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3:00 PM
@Jefffrey I helped a friend doing some project with Coq for his master's, but that was it. I don't really know much about either.
Ok, so a test that took 593ms before now takes wtf-it-has-been-running-for-ten-minutes-fuck-this-shit-ctrl-c.
 
> 3 games for: $0.00
you save: $29.97
click
> 500 Internal Server Error
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Infinite loops are rather slow :<
I need better hardware.
 
like what hardware
 
@BartekBanachewicz sounds like my HTTP server for school
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
3:10 PM
also @R.MartinhoFernandes I am not sure how my GPU will handle 3rd screen :/
 
@BartekBanachewicz What is it?
 
I've just seen sbi post a question yet I haven't seen him around here, what up with ape?
 
(Don't say Intel, ffs)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes GTX670
 
That supports 4.
 
3:13 PM
it's not about how many I can plug in
it's about thrice as many pixels
> 2GB of a GTX670 will not pose much of a problem for SP BF3 at 3x1920x1080/1200 according to these reviews. It is still playable, especially if you turn down AA and use High instead of Ultra:-
 
@BartekBanachewicz "Trice" means a short period of time. Three times would be "thrice"
 
@JerryCoffin oh, okay
 
the thing is, when you have two monitors of res. X and you add one new monitor of resultion X (which is a sane thing to do), you'll not end up with thrice as many pixels
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, that.
Oh, that.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I am not gaming on two screens. I only use the 2nd one when coding now
NVidia doesn't allow you to turn Surround on with 2 screens
 
3:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You will add only 1/2 of what you currently have?
 
Xeo
@ScarletAmaranth I have no clue wtf the problem with his code is - way too little information :/
 
so bartek, why does Verlet Integration look so... bouncy/wavy? Is that why it's used for ripples on water?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wow, really?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep
@Crowz inherent properties? I guess the question you've asked isn't very precise
 
@Xeo I was wondering why he's not hanging out here in the lounge
 
3:21 PM
you are getting segmentation fault ! have proper null check — Kaustav Ray 18 mins ago
Yeah that's a good way to fix an algorithm
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nvidia forums have a year-long still-going butthurt thread about that
 
@BartekBanachewicz like, if you drop a ton of items it kind of looks like they continue to move after they should be settled. Is there a way to reduce it?
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh, so you mean that, you can play on 1 now, because it won't let you play on 2 and adding an extra monitor will result in 1 -> 3 increase (thrice as many pixels :D?)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: please refrain from claims like "bold claims". Previously when I was on SO I had you, and you only, killfiled, but that worked only in chat. :( I hope you're better now, but this does NOT look promising. Anyway, it takes some time to google up references. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 2 mins ago
 
Alf I haven't seen recently either
 
3:22 PM
Needed to be the quote.
Not the ugly photograph.
 
Xeo
@ScarletAmaranth He hasn't been here since forever
also, wtf, I understand neither sbi's question nor Dietmar's answer
 
Xeo
They make no sense
I must be missing something
 
I understand both, but there are pieces missing in both.
 
@Xeo Rep laundering! :)
 
3:24 PM
Dunno what went in both their heads.
 
Xeo
I also can't repro the problem, even using tr1 and -std=c++03
 
Ah, they provided everything now.
 
Xeo
oh lol
 
@Xeo Old bug, maybe.
 
@rubenvb hahaha
cunt
 
user3010322
3:27 PM
Oh wow, the VC++ team actually solved my issue.
 
user3010322
And they've "checked in a fix to the sources"
 
user3010322
Guess it'll be part of the next CTP.
 
user3010322
 
@ThePhD How is your jaw feeling?
 
@ThePhD IOW if you were a serious business, you would have to pay for the fix because the "go-live" release that includes that fix is not free.
 
user3010322
3:28 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Not too bad. Surprisingly I didn't have to suck a lot of dicks. I just had to scream "HOLY SHIT HERPES!" when I got my mouth on the first one.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess
 
I need a decent, reliable SSD. Budget is $225. Suggestions? :V
 
Don't let the Cat hear you. Don't let Bartek hear you either.
 
user3010322
You should wait for a sale, as they're a bit expensive.
 
> Dave - Do listen to Victor, I neither had seen this in production not Victor's code. And I know Victor for quite some time now (Vitya is it 25 or 30 years in total is the duration of our acquaintance and bestfriendship?). (#lolrussians)
 
user3010322
3:32 PM
Oh. @EtiennedeMartel I don't mean to be a pestering, nagging asshole, but how long do turnarounds for interviews usually take?
 
@ThePhD Roughly 10 to 12 years.
 
user3010322
Ah.
 
user3010322
Guess I'd better sac up.
 
> help me solve this coding... it keeps said got errors :-
>
> it said fwrite [there got problems](http://stackoverflow.com/q/20546969/560648)..
 
