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Ell
11:10 AM
no
 
user784668
Why there is no non-crap build system?
 
Ell
Idk :/
 
because they're hard
 
Ell
I think a command line thingy for ninja is the way forward. But idk how ninja works yet so can't write :O
 
user784668
I'm honestly thinking about using CMake as the least terribad.
 
11:21 AM
eh
IME build systems are like languages- you're probably never gonna find one that meets every requirement.
 
CMake is horribad.
 
I think I am adding so many extra little things to my cereal it's not really that cereal any more o_0
@DeadMG but you can find one (make one?) that suits your needs
 
@Ell awesome!
@thecoshman in online communication you need one that suits your tweets.
 
@StackedCrooked A build system that only ever outputs 140 characters at a time?
 
@Fanael Because C++ sucks
 
user784668
11:35 AM
@CatPlusPlus Tell me something I don't know.
 
user1804599
lol import turtle.
 
@Rapptz tell me, what is the worst about CMake?
 
The inflexible language, hardcoded mess, bad documentation, CMake calling itself repeatedly to print out pwetty coloured messages from crappy Makefile
Take your pick?
It can generate ninja files now, so maybe it finally doesn't do the last thing
 
11:53 AM
> "I said 'What do you mean? The invasion of my privacy or my lifestyle choice' and she said 'Both' and I didn't talk to her for about six months after that which was pretty difficult."
I don't think this is to scale:
 
@CatPlusPlus Okay. I was considering "learning" CMake for my cross platform projects. I don't enjoy making a Makefile and .sln/.vcxproj manually. I mean, the Makefile is a swift job (wildcards etc.) but the vcxprojs are tedious
 
If your requirements align with what CMake can do, then it might not be very painful
But you're pretty much shit out of luck otherwise
 
generation of the latter sounds annoying
might be easier than fucking around with the cl.exe command arguments though :/
 
Generating VS projects is trivial
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit possibly
@Rapptz My thought exactly.
@CatPlusPlus Using sed/perl? Or CMake?
 
user784668
12:00 PM
@sehe Using anything that can output text.
 
@rightfold I thnk it will be a while until we can expect to see fall out from ISON
 
user1804599
@sehe ed.
 
e
 
user784668
 
user1804599
Is ed Turing-complete?
 
12:01 PM
Anything, really. It's pretty straightforward
 
user784668
@rightfold No, but Turing was ed-complete.
 
user1804599
My build system is usually Z shell.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah I "know". And I don't fully agree. It's easy to get the file lists in.
 
I delegate the rest to the external build system
 
12:02 PM
Mmm?
 
That would be... MSBuild? How can MSBuild decide about compiler options, warning levels, exception flags, debug information, runtime library versions, let alone precompiled funnies and output paths?
 
VS projects are MSBuild
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus I gave up after looking at the language for five minutes.
 
yeah VS2010 and higher are
 
12:05 PM
If you want to use MSBuild's C++ template, then you just need to include more configuration stuff and import C++ targets
I didn't bother then, because we already had one shitty build system that was Boost.Build, so I just ran that from a Makefile-type project
 
hello
 
never used Boost.Build
 
Oh yeah, I was just creating a simple piano in C#, and I just happen accidentally to stumble upon exactly same problem that just happens to match your vague description, so I can probably easily guess what's in your mind. What a coincidence! Oh, wait... — BartoszKP 1 min ago
;0
 
Never use Boost.Build
 
@CatPlusPlus bad documentation? You are complimenting CMake there..
 
12:16 PM
        MusicNote musNote = new MusicNote(mk.musicNote,"Crotchet.bmp");
        musNote.PlaySound();
So much sense!
It is making so much of it!
> Please help me how I can achieve this because I am really stuck! Tks Private void panel1_Click is in the Form.cs class
 
:DDDDDD lol didn't see bmp :D
 
To be fair, it's prolly less nonsensical than it looks. But, it looks non-sensical
 
yeah, it's probably the note picture he wants to display
and playing = displaying + making a sound (no it's not, whatever)
 
To be fair, I've never tried playing a bitmap. Who knows - it might work :)
 
cue that "hello, world" from a bitmap gif.
 
12:26 PM
OTOH, I have tried screen-rendering an mp3. That did not work.
 
^ flip the table game
 
lol :|
 
user784668
I solved my build system problem.
 
user784668
I won't use C++.
 
user784668
There, solved.
 
