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19:00
For a drunk-like game , or something.
we could create a chat room on serverfault.com nobody ever comes there
We could actually make lounge<chat> but with a different language... one that most of the people here actually know?
There too instead of server fault : chat.stackexchange.com
@rightfold the casual chat in the fp room might draw some attention to it
user1804599
@JohanLarsson What do you mean?
19:03
Language is not an issue
user1804599
@Jefffrey PHP.
With C# there were 3 people willing to contribute at the end.
@rightfold I think the rooms are sorted by activity so maybe more people see it if the wpf guys chat away there.
well
What language would you like to use
19:05
frankly I wouldn't expect any Lounge project to really succeed
C++? :lol:
and I don't see why Lounge<Chat> would be any different
python maybe
user1804599
@JohanLarsson I do not mind.
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Scala or Clojure.
19:05
just because you all get so butthurt about ruby
user1804599
But yeah it will never get finished anyway.
python and you'll get rushed with numpy/django questions
user1804599
@Jefffrey I do not.
I know dear ;)
I thought you were already doing Lounge<Chat> in C#?
user1804599
19:06
Write it in Styx.
@Jefffrey I'd be willing to contribute in C# but no one would accept my pulls :D
Xeo
Xeo
@melak47 X# sounds good
@Jefffrey That'll be the case regardless of language IMO
Lounge<Subjective-C>
Yeah, well. If people just keep this "the lounge will never succeed" behavior going, no shit things will never get done.
19:08
cout.setf(ios::left);
		cout.width(20);
		cout << symbol;
		cout << " ";
		cout.setf(ios::left);
		cout.width(20);
		cout << description;
		cout << " ";
		cout.setf(ios::right);
		cout.width(7);
		cout.precision(3);
		cout << weight;
why isnt the precision showing
weight = 18.015
Because it's too fat
We get it! Being a passive nihilist that just spits "will fail" out of his mouth, is easy.
Let's just have a little bit of faith, shall we?
faith? Are you religious or something?
can anyone give me a reasonable answer
19:09
@Hellovart That code blurb is the most concise argument I've ever seen for why iostreams sucks
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix hint: faith is not a religious term (and no, I'm not religious)
@Jefffrey There's not much objective reason to.
im sure it does, but im trying to follow a format for an assignment
the reality is the Lounge isn't a very cohesive group.
I'm not very interested in working on software for the sake of working on software
19:10
@Hellovart Good luck with it :)
@Hellovart If you want any kind of help, it wouldn't hurt to provide the output that you're getting that you don't like.
@jalf iostreams arent that bad. That code just shouldn't be on a bajillion lines for no reason.
And nobody. will. switch
@CatPlusPlus and for the sake of moving the fuck away from here?
It just won't happen
19:10
ill take a screenshot
pleasegodno
@DeadMG Hmm. That might be true.
Try asking on SO?
@jalf oh god, what have I done
every one of us has his own style and preferences.
and there's not a huge force pushing us together to overcome that.
like a nucleus but without the strong nuclear force.
19:11
Uh that's not a problem
Molecular Information
=====================
Number of Molecules : 1
Enter structure : H2O
Enter full name : Water
Enter weight : 18.015

Structure Name Mass
==================================================
H2O Water 18
damnit!
Unless you really want to sperg about code style instead of doing shit I guess
ignore that
@SamDeHaan Lounge access revoked :P
@CatPlusPlus Nobody really does anything else.
I mean, it's pretty rare to see Loungers co-operating on existing projects, so why would they co-operate on new projects?
Xeo
Xeo
19:12
@Hellovart you can delete messages up to 2 minutes after the fact
Molecular Information
=====================
Number of Molecules : 1
Enter structure : H2O
Enter full name : Water
Enter weight    : 18.015