3:33 PM
there be problems, mon
 
whut markdown whut
 
user3010322
http://
 
well, whatever
 
Xeo
3:34 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh gawd
 
hmmm, Murkdown sucks
 
Probably due to multiline
 
user3010322
Murikadown.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Markdown does not like multiline
 
13 secs ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
Probably due to multiline
 
3:35 PM
I can

*confirm*
 
Xeo
(user 0 : 100 multiline markdown)
Also, ugh, all the answers to that increadibly bad question...
 
It's kind of a problem to ask a good question if you don't speak English any well :)
 
Xeo
I'm not talking about the English (although I'm cringing at that aswell)
 
> this coding
That makes me sad.
 
" help me solve this coding... it keeps said got errors :- "
I think google translate would do better
(even from Mongolian)
 
3:43 PM
Why Mongolian?
 
I made a new blog :)
 
@GamesBrainiac how many's that now?
 
I just have 1 :P
 
oh man, I feel high
 
Did you smoke a joint?
 
3:44 PM
@Xeo I also cringe at using English, but I don't know anything better for the job.
 
That might explain it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Rumor has it...
 
nah, it's just 5 days that I sleep 3-4 hours a night and I'm particularly sleepy
 
If you declare a move ctor, does MSVC still generate a copy ctor?
 
If I close my eyes, my head start spinning around
inb4 keep it still
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think they got that part right.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes It excludes the copy ctor, IIRC.
 
user3010322
You have to explicitly declare it.
 
user3010322
Which is all kinds of LULZ <___>
 
meh, you can already do =default; if you want it
 
3:48 PM
@Xeo Hmmm, GCC is complaining of an attempt to copy a move-only type, but MSVC compiles this.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit eh
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Err, it's the right behaviour.
@R.MartinhoFernandes snippet?
 
Movie Maker takes so long to make videos :\
 
@Xeo I'm investigating. There's other stuff at work, but I wanted to get this possibility out of the way.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What do you work on in work?
 
3:50 PM
@Jefffrey ;p
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay nvm, 2012CTP still seems to do it
 
I connect to people's heads in order to engage visionary infomediaries.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes facepalm
 
Nah, that's just random bullshit. (courtesy of dack.com/web/bullshit.html)
@ScarletAmaranth I write software for collecting, visualising, and analysing brain activity data.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes rise4fun.com/Vcpp/E8YI :(
 
3:52 PM
which header is incorrect?? sir??could you please help me?? — ApipNate 6 mins ago
-.-
 
Xeo
The "Sir" returns
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's pretty cool :)
 
@MartinJames Didn't know you were a poet.
 
We also make the hardware, but we have other folks specialised in that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes can haz company link?
 
3:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you serious? can we see some "visualizations"?
 
@ScarletAmaranth We don't have a website yet :S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o_O
 
@Jefffrey It's usually just a bunch of sine waves.
 
oh
 
There's also this, but that's mostly for show.
 
3:56 PM
sounds fun
 
Sum is a type something to instantiate int as a .
Monoid right?
 
Wgat
Is that Engish?
 
Have you been drinking?
 
Well monoid is a typeclass
And integer has two operarations and identities as candidates for it
 
4:00 PM
Come on
 
I'm fine here, thanks
 
-- | Monoid under addition.
newtype Sum a = Sum { getSum :: a }
deriving (Eq, Ord, Read, Show, Bounded)

instance Num a => Monoid (Sum a) where
mempty = Sum 0
Sum x `mappend` Sum y = Sum (x + y)
Dang you had to find it on the phone
 
I still don't understand what that first message means.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't understand why you're still attempting to
 
@Jefffrey what do you know about namespace practices?
 
4:06 PM
> Japanese characters show as squares/Unicode on my system
 
@Pawnguy7 what about them?
 
"squares/Unicode" lol
 
@Jefffrey Was wondering if you had them, as I have never really used the
 
@R.m I was thinking about monads as monoids in endofunctots
 
Xeo
I broke him! \o/
 
4:09 PM
@Pawnguy7 the only convention I follow is: always use namespaces (never use the global namespace, except for main) and use unnamed namespaces or namespace detail for implementation functions/classes.
Oh, and of course never import namespaces in header files
Apparently I live by absolutes.
 
1. Don't use the global namespace. The *only* exception is `main()` because C++.
2. Pick a namespace, make it yours. Repeat after me 'This is my namespace. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My namespace is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.'
3. Put *everything* inside your namespace.
4. Use subnamespaces as appropriate. Put implementation details in a `detail` subnamespace.
 
@Pawnguy7 You don't need namespace practice. They're not that hard to use.
 
@R. Martinho Fernandes — user1656850 29 secs ago
Best comment reply ever.
 
