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3:00 AM
@CatPlusPlus No, not always. Not even close to always. For a lot of communication, adding even slightly to the power bill (for example) to encrypt data that doesn't need to be is simply throwing away money.
@Nemo Pedantic alert: that was vulgarity, not cursing. :-)
 
I suppose that servers themselves are the fastest machines and find computation trivial, but they also derive the greatest benefit from reducing computation; it translates directly into a few thousand more connections it can keep up with
Oh, Jerry just went into that topic
 
user406009
@Nemo If you want information on what algorithms people are actually using, you can look at what is supported by TLS. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security#Algorithm
 
Got me there. x3
 
Existing infrastructure is a poor argument when we're in process of ripping out non-encrypted streams from wherever we can due to data being increasingly more valuable and dangerous to leak
 
Ooh cool thanks ouo
 
3:01 AM
@Aaron3468 Oh please, have you ever ran a server
Unless all you do is TLS and literally nothing else, TLS is simply irrelevant cost
 
I think for nonessential high rate packets, no encryption is fine. For example, movement packets in an MMO or FPS
 
@CatPlusPlus Tiny ones, but admittedly not enough to have confidence to do more than speculate
 
We needed them sent as quick as possible
 
It's definitely not "thousand more connections"
 
Save a thousand connections, disable a TLS
 
3:03 AM
TLS terminators don't need much resources at all, and you're always going to be bottlenecked on whatever is sitting behind them
 
user406009
For some actual figures, imperialviolet.org/2010/06/25/overclocking-ssl.html has some figures from when google switched everything to SLL in 2010.
 
user406009
> On our production frontend machines, SSL/TLS accounts for less than 1% of the CPU load, less than 10KB of memory per connection and less than 2% of network overhead.
 
Neat :0
 
Esp that we're shifting from relatively heavy RSA to elliptic curves that provide the same strength with much smaller keys
 
Elliptic keys are scary for the uninitiated ;w;
 
3:06 AM
But think of the power bill savings
All these cents
Over a whole datacenter you might save a coffee at Starbucks per month!
 
@CatPlusPlus Interesting. I knew that it's now faster to compress a stream and decompress on the other side than to send it raw. Apparently there was a point in time when the computation would have been a bottleneck
 
Google or something is actually trying to power their DCs with solar, that's how you optimise power costs
 
zlib's like...crazy fast >u<
 
@Aaron3468 Some 10 years ago maybe
Probably more
 
I think most web servers by default enable page compression don't they?
I know Apache and Abyss X1 do
 
3:09 AM
Yeah, memory and network has increasingly been the bottleneck for everything . It's quite impressive how powerful even basic android phones are, even though they seem puny.
 
Compressing pages that have user-provided content on them is problematic, interacts badly with encryption
It's usually the statics that are compressed, and typically you can just compress them once
 
I wouldn't know anything about that, sadly .~.
Still new to web stuff
 
@Aaron3468 depends on compression speed and ratio of course
 
In HTTP world you also want to use TLS always because browsers will only try HTTP/2 on TLS streams
The point is mostly to not reinvent this shit because it's complicated
 
Understatement of the year right there
>~>
~Lounge()
 
3:31 AM
So apparently this thing has a publication:
 
3:44 AM
"when you're trying to write a paper, but your teammates are jerking off instead"
 
I know that feeling. <~<
 
Ven
4:11 AM
@Borgleader awww
 
One of my books went missing years ago and I recently ordered a used copy online and it's my actual missing book https://t.co/NF4nH9RJ9j
@R.MartinhoFernandes Somehow I think this would appeal to your book sensibilities
 
Ven
4:27 AM
also Hi
 
One more hour...
 
What happens in an hour?
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire what's your localtime?
 
I'll be done with work for the day and also week.
It is presently 10:35 PM and I did this to myself
 
Oh!
Always good news ouo
 
Ven
4:38 AM
@jaggedSpire oh! it's 5:38am
 
8:38 PM here <u<
 
4:56 AM
I'ma go ahead n pop out, it's kinda dead n this laptop can barely run notepad without catching fire. <3 hearts
 
 
5:48 AM
hahahaaaaaaa
yessss
Three-day weekend
@Borgleader What a wonderfully adorable kitty! Thank you <3 <3 <3
 
@jaggedSpire Not to do any one upsmanship, but my kids have 4 days off. I, however, get the usual (which is about one hour, by the time my wife is done with things).
 
@JerryCoffin ouch
This was the longest day I've put in since college, though. 13 hours of work.
inb4 cry me a river
 
friday the 13th
 
I don't know how many cups of caffienated tea I had, but I did have two coffees.
Considering I usually have one when I'm feeling particularly tired...
 
