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13:02
@jalf Oh, that's nice then.
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Wish I knew an MSBuild guru. ;~;
Xeo
Xeo
@jalf Eyefinity or something like that?
From Nvidia it seems only Quadros support six screens.
I could be wrong, but iirc, they made a pretty big show of it a couple of years ago
@Xeo yeah, sounds right
@ThePhD I once modified a msbuild file. Does that count? :p
Hmm, Nvidia has a page where I can pick the number of screens and it lists the cards that support it. Can't seem to find one such thing for AMD.
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13:04
Unfortunately no, because I'm hacking away at making MinGW play more nicely with Visual Studio.
Even the GeForce TITAN only supports 4 :S
Xeo
Xeo
Just buy 2
No, not TITANs.
Gosh.
Xeo
Xeo
I just meant graphics cards in general
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Why 6?
Xeo
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13:06
Who the fuck would get a TITAN for home use
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You don't have enough eyespace for that.
> To learn more about the AMD Eyefinity technology capabilities of the products in these families, please visit their respective product pages. Each product page details the available display connectors and the maximum number of displays supported on AMD’s reference design.
Fuck off.
They put "What products support AMD Eyefinity technology?" as a FAQ and the answer is "look it up, sucker".
Thanks.
Haha
DRY, dude. DRY.
OGLplus 0.39.0 released http://ow.ly/roLzy #OpenGL
@Ell @thecoshman
anyone has been able to generate sphinx documentation from doxygen via breathe in a CMake project?
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13:09
... what
im trying to generate docs like clang
they use sphinx
but sphinx is a documentation system for python
if you want to use it for c++
@R.MartinhoFernandes @LightnessRacesinOrbit hello hello, thanks for the welcome
you need to use doxygen first
and then translate its output to sphinx output
breathe does that
the pesky life always gets in the way and steals time
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@BartekBanachewicz What is that?
13:14
@ScarletAmaranth Don't thank us too soon. This place has gone to hell since last July!
@BartekBanachewicz fascinating
"Oh, OK so I need three GPU cards. Oops, not enough slots so new mobo, slots wrong for old CPU so new CPU, add more RAM. Oh, too hot so new fans, PS inadequate, PS too big, new case..........".
@LightnessRacesinOrbit has this place ever been anywhere else but hell anyway?
@ScarletAmaranth Different circle methinks
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Yum.
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13:14
Chinese food.
@MartinJames been there :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was new a couple years ago. Most new GPUs should support it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh, well, we've been sinking consistently anyway, was only matter of time
@ScarletAmaranth Yepper
My drive for 100k has stalled again. Where is that damn sweet repz
@ThePhD click the url, duh.
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13:16
@BartekBanachewicz Oooh. Another OO OpenGL Wrapper..
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Welp. Everyone's gotta try it eventually I guess.
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I'm about to try it too. <_>
@ThePhD it's not another wrapper, it's a new version of one
@ThePhD no, it's the best one out there
Hey, did you hear, my Twitter account got hacked last month
13:18
no.
@jalf Seems they only support six with some thing called an MST hub.
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@BartekBanachewicz I guess it is? The guy has to be pretty smart, though
@LightnessRacesinOrbit SOmeone should have told you already that 1234 is not a good password
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Abandoning everything below OPenGL 3.0 is a pretty great move.
@ScarletAmaranth Some app got compromised
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13:20
Arrrgh.
My passwords are awesome
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MS Build is so specialist. :c
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Oooh, someone forked VisualGCC!
@ThePhD If by "specialist" you mean it works for building only on MS systems then, yes, I'd assume so!
@ThePhD Bitbucket really do need to fix that formatting issue (that I know you're already aware of)
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Ahem.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not really
There's XBuild
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Well, I have no intention of supporting other shitty ides <:
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Just trying to make MinGW play nice in VS so I can never ever leave VS ever.
Oh well, seems I can get by with a single not-crazy-expensive card then. Neat.
Xeo
Xeo
What did you find?
