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1:02 PM
@KonradRudolph Hilarious.
 
Xeo
@KonradRudolph we need a bigger cluestick
 
this is quite interesting
 
PIZZA
 
SUSHI
 
Xeo
NOTHING
 
1:17 PM
i hate listening to people talk about programming. don't know why
 
It's usually boring, that's probably why
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz looks cute with such small and localized changes, but how did that go? 'ask, don't guess'?
 
Beh, I've used darcs, I don't miss it
Also this is literally branches
 
1:37 PM
"talented filmmakers"
Also, why the fuck is that an image.
Talented web developers as well.
 
dreaweaver developers
 
Apparently thet promote the education of people of all ages but not the education of people with disabilities.
Everything in that page is a fucking picture.
 
user1804599
I just wrote my first Befunge programme.
 
I bet it uses tables.
Check.
 
yes
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes wow
 
@Xeo yep. The whole "this change doesn't depend on the other" rarely holds in practice
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/et/ey/
 
@Jefffrey You mean apart from the fact that it cannot have a type mismatch error, it cannot accidentally use > instead of < (or use < on iterators which don’t support it), it cannot use the wrong ++ operator, etc. … Granted, these are all just very small problems. But the other version has none of them.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bootstrapping for what?
 
1:46 PM
@KonradRudolph just what the fuck
 
@KonradRudolph Benchmarks, probably
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dude. it uses tables to structure images of the page
that's like whole another fucking level of bad
 
@KonradRudolph The statistics kind.
 
@CatPlusPlus How do you do bootstrapping of benchmarks? Bootstrapping is a subsampling process. What’s your sample?
Ah, I remember we did talk about statistics libraries for C++ once. Long ago.
 
Xeo
statistics for benchmarking
 
1:50 PM
@KonradRudolph we all have written them so many times that the forms for (int i = X; i < Y; ++i) and for (auto it = X; it != Y; ++it) appear in our nightmares
 
@Jefffrey That's a great argument.
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey doesn't matter
 
lol, at the syntax error in the second one btw
 
@BartoszKP tl;dr
 
@Xeo I still don’t see what you want to subsample there :p
 
Xeo
1:51 PM
p(fucking up) > 0 with traditional for loops
 
@KonradRudolph Execution times.
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey also, I guess you like explicit for-loops over algorithms? :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure but why do you want to subsample? What do you gain compared to taking the whole sample? Do you want to estimate the influence of outliers?
 
@Xeo nope :)
also:
2 hours ago, by Jefffrey
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was wrong then.
 
1:55 PM
Okay, that actually makes sense :) I didn’t see it at first
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When you use asio, do you ever worry about limiting the amount of queued completion handlers for a service?
(I'm thinking of CPU intensive processing of data that is streaming in concurrently. I'm worried that if IO is fast enough, the io_service may be 'overwhelmed' with pending jobs)
I haven't found an obvious queue depth limit in the docs.
 
@sehe No. Though our jobs are usually short-lived, and I/O comes from the network at semi-regular intervals.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit worth it!
 
Okay. Do you know whether there is any such control? In which we can elect to 'wait' for queue to get headroom?
 
2:00 PM
@sehe Hmm, no, I don't think io_service has anything like that.
 
Tanner Sansbury seems to be the local Asio guru. stackoverflow.com/a/11760443/85371 is much better already
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So that’s awesome but compiling this manually yields lots of warnings about implicit conversions, and the linker complains about unfound symbols …
 
@KonradRudolph I compile with all warnings on :S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes … and clang++ as diverse errors. I’m doing something very wrong here. Ignore me.
 
(Well, not really all, but all that are interesting)
What do you mean manually, btw?
 
2:05 PM
g++ examples/example1.c++ …
 
Oh.
@KonradRudolph Use ninja.
But it seems I lost -pedantic somewhere.
Dammit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That’s exactly what I wanted to avoid since I haven’t installed that
 
@KonradRudolph Run the bootstrap.py and steal the command-line from build.ninja :P
 
Well it's your fault if you want to bypass the build system
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes oops
 
2:07 PM
anyway, your ninja build script doesn’t honour the $CXX environment variable
 
@BartoszKP thanks that's a good reading
 
@KonradRudolph It's not meant to.
 
that’s a shame
 
$ ./bootstrap.py --cxx=whatever
 
@KonradRudolph, happy?
 