6:16 AM
He often offered victims nighttime lifts in his police car before taking them to remote locations where he raped and killed them, leaving their naked bodies in woods on roadsides.
time to distrust police (more)
 
hm
bedtime, I think.
 
 
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8:29 AM
@Borgleader Sure they are :
 
8:50 AM
@fredoverflow uncle bob still considered harmful
> Who exactly is "Uncle Bob"? I've seen articles posted here for years like he's some respected author, but yet every time it seems like the general consensus is that he is talking utter rubbish.
it's not often that I agree with people on reddit
 
9:04 AM
@sehe Q_Q
I don't reorder books I lost.
 
9:15 AM
@fredoverflow yes, many people seem to have missed the point
He's not saying power plants should be built and tested later after seeing how they break, he's saying, with a bad example, that you shouldn't simply rely on a system that prevents mistakes but you can turn off that prevention. Either you can never ever do that, or you always can and you just test it properly
 
9:32 AM
Excitement people! I'll be here In Germany Sun 12th to Fri for a work course. MEET UP!!!!
oh cool, it's real close to an S stop, and not much more to a U stop
 
@thecoshman that's still bollocks
he criticised strongly typed languages because they are more strict than java
that's about it
static checking is a form of testing, it just doesn't involve running the code
 
And you still fail to see his point
 
@thecoshman there's no point there, it's just an uneducated rant
> The problem with Uncle Bob's post is that he seems stuck in a two-decade-old dichotomy between the popular-but-sucky typed languages and the popular-but-sucky untyped ones.
 
10:00 AM
Bartek is not missing it, he's just ignoring the point because it's nonsense.
In a sensible language you can't just turn off static type safety.
And no proponent of strongly typed languages is saying we shouldn't write tests.
Not even Bartosz is claiming that we currently have the technology to never write tests and always rely on static checks.
The actually important point is that type safety allows you to avoid writing tests that are covered by it, and arguing for doing differently is like arguing to build a car yourself instead of using a ready-made one.
 
@Griwes Well, some of those tests are practically impossible to write. Like e.g. testing whether a String is "null" in Haskell. If the invalid states can't ever exist, you can't ever express them, even in a test.
 
@BartekBanachewicz aaaaand now you missed a point that was agreeing with you. Congrats :D
 
@Griwes Did I? I think I supplemented what you said.
> type safety allows you to avoid writing tests that are covered by it
> in fact, it makes writing them impossible
 
@BartekBanachewicz I wasn't talking in the context of Haskell; I was talking about this in the context of the original post from Uncle Bob, who suggested we should wander away from statically type-safe languages.
 
@Griwes Neither was I. I brought up a Haskell example, but of course this will still stand about pretty much every static invariant.
Uncle Bob said that because one can go around a type system that's "too strict", and is inclined to not write tests because it's strict, they can be left with neither type safety nor tests.
Now obviously for things that you can actually go around in production code, you can test that behaviour. Null safety isn't one of those things in most of the languages though.
 
10:12 AM
@Mysticial That is a whole lot of gold.
 
10:30 AM
I wonder if I would be able to get away with downloading over and over the 90days trial dev vm of windows 10...
or would it be too much a pita
 
10:58 AM
@Telkitty If you live in Siberia.
 
@Griwes I'd go with "running your own crash tests after you bought a car that is not certified"
@thecoshman I work one stop from there.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
Wait what's "Sun 12th" mean?
This Sunday is the 15th.
 
Ell
@Griwes what is a sensible language to you? :P
 
11:14 AM
@Griwes You need that for practical reasons, like calling C code.
So maybe you want s/sensible/ideal/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oooh yeah, February :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How is calling C code a sensible action? :D
 
I don't think it's sensible to be impractical.
 
just globally harness excellent results and all will be good
 
And sadly being practical means C interop.
 
Ell
11:20 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suppose in some circumstances that doesn't need to mean losing type safety, right
 
Does Rust rely on C interop, or just allow it?
 
Ell
if you have a C FFI
 
It's not realistic to not call C code, but I'm pretty sure calling it is not actually sensible. :P
 
@Ell C is pretty much weakly typed
 
Ell
and you use the right type to describe the C function, then you don't lose safety
 
11:20 AM
given the ridiculously limited C type system, it migth not be there really
 
All your type and memory safety goes out the window once you call C code.
 
@Ell How do you call f(void*) without throwing away all type safety?
 
he prolly meant functions that take ints or something
 
Ell
It depends what the void* represents
you have something like IntPtr or whatever
 
@Ell it represents a nullable pointer to anything
 
Ell
11:21 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I mean the parameter, not the type
 
You can wrap that within a safe layer, but you can't get rid of that one unsafe operation.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes why is it unsafe if you've wrapped it though? :S
 
@Ell that's as good as dynamic typing
 
@Ell Sometimes it literally means a pointer to anything.
@Ell I mean the unsafe bits are there.
 
