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9:00 PM
@sehe A man wouldn't call his wife "Honey" ?
 
Not near me.
:)
 
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@Rapptz Hiii. :D
 
Whenever my "honey" calls me honey, I know to be on heightened alert.
 
user1804599
You know.
 
user3010322
Pet names are a sign of danger?
 
user1804599
9:01 PM
I’ll just make a DSL for this game.
 
user3010322
For me, Full Names are a sign of danger.
 
@ThePhD If they come out of nothing, yes.
 
user3010322
First Middle and Last, it's time to hide.
 
@ThePhD Oh that too. The most reassuring situation would be for us to not talk.
 
@JerryCoffin Not really. It has a small footprint. Statically linking it to an executable only makes it 1.3 MB or so. That's nothing compared to like Qt which is 30-50 MB or so in DLLs.
 
user3010322
9:02 PM
@Rapptz I think he was referring to actual development cost.
 
@Rapptz That's only a space footprint.
 
@Rapptz Doesn't mean Qt would be much larger when statically linked
 
user3010322
E.g. if you're not willing to rub your face in the raw Lua API (which most people aren't).
 
@ThePhD Hello. I'm The Doctor.
 
@sehe Except you can't unless you build it yourself really and that's annoying.
 
user3010322
9:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ABANDON SHIIIP.
 
Dad was a beekeeper for a long time and I grew up with way more honey than I could dare to eat. I have been away for so long that I had forgotten about it. Put some in the cookies I baked OMFG THIS IS WHAT MY LIFE WAS MISSING.
 
@DeadMG Well, I don't know about Lua in terms of development cost. The API sucks but there are multiple wrappers that make it easy online.
 
eh
that's still relative rather than absolute.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Honey on cookies? That actually sounds pretty badass.... I have some cookies here...
 
user3010322
I should try it with some warm milk...
 
9:05 PM
the development cost of writing endless bindings is still pretty high even after a suitable wrapper.
 
eh
 
not to mention that frankly, a wrapping is only the start of the cost of interoperating with another language
 
user3010322
TO THE COOKIE LAB.
 
it only took me 2 days to get a decent wrapper from 0 knowledge of the API.
 
such as you can't exactly debug Lua from inside VS.
 
user3010322
9:06 PM
@Rapptz How 'bout them functions? :3c
 
that's the only thing missing along with meta tables
 
fun fact though
if you used Wide as a scripting language, you could include the C++ header declaring your APIs and then just use them directly.
 
if it isn't Lua then I'd write my own dsl
 
if you used Wide as a scripting language, you'd be stuck trying to get it to compile in the first place, and worried to death about deployment
 
apparently on Linux, the LLVM JIT can implicitly link in symbols from your own executable.
 
9:09 PM
because with Python I think I have to do manual ref counting or something stupid :/
 
On most UNIXen, likely. I think Windows has the same capability, but it's even more esoteric
 
@sehe It compiles just fine.
 
On where? :)
 
Hey babies :)
 
Ubuntu and Windows right now.
 
9:09 PM
@DeadMG Where's the repo for "ubuntu"?
 
user1804599
@Rapptz Write an abstraction that does it for you using RAII.
 
@sehe On carefully prepared environment that's really hard to replicate :v
 
@sehe Ask the Ubuntu devs.
 
@rightfold Not worth the effort.
 
user3010322
@TonyTheLion Hey beautiful. <3
 
9:10 PM
@DeadMG Oooh, is it on TC?
 
@DeadMG Lol. Smooth. Wokay, no interest, suits me
 
@ThePhD <3 How's you?
 
it said it fails on tc
 
user3010322
@TonyTheLion Just fine, and you?
 
I'm alright
 
user3010322
9:10 PM
Do brits celebrate Thanksgiving? If so, how was it? :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah.
 
@ThePhD No.
 
Then your claim is a bit shaky.
 
for some reason, the Clang codegen headers won't play well with the LLVM package.
so currently, you have to build LLVM from source.
 
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@TonyTheLion Whaaat? D:
 
user3010322
9:11 PM
What's your "I'ma gonna stuff my face with food" day, then?
 
Christmas
 
user3010322
Oh. So us Americans are just being our usual fat selves and doing it twice instead of once a year. <_>
 
Only twice? I think you're missing some important cultural habits
 
@ThePhD Erm. Xmas maybe? When we stuff ourselves with Turkey
@sehe Damn, I'm too slow :/
@sehe :)
 
god all of these questions are just awful introductory shit
what happened to our site :(
 
user1804599
9:15 PM
It’s slightly less terrible during summer.
 
user3010322
Schools in and the students are rolling in by the handfuls.
 