:D
He replied in boxes/unicode
 
shit, he fixed it
 
4:15 PM
Yeah, but I captured it here for all eternity.
Muahahahahahha
 
Ell
Boy I've had a sucky day
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Except comments are stored as URLs, right? Those are just oneboxes, essentially? So barring caching, in the transcript, that would not be captured for all eternity? Or is barring caching silly because caching lasts forever in chat?
 
How are you defining implementation details?
 
@Pawnguy7 Everything the public need never know.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oneboxes are magically kept forever, AFAIK.
 
Ell
4:18 PM
Stuff not visible to the user of the library
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok
 
Maybe they store both the source and the parsed HTML.
Not maybe. For sure.
 
Is it implementation of anything, or just of unseen interfaces?
 
zch
What is source when you try to edit?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit When they fix a rendering bug (I know that sounds like it never happens, but I saw it once!), they have to manually trigger re-render of specific messages or they'll stay as they were forever. (And they don't do that because is kinda unimportant)
 
zch
4:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes
 
To 'Motorbiking', Chris Spedding:
Hibernating... hibernating...hibernating...no more waiting,
Loading from my solid state disk moving' like a streak o'lightning,
If you gotta sleep, sleep, gotta sleep WinHibernating,
Listen to me an I'll tell you no lie,
To slow to work, too quick to die,
I bought a new OS today, I say..
aaaggghhh...it blow your work away!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wrong person?
 
@Pawnguy7 Yeah, sorry.
@zch Source is as I put it there, but empirical evidence shows that they store both source and rendered output in the DB.
6
A: Markdown borks URLs with port numbers

Marc GravellAll fixed for future usage. Existing links may show using the old handling, and I don't propose refreshing them all.

^ Evidence.
 
zch
I've seen one forum software was rendering text on submit and then derendering on quoting/editing.
I mean converting from some [code] -> <html> and back
 
zch
4:26 PM
Yeah, it was in PHP.
 
Btw, can this move to superuser? stackoverflow.com/q/20548311/46642
 
user3010322
> Thanks Martinho
 
user3010322
 
Does facebook let people like their own posts now?
 
@Pawnguy7 It has done for about five years
 
4:41 PM
Oh.
Why?
 
user3010322
Shaders be hard.
 
user1804599
What a beautiful day.
 
user3010322
Wat. @_@
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I saw that!
 
user3010322
You can't hide, what's inside.
 
4:42 PM
What if I do this?
 
user3010322
Damnit.
 
@zch What was what? whistles
 
zch
The message you edited and removed.
 
2 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I didn't say that.
There's nothing!
> How do I increase my phone intelligibility?
Greatest question titles.
That's from ham.se
Yes, there's a ham.se.
 
zch
ham?
New narrowed food site?
 
4:46 PM
gynecology.se
 
Wow, 90% of the questions are from the same guy
 
zch
Why is it ham?
 
Why can't we have a worlddomination.se :<
I need tips from the pros~
 
@zch 'cos all the questions are cheesy.
 
zch
4:48 PM
@MartinJames Doesn't that apply to all stackexchange?
 
Ham is an informal term for an amateur radio operator, and, by extension, "ham radio" refers to amateur radio in general. This use of the word first appeared in the United States during the opening decade of the 20th century—for example, in 1909, Robert A. Morton reported overhearing an amateur radio transmission which included the comment: "Say, do you know the fellow who is putting up a new station out your way? I think he is a ham." However, the term did not gain widespread usage in the United States until around 1920, after which it slowly spread to other English-speaking countr...
 
..and if you try and answer, you'll end up with egg on your face.
 
@zch Tradition.
Ooooh, better.
 
Xeo
Interesting read. /cc @BartekBanachewicz
 
I gave up with ham radio when it was forbidden to communicate any digital data except morse. Even slow modems or other modulation techniques that used no more bandwidth than low-quality speech were not allowed. If they were, we'd probably have had mobile phones a lot earlier.
 
4:55 PM
@MartinJames That was forbidden?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup - silly restraint.
 
Steganography to the rescue! ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had to look that up. I thought it was mapping dinosaur populations.
 
zch
Spy agencies didn't have enough budget at a time to decode everything :)
 
hehe
@zch Steganography is not so much about encoding but more about concealing.
An encoded message transmitted in the clear raises curiosity.
 
user1804599
4:57 PM
Ugh, wtf.
 
user1804599
Doubleclicking the upper-left corner in Chrome window in Windows closes it. :|
 
A message hidden with steganography in a normal message doesn't, unless the spy is actively expecting something to be hidden there.
 
zch
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does it really work? It seems you would have to change your methods all the time.
 
It's very difficult to conceal anything with only a 1.5KHz bandwidth, (if you're lucky).
 
Yeah, ham radio conditions do make it hard.
@zch Hmm, only if someone notices that there's more to it than a regular message being transmitted.
 
zch
5:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes But you can never know if adversary noticed or not.
 