12:37 PM
lol my bank's transaction system has badges :|
 
@BartoszKP wtf?
 
@gnzlbg I just got a "Traveller" badge for logging into the new www interface :|
 
i love to see those badges
 
lol, it has also facebook-looking message system
 
i just wonder what kind of badge you get when you run out of money and cant pay your bills
 
12:39 PM
:DDDDD
I'll check if there's english version
 
or when you get money at 3 am from thursday till sunday
@BartoszKP what language is it then?
 
@gnzlbg it's polish
 
:o
 
lol you can add "friends" in a fucking bank transaction system
 
user784668
@BartoszKP Shoe polish or what kind of polish?
 
12:40 PM
@Fanael Polish :)
 
I give up. In 'multithreading', a Sleep(1) polling/counting loop has been accepted with two upvotes. Why the fuck bother? I'm gonna get drunk again.
 
it looks neat, that I can admit, but they went far over the line adding social networking to bank account management :|
 
user784668
@MartinJames link
 
-1
Q: Disrupt Sleep() on Windows in C

TyymoI am writing a Gif animator in C. I have two threads running in parallel, both . The first allows the user to alter the speed of the animation. The second draws the current frame, and then calls Sleep(Constant * 100 / CurrentSpeed), where CurrentSpeed is a percentage amount, ranging from 1 to 20...

 
can you post pictures? (in the bank system)
 
12:43 PM
@gnzlbg Ask Telkitty:)
 
Pictures? you asking for pictures?
 
@Fanael Best choice
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus I know.
 
lol, and there it goes, I've achieved my badge for doing a transfer :| fucking idiots
 
@Telkitty I'm hung-over and pissed off with SO questions. No fat pies please, I beg of you!
 
12:46 PM
@BartoszKP Ahahah what bank is that
 
@gnzlbg yes :| you can upload your photos & add friends
 
lol
 
@CatPlusPlus mbank :E
 
@BartoszKP Ahahah
Of course
Who else
 
12:47 PM
@Telkitty Horses OK, as long as I don't have to ride them.
 
google says it's a social bank, so at least they didn't lied about that..
 
I can keep logging into the old system, but they'll probably disable it soon :E
yeah, now they're very social : E there is a large, gold "+" sign next to my account number saying "hey, we have more funds for you - click here"
 
Ahahaha
 
lol
 
Free to play bank
 
12:49 PM
fat horses on a beautiful farm (see the picture from above)
 
they're missing the badge for when you default though :E
 
Maybe it's time to change the bank to one that actually has some offices around
And has better card choices
 
yeah, pure virtual bank makes you wonder if your money isn't exchanged into bitcoins :|
 
@MartinJames I have not been at home a lot lately, pies have been losing weight :'(
 
do they have games, like farmville or gta ?
 
12:51 PM
I <3 magpies, they are so mean looking <3
 
not yet, but the whole badge/achievement system is called "mGame"
 
mManager at mBank thinks mGame is a good idea and gets mFired when mCustomers leave
 
mHopefully
 
so gonna shower and go to work and try to get something done, cya
 
bye
 
12:55 PM
Fuck gamification
 
@MartinJames Look! A mean magpie!, here is another one ...
 
got a 100/100 on one of them
 
yeah, me too, but only 70/100 overall ;0
 
your mother overall
 
1:06 PM
plot twist: I'm hungry
 
@DeadMG strange, she said exactly the same thing about you ;o
 
lol
 
How's puppy?
 
I'm fucking hungry
and my internet is slow as shit.
 
@DeadMG have you tried eating flax-seed with hot water? afair it's the mildest thing to eat/drink
 
1:16 PM
Well, my internet is slow as shit. I'm not hungry, but I just walked the dog without shutting the relevant doors first. After I had washed our paws off with the hose and let him in, he bolted upstairs and jumped on our bed. I hope it dries off b4 I get back from the club later.
 
@DeadMG ugh
 
user784668
Oh no.
 
user784668
I used fork.
 
user1804599
Nothing wrong with it.
 
1:32 PM
why the scipy.org running slow?
 
user784668
@Mikhail It's written in Ruby.
 
user1804599
It’s not running slow.
 
user1804599
It’s faster than most websites.
 
Anyone here who knows a bit about servers and datacenters?
 