What is the goal of abstract math courses?
 
user1804599
Teaching abstract math.
 
to teach abstract mathematics.
 
end of term exams I guess
 
9:17 PM
What do you learn, in terms of practical application, from these?
 
no idea never taken one
 
To teach you that the more abstract you go in math that the likelyhood of you ever understanding it decreases to near zero the further you go.
 
but since it's termed "abstract mathematics", you might think that the point of the course is not "practical mathematics".
 
Why is a flight to Paris cheaper than a train :S
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Customs!
 
9:18 PM
@ThePhD What is customs.
 
@TonyTheLion that was my thought, yes
 
We don't have that bullshit.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh. Immigration and emmigration police, I guess?
 
user3010322
Oh.
 
user3010322
Well then, who knows? :D
 
user1804599
9:18 PM
A flight to Poland is cheaper than a train to Amsterdam.
 
The Schengen Area is a group of 26 European countries that have abolished passport and immigration controls at their common borders. It functions as a single country for international travel purposes, with a common visa policy. The Area is named after the village of Schengen in Luxembourg where the Schengen Agreement, which led to the Area's creation, was signed. Joining Schengen entails eliminating internal border controls with the other Schengen members, while simultaneously strengthening external border controls with non-Schengen states. Twenty-two of the European Union (EU) member ...
 
@ThePhD Yea no customs across EU nations
Only Britain has border control
because Britain
 
user3010322
That's fucking badass.
 
@TonyTheLion Not just.
 
Swiss too
true
 
zch
9:19 PM
And Ireland, thet're with Britain
 
UK is slowly becoming literally North Korea so
 
user3010322
So if I go see @Cicada in Renee, I can then hop on a train and head to Belgium to see @StackedCrooked and friends?
 
oh gawd
@CatPlusPlus Hmmmm
 
user1804599
@ThePhD Come to the Netherlands too.
 
@ThePhD Yes
Once you're inside EU, you can just travel around
without hassle
 
9:20 PM
@DeadMG I assume you have taken discrete mathematics?
 
pretty much
 
user3010322
That's pretty awesome.
 
dunno.
don't think so
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion That’s not an EU nation.
 
@TonyTheLion Switzerland is not in the EU.
 
user1804599
9:20 PM
(They have brains.)
 
@DeadMG Oh. What do you recall taking?
 
zch
But they are in Schengen, like Norway
 
@Pawnguy7 I don't.
most of my recollection of university is "OH MY GOD THE SICKNESS".
 
Ah.
I imagine that would be rather disruptive.
 
@DeadMG You have. Set theory, graph theory, etc.
 
9:22 PM
hmm
we didn't really do set theory.
 
you told me before that you did some of that stuff
 
we just did "This is a set; this is union/intersection; good job go have lunch OH GOD THE SICKNESS".
 
user3010322
Does lua do static typing?
 
@ThePhD Yes, but he's in South Korea, no?
 
9:23 PM
@ThePhD no.
 
What?
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cicada? I thought he was in Renee, France.
 
Cicada is in SK?
 
user3010322
And StackedCrooked is in Belgium, making awesome games.
 
Unless he already returned, yes, he is there.
 
9:24 PM
AND ME?
You forgot me?
damn you.
 
@TonyTheLion He can't visit you with a Schengen visa.
 
I could come to Belgium
 
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And we could all have waffles!
 
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And Robot can bring his best honey.
 
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And I could bring fruit. <3
 
9:25 PM
Hmm, waffles with honey.
Damn, I'm hungry.
 
Now I want waffles
Damnit
 
user1804599
 
Near Haiku
 
@rightfold What?
 
user1804599
Waffles.
 
9:26 PM
Should I go waffle on Meta?
 
@TonyTheLion ...even to some places that aren't exactly EU (like Great Britain and Switzerland).
 
Meh, still taking the train. I hate planes.
 
fuck
I ate a tiny bit of real food and it's so bad.
 
fuck
eat fake food
 
9:27 PM
@JerryCoffin The UK is in the EU.
 
even I only have a finite tolerance for fake food.
 
@TonyTheLion You mean stuff from McDonald's?
 
mmm fake food
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Anything that classifies as fake food.
 
I'm writing code and it's fun
4
 
9:28 PM
Are you ok Cat?
 
KSP makes everything better!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Officially in the EU, but not a member of the Eurozone, so only sort halfway...
 
@CatPlusPlus Cool :)
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus What code are you writing?
 
9:30 PM
Moddin' KSP
 
Man if Cat wrote bad code, then I think the world will end
 
user1804599
UB can throw std::bad_code.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So McDonalds has improved to the point that they actually attempt to fake food again? Last time I ate there, I don't think they were even faking an imitation of an imitation of real food.
 