13:26
@ThePhD I'd agree, VS is super sweet (albeit slow)
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@ScarletAmaranth Works better than Eclipse, which everyone and their Mom has been trying to push in my face <_>
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I ESPECIALLY need this extension since I'm going back to school
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Where they'll whip me with old compilers and shitty things
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GCC will be a bastion of improvement: while they won't get teh latest VS, they WILL have the latest Eclipse/GCC, which will greatly aid if I can code against MinGW and not have to fire up a fucking VM and use fucking eclipse to do some cross-platform programming.
13:28
@ThePhD well, with the new CTP, I don't mind the compiler as much
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@ScarletAmaranth What University is going to install VS 2013 and the November CTP on its workhorse grading computers? >.>
@ThePhD We use 2006 in my uni! :)
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q_q I shed a tear for you.
There's no 2006.
13:29
it has this 4 colored infinite loop as logo
@ThePhD I did my proejct with VS2012. uni didn't give a fuck what we use, they didn't even try to compile it :p
The day after 31 December 2005 is 1 January 2007.
I m pretty sure its 2006
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@melak47 My school demands the source code and compiles the project for you. =/
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After all, they have to make sure what you're doing is legit.
13:30
@ThePhD Who cares?
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I'm going to get an in with the IT guy
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And greatly convince him that VS 2013 and the CTP as well as the Latest and GReatest GCC is 100% necessary.
Why would they have latest GCC if they won't have latest VS?
It's really weird though, my uni uses fairly recent Java stuff yet decade old C++ stuff
Unis are shit at C++
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13:32
GCC is easier to get on Ubuntu (just run an update command on shell to get the binaries you need).
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Compared to Visual Studio: Download, 20 billion year install, etc.
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VS 2013 deployed across multiple machines is nightmare land.
Erm, no, it's not.
is it not possible to just pull the compiler out of the latest VS RTM and plug into an older IDE?
(I wouldn't do that but unis, who knows?)
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm trying to give the IT guys an out here, don't go condemning them now. :P
13:33
Windows Installer software can be automatically deployed
This won't help if your sysadmins are thoroughly incompetent, like ours
We had a Windows Phone course, and it was like 30% chance that emulator would work on lab computers (and forget about networking in the emulator)
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They aren't. I spoke to one of the guys who maintains the labs: he even installed SDL for me when I was being lazy and didn't want to program my own X11 wrapper.
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(Again, Ubuntu etc. etc.)
At my uni, all machines did Netboot and there was a set of available images with certain software installed.
You would just fire up a workstation, and pick the image you wanted to boot.
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Microsoft does something like that for internal setup.
Unless you were lucky and that one was already in.
13:36
We had netboot, but it didn't work very well I think, because now everything is installed locally
But no roaming profiles, because why would you do that in a Windows domain
It makes deployment super easy: just update the images.
@CatPlusPlus lol
Deployment of new software is not very complicated either way
Even installing the OS itself can be automated
(And there's chef/Puppet and stuff)
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Still
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Visual GCC or nothing at all.
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I refuse to go back to Eclipse. ;~; No Linuxy for me until my Vimfu is stronk.
13:40
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but this also makes other shit simple. You don't need super strict policies in the systems because if someone breaks one, the next person only needs to reboot it.
No sysadmin even needs to be involved. It fixes itself through normal usage.
Hmm.. reminds me, I still have Eclipse downloaded somewhere. I tried to use it once. Must free up some disk space.
You lose a few minutes, that's all.
I used Eclipse for some Android stuff, have had nightmares ever since
@ScarletAmaranth Yeah... :)
IntelliJ for the win
13:43
IntelliJ also sucks
But less
I am going to shamelessly self-promote an old answer of mine that I think hasn't had enough love.
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A: minimum double value in C/C++

rubenvbIn C, use #include <limits.h> const double lowest_double = -DBL_MAX; In C++pre-11, use #include <limits> const double lowest_double = -std::numeric_limits<double>::max(); In C++11 and onwards, use #include <limits> constexpr double lowest_double = std::numeric_limits<double>::lowest();

@CatPlusPlus when I absolutely have to use Java, what is a better option then :)?
