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2:02 PM
@login_not_failed I just think it's unfair to generalize to the whole of Boost, given that it really isn't true across all of Boost, and that Boost is a "loose federation" of libraries with different people involved in each.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm, from this point — yes, you're definetely right
 
@Rerito ...yes, I know?
"VS$year doesn't support $feature" is an extremely boring thing to say that likely provides no new information to anyone.
 
@SpongyFruitcake Yeah, but it has to be said as an expletive
 
In the same vein of unhelpful truthisms did you know that Steve Jobs is dead?
 
2:07 PM
Are you denying me my rights to curse VS<some_year>?
Our ancestors fought hard so we got these rights you ungrateful prick
 
No, I said that you're not brining any new information to the table
VS2010 is a walking dinosaur and I'd rather list the features that it supports than the ones it doesn't.
 
At least I won't have to take care of deleteing that new information
 
hardly even walking I must say*
more like crawling
 
@login_not_failed Walking, ha, it's like engrish for working
 
@Rerito lol
 
2:09 PM
@Rerito So I mean that if after what we saw (which is exactly what MacReady saw as well, except for the assimilation of Garry which we saw but MacReady easily deduced) Childs can still be human, Childs behaved rather out-of-character since the moment we stopped following his actions. I mean it's not inconceivable that a human Childs would act that way, but if we're supposed to believe it, it makes the writing seem shoddy to me since there's no foreshadowing or explanation for it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that plus no apparent breathing (from Childs only) while it's like -40°C outside
 
@Rerito Hah, that old chestnut :D That's a production error. MacReady's shots in the final scene were done at the Outpost #31 set, but Childs's shots were done in a studio.
They did lower the studio temperature, but didn't do it enough, as they didn't think to account for that.
We could still take it as it is on screen and ignore knowledge of the production, but any theory built on that needs to explain Bennings-Thing's breath.
(One can still explain the discrepancy away, but it changes a simple "definitely a Thing because he doesn't breathe" to "maybe, if this and that fact that were never established on screen about the Thing are true, then Childs is a Thing")
 
You did put a lot of thought in this movie
 
@Rerito Btw, did you know that the Norwegian camp shown on screen is the same set as Outpost #31 after it was blown up? (so those scenes were shot last)
 
But yeah now that you mention it, I clearly remember the bennings-thing breathing
Yeah
 
2:18 PM
@Rerito It is a bit of an obsession of mine. Not (yet) line-by-line, but I could recreate a pretty accurate script from memory :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what are your other movie obsessions? :>
 
The Norris thing seems to have emerged through a completely different process than the others
It's like he has been contaminated through food or beverage and the organism slowly took over him until his death
The others were following the same scheme: assault on an isolated crew member followed by an "external" assimilation in a short period of time
Then that's my view on the topic, I didn't read anything confirming this interpretation
 
@Rerito Yeah, that makes sense; it explains why the Thing didn't just fix the heart condition before it turned fatal, and Fuchs alluded to the food issue when he told MacReady they should each prepare their own food and only eat out of cans.
@login_not_failed I don't think I've watched, read, or thought about any other movie more than I have The Thing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes was hoping that you have more movies that you can describe as amusing as this one
 
You find that The thing is amusing? That's... weird
 
2:28 PM
nope, only how Martinho putting words together — it shows some degree of dedication to the movie
 
Have you ever watched it though?
If not, you ought to :)
 
your face
 
I heard about it a lot, never watched it yet though. But I still remember movies with similar plots like Alien, or that one episode from X-Files, where they stuck on some cold science complex with an alien parasite…
 
That X-Files episode was a direct homage to The Thing :D
 
yup!
should be 1:1
 
2:34 PM
hmm
I read the plot synopsis on Wikipedia but don't really get it
seems that the human characters repeatedly kill The Thing but then it just doesn't die
 
@Puppy The best part of the movie is the atmosphere.
 
and the twist that it suddenly isn't dead
 
@Puppy Because there's more than one Thing, but everyone uses "The Thing" to refer to all the Things collectively (both on-screen and when discussing it).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :o
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes All the things were hiding in the dog?
 
2:37 PM
inside puppy :>
 
not sure how the things got out of the dog and into the station personnel
 
that'll take one hell of a poo scoop
 
@Puppy No. It reproduces. The dog was the only Thing survivor from the Norwegian camp, and it made more Things in Outpost #31 before the humans unwittingly forced its hand and it revealed itself.
@Puppy Actually, that bit is never directly shown on-screen, but there's a scene establishing that it happens off-screen.
The dog found Palmer alone in his room and assimilated him.
 
hmm
that's a pretty fast reproductive cycle
 
It's never accurately established but it takes anywhere between a few minutes to a few hours.
 
