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12:00 AM
@Mysticial This obviously needs to be tested. I'm filling out a requisition for a Windows box with more than 64 cores right now. Science demands it!
 
If I ever get this "far memory" thing finished to the point where I can actually compute anything, it's probably gonna double up the size of the binaries. It's gonna involve a lot of "true" parallel programming. And one of the big things which I don't have a solution for yet is how to do asynchronous checkpointing.
@JerryCoffin There's a startup parameter to force the box to boot with multiple groups.
Stuff like a parallel memcpy() or a leading zero count are no-longer 1-liners in the environment that I'm working on.
Parallel memcpy() is easily done using a Map Reduce model.
 
@Mysticial Better to test with the right hardware, just to be sure.
 
Leading zero count (something I need to get the length of a number after destructive cancellation) needs to be done using a parallel prefix algorithm. Sequentially, it's just a fucking loop that iterates backwards.
 
@Borgleader They're pretty good at what they do.
 
Parallel addition is done using the Kogge-Stone algorithm which is a more complicated parallel prefix algorithm.
 
12:04 AM
@Borgleader I'd say this is less about them being bad than @Mysticial needing a girlfriend...
 
@JerryCoffin I don't deny that latter part. :) Not too much success yet.
 
Less pi more creampie
 
@Mysticial Unfortunately, I have no good advice to give about that.
 
ey loungelies
wassssuuuuuup
Today I encountered the mildly disconcerting situation where I walked in my apartment and discovered someone had put a...thing on my tap and placed a fluorescent lightbulb on my counter
I shortly discovered the note from management that they'd done the twice-annual apartment safety inspection, but boy was that a weird two seconds
I still don't understand the tap thing
 
@Borgleader oh goodness :)
@Borgleader you know me so well.
 
12:46 AM
maybe the tap thing is to filter out any lead?
I live in a rust belt city, but really, they inspected the schools around here and didn't find any infrastructure-level problems IIRC
just a few faucets and drinking fountains and replacing them solved the problem
 
1:04 AM
^ Awesome story
About how wrong things can go when doing the micro-service thing the wrong way.
 
1:30 AM
crashes at this one place & stack is not giving me any information :/
Is there really such a book? I feel like some sort of beef for lunch ...
 
hey @Mysticial is a Ryzen 7 1800X worth buying over e.g. an i7 7700k or an i7 6900k
when I read stuff online I'm getting like mixed signals
 
It depends what for I think, also I've read stories that a few games/apps got patched after the released of Ryzen and got a big boost to perf
so that answer might change over time
 
Depends on what you want:
- Single-threaded stuff: Core i7 7700k
- Multi-threaded stuff: Ryzen
- Games: Ryzen or 7700k depending on the game.
- Multi-threaded AVX stuff: Core i7 6900k
 
gaming/compiling/multi-threading
 
As far as price/value, the 1700 looks better since most of them will overclock up to the 1800X's speeds.
 
1:44 AM
@Mysticial The 1800X can OC past its own speed >.>
:P
 
@Rapptz Since you mention compiling, then the 6900k will be the fastest if you overclock it. But the 1800X is half the price.
@Borgleader Negligibly.
 
the 1700 OCs better?
 
thanks mate
 
@Borgleader The 1800X's have trouble getting above 4 GHz. Mine seems to have trouble at 4.0 GHz. It crashes in my pi program within a few minutes even when I overvolt the fuck out of everything.
Most of the 1700's will overclock up to 3.7 - 3.8 GHz.
 
I see, that's a bit unfortunate
 
1:47 AM
hmm
 
There's a hard wall at around 4 GHz for Ryzen. No matter how much voltage you throw into it, it doesn't want to go higher. That's probably why AMD is selling them at only 95W since there's no point in going higher since it gains you nothing.
If you go under LN2, you can push beyond 4 GHz at dangerously high voltages. But even those aren't entirely stable.
The 1700 also comes with a really cool RGB cooler.
I have the 1800X so I don't have that cooler. But I got the 1700 for a friend for his birthday. And that's when I realized how cool the stock cooler is.
 
lol how often do you stare at a cooler
 
I don't. He also doesn't have a window on his case. So it's kinda disappointing. But neither of us expected the stock cooler to have lights.
In any case, I think I've caught the RGB fever. So later this year when Skylake X and the 16-core Ryzens come out, I'll be shopping for a case with a window. And parts with RGB. (PSU, motherboard, AIO cooler, video card, and ram)
 
the only rgb thing I have is my mouse
a logitech g502
 
Though the ram is gonna be tricky. Because they don't do this to the highest end memory.
There are no 16GB RGB DDR4 sticks. Even the normal ones are really expensive ($100/stick). And I'm looking at 8 of them.
 