@zch That goes for everything but quantum cryptography. (because observing a quantum stream has noticeable side-effects)
You can still encrypt the hidden message, mind you.
 
zch
The main problem is that you can never know if your steganography is any good.
In encryption you can use well-known algorithms, which you can trust more.
 
You can do both.
They really have different purposes. You cannot use encryption to circumvent crypto-bans, for example.
 
zch
Of course.
 
Ell
You could conceal an encrypted message
 
zch
5:10 PM
But I'm not sure if you can use steganography reliably.
 
Reliability of the concealment, or of the survivability of the message?
 
zch
@R.MartinhoFernandes concealment.
but if survivability approaches 0 than method is also not good at all.
 
But it will be secure
 
@zch Well, it depends on the resources and knowledge of your adversary. You can use huge carriers like the Internet that are quite hard to perform analysis on.
Hide messages in encrypted carriers!
Will they stop looking once they broke it?
 
I've resorted to the injection of Lua scripts to design modular game actors
Stuff like XP, Life and the like
Actors become composable objects instead of static chunks of data
I don't know the best way to describe this whole thing. My vocabulary is rather limited under the Ballmer Peak~
 
Ell
5:26 PM
Sounds like buzzwords :P
 
It's analogous to that Entity Component System someone was talking about :V
Except it actually solves a problem here
 
Ell
Entity component system :S
 
If I was writing a game directly, I could avoid it completely
But I'm not.
 
Ell
What are you writing? O.o
 
An engine
It's rather generic
I take advantage of Lua for game-specific things
 
5:31 PM
@ThePhD gah. I spent more or less all day writing a custom merge algorithm and debugging the same :) In the good old spirit of coding. But now the same run of yesterday completed in 55 minutes. And I'm running a larger one.
 
Ell
Is it on github?
 
@Ell It's not :/
 
user3010322
@sehe YEEAAH!
 
user3010322
Roll your own~~~
 
I'm making the whole thing open source under the MIT license in the future however.
 
Ell
5:33 PM
Are you making a game with it?
 
I'll make my raytracing engine open source one day, except for right now I am ashamed of some things I've done while transitioning from CPU-only to GPGPU with AMP :)
 
But I don't want that to lead me to write an engine that's very specific to the game itself :/
 
Stop being a pussy
8
 
5:35 PM
also it doesn't help that i have ~6k lines of code in headers only, I started with it for simplicity, ended up sticking with the project, haven't found the time / will to actually redo it properly ^^
 
I can't wait for college.
First two years should be easy
Not sure about the later ones
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun You won't be saying that when you actually get there ;)
 
it's kinda ironic that I don't practice what I preach
 
Going home now.
 
that photo, robot!
 
5:45 PM
And because of all the boring shit they make you do
 
@Borgleader only because of that actually
"write this code" - 2hours
"make 14 diagrams and 50 pages of documentation for it" - 2 weeks
 
@ScottW Thats kind of me too actually
 
"documentation needs to have the following format: WORD DOCUMENT o_O"
what is this format you assholes
it's ok, they will teach me nothing but I do get:

a) Access to IEEE, Springer and similar research papers
b) Access to MSDNAA (Windows, VS mostly)
c) A lot of free launch money
d) A lot of free time (much more than I'd have if I were employed full time)
 
I'm the one that is alone in having had a good experience.
Or maybe I just remember the good stuff better.
Most of my annoyances were at a meta level. Burocracy and shit.
 
Well, my uni wants me to memorize stuff rather than understand stuff.
So they can go suck a massive one.
 
5:53 PM
Fuck French
 
Oh, statistics. Those were terrible classes.
Something im trying to fix now.
 
It's funny.
I have a French midterm tomorrow.
Instead of studying for it, I'm learning Japanese via Rosetta Stone
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had a good time at Uni, but the Beaureaucracy killed me utterly, especially during my first year.
 
user3010322
That shit hit me right in the heart.
 
5:57 PM
Japanese seems like a much cooler language to speak~
 
user3010322
Especially when certain admins by themselves would completely own up to and admit that there was no reason for it.
 
French is nonetheless sexy~
 
user3010322
French is faggoty.
 
What do you mean 'admins'
 
~Consider me a faggot then~
 
user3010322
5:58 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun Oh bby.
 
I was talking about things like enrollment paperwork and getting my equivalences right and shit.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes :13490128 Administrators. The Bullshit HR equivalent of schools: counselors, secretaries -- they did a lot of cock blocking for no good reason. Then when you actually make it to things like department heads... holy crap, they made me jump hoops.
 
user3010322
I remember when they lost my entire transcript, SAT scores, and AP scores. ANd gave me a bummed out, bogus schedule to start the year with.
 
user3010322
I had to spend a month fixing my schedule Because they lost my shit 3 times in a row.
 

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