Xeo
2:09 PM
boost::irange
(no boost::orange)
 
nice
2 hours ago, by Abyx
> Telling a programmer there's already a library to do X is like telling a songwriter that there's already a song about love.
 
> ☞ Beauty is free.
lol
 
dan
@Jefffrey nice
 
@dan you may want to star the original message rather than the repost
it's on the star board already
 
2:17 PM
@KonradRudolph Ah, I see now.
 
@Jefffrey this
 
@sehe That was actually a pretty surprising, and important revelation for me
Without this, the code wouldn’t be usable in practice
 
It's a recurring theme! Compilers inline, then optimize
 
@sehe Sure. I thought that in theory the compiler should do this. But it actually does. That’s very very nice
 
First Look: Barneys Spring Campaign Features 17 Breathtaking Trans Models (I guess @DeadMG will hate this, since he has a problem with people talking about transgenders)
 
2:20 PM
@KonradRudolph I've seen it so many many many times. I've come to rely on it. And if I'm disappointed, I frequently stick with the elegant code and wait for the compiler to catch up :/
 
hehe
good strategy actually
 
In fact, using Spirit requires this belief. Because, if it didn't thoroughly work this way, using anything Proto (or even Mpl) based would be complete insanity
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey not really.
 
@KonradRudolph Fixed I think. The linker errors should only be there for MSVC, because I cannot use <chrono> there, and Boost.Chrono is not header-only.
 
@sehe Believe in the Spirit and ye shall be saved?
 
2:21 PM
On not-MSVC it's header-only.
 
2 hours ago, by Jefffrey
@Abyx Best quote of 2014, but seriously... use preexisting libraries.
I know how you feel about DRY applied to libraries
I know you rightfold
You are an open book to me.
In fact I'm watching you right now.
Nice slippers
2
 
haha <3
@Jefffrey maybe an owner can just invalidate that star, cos it's ugly /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, that would be great
 
@Jefffrey Leuk slipje
 
2:31 PM
thanks
 
purple panties
 
hosiery up to here
 
Hmm.
ar --version?
My ar doesn't mind creating empty archives.
 
same error message
 
2:37 PM
I guess I should remove that.
 
i.e. --version is not a recognised command
 
@KonradRudolph Wait, what?
 
I’m on OS X in case it matters …
 
ar -v?
Something?
 
so it’s probably BSD not GNU
same
 
2:37 PM
@KonradRudolph Yeah.
I'll remove that step from the build if no objects, then.
Wait.
No, that won't be enough either.
BSD ar is completely different.
Well, it will be enough since you won't build on Windows with BSD ar.
Works for me.
 
WTF css
 
I'd like to see a PNGA vs GIF
 
SAM
Good evening everybody..!!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I object!
 
2:43 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix What do you mean? Like one that only a third of people can see the non-GIF half :P
 
@KonradRudolph I'm pretty sure they weren't trying to make some sort of provable logical deduction. It's an amusing video for amusement's sake.
Not everything in the entire world has to be about maths and formalism
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't know, pnga are almost non existent but they are still 1 thousand time better than gif if you need transparency
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Only FF and Opera support them out of the box, though.
 
chrome doesn't?
 
Uh
Everything supports PNG transparency
 
2:46 PM
@CatPlusPlus animated png
 
That's called MNG
PNGA is not a thing I've ever heard about
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes eh?
 
Nobody uses MNG
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not it.
 
2:47 PM
(I know, that's not a good benchmark)
 
@Abyx uncle bob's reply if you're interested ; ) but not equally interesting (didn't read the whole thing though)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes PNG transparency support is not PNGA?
 
Does this bounce?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see it bouncing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, you're talking about APNG. No, it doesn't.
 
SAM
2:48 PM
yup.. pretty good..
 
I meant APNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG
 
Sorry FF folks. In my defense, it wasn't an animated GIF :P.
 
> APNG competes with Multiple-image Network Graphics (MNG), a comprehensive format for bitmapped animations created by the same team as PNG. APNG's advantage is the smaller library size and compatibility with older PNG implementations.
 
It was bouncing in FF but not in Chrome.
 
Oh hey, yet another animated PNG thing nobody cares about
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit (And btw, "more Chrome versions" are very misleading words: Firefox 2.0 predates the first Chrome by two years)
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh hey, yet another disparaging comment that nobody wants to read
3 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
(I know, that's not a good benchmark)
 
blah blah
 
SAM
he he he
 
2:56 PM
she she she
 
SAM
^ ha ha I read it sehe by mistake...
 
SAM
wut?
 

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