@SabTheCoder I do EC2
 
1:36 PM
Well, I just want to know how can startups go from a little server to making datacenters
 
@rightfold Try to do a latency test, you get something rather high for load time
@SabTheCoder ec2
 
@Mikhail I've experienced it running extremely slow once, but now seems ok for me
 
You buy a building, put datacenter stuff in, and there, you've got yourself a DC
It's not complicated, it's just really fucking expensive
 
@CatPlusPlus also zoning regulations
 
1:40 PM
Well yes, with amount of power a typical DC consumes it probably qualifies only for industrial areas
 
@gnzlbg yeah... that's this shit. But searching for transactions is convenient indeed, didn't try the rest of this stuff being overwhelmed by all the facebook-like flashing icons and notifications
 
@CatPlusPlus When I was a young lad I recall that our dialup ISP was shutdown because it didn't meet zoning regulations.Turns out it was some dude running it from his garage, we actually visited him. He told us that the big ISPs were out to get him and then I learned he really liked guns.
 
I am "that guy" who has real experience of the standardisation process - unlike you apparently. — curiousguy Dec 22 '11 at 16:32
Wow. What a comment thread to run into
 
Not that guy again
 
It's old.
Relax :)
 
1:55 PM
Oops, 2011
 
user3010322
Spoo
 
deletes response comment
 
user3010322
Ahaha
 
user3010322
You actually commented?
 
user3010322
Geez, so eager to start a brawl~
 
1:58 PM
Of course I did!
 
lol
@Naughty.Coder Indeed. But if you have two questions, then why not just ... ask two questions? And, beside that, trying google first. — BartoszKP 26 secs ago
:E
"my question is different because I put another one with it"
 
A crazy thought: shared_from_this is some kind of "adult version" of old C++ code that uses delete this; i.e. it appeals to the same dirty minds. — Kerrek SB 3 hours ago
 
@DeadMG I was looking into A* again. I am slightly confused on how paths are changed - that is, when one route to them is shorter. Does this apply to places on the open list only?
 
user3010322
2:21 PM
@sehe Kinky~
 
He’s up a creek without a pad? — Brian M. Scott 13 hours ago
haha
 
user3010322
Haha.
 
I'M REALLY SMART
 
user3010322
I can't tell what's wrong here. :c
 
Look at health
This class has an ability to convert max HP into max MP
And I pressed the button before even going into the castle :v
Bad butan
 
user3010322
2:38 PM
Lol
 
user1804599
<input type='color' /> is cool.
 
@rightfold ! :3
 
2:54 PM
> "coverted"
 
3:15 PM
@rightfold Is it real?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
omg HTML5 what
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's kinda nice
 
user3010322
Does it give you like
 
user3010322
a color wheel selector or something?
 
3:17 PM
yep
 
user3010322
:O
 
user3010322
Hawt.
 
If you're lucky and your browser implements it
 
@CatPlusPlus I think all browsers now
 
user3010322
The latest version of all browsers, anyways.
 
user3010322
3:19 PM
God knows there's still no hope for old IE folks.
 
@ThePhD Oh hey. I was bored:
@KJS If you insist on a cookie-less/token-less design you can never support lambdas or bind expressions, I think. In that case you still need to do work to allow for const-volatile cases (use sfinae to avoid overload swamp): cv_qualified_fix.cpp. And as that Coliru shows, you will still want to check properly for different ptmf with the same hash. You might add a typeindex to disambiguate: disambiguating_fix.cppsehe 2 mins ago
 
user3010322
Can't you support lambdas or binds by having them stored in an object beforehand?
 
user3010322
Oh wait, derp. Garbage collection and reference counting @___@
 
user3010322
If the Event owns the callback, it's impossible to keep address values, unless you specifically state "Event does not own its callback resources".
 
user3010322
Fuckin' C#. :c
 
user3010322
3:24 PM
@sehe But still, very nice job. If I was on the site, I'd give you upboats. :D
 
Woah. Warning on trusting voted SO answers: this answer sat incorrectly and upvoted for > 3 years
 
Yup, voting is crap
 
user3010322
LOL wat.
 
user3010322
How do you miss that.
 
user3010322
A compiler would've warned or something, right??
 
3:29 PM
No
 
user3010322
=[
 
user3010322
And the poison is spread.
 
Welcome to implicit conversions, where shitty errors are common place and should be expected!
2
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus VC++ (and GCC?) warn about BOOL/bool to integral conversions (performance warning, VC++ calls it)
 
3:31 PM
Yes, performance is what's wrong with it
 
user3010322
Shrug.
 
user3010322
I really need to learn more Japanese.
 