Structure+++++Name+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Mass
==================================================
H2O++++++++Water+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++18
ignore the pluses
damnit mass is supposed to be aligned
I'm ignoring you
good for you
@DeadMG because the project is as meta as it can get
@CatPlusPlus who are you ignoring?
19:13
Is it against current lounge policy to ask that this is taken to SO?
Xeo
Xeo
what are you even trying? there's a sandbox
@Hellovart precision includes the bits left of the decimal. That should help.
oh, i thought it was right
Valuable contributions are raking up already
I love new policy
how do i show three decimal places then
Xeo
Xeo
19:15
why did you guys agree on taking away the no-helpdesk tag?
there's no need for the mass sarcasm (I don't even know what new policy is)
I don't care anymore
@DeadMG ignore everything you don't like I think
then why did you feel the need for a giant "OH MY GOD NEW POLICY SO BAD" in everyone's face?
@DeadMG as far as I know new policy includes no instabin
19:16
@Jefffrey that is the dumbest thing I ever heard
@Hellovart You'll find it a lot quicker with google than you will in here. Just search for uses of setprecision and it'll be quick.
@jalf you don't hear a lot of things, do you?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'll find it out from someone I actually know/trust, like xeo or robot
@Jefffrey Guess again
So this room is now the official help channel for full-screen code dumps and lazy newbies, I guess?
Xeo
Xeo
no thank you
19:17
dunno, I wasn't here
@jalf You like going down slippery slopes, I see.
You need to be ~~nice~~
@EtiennedeMartel Yup, it's the best!
@jalf only for about 4-6 hours until everyone decides it's time to switch the policy to gallery.
@CatPlusPlus Which is also a useful thing to do in real life.
Xeo
Xeo
19:18
@SamDeHaan tried that experiment, failed
@Xeo And then 10-15 hours after that it will be back to normal instabinning.
Anything ever succeded?
@EtiennedeMartel but not having to deal with all the world's problems is also a useful thing to do in real life
new people are the base of the next lounge generation
we need fresh people
19:18
@jalf What is your point, exactly, and should I get my sarcasm-o-meter up and running?
What for?
4
Q: Treating a single object like an array with one element, taking one-past-end pointer

John DiblingPreamble: It is well-known that taking the pointer one past the end of an array is legal and well-defined: int main() { int na [1] = {}; const int* naBegin = na; const int* naEnd = na + 1; // one-past-end, OK } This pointer can be used in comparisons, which contributes to C-style arra...

