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19:01
@EtiennedeMartel I never said he was
@EtiennedeMartel That looks more like a statement than a question.
@JerryCoffin Actually, it's because I asked several trick questions before stating "trick question".
@Borgleader I'm just messing with ya.
hmm
does anyone here like Gratuitous Space Battles?
@DeadMG I have it on Steam but haven't played it yet.
^ Same
19:04
yeah
I actually found it to be kinda crappy.
and I was surprised cause I heard it was good
so I wanted to see what other people thought about it
@DeadMG Played a bit. I like the concept, but it lacks content.
Got bored with it way too quickly.
@EtiennedeMartel And it's seriously restrictive, too.
@DeadMG How so?
@rightfold so why does d's f() not get called?
Kerbal Space Battles, but each ship can only be composed of 15 parts.
and I was like, "WAT but I wanted a 500-part ship!".
and the designs are really generic and uninteresting.
19:06
@DeadMG Kerbal Space Battles would be amazing
it seriously fucking would, wouldn't it?
cannon, ammunition, weight, realistic projectile travel
user1804599
@Syler because the type of the object is b, not d.
I fired my cannon in a solar orbit!
heck, I don't even need cannons. I've already accidentally weaponized one ship :D
What I want is Homeworld 3. Which is incoming. Under the name Homeworld: Shipbreakers.
@DeadMG Not treating space as an ocean would also be nice.
Why do I need to fight on a 2D plane? Why do my fighters have to engage in old school WW2-era dog fighting?
In fact, how the hell can my fighters get close enough without getting shredded by computer controlled point defense systems?
Come to think of it, why can't we apply FTL technology to weapons?
19:09
GSB is 100x faster because it uses raw arrays instead of std::list
Fit a FTL drive to a slug, fire it, watch everything exlode.
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes GSB?
@R.MartinhoFernandes ugh, was it the dev behind GSB who said that one?
insta-reason to not buy the game then
19:11
@jalf ha, using normal ship functions as weapons is a recurring theme in Niven's stories
In KSP, I managed to destroy an entire section of a space station by decoupling a nose cone which covered a docking port
protip: it sends them flying straight forward at a fairly impressive speed :D
Wow, the bin's quiet: 'The last message was posted 4 hours ago'
I don't remember any main character commanding in a military ship, actually.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Presumably you mean in a Niven story?
@EtiennedeMartel hmm, pretty good selection. I already have most of them though :(
@jalf "More games coming soon!"
That being said, you can always get the bundle and give most of it to charity.
Just about, @DanielBeck. Just about. — Anna Lear 19 mins ago
So somebody threatened a mod over suspending him for voting irregularities?
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah it's not that much trouble to get into the city :p
@R.MartinhoFernandes So I tried git subtree yesterday and it's working pretty good so far.
19:20
@EtiennedeMartel Did you mean "giving keys to friends," or is there some mechanism for giving games to charity?
I got a bundle as a gift last week, don't know what to do with half the games
@robjb Step 2.
A part of the sales goes to Watsi and Child's Play.
@TonyTheLion did you figure out your alignment/packing issue?
@rightfold what use does the override keyword have
user1804599
Preventing nasty bugs by giving an error when you have unwanted overloading or new function rather than overriding.
lol
19:21
because iif i call x.f() it still calls derived classes f()
Documentation too
@Syler Erm. Isn't that what it's supposed to do?
@melak so why not come over for beer sometime :P
user3010322
@melak47 Don't do it, he's trying to trap you!
user3010322
Wait there, I'll be there soon. <3
user1804599
19:23
@Syler s/derived/base/
@EtiennedeMartel yes its supposed
user1804599
Oh, x, not y.
So where's the problem?
user1804599
Scratch that substitution.
19:27
@R.MartinhoFernandes suppose we could do that :p
@melak47 No need to be so enthusiastic;)
@EtiennedeMartel Because decent 3D control schemes are really fucking hard, because people like seeing WW2-era dog fighting and even realistic modern fighter plane combat firing missiles at each other from miles away seems uninteresting, because an FTL drive is presumably quite an expensive piece of kit and a single FTL-equipped slug would be one hell of an expensive bullet (better to amortize the cost of the FTL drive over thousands of them).
@DeadMG Actually, it was a trick question, because the answer to all of those is: "realism isn't fun".
@rightfold ok so this is covered under object slicing
And it's a game we're talking about.
Ell
Ell
19:30
@ThePhD you did some 3d stuff, right?
meh, it can be if done right
I miss WW2 shooters
it used to be WW2 shooters all the time but now there are none.
user3010322
@Ell Still do. Why?
@Rapptz And most of them sucked, just like military shooters today.
19:31
This is kinda Kerbal Space Battles, but in 2D
nah.