2:41 PM
why does Blair eliminate the transports and the sled dogs? if he is the Thing then surely he wishes to escape
 
@Puppy It's not known whether he does that before or after being assimilated. I think it makes more sense if it was before.
 
agree
 
Also, there is a scene just before where he is alone doing research on the computer about The Thing; if he was The Thing it would definitely not do that.
 
so he probably tried to do everything he could, but got assimilated in the process by the last dog
 
@login_not_failed And then destroyed the radio? The radio is another way out.
Also, destroyed the radio and threatened to kill some of the humans. If he was a Thing by then, he wouldn't want to make the others doubt his motives.
 
2:45 PM
maybe assimilation isn't quick and he remained human for some time
 
I think it's easier to explain it if he was infected by Palmer or Norris while locked in the tool shed.
 
I'm kinda confused by the Thing's motives
the synopsis indicates that the Thing acts with intelligence, at least whilst in an intelligent host
why not just hide out in the original dog and just stay there?
 
good point
 
am also confused by whether or not the Thing needs to metamorphose to infect
if Blair was infected by Palmer or Norris, then the Thing infected him before metamorphosing
but in the beginning the Thing metamorphoses and then tries to infect the other dogs
 
maybe different things didn't have a clear idea what to do, so every one of them wanted to do something different
 
2:49 PM
@Puppy It wanted to infect the other dogs either to increase its chances of survival or because it likes to spread.
 
@login_not_failed Seems to me like the Thing gains intelligence/knowledge from whatever it assimilated, so in the dog, it was only dog-smart
 
@Puppy makes sense, actually
 
There is an editing mistake there where it isn't shown clearly that some time passed between when it was locked in the kennel and when it attacked.
 
maybe it was just hungry
but I guess that the dog must have known that the humans feed it regularly
 
It waited till everyone was asleep to attack the dogs, but the scene establishing the intervening time was cut and it isn't clear in the final cut that hours passed.
 
2:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I remember an anecdote about that cut when we see the dog thing approaching a lone human in an office through their shadows. They chose a tech guy rather than an actor so we couldn't know who was the target
 
@Rerito Yeah, but some of the crew clarified it was meant to be Palmer; they just picked some rando for the shadow because Palmer's sillhouette was too distinctive.
 
hm
am still thinking that the Thing made a big mistake by attacking the dogs
especially if it already spread to Palmer
it could have just kept spreading on the quiet infecting people one by one
seems like the Thing does try to employ subtlety in other situations so I guess I'm surprised that it would just blow it here
 
Sure, arguably a mistake. But there's no reason to think The Thing has perfect judgment.
 
true
 
@Puppy It seems the thing assimilates the knowledge of its hosts
 
2:55 PM
@Puppy It turned out wrong because Mac wasn't asleep (the scene that was cut has him spending time with a blow-up doll).
 
It's reasonable to assume that the dog thing has no knowledge about human mind beside a regular dog's pov
 
yeah, but the dog knows that the humans are on top of the food chain
 
@Rerito I don't think so; it clearly has imitated Norwegians before.
 
hell, it was lucky to escape from the other humans
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not necessarily
 
2:56 PM
the Thing should know enough by now to consider them a threat
 
@Rerito It's hard to explain what happened in the Norwegian camp otherwise.
 
It can be the "common" ancestor of norwegian guy things
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does the thing imitate them, or does it assimilate them?
 
It could be this: the thing started assimilating dogs at the norwegian camp, then humans. Maybe the dog thing that escaped is one of the "first" things
 
@Puppy I'd say it's just different names for the same process. I think "assimilate" is never used on-screen; only "imitate".
 
2:58 PM
In a branching model, it would be the common ancestor
 
@Rerito Oh, hmm. But it assimilated Palmer.
 
Which led to a "new branch" as the Palmer thing, not the dog one wouldn't it?
Well I'm just speculating
 
@Rerito I mean the dog would know something about humans when it did so.
 
don't know if the Things are distinct branches or if they can merge
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know; the synopsis doesn't indicate that knowledge travels back to the originating Thing in the process
 
@Puppy They can definitely merge (Blair-Thing does that), but there's also evidence that they're distinct when separate.
The blood test wouldn't work otherwise.
 
3:00 PM
then I guess I would expect dog-thing to know about humanity from Palmer-thing
 
In fact, Mac explicitly says that they're distinct parts when explaining the test.
 
and dog-thing to not blow it when Palmer can just go back to civilization and infect everybody
anyway got a meeting so gotta go, maybe I'll find time to actually watch it
 
@Puppy There's gore-y bits, btw. Assimilations aren't pretty.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd mostly agree, they are fundamentally a compromise. But equally, so is a normal desktop, you are sacrificing portability but gaining cheaper hardware that easier to upgrade. So yeah, I'd still say it depends very much what you want form a laptop, that might tell you that you don't really want a laptop in the first place.
 