2:06 AM
128 GB of RAM? lol
 
@Rapptz what, do you not do that?
 
2:28 AM
So, robocopy keeps stalling, on my zfs/samba system in a predictable manner. I'm wondering if there is some kind of weird limit for the maximum number of files that samba can see in a directory.
Man, the Linux stack is so fucked.
 
3:05 AM
@Rapptz ...and I remember when people wondered what I was going to do with 8 whole megabytes of RAM. Why, that was utterly insane!
@Mikhail FreeBSD. Marginally less fucked.
 
3:32 AM
should I fix a crash that only happens when a user has made a really retarded mistake?
 
@Telkitty Much better to prevent the mistake in the first place, if at all possible.
 
text input
for address
 
"I installed this app to look at picture of cats (?), and now my phone is on fire"
 
and now for your daily MSDN C++ code example
 
needs more far pointer
 
3:36 AM
oh god
 
also not webscale
 
do you like the void main() and the resource leaks, though
 
`\\\\.\\mailslut\`
not to be confused with `\\\\.\\maleslut`
 
and the god damn GlobalAlloc what the fuck
 
they got stack allocs and simliar
Anyways, reading the Windows API conjurers a high pitched Bill Gates YELLING ENUMS AT YOU.
8
 
3:39 AM
lol
 
More serious issues include implicit O(M) (where M is a small number) operations almost everywhere dealing with resources. For example, to get your resolution of your monitor you need to iterate over all monitors attached to the computer.
 
what the fuck are you serious
 
how is that weird?
there can be multiple monitors lol
 
Ideally you'd ask it for the size of monitor 0,1,2,3,4. Instead of the slightly O(N) approach.
 
serious problem: people have hardware
 
3:43 AM
It iterates over all of them to give you the specified one?
 
So, some geniuses, (like the guys at Qt) cache these results. But obviously stuff happens when you plug in a new monitor, which invalidates the cache.
 
@jaggedSpire no
 
Anyways, the Windows API has a lot of O(N) stuff hiding in the corners. And thats an actual design problem.
 
you pass a handle to a monitor
and to get a handle to different monitors you can enumerate over them
honestly it's not a surprising API so iunno what mr. mikhail is complaining about
 
At a guess Windows' general everything
My problem is more specifically the routinely shit code examples in their stuff
and a bit of the shit documentation
 
3:47 AM
So, to get the monitor handles, you need to call EnumDisplayMonitors which goes through all monitors.
 
well, a lot of the shit documentation
if the documentation weren't so shit maybe I wouldn't have found that one MSDN code example snuck into the codebase like a rotting goose
 
@Mikhail or... any of the MonitorFromX functions
 
probably still would have if I'm honest with myself
 
Yeah, but basically these commands have a small O(N) factor in them...
 
3:51 AM
how do you know that MonitorFromWindow is implemented in terms of a loop using EnumDisplayMonitors?
 
It has to do an intersection test, EnumDisplayMonitors might actually be faster...
 
you can change the behaviour?
 
4:47 AM
> JavaScript is essentially a becoming a ~native~ language (like C, C++, Java)
6
 
4:59 AM
@SpongyFruitcake JavaScript. Just from the name I can tell it must be native, just like Java.
 
5:17 AM
@SpongyFruitcake eeeeeurgh
where did you find that?
 