@rubenvb HI! :)
Changing professions
Alcohol doesn't stink...
@ScarletAmaranth hey.
13:46
@rubenvb Lately you've been self-plugging a lot, haven't you?
(Not that I care; just noticing)
I'd rather not think about self-plugging.
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Hmm, difference between 1st and 2nd class ticket is 10 euro.
Guess I'll travel 1st class then.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Where you off to? Anywhere interesting?
JBL
JBL
Oho !
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13:58
Are you gonna meet Cicada-san or kbok-kun?
JBL
JBL
A talk scheduled there, by any chance ?
:P
@ThePhD Met Cicada already when he came to Berlin.
I'll just spend Christmas with my grandma.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Aww, you lucky robot you. :c
Though, if @kbok wants to grab a drink while I'm there, I'm game :)
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I want to meet everyone from the Lounge.
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14:00
But I'm so damn poor and time's so damn limited. D:
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK! Have fun:)
@ThePhD I'm winning so far :P
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Indeed you are. >.>
I met a large part of the regulars this side of the Atlantic.
Pity not Friday - I have a good reason to be out of the UK then.
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14:02
That's because most people travel to Berlin. =[
Also, @melak47 you live in the same city, damn you.
(Well, almost Potsdam, but still)
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@R.MartinhoFernandes He's like 5 hours away from you, isn't he?
@ThePhD What, no.
Maybe one hour by train if you account for time lost changing trains.
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But I want to be the first one to see melak. ;~;
IIRC he lives in the southwestern end of the city, and I live more or less in the geographical center.
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14:04
I also want to go to Poland. And show up at Bartek's doorstep.
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I'll have to make sure to bring a peace offering, like an NVidia shield or something.
Oh, wait, there's no train changing. There's a direct train from the station down the street.
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How much would it cost?
@ThePhD Paris maybe, but I'm not going to Poland in winter.
@ThePhD 37 minutes, says my app.
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14:06
q_q
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Why does this have to be Lounge<Berlin>
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WHY NOT LOUNGE<'MERIKA>
@ThePhD A one-trip ticket is 2,60 euro.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Well he'd aobviously need round-trip <_>
Yeah, but if he has, say, a monthly ticket or something, he doesn't need anything.
Also, students get a reduction IIRC.
14:08
@ThePhD A large sign that says "Intel GPUs don't suck completely"
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Tee hee~
(Which isn't true)
My room is slowly filling with trash
I should probably do something about it
I wonder what.
Build a rocket, obviously
Send that pile of Intel GPU cards to Bartek.
JBL
JBL
14:10
@ThePhD And then the complaint would be the opposite. Great! How better! :D
Nah, this is useful trash (i.e. food packaging)
JBL
JBL
Can they heat food correctly ?
Yes I'm using nuclear-powered microwave oven
@CatPlusPlus Well, I guess you can recycle them. There is no 'GPU cards' skip at our local waste site.
Btw... hey, @Bartek, can I plug six screens onto an Intel GPU?
14:13
If you duct-tape 8 cards together!
Almost like SLI
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure. When?
@kbok I'll be in Paris during 24-29.
24th and 25th are for family, but the rest I'll use for tourist-y stuff, I guess.
..and a piss-up with kbok.
I go back to my family (not in paris) the 24th. I've not decided yet when I'll be back, but if it's before the 29th, I'll let you know then
14:16
Ok, cool.
Hmm, :bufdo e syntax-unhighlights the buffers. WTF /cc @sehe
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah. I always announce it seconds before though.
Feel free to downvote when it starts to irritate you. Might teach me a lesson :-p
Ah!
It feels awesome when you finally remember something that you wanted to remember two weeks ago.
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decades. -
New version of ICC made my critical region 111ms vs 146ms..
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Sexy.
14:22
Shit - just out of interest, I looked up airline fares from UK-any to CDG around Xmas. Even if I was free and someone else was paying, I would not go near those prices!
@Cat why are the pages on the wiki immutable?