3:03 PM
@Puppy Though even after dog-Thing blew it, there was no reason to suspect Palmer, and there was no reason to even suspect the Thing imitates humans.
What really blew it for the Thing was Split-Face being caught while trying to assimilate Bennings.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes in a perfect conditions, humanity wouldn't stand a chance against perfect decisions of things
 
Anyway, I should do some work today.
 
user1804599
3:20 PM
Eating bamboo
 
3:39 PM
@login_not_failed yeah, but it is established that it isn't always even intelligent. A crucial plot point is that there are Things that have only basic survival instincts and no smarts.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Isn't it already pretty much "tonight"? (and Friday night, at that?)
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah :grimace:
In my defense I had the morning off and I had some administrative stuff to finish.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So that should mean it's time to..not get work done for a while, shouldn't it? Or if you're going to do work, at least do something at home to make it a happier place.
 
@JerryCoffin I built a couch this morning, and installed a fridge. Enough work at home, me thinks.
(I moved last week)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, I guess that's enough for one day...
 
Xeo
4:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes having the morning off usually results in a half-day, and not working at 6pm...
 
@Xeo I didn't actually take the morning off because I expected the fridge delivered by 10:00, not 13:00 :/ And I'd rather make up for the hours lost than use up vacation days (plus, if I came in at 10, I'd leave after six anyway).
 
Xeo
ah, I guess
I always come in at 8 nowadays
leaves more time in the evening
 
user1804599
What's <*> called in LINQ?
 
user1804599
5:05 PM
Join, apparently. :v
 
What is millenniumbug called?
 
oh, right
 
5:24 PM
@rightfold hey
Why the av
 
5:40 PM
CNMN reports. US intelligence investigating possible involvement of russia in chemical attack in syria.. very interesting how it would end up.
 
5:56 PM
@ProblemSlover CNMN?
 
@wilx yeah man. Aparently, i've given a new name to CNN. :P
 
user1804599
6:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Because I like Fallout.
 
user1804599
7:06 PM
It is a great video game.
 
7:18 PM
You copied @milleniumbug though.
That's unnaceptable.
 
user1804599
> I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked God for forgiveness.
 
@rightfold lol
 
Frozen Throne is da best
 
7:55 PM
 
8:12 PM
@Feeds idgi
 
user1804599
@Mysticial She left, now he has to do it
 
@rightfold oooh
Is this a political joke? Or something else?
 
I think the joke is he wants to use the new one to dispose of the old one
 
user1804599
8:32 PM
Oh "could we use …", not "could you …"
 
user1804599
Ugh, Codsworth attacks me if I pickpocket a minuteman.
 
your collective faces
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I concur.
 
9:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's how I read it too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yep
 
It's incinerators all the way down.
 
9:21 PM
@StackedCrooked Incinerating each other until there's so much mass it forms a black hole.
 
user1804599
Incinerators gonna incinerate.
 
Incineration at incinerum.
 
9:36 PM
a incinerator is just a bigger heater right?
 
9:50 PM
An incinerator is a small star.
 
pretty sure stars give out heat by nuclear reaction not by burning off rubbish
 
user1804599
Imagine crisps.
 
user1804599
Now accept that you lack them.
 
My potato is no more
So, I was promised by the principal I could do some research during these weeks before the summer. No such fuckin luck apparently.
I just want my life to be somewhat predictable. Also, I'm too old for this shit.
 
10:06 PM
your face indicates otherwise
 
only if they use crematorium to bake pizza and potatoes ...
saves energy you know ...
 
10:35 PM
wait what kind of conversation did I just sign on to
@CaptainGiraffe :(
 
By running rsync in parallel (many instances), I get about a 2x performance improvement. The single thread for IO meme needs to die.
 
user1804599
git ssd
 
Dude I already got the SSDs, like six of them in RAID
Anyways, SSDs are for chumps, the future of storage is RAM
 
Hm, rsync requires both reading and writing. I suspect the delay caused by reads causes the write buffer to drain and become idle.
I wonder if dd would benefit from multiple threads.
Since it only writes to disk. No reading involved.
 
10:52 PM
So, some file systems like ZFS have non-trivial computational overhead
A few key MS utilities (like Robocopy) have a threading switch. Linux needs this.
 
11:32 PM
@jaggedSpire xD wat
 
11:43 PM
@thecoshman why, what draws you in this time?
@Mikhail What on earth would you be doing that makes the CPU the bottleneck.
@Mikhail You mean, in the OS famous for taking 2.5hrs before even starting to delete a directory tree, and then bailing out with some weird prompt at the second file because of permission errors?
Yeah. Makes sense to parallelize some operations if traversing the tree is so costly.
@Mikhail Most likely because rsync itself is CPU intensive, and often (a) works on a lot of meta-data (b) or inspects meta-data predominantly because of incremental bandwidth reductions
 
user1804599
11:59 PM
Hi sehe still awake
 
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