Ell
Ell
@ThePhD Just wondering what file format you use to load models? :)
Well, High Atmosphere Battles
Also, I never got the US' fascination with WW2. Maybe it's because it's the last time the Americans were unambiguously the "good guys".
user3010322
@Ell Whatever you export as.
19:32
@EtiennedeMartel Realism can be fun
But not too much of it
(Well, sometimes)
@CatPlusPlus It should never go before fun.
Simulators are a thing
user1804599
Surgeon Simulator
@EtiennedeMartel because it's an interesting time era?
Yes, but there's a reason there are no "war simulators".
19:33
I might try out Orbiter one of these days
(Well, there are, but they aren't games)
Past is boring
@Rapptz Enough to justify the ridiculous amount of books/films/games/whatever on it?
Space is where it's at
Yes.
19:34
The French Revolution was an interesting time era. Why not cover that as well?
the real thing is
Because it was actually boring
@EtiennedeMartel I think it's something like that
the Europeans basically devastated their entire continent, give or take.
Hell, speaking of world wars, WW1 doesn't get nearly enough coverage as WW2.
19:34
All about eating cake and losing your head.
so the US was unambiguously way more powerful than them, since they basically destroyed themselves.
Nobody likes prequels
of course, today is not so clear-cut.
@Rapptz It's ok, but there are lots of interesting time eras. WW2 really is being covered obsessively
user1804599
Apparently a bounty helped.
user1804599
19:35
I finally got two answers to my question after a month.
@Etienne because WW1 was truly boring as fuck
games set in WW2 don't focus on the US' involvement. :/
user3010322
I did an extensive report on the French Revolutions. It wouldn't be any fun to make a game about that at all.
@EtiennedeMartel Interesting isn't enough, it has to be fun too.
user3010322
It was just people acting exceptionally stupid.
19:35
French revolution would be neat I guess
user3010322
exceptionally
@Rapptz Except all those who are about the Operation Overlord.
Also better WW2 stuff than modern military shooters!
US doesn't have nearly as many history as the Europe does.
19:36
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not all of it. The whole trench warfare thing was pretty boring tactically speaking, sure, but you had cool WW1 planes scouting and bombing and stuf, which was pretty neat (and new at the time), and politically there was a lot going on too
(And even then it's always Omaha Beach. There were five beaches. Why pick the one where Americans got their asses kicked in a tragic manner?)
You could make some pretty cool games over WW1. Just probably not FPS games
Why are WW2 works so patriotically-oriented?
"Germans are evil, 'mericans are heroes, Russians are non existant"
@EtiennedeMartel Because it's the one with more potential for drama?
Americans are big on the patriotism nonsense
Ell
Ell
19:37
@EtiennedeMartel the nazis supposedly had crazy weapons, which I think is kewl
user3010322
Americans get so high on patriotism. @__@
4
Ell
Ell
wunderwaffes
Nationalism crap
@EtiennedeMartel because they're generally made by patriotically-oriented people
That's why they pick WW2 to work with
user3010322
I feel sticky when I'm next to someone have a nationalist orgasm.
19:37
Nazis always make good "universally bad enemy" thing
user3010322
@jalf Actually, it's primarily marketing.
Who was bad guy in WW1
Ell
Ell
@Rapptz It appears to me that they completely forget about any other participant nation...
@ThePhD By patriots, for patriots then :)
@CatPlusPlus Even in space (see Killzone)
19:38
@CatPlusPlus The other guys.
But that's a good point.
@CatPlusPlus even bette rif they're also zombies!
user3010322
@jalf Pretty much. It makes shiploads of money to sell patriotism to Americans.
@rightfold Can a pure virtual function have an implementation in base class?
@Ell Nah. CoD had involvement from Russians and Japanese.
We're talking about stuff here, no programming
19:38
what I've never seen though is involvement of Italy.
@Rapptz Not as much as Americans.
user1804599
@Syler Well, it’s possible.
And let me tell you why: most WW2 works are made by Americans.
@Syler it's not very pure if it does, is it?
Who want to talk about Americans.
user1804599
19:39
And common for pure-virtual destructors (linking errors otherwise).
congratulations on the mind blowing realisation
So what I'm saying is I'm sick of WW2 works because they're all made by Americans.
And I'm racist.
There.
Ell
Ell
How about "CoD: Switzerland in Action"
Canada uber alles
@CatPlusPlus Juno beach motherfuckers.
@melak47 yup cause pure virtual functions are meant to be implemented in derived classes
@Syler Yes, it's possible. No, it's not terribly common.
see for my interview im hoping the interviewer wont be jerk and wont ask tricky questions
user1804599
The Netherlands best country.