(Maybe I need permissions?)
Because spam
Did you register?
Hmm, still says immutable.
14:25
There's like million bots registered
lol
Can't even create my user page.
Now it should work
Wait, no, it doesn't
Everyone can edit
14:28
This ACL system is bad
I'm gonna switch to some other wiki thing
is std::chrono::now() considered observable behavior?
Not sure what you mean.
std::chrono::now() is a function.
Okay now it works
@R.MartinhoFernandes Take a look here stackoverflow.com/questions/20350941/…
As many other function calls, if you observe its results with observable behaviour, it is. Otherwise, no.
14:33
@R.MartinhoFernandes last time I've checked it was 3 in all models.
(IOW, I think that's a red herring)
Sorry, meant as a continuation of previous message, not a reply to you.
@R.MartinhoFernandes: How dare you take my brilliant code and give it away, as if it had no value at all? This must be distributed under the GPL, like all other masterpieces of such caliber.
@JerryCoffin Check the dates.
You are stealing.
14:35
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't like this because that means you can't time things with std::chrono. Also all of my code is wrong. I will write an angry letter
I will sue you for your kids.
Wait, I don't want kids.
I'll sue you for something else.
Soddin' compilers better not start reordering my system calls..
@MartinJames They don't.
why would they @MartinJames ?
They only reorder what they know won't change the behaviour.
14:36
downvotes are pointless with an explaination — dfa Jul 25 '09 at 20:29
i like how my image blended in the conversation
so smooth
It is a QoI issue if you ask me.
@MartinJames and also CPU will then do some extra reordering (still not changing the semantics, ideally :))
(I dare you to come up with wording for the standard that guarantees that timing code "works")
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not so. I wrote that on January 1, 1601. Timestamp here on the hard drive to prove it.
14:37
@R.MartinhoFernandes Obviously not, else all my apps would be vastly more fucked-up than they already are. I'm just sorta wondering why anyone would worry about std::chrono calls.
All you can guarantee is that t1 >= t0, and nothing else.
No conformant compiler can break that.
But no decent compiler will put the call elsewhere.
(FWIW volatile doesn't fix a thing; it only guarantees getting the current time strictly follows the behaviour of the abstract machine—says nothing about the code you are timing, which can still be split all over the place since t1 - t0 doesn't "depend" on it)
@rubenvb Your specialist area is dead questions?
14:41
they be reorderin' dem calls
Yeah, volatile reads/writes won't be reordered with respect to each others. But everything non-volatile can still be reordered around volatile stuff (in other words, volatile is very rarely useful)
You can probably get strong guarantees that t1 - t0 >= actual_time_it_takes_to_run_your_code if you impose real memory ordering relations there, like happens-before.
@jalf I only use it for its original purpose - accessing hardware control registers.
Other than that, QoI.
I honestly wouldn't care until I see the compiler misbehaving.
@rubenvb I have 7.
@MartinJames My specialist area is dead things yes.
14:45
@rubenvb OK, I'll keep a watch out for them:)
Say, a full fence before and a full fence after.
@R.MartinhoFernandes woo, 10, hurrah
@R.MartinhoFernandes Who'd ever have guessed? A robotic necrophiliac.
@JerryCoffin necrobot?
I believe that would make the first timestamp happen-before all the filling and that happen-before the second timestamp.
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14:46
... I think I was dreaming...
I should have posted all this rambling as an answer.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you ever reply to my nonsensical ramblings about streams?
@ThePhD Have a tab open on it. Will get there eventually.
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o.0
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I didn't mean to take up a lot of your time. :c
14:48
@jalf Definitely not a fembot anyway.
@ThePhD It's ok. I want to give a thought-out answer.
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A: cannot allocate an object of abstract type

andrevirtual ~AbstractClass(); should be virtual ~AbstractClass() {}. Just like you have to define the constructor you have to define the d-tor. Same thing for ~DerivedClass(); it should be ~DerivedClass() {}

wtf
oh I enjoyed that one! ^^
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit In a roundabout way, he's right

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