Hackernews, where else?
 
ah yes, how foolish of me
you know I forget it exists sometimes
 
star for finding a quote of such hackle-raising stupidity
and with that I bid you good night
 
All I had to do was open a hackernews thread at random, really.
Good night to you too~
 
5:23 AM
more than I can stomach
jesus, on SO there'd be people crawling down his throat with knives within seconds of putting that in a question
 
You may be surprised to learn Hackernews hates SO with a passion
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@thecoshman Most Kotlin videos aren't that good... maybe it's time we produced our own? ;)
 
@SpongyFruitcake Same with quora
If I browse C++ questions there's about a 0.5 probability that some dude will rant about SO
 
5:55 AM
Admittedly, SO is pretty fucked for people who ask questions because discussion is not permitted, and pretty fucked for people who want to answer questions because SO refused to filter out bad questions. After a few years, all the easy "black and white" questions were asked and answered.
 
@Mikhail I’m closing this message as 'not constructive'
 
and meta
I've spent another day fighting with the Linux high density storage stack. Basically, ZFS caps out at ~500 MB/s (which is half of a HW raid but FML). sFTP goes at about this rate. But Samba literally hangs on the client side for large copies, aka robocopy hits a wall and stops copying files, neither client nor server show errors or appreciable CPU use. My operating theory is that the Linux eco system is broken to ensure the job security of IT professionals.
 
Just finished watching The Shining for one of my classes. All I have to say is that I have no idea how it's considered classic horror except that it's not classic horror. The only thing which really made it good in my eyes was that it wasn't cliche, and that's also why it seems not so good to me.
 
6:11 AM
Still haven't seen that one.
 
From what I understand, the book is quite good. If you have the time, it's okay to watch, but I really had no idea what the story tried to accomplish. No character archs or denouement, but Chandler would be proud
 
@Aaron3468 Honestly, I found it boring when I watched it
 
6:32 AM
why is my laptop asking me to update macOS every 2 weeks nowadays?
and every time I update it, something breaks
kind of don't really want to update anything since nothing is broken
given the local kookaburra a massive bone with some meat on it
the bird doesn't know what to do with it
 
6:53 AM
welp back in Poland
> C++, SE and Patterns expert.
lol I just noticed that in the ** guy's Twitter desc
 
@Rerito Yeah, the pacing is really slow and the tension is minimal
 
7:09 AM
@Aaron3468 And I had a friend who sold it to me like it was such a masterpiece
More like a masterpiece of shit if you ask me
 
I like the slow pacing
What would you say is a masterpiece of horror?
 
The ring
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The thing
 
who would have thought a long haired woman in flimsy wet dress crawling in your room would be scary?
 
I don't think The Thing is even considered in that league widely
 
7:18 AM
@BartekBanachewicz We are indeed talking about the one from 1982 right?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It can definitely be effective, though the acting needs to be really skillful to work
 
@Rerito that's still #1 for me.
 
But then, the number one horror masterpiece is Teach yourself C++ in 21 days
 
@Rerito yeah. I Iiked it, but I didn't think of it as "classic horror"
 
It's the best horror
 
7:21 AM
but then again I don't watch too many horrors in the first place
 
The tension builds really well throughout the film
It's also technically good considering the means they had to produce it
 
I always thought about it more as just sf
 
I gotta say I felt most unexpectedly this morning- thank fuck for Donald Trump
 
The scifi elements in The Thing are really tangential
There's a spaceship
That's it.
 
Oh and even the music is great
 
7:23 AM
Tum tum
 
On a side note the 2011 prequel was quite good. I found it to be a good homage to the original one
 
I didn't like it at all. It's a cheap imitation of Carpenter's.
 
oh come on, I don't deserve a star? :(
 
Which is poetic, given the nature of the monster, but still.
 
@Puppy nope
attention puppies don't deserve star bones
 
7:26 AM
I think I've watched Carpenter's more than 15 times
easily 4 times in the last year
 
I think I watched it 15 times last year :D
 
(It's a lower bound though hehe)
It must be on par with Matrix as the movie I watched the most times
 
The prequel's plot is too constrained by the original to be interesting, it fails to build the tension that made the original so good, and it makes plot turns that make no sense like activating the spaceship (if it was working, the Thing wouldn't be buried in the ice)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah and some approximative rationale with the plumbing/earing thing
 
Also, to be honest, "what happened at the Norwegian camp?" was never a question that needed answering.
I guess I just don't like the idea of adding to Carpenter's version: a prequel is boring and predictable plotwise, and a sequel ruins the ending.
 
7:33 AM
What's your pov of the ending? Is Childs the thing?
 