@CatPlusPlus What'll your mod do?
 
I'm adding power stats to MechJeb right now
 
user1804599
9:31 PM
Ban trolls and validate all flags.
 
Oh @JerryCoffin, you never fail to make me laugh :)
 
It takes a special skill to not make Tony laugh.
 
hmm
I was playing Mafia, and I was plotting to kill this guy horribly, then I realized my target was myself.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmmmm
Not sure if good or bad
 
To be honest, I would say the same about me, actually.
 
9:33 PM
Oh ok
Have you seen the ape lately?
 
I'm always laughing.
 
At people's bad code?
 
user3010322
He's laughing because he knows the destruction of mankind is assured, and he will live on. :c
 
@TonyTheLion Last time I saw him was when I celebrated one year in Berlin.
About a month ago.
 
for a moment I thought you said "people's bad cock"
and I was like "lolwat"
 
9:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Woah, gratz. :)
 
for surviving?
 
@DeadMG Now I know what's in your mind.
ITT Puppy's mind is on cock
 
user3010322
@DeadMG Not something entirely unexpected from Tony, seeing as what he's the Prince of~
 
Hey, @Fred, how did your trip to Berlin go?
 
9:36 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Now you make that sound awkward.
 
(It took place already, right?)
 
Some of my coworkers were in Berlin last week
 
Hetzner finally got around to making the invoice
 
@TonyTheLion Anything but the sickness.
 
@DeadMG :(
I'm sad about your sickness
I don't want puppy to be sick.
 
9:37 PM
well
I got another doc's appointment tomorrow
 
Is there hope?
 
not really.
 
Oh wait, per Cat, there is no hope
 
he will refer me to another doctor.
 
Well he's obviously the expert...
 
9:38 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
Dr Plus. The PhD.
 
He does have a monocle
 
@DeadMG Jeez, the never ending referral process
 
yeah I know.
I don't know why I didn't just get an appointment with the new guy directly.
 
user3010322
9:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus What's it look like?
 
@ThePhD Like an invoice
It is a PDF
 
user3010322
I meant final costs and all
 
And it has numbers inside
And the numbers are in euro
 
user3010322
What're they racketeering you for?
 
9:41 PM
And there even is a sum of numbers
99€
 
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x.o
 
user3010322
That's only first time, right?
 
Yeah 49€ setup
 
What you paying for?
 
The server
 
9:42 PM
VPS?
 
Dedicated box
 
user3010322
It's fully Linux, right?
 
user3010322
You haven't chopped it in half/thirds, yet?
 
9:43 PM
No, it's 1/6th Canadian
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how is the new job compared to your previous? Do you like it more, same, less?
@CatPlusPlus So its got some ponies?
 
Never
 
@DeadMG oh, also, the A* I had is somewhat acceptable speed in release mode.
 
... you were complaining about the speed but you were compiling in debug mode?
 
9:50 PM
Maybe :\
 
> The Lion King was originally called “King of the Jungle” before they realized that lions don’t actually live in jungles.
lol
 
This has only happened to me twice.
 
Generally when things I make are slow, it is because they really are slow.
 
You'd think generating a stub assembly would be easy
 
9:51 PM
I assumed this to be the case here as well.
That being said, speed aside, it still doesn't actually... work. Yet to diagnose why, it seems to generate paths of size 1 that are nowhere near the head, so something is buggy.
I think I understand how it works now, though, with one exception.
It would seem paths can change their parent node if that path is shorter.
But it was not clear to me what set of nodes can have this happen.
 
any, give or take.
 
@TonyTheLion Dunno. I'm happy. Who cares.
 
if neighbor in closedset and tentative_f_score >= f_score[neighbor]
I wasn't sure why the first part of this was required.
 
@CatPlusPlus What's a stub assembly?
 
Something that'd replicate all types and methods to make the build pass
Think platform JAR in Android SDK
 
9:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good you're happy.
 
Something for another time
 
@Pawnguy7 If you really need better performance from pathfinding, consider potential field or A* JPS.
 
I forget, it might not be a problem at all, though I only tested with one at once.
I was just saying, something is really broken regardless.
 
well that's what happens when you go and implement something you've never done before
 
Something strange was happening, though.
It is only really feasible to debug when on release mode.
But it seemed to be jumping back and forth a few times.
Could optimization cause this somehow?
 
10:12 PM
yes.
 