@Jefffrey I'm not here to create some everlasting legacy :p
Because I remember you as a serious kind of guy, so I can't really tell if you're just faffing about.
this was actually a fun Q, I had forgotten that it is possible to iterate over an object
19:19
@jalf but complaining about the new generation is fun
@EtiennedeMartel My point is that I know a perfectly good place to go when I feel like answering programming questions, and I've actually done that quite a lot. And I kind of appreciated this place being somewhere I can relax and not have to look at an endless stream of newbie questions.
@Hellovart Who the fuck are you?
@jalf I don't really see how the new policy will suddenly attract newbie questions.
A C++ programmer?
just curious, is it possible to define non-member begin() / end() on single objects?
19:20
@EtiennedeMartel "were you" (considering the number of red flags) FTFY
Xeo
Xeo
@TemplateRex sure?
@TemplateRex I doubt so
@Xeo apart from the builtins, right?
@EtiennedeMartel It doesn't need to. It just has to stop turning the ones away that are attracted anyway
@Hellovart when you'll be a programmer you won't come here asking these kind of questions. You're a student.
19:21
@jalf As I said, you seem to like slippery slopes.
@TemplateRex what do you even mean with "single object"
Xeo
Xeo
@TemplateRex even then. or do you want those to be automatically picked up for range-for?
@EtiennedeMartel I guess it's my turn to ask what you mean then :p
@Xeo to clarify: such that for (auto&& e : x) would make sense
Xeo
Xeo
no
19:21
That's what I meant, a student
@Jefffrey objects that are not in significant relationships
@jalf You're predicting some sort of weird doomsday scenario.
Sucks to be you
but for UDT, it can, right?
@SamDeHaan nice
19:22
Actually, I think "FUD" is appropriate here.
Woah a flag.
but are you implying I have to know everything about c++ in order to be a c++ programmer?
Anyway, I'm not saying we have to insult and troll people when turning them away, simply that I've kind of appreciated the policy that "if you want questions answered, go to SO, rather than posting them here"
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What happened?
Xeo
Xeo
@TemplateRex if you declare it in the right namespace
19:22
@jalf I don't think that has changed.
@EtiennedeMartel How so?
@Xeo yeah, OK, just confirmed my hunch.
@EtiennedeMartel So where did the no-questions/no-helpdesk tags go?
Xeo
Xeo
@TemplateRex In C++11, std was an associated namespace for range-for lookup, but that changed
@jalf They were removed because the rules never said you couldn't ask questions.
19:23
@Hellovart It's a lofty claim if you had issues googling how to set precision in an iostream.
@Xeo when I saw that posted Q, I thought impossible, but that was based on some old interview with Stepanov where he lamented about not having defined global begin() / end() for all objects
Xeo
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel I'm still all for
I could care less about the formatting of output
@EtiennedeMartel end result: the main indication we had that "this is probably not where you should ask your question" is gone
Anyway good night I'm off to bed
19:23
that isnt what programming is about
@Mysticial For the lowly peasants like me, what got flagged?
@jalf People still asked questions anyway.
@Hellovart you could?
@Borgleader The help vampire.
@Hellovart programming is about everything
19:24
@EtiennedeMartel And then they were told to go away, sure
it's a bit harder to turn people away when we don't actually advertise the fact that "we are not here to answer questions"
@CatPlusPlus lol
Xeo
Xeo
so, can haz back? I mean, I think we all agree that we are not SO proper, right?
@jalf Well, I like answering questions.
19:26
@EtiennedeMartel So do I. How do you think I got 133k rep?
Xeo
Xeo
cheating
But I also like choosing when to answer questions, and I like not having questions thrown in my face unless I'm in a question-answering mood
iunno, I'm still going to bin people who just post their questions from SO here.
don't really care
I'm simply not hanging out here to get an opportunity to answer questions
@Xeo agree
19:27
@DeadMG Only the one running the game needs to know them.
I have a suggestion: If someone comes in here with a question and someone is willing to answer said question, they can take them aside to a 1-1 channel and do so. If no one is willing to answer, we kindly turn said newcomer away. If and only if at this point said newcomer is being a dick about it, binning may begin.
How does that sound?
It's not like there are a lot of rules to know anyway.
the lounge is anarchy anyway
@Jefffrey well, apparently not :p
My policy is to make fun of everyone and everything
19:29
@jalf meritocracy? for some weird meaning of "merit"?
god I'm so tired I don't know why
user1804599
Because you do not take enough drugs.
Everything is a meritocracy for varying definitions of "merit".
@Rapptz I can't bin so I plonk xD
same result really
Anyway, what I'm getting at is I have no desire to insult, troll or otherwise offend people who come here to ask questions, but I totally don't want to see their questions here either, and I don't want them to distract from the, well, lounging :P
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19:31
@CatPlusPlus Cats do nothing but sleep. This is not surprising.
@jalf I don't understand it to be honest. I thought this was everyone's opinion on the matter aside from maybe Puppy and Abyx.
@Rapptz well, don't ask me. I wasnt there for your big discussion. But I get the impression that it has been overruled
I'm just stating what I want. :)
I wasn't here for the discussion either
Kinda lame we have to discuss this every 4 months or so.
> an inflatable hover-fort
Ell
Ell
Anyone here know anything about VST instruments?
19:41
I just got my TOEFL scores back ;_;
One hundred fucking eight baby ;_;
Xeo
Xeo
that sounds like some kind of candy
@MohammadAliBaydoun gz
@Ell Anything? Yes. Much? No.
@jalf For questions that aren't about C++ we can just send them there. (I kinda do that already.) But a good chunk of the linkdumpers here do actually see the C++ in the name... :(
Ell
Ell
@JerryCoffin Do you happen to know if the only way to input into a vst instrument is via midi? :)
19:46
@MohammadAliBaydoun I'm guessing congrats, but not familiar with that test.
@Ell no, not really. The only ones I ever looked at were purely MIDI, but I don't remember if anything else is possible. That said, given their general structure, I'm not sure how a VST work deal with anything that wasn't at least a lot like MIDI.
@MohammadAliBaydoun TOEFL? Devil?
@Ell I know about as much as the wikipedia page I just looked at. you looked at it already right?
@sehe Test Of English as a Foreign Language.
Ell
Ell
@doug65536 yah
19:52
Thank you ;.;
@sehe löl

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