Can't say for sure, but I think so
If he isn't, then I'll have to accept the idea that his character's final bits were poorly written :D
 
The Dyatlov Pass incident (Russian: Гибель тургруппы Дятлова) refers to the mysterious unsolved deaths of nine ski hikers in the northern Ural Mountains on February 2, 1959. The experienced trekking group, who were all from the Ural Polytechnical Institute, had established a camp on the slopes of Kholat Syakhl when disaster struck. During the night something made them tear their way out of their tents from the inside and flee the campsite inadequately dressed in heavy snowfall and sub-zero temperatures. Soviet investigators determined that six victims died from hypothermia while others showed signs...
real thriller/horror
 
@BartekBanachewicz woof :(
I thought it was a good conversation starter anyway
 
I don't like forced tension, and taking Childs off screen with the lousy excuse he gives just to create tension in the end seems like poor writing.
 
@Puppy I have a better one
 
8:17 AM
@Telkitty who gives a shit
 
err ... those people who died & their family & friends?
 
@fredoverflow I'm all up for helping you working on quality material. I just don't know if I have much time to spare for it, or if I know Kotlin well enough. I can certainly help with reviewing material or places to host it, though maybe host as part of the lounge github account as a new project there?
 
and your mac
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think it's just to add tension, it's to drive suspicion onto him without confirming he's actually the thing
 
@Telkitty my rule number one. do my best to minimise the number of totally useless information
 
8:21 AM
stop copying me
 
And all the elements are there to make us think he is the thing without letting us know
This is a fantastic ending (in both meanings of the word :D)
 
@Telkitty you seem dont even try
Running billion worth startup in tiny Hong Kong at age of 25 is worth a lot of effort..
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-06/25-year-old-may-soon-give-hong-kong-its-first-1-billion-startup
 
I find it curious that during interviews Terence Kwok openly admits Tink Labs' business model is selling audio recording of Chinese government officials' liaison with prostitutes to other Chinese government officials.
 
nwp
8:46 AM
Oct 9 '16 at 20:40, by rightfold
Also, there is literally no reason at all ever in the universe of the past the current and the future to not plonk Telkitty.
 
:O
How did I only just think of the fact I can mute tabs in chrome! FUCK YOU PLINK NOISE!
Never again will I have to worry about about the rage that is induced when you bullshit way of muting you fails
 
réactions rigolotes sur "Chaque matin, elle met le réveil à 6h30 car elle craint une nouvelle perquisition" cc @SpongyFruitcake
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@nwp I'm too stupid to understand the reason of pinging me .
 
@thecoshman until you restart your browser...
 
nwp
@ProblemSlover Because it solves the problem of you having to read irrelevant things that telkitty says. That seemed relevant to you.
 
8:55 AM
@ratchetfreak I rarely do that
 
@nwp Ok Thanks man. I will just put telkitty to the ignore list like most do here.
enough useless junk
 
@nwp I would not listen to a retard
 
nwp
@Telkitty not sure if that is meant to support or refute the point
 
9:13 AM
@LucDanton Très bon en effet
Je me levais vers 6h30 pour aller au lycée
 
@LucDanton Reddit est bloqué ici :'(
 
ça c'est pas grave, ton problème principal c'est VS2010
 
Puis-je requérir un florilège ?
 
Y'en a trop de bien (srx)
 
@Shoe @R.MartinhoFernandes Nomic dead?
 
9:35 AM
@ProblemSlover What irony
 
10 messages moved to bin
@BartekBanachewicz A $3.999 computer?
4/8 cores, I have had for years.
16GiB? Chump change. Have 32 GiB for years. And I have enough money to spare to buy it again.
 
@sehe that's how much I'm planning to pay for a Razer anyway
 
Link?
 
but that's a laptop
 
9:40 AM
I mean, if it's a seriously beefy workstation, and it's not loud as a jet, makes sense.
 