19:40
oh, oh, speaking of Canadian superiority, this is pretty much the best thing ever :D
> if u know abit about art there are certain artistic strokes and patterns abstract geometry that a childs mind could not comprehend to do that evoke emotions and movement
Ahahaha
@jalf Our bacon is the best.
@CatPlusPlus lol
This is extremely funny
(btw buy Gimbal it's fun game)
@EtiennedeMartel Are you challenging us to a bacon contest? :O
19:42
Germany best country.
WAit, I'm not German.
@Ell lol those comments feel incredibly pretentious
the facebook comments anyway
I just realised my workplace doesn't block facebook :/
> This is so typical of the art world today: It is not about creating something that is uplifting or good looking, it is about how much BS can you throw at it to explain why it doesn't look good.
lol
@jalf Also, Ontario. Meh.
@Rapptz My workplace doesn't block anything.
@EtiennedeMartel How we view Canadian Bacon.
19:44
@EtiennedeMartel Ontario what?
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes You've been converted. Congratulations!
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah me too. I figured facebook would be the only thing since it's so rampart but I guess not.
@jalf When most people think "Canada", they're really think about Ontario. Or, more accurately, Toronto. Which is also the most boring place in Canada next to Ottawa (which is also located in Ontario).
Canada: missing the point since...the Queen only knows when. :-)
DAE think ANTLR is retarded ?
19:45
@EtiennedeMartel Eh, I liked Toronto when I was there. I didn't realize that was "what people thought of" though. I'd say Vancouver is more well known here
@EtiennedeMartel Still showing your provincial patriotism eh.
user3010322
@Rapptz provincial* ?
@R.MartinhoFernandes antlr.org
lol, providential.
19:46
yeah
But tbh, I think we tend to overlook Canada as a whole somewhat, not any particular provinces or cities
@A.H. What is DAE?
does anybody else
(I used ANTLR before)
^
@R.MartinhoFernandes v4?
19:47
Oh, there's a v4?
apparently
@Rapptz Of course.
and it keeps getting the return types wrong
Nah, I used it during the v2-v3 transition.
> Va te sucer cannucks
19:47
I AM NOT OLD
Oooh, there are nipples in the starboard.
stars nipples
@R.MartinhoFernandes But not salads.
@R.MartinhoFernandes more please , so I can see on my tiny screen
user3010322
> Brad Cox, Inventor of Objective-C
Did I mention that people get weirded out if you randomly spout "nipple salads" in the middle of conversation?
user3010322
Not sure whether I should be happy about ANTLR or sad. =[
19:48
@ThePhD what do you mean ?
ANTLR was created by Terrence Parr, IIRC
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. But even then it's only if they've never met Krieg.
user3010322
ANTLR was an enabler for Objective-C.
@ThePhD how so ?
user3010322
19:51
Read the testimonials on the front of the ANTLR page.
@A.H. Anyway, I used v2 and v3 with the Java backend. I suppose you are using the C++ one?
@R.MartinhoFernandes java, I can't get the actions to work correctly, the generated parser class is full of errors
user3010322
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA‌​AAAAAH
Did you add the runtime JAR thing?
user3010322
I can save PNG files now!
19:53
yeah
user3010322
JPG and PNG screenshots. <3
Ell
Ell
@ThePhD what for? o.O
user3010322
@Ell For screenshots and checking generated textures, of course.
its more of I say expr returns [SomeClass c]
and the return type is ExprContext
Ell
Ell
@ThePhD did you write the png encoding yourself?
19:54
So maybe you can't return SomeClass?
@Ell I suppose he used libpng or something
user3010322
Nope.
user3010322
All the decoders except JPEG I wrote myself.
@EtiennedeMartel ...as the Canadian tourist asked the "lady" in the red-light district when he was visiting Amsterdam.
user3010322
All the encoders except JPEG and PNG I wrote myself.
Ell
Ell
19:55
@ThePhD howcome? :O
user3010322
jpeg-compressor (jpegc, jpegd) handles the JPEG stuff, and it's Public Domain so I don't have to ass myself with drumming up licenses
libpng is MIT or something like that
user3010322
libpng uses the zlib license.
There's little reason to not use it
Same thing
@CatPlusPlus well then what am I supposed to return, the damn thing doesn't even have a constructor
user3010322
19:57
libjpeg uses... I forgot, but it's like MIT.
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus I'm too lazy to do attribution right now. :D
user3010322
So public domain = woo.
@A.H. I don't know, construct the parse tree and then process it, instead of using semantic actions or whatever
@ThePhD There's no such thing as public domain in US
@CatPlusPlus man the reason I am using ANTLR is the 'ease' of syntax directed translations
Responsibility mixing
19:59
@CatPlusPlus Erm, what?
I mean as you can't put your shit in PD, but maybe I'm misremembering vOv

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