Hrm.
Anyway, I initially thought it was adding bad squares on the path.
Now, the way I do this is, pick direction based on the first path position offset to the current position.
In which case, 5 squares to the right is the same as 1.
I guess this is why you debug stuff.
 
it does tend to help.
welp
time to get a dink and then go to bed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I cancelled because sbi didn't have time and I was a bit confused, and the boss wasn't amused. Stupid me :(
 
Wait what?
 
Eh, I need a lot of dinks.
 
10:24 PM
You cancelled your interview because sbi didn't have time for a beer?
 
If you put it that way, it sounds even stupider.
I wonder if that book is worth buying.
Any of you guys own it?
 
Hi there, Rex<T> ;)
 
I found a bug in Boost.MPL, min_element finds the last instead of the first element when processing equal elements
 
user3010322
Or is it T<Rex> ?
 
10:35 PM
@ThePhD you tell me, you're the one with the PhD
 
@TemplateRex Does the spec say the first element should be returned?
 
@FredOverflow yup, it has the same semantics as std::min_element
@FredOverflow the bug is that they implement it as max_element<Seq, not_<Pred>>
instead of max_element<Seq, lambda<Pred, _2, _1>>, the same lame bug that got the better of Stepanov when he wrote std::min
 
@TemplateRex Have you filed the bug?
 
user3010322
@TemplateRex I don't know, it's a myssterry~
 
@FredOverflow yeah, not expecting quick action as boost is under lockdown with their Git transition
 
10:39 PM
@TemplateRex Let's hope git won't become deprecated whilst they're at it ;)
 
@FredOverflow I have no clue what they are doing, there is also a CMake project to move away from BOost.Build
 
Speaking of transitions, Blender switched over to Git as well recently :)
 
what is the best free version control for a small project?
 
all of that under the umbrella of some vaporware project called Ryppl, which is supposed to solve dependency management
 
@Borgleader did they burn the UI already?
 
10:40 PM
@Telkitty hg/git
 
@Borgleader Git, Mercurial, same difference
 
@TemplateRex It used to be SVN
 
@Borgleader ok, so from horses to cars
 
meh
SVN isn't that bad.
 
@Borgleader I still use SVN. It's great.
 
10:41 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No, but they did form UI team(s) and they already started working on proposals. Andrew Price is one of the members.
 
git is cloud bullshit.
 
@BartekBanachewicz who said horses were bad?
 
Ell
No it isn't
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and I wanted to high5 you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz :)
 
Ell
10:42 PM
Branches in svn are expensive as ferk
 
@Ell You're wrong. Bloody 'ell
 
Seriously sometimes our Tomalak is more of an extremist than me
 
@Ell cough
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've always been an extremist. The difference between you and me is that I am right in my extremism, whereas you're just a sensationalist about anything that is "uncool"
<3
 
10:42 PM
> right in my extremism
right in my childhood, srsly :P
 
wat?
Never, young man
 
Ell
Okay maybe I got the wrong one :P
 
ffs come on 93k already
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit haha you're oooold
 
@Ell All branching and tagging in SVN is cheap as fuck
everything is incremental
though I assume there's some caching involved else checkouts at rev 199999 would be a nightmare...
I won't pretend to fully understand it, come to think of it
I do like the idea of being able to branch locally then commit the whole changeset when done. In SVN you kinda need the branch first before working on it
but I don't know git well..
 
Ell
10:45 PM
Well what was I thinking of o.O hmm nevermind
I think it turns out I've never used svn
 
:)
missing out
 
I know& have used most of the version controls, but I don't know which ones are free :x
 
just like my ex
 
Hello
I was curious if the quality of questions follows a weekly cycle, so I made this query.
 
10:50 PM
heh
 
@KerrekSB takes a lot of time :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz Just a little
Oh, the "FORMAT" thing makes it not plottable. Shame. I should take that out.
It's fun to put "c++" and "c++11" in :-)
 
@KerrekSB graph please
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Done
The vertical axis indexes the hour-within-the-week, [0, 168).
 
hey I didn't know it coudl do that nice
interesting
now try day of week...
Hold tight while we fetch your results
don't understand the list of ms durations; I only need one query
woah... HUGE pattern. Massive spike mid-week. In high scores, that is
 
10:56 PM
The daily rhythm seems far more important than the weekly one
I was expecting some kind of Sunday-night deadline depression, but there doesn't seem to be one
Nicely enough, the "c++11" averages are way higher than the "c++" ones. Comparison with "php" is left as an exercise for the reader.
 
It takes two days before the post-weekend coffee kicks in? Seems a little long..
 
@KerrekSB :D
 
@MartinJames I don't know what the origin is. It's whatever TSQL says is "weekday 1, 00:00".
 

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