I was browsing MBPs
@sehe I kinda want this one for my next machine
but the next one I actually pick will probably be a new laptop for work
Dell Precision 5510 costs $2400 in semi-top specs I think
 
@BartekBanachewicz O hope the price tag includes that core. Looks interesting then.
Otherwise, still only 16Gib and i7 (may work dell has that for far less)
 
Dell is problematic for me
they have the XPS which look nice and are nicely designed, but they are basically semi-pro. Then there's latitude which is heavy and bulky and looks like shit
 
Disagree. I hold one (actually two, my wife's work laptup is also one) and it handles lightly and sits sleek.
 
this is the only one that's kinda passable for work, but I'm not sure if my company allows me to order it :S
 
9:44 AM
Agree it /looks/ bulky. A bit like 80's Volkswagen
 
I had the 7000 series Latitude in Austria this week and it's really meh
there were some older 13" Latitudes that were kinda okay-ish but right now all the new ones look meh
and the screens are super bad (esp. compared to superior Dell desktop screens)
 
XPS 13 is great.
 
Oh well. I'm not hipster enough I guess. I have had the tank-style laptops and the Dell Lat. 7450 is a breath of fresh air, both performing well and being very portable. And the bettery life is exceptional
 
Only issue is the fucking auto-brightness on the FHD screen.
 
@SpongyFruitcake it is, but I wouldn't want it for a work laptop
 
9:45 AM
Well then don't
 
@BartekBanachewicz That may be true. I do hardly use the screen. I attributed this to my eyesight, largely, but you may be right
 
and again so far I've seen Precision, Latitude and Apple stuff around my company
 
user1804599
Hi Baltek
 
hi lolfold
 
user1804599
I learned recursion schemes
 
9:47 AM
nice
teach me someday
also the most meh part about our hw policy: Docking stations: are no longer issued, a machine agnostic port replicator is available instead.​​
 
user1804599
You take the recursion out of the type and out of the function
 
user1804599
Now you put it somewhere else!
 
brilliant, ship it
 
user1804599
That's happened, yes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz does make sense, if you ask me. I just hook up the ~5 cables (counting the headphones)
Takes 15s of time
Detaching, less.
 
9:49 AM
oooooooooh
Power Users actually get 5520
 
And then I have 3 monitors.
 
Intel® Core™ i7-7820HQ (Quad Core)
15.6" UltraSharp™ UHD 4K Touch (3840x2160) Wide View LED-backlit
32GB (2x16GB) 2400MHz DDR4 Non-ECC Memory
1TB (M.2 PCIe) SSD
do want.
@sehe I do as well
I'd probably just buy a dock for myself
 
@sehe 1 per thread?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is this what you have at work?
 
It may be meh but I don't mind that at all.
 
9:50 AM
@Rerito that's what's apparently gonna be issued now
 
Wow nice
 
@SpongyFruitcake Slight smile
@BartekBanachewicz Now we're talking.
 
@sehe what happened to your famed sheepish grin
 
It's on vacation. Baaaaaah
 
beeeeeeh
 
9:51 AM
Conversation of sophistication
 
@Rerito if you meet customers you can also get an SFP
 
Sheep it
 
@sehe ovistication!
 
@BartekBanachewicz What's an SFP?
@SpongyFruitcake Jdm validé
 
@Rerito surface pro
 
@Xeo lmao
 
11:05 AM
@thecoshman It's robot's turn
 
11:47 AM
gonna wait 5 years more for decent laptop... only noisy heating junks are around. :/
 
12:04 PM
@ProblemSlover depends what you want from a laptop really
@Shoe I'd say we could wait a while :\ but you're still interested in playing right?
 
@thecoshman ye
 
cool
 
@thecoshman I want it to be a sex toy :D
 
@SpongyFruitcake VS2010 can't aggregate initialization. That's absolutely barbaric
 
@ProblemSlover how brave are you?
 
12:08 PM
@thecoshman :P
 
@thecoshman expect nothing
 
user1804599
 
12:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz que?
 
@thecoshman laptops are generally quite disappointing regardless of what you want from them
 
12:39 PM
@Rerito le gasp! an ancient compiler can't do modern things that came into being after it was released!
 
@Mgetz Shhhh don't deny me my fundamental right to rant about MSVC
 
@Rerito trust me, there is plenty to rant about VS2017
 
@Mgetz but it can do most of the C++14 stuff! so there are less things to be upset about
 
12:54 PM
VS 2017 is buggy shit.. can't even upgrade without issues..
 