@CatPlusPlus "but those aren't the errors I have problems with"
 
@Support Apparently I need to address my reports here: http://Twitter.com completely broken on Opera since recent. See my last tweets.
@CatPlusPlus No irony at all
Who tests stuff @twitter?
 
@sehe I don't use Opera, so #worksforme. They prolly don't too.
it has like 2%? user count or something so it's just not worth it I guess
 
3:50 PM
I know what you're doing. Joke all you want. It still doesn't make any sense.
 
user1804599
Today was a pretty bad day.
 
user1804599
Ugh.
 
user3010322
Why so?
 
user1804599
Why is the omnibox so insanely bad.
 
well, you did just speak in the chat, so....
 
user1804599
3:57 PM
It doesn’t show the result I want first, so it sucks.
 
user1804599
Google can’t make software.
 
Hi!, @DeadMG how did it go with your RTTI proposal?
 
little interest
 
user3010322
I'm interested. <3
 
user3010322
3:59 PM
I sent it to STL too: maybe he'll see it when he responds to my email (hopefully; it's been 2 months since I last sent him an e-mail >_<)
 
The google group seem pretty dead anyway, i seriously question how many of the visitors really have any authority over the language
 
Didn't Opera switch to WebKit?
 
user1804599
@ThePhD I haven’t done anything fun today.
 
user3010322
@rightfold Well then do something fun!
 
user3010322
Go do some parkour outside.
 
user1804599
4:01 PM
I do not have anything fun to do.
 
user3010322
Talk to a girl.
 
user1804599
There are no girls in the swamp.
 
user3010322
If that's not your cup of tea, find a muscular guy and cup his pecs.
 
user1804599
There are no muscular guys in the swamp either.
 
user3010322
4:02 PM
=[
 
user3010322
Bummer.
 
user1804599
Hummer.
 
I wonder how long its gonna be till someone implements a "c++ lite"
 
@rightfold what happened
@CatPlusPlus it's gonna. I'm pretty sure the linux version hasn't yet. Nope, indeed. No mention in about:
@DavidKron what would that even be
 
I just feel that the number of additions gets more and more in an increasing speed. For me i only find them positive, since ivé been with c++ from 03. I can however get how it gets a huge burden for noobs currently getting into the language.
 
4:11 PM
why does gcc use a different flag for coloring diagnostics than clang?
 
gcc's attitude here seems like "incompatibility with clang is a feature"
 
user1804599
@sehe I haven’t done anything fun today.
 
ooooh.
that's baaaaad
@DavidKron Stroustrups "Introduction" book is precisely that, I think
 
user1804599
Terrible.
 
4:27 PM
@rightfold try this: every time someone asks you something, or even just talks to you just stare at them saying nothing and see what happens
 
user1804599
What is this “someone” thing?
 
oh, right
 
user1804599
4:39 PM
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
Nice non-const member function that should probably not be a member function at all.
 
@rightfold C++11-14 == C-03
 
no, it's -02
 
user1804599
Postfix ++ yields the old value.
 
4:43 PM
@rightfold where is that? which video?
 
user1804599
@gnzlbg I don’t know.
 
user1804599
Effective Code Transformations in C++11 #iad13 http://t.co/pqG7lVnbGU
 
@rightfold but ++(-03) is prefix
 
user1804599
You cannot apply ++ to xvalue integers.
 
Gawd. I interpreted it as something sane. Not C++!
 
4:47 PM
 
Maths: C + (+11) - 14 == C - 3
 
user1804599
@sehe tokenisationfail.
 
@rightfold not unless your married to C++
 
user1804599
How about C#?
 
user1804599
I wish I had an idea.
 
4:52 PM
an idea for what?
 
user1804599
I don’t know what to do.
 
user1804599
So if I had an idea of what to do, I would.
 
OK, I'm in Zoidberg mode now - I want to assassinate fucking Claudix.
 
user1804599
Who is Claudix?
 
4:55 PM
@rightfold do some push ups
 
user1804599
I’d rather make software.
 
user1804599
@user3054650 hello! :3
 
@rightfold help me with my lib :D
 
@rightfold physical activity lets your brain rest from mental activity - it's more likely to have an idea after some exercises
 
user1804599
@gnzlbg what library?
 
user1804599
4:57 PM
@BartoszKP I had too little mental activity today.
 
@rightfold A fucking Sleep(1) proponent who thinks that such loops are a reasonable substitiute for sane inter-thread signaling. I wanna kill someone even more than rightfold over his vacuum-suckage API.
 
user1804599
> Scattered containers store each object's data member sequentially in memory.
 
user1804599
How is that different from std::vector?
 
user1804599
@MartinJames downvote, close and ignore.
 
4:58 PM
std::vector store all data members from the first object, then all from the second..
 
@MartinJames there's actually no contradiction. In his solution scope it might be sane
 
user1804599
Oh, that way.
 
scattered store the first data member from all objects first, then the second,..
 
user1804599
I was working on immutable containers.
 
user1804599
I already suck at it, let alone scattered containers.
 
5:00 PM
i suck at it too, but its fun to learn
 
@sehe No, it's not. There is no OS, JVM or anything where a less CPU-wasteful and reduced-latency solution is not easily available.
 
an immutable container library sounds fun too @rightfold, ive hear that in haskell you can actually use the type system to forbid a RB-tree from being not balanced :D
 
user1804599
I implement the containers using shared pointers.
 
like bartosz ?
 
user1804599
I have no idea what he does.
 
5:04 PM
shared_ptrs :P
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
I should implement map and filter.
 
go for it :)
 
Oh fuck, I seem to be ratted again. No more posts...
 
user1804599
Implementing ij::detail::mapping<Mappee, F>::const_iterator::operator->() seems like a pain.
 
5:09 PM
everything iterator related is a pain
 
user1804599
I can return an std::unique_ptr<decltype(F(…))> from it. :|
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
user1804599
Is there something like std::value?
 
can't you return a lazy iterator?
like a transform iterator?
 
user1804599
Like std::optional but without none state.
 
5:10 PM
that way you don't need to modify the container
 
user1804599
@gnzlbg I am doing that.
 
just your view of it
mm
 
user1804599
I’m not modifying any containers.
 
user1804599
10 mins ago, by rightfold
I was working on immutable containers.
 
Oh god i have java exam this upcoming week, tfm suicide
 
user1804599
5:10 PM
Hence operator-> is a pain.
 
i might be too blind, but -> and dereference
how are they different for your case?
 
So I've heard there's this thing called How Videogames Changed the World, and it's from Charlie Brooker, and now I really wish I was in the UK because it's "not available in my area".
Fuck borders.
 
user1804599
-> has to return an object that has -> that returns a pointer eventually.
 
user1804599
The problem is that the value is computed so I can’t take its address.
 
5:12 PM
@rightfold sounds like FUN
what does std::vector<bool> do?
 
user1804599
std::vector has no operator->.
 
it must have a similar problem
well thats a nice solution
i mean
std::vector<bool>::iterator
std says its implementation defined
but then again they must have a similar problem
"because std::vector<bool>::iterator is implementation-defined, it may not satisfy the ForwardIterator requirement."
*(*this) would return a reference, why is that not possible in your case?
 
vector<bool>::iterator doesn't return a bool&.
and rightfold sounds like he's in similar fun.
@rightfold You'll have to cache the result inside the iterator.
 
@DeadMG it returns a vector<bool>::reference != bool&
you can cache the result also in your reference type
 
5:31 PM
why do games use software cursors
!%?!@#!@
fkin skyrim
 
user1804599
@DeadMG right, that should work.
 
grrr
I can smell all the really tasty food.
 
user1804599
Should difference_type be signed?
 
user1804599
Nevermind; makes no sense here anyway.
 
yes, distance is unsigned
 
5:36 PM
std::ptrdiff_t
>std::ptrdiff_t is the signed integer type of the result of subtracting two pointers.
distance_type is signed
 
;0 conceptually this doesn't make sense
 
why?
difference_type is used to take the difference of two iterators
it can't be unsigned
 
I'm referring to distance being signed
 
first - last < 0 <=> first < last
if it would be unsigned, then first - last would probably be a huge positive number :/
 
@rightfold Since there seems to be a little disagreement: Table 28 specifies that for any Allocator type X, X::difference_type must be a "signed integer type". Most containers typedef their own difference_type to be an alias for the Allocator's difference_type.
 
5:47 PM
@gnzlbg then it's not a "distance" in the common mathematical sense
 
@BartoszKP that is why it is called difference_type, and not distance_type
 
13 mins ago, by gnzlbg
distance_type is signed
 
@BartoszKP There is no distance_type mentioned anywhere in the standard.
 
oops, my bad, iterator_traits defines difference_type :D
 
@gnzlbg all right : D
 

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