@login_not_failed and yet I had to manually install the latest SDK instead of it being offered with the latest update
 
I mean, obviously, when you have a stable version :D
if you want pure extreme, launch your project in msvs 2010 and count how many hundreds (thousands probably) of errors it will count
2010 is so outdated, it's ridiculous
 
@login_not_failed it's almost like it's 7 years old really it's ridiculous
 
Nice Overclock..
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R12B2MIBSFVEVR/
 
1:18 PM
they've replaced the showerhead and the bathroom sink faucet head as well. And left me another lightbulb.
 
now() is a function you can't assign a function to a time_pointMgetz 25 secs ago
 
> enter image description here
 
@milleniumbug there are reasons I voted to close
 
rubs hands oh boy!
surprisingly coherent question, all told. One day he's going to look back on this and go "I can't believe I didn't know that oh jeez"
otoh he really needs to use a good c++ book to learn the language because he's clearly not
 
@jaggedSpire I almost felt bad for downvoting
it seems like he's actually trying to follow idiom too
 
1:27 PM
yep
there we go, added comment link to books list. OP said he was learning from internet tutorials so maybe a less scattered learning mechanism will help him
 
yea, good call
 
lol
10
excellent job there hmatar
hm
 
Ven
nice
 
wonder if giving OP of Good Intentions links to online compilers would help him learn?
it'd allow immediate access to a few different compilers for small bits of code. If he's using MSVC odds are he's using the IDE and has to open up a project when he's playing with it
 
if his intentions are serious, he will surely appreciate it (as long as you didn't provide Knuth's books for the start, then he would probably try to hunt you down :D)
 
1:41 PM
:P
 
@jaggedSpire lol why this passed the review when one person accepted and 3 rejected it
snack overflow so silly
 
guise, what's the most elegant way to initialize an optional according to a condition
 
Conditional op?
 
Is something akin to optional<T> stuff = (condition) ? none : T(blahblah); ok?
I've not tested yet but will the compiler resolve the common type here?
 
I wouldn't bet on it.
 
Xeo
1:47 PM
lol no
 
I thought so
 
no, it wouldn't
 
Xeo
boost::optional has some ctor that takes a bool IIRC
 
if you don't care about lazy, you could use make_optional
 
@Xeo A bool and a factory or a bool and a value?
 
1:48 PM
let me see if std::optional has it
 
Xeo
value :>
 
Xeo
there was also some factory thing, but without bool I think
 
@Xeo That sounds pointless.
 
Xeo
auto stuff = (condition) ? optional<T>{} : T(...); should work tho
god I hate the Boost.Optional docs
can't find shit
 
s/\.Optional//
 
Xeo
yeah, eventually ended up there
> optional ( bool condition, T const& v )
> template<class InPlaceFactory> explicit optional ( InPlaceFactory const& f )
:>
 
Oh, the factory is just for emplacing.
 
linked rextester, wandbox, ideone and coliru for the guy
 
Xeo
template<class... Args> explicit optional ( in_place_init_if_t, bool condition, Args&&... args )
that one's new
that's the one you want
 
1:53 PM
as some people are saying, boost's documentation is "spartan"
 
nwp
@jaggedSpire no godbolt?
 
Xeo
optional<T> stuff(in_place_init_if, condition, blahblah);
 
@nwp thanks
 
@jaggedSpire lol
 
@login_not_failed Dunno, I never got that impression. Boost.Optional docs, for example, would be worse if they were bigger.
 
1:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes some stuff, like boost python, is lacking a lot of details
 
@Xeo That's perfect, except that... VS2010 here :D
So I ended up with the auto blob = (!cond) ? optional<T>() : T(blabla);
 
godbolt is pretty interesting to say the least >:o feel robbed for never knowing about it
 
@Rerito Yeah, but what I mean is that there's no reason for Childs to act the way it did if it were human. It's implausible that Childs is human and acted the way it claimed when confronted by MacReady.
 
It's pretty fun to mess with in general. I'm glad nwp reminded me of it.
 
Standing guard, sees Blair(-Thing), runs off to meet Blair(-Thing) without even alerting the others? They're just a few metres away in the tool shed.
 
1:58 PM
and now it is time for work
toodles
 
I already know where I will spend my weekend :D
 
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