11:22 AM
@Ell because it can't be a trivial wrapper to be safe
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not saying it has to be trivial though
 
You need to test that, and you need to test for type errors.
 
you can't just say "I'm calling this C function with this"
 
Ell
and ftr I don't think every c function can be called safely
 
I don't think any C function can be called safely
 
Ell
11:23 AM
but if you have some code with well described invariants, you can give an FFI interface which is safe
 
@Ell Limiting yourself to the ones that can is not practical.
 
No C function can be called safely, since you don't know what goes on under the hood.
 
if you wanted Safe Haskell safety, you'd need to run the C code in a separate process
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good point.
 
Ell
@Griwes as long as you abide by the interface, you're calling it safely are you not?
 
11:24 AM
@Ell You don't know if its implementation is memory-safe.
 
Ell
memory-safe?
 
It's most certainly not type-safe since C isn't really type safe, but even memory safety goes out the window once you call an unsafe language (in this case, C).
 
@Ell it could be buggy
 
Ell
I mean interface in the sense that includes following what the docs say
@BartekBanachewicz it could be, but you could have shown it not to be
 
Memory safety is a concern in software development that aims to avoid software bugs that cause security vulnerabilities dealing with random-access memory (RAM) access, such as buffer overflows and dangling pointers. Computer languages such as C and C++ that support arbitrary pointer arithmetic, casting, and deallocation are typically not memory safe. There are several approaches to find errors in such languages: see the Detection section below. Most high-level programming languages avoid the problem by disallowing pointer arithmetic and casting entirely, and by enforcing tracing garbage collection...
 
11:25 AM
@Ell You're not, because C interfaces cannot express all the rules required by your type system.
 
@Ell could you?
 
@Ell The interface has no guarantees of "I won't write over your stack".
There's literally no way to say that in C.
 
Ell
I'm talking about the interface that the programmer describes, not the one which his C interface describes
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Ell that's as good as dynamic typing
 
@Ell But then you have to test it yourself.
 
11:26 AM
C is insufficient to describe the entire interface of the function.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes test what? the c function?
@Griwes I know - I'm not talking about the C interface though
 
@Ell That you're maintaining safety in the call.
@Ell If you follow this at face value, any function can be void* f(void*).
 
@Ell It doesn't matter if your wrapper interface for the C interface is type and memory safe if the C function behind the interface is not type and memory safe.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but that's just what I said -.-
 
The parameter is a pointer to a list of all the arguments (as described by the programmer), and the return value is a pointer to a list of all the results (as described by the programmer).
 
11:28 AM
By calling C code from a safe language, you're saying "I'm trusting the C programmer who wrote that function".
Never trust a C programmer.
8
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, let's say you have void foo(void* f) which shouldn't be called with f as nullptr, then in the "calling language", you can have your interface look like void foo(NotZeroIntPtr f) or something
then you know that f will never be 0 by the type system, so where do you need to test?
 
5 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Ell Limiting yourself to the ones that can is not practical.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, I guess that's a matter of degree
 
@Ell You need to test that foo doesn't try, for example, to dereference a null pointer on Tuesdays.
That's the whole point - C is not sufficiently safe to provide you with enough guarantees in the interface.
 
Ell
@Griwes why do you need to test that? foos interface according to the programmer says it accepts any f - not one specifically that may not be dereferenced if today is a tuesday
 
11:31 AM
@Ell Okay, let me say this in other words.
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Ell that's as good as dynamic typing
 
@Ell This interface is still not typesafe, if the argument is, say, a pointer to an array of ints.
 
You need to test the C function for compatibility with your wrapper interface.
 
if there's a lack of formal guarantees on the interface, you can't safely assume they hold
you can unsafely assume they hold
that's why the C# keyword is called "unsafe"
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz right, but I'm saying that there isn't a lack of formal guarantees on the interface
 
11:31 AM
You need to actually test if the guarantees that you prove on the wrapper interface level hold once you make an actual C call.
 
Ell
C's typechecker isn't the only way to make formal guarantees
 
Your wrapper interface has proper safety guarantees.
 
@Ell and we're saying that you're wrong there. The C type system lacks them, so they can't possibly be there.
 
The C interface doesn't.
 
@Ell Well it is the only way available to a C programmer.
 
11:32 AM
You need to test whether the static guarantees of your interface are the same as the actual behavior of the C interface.
 
@Ell If they're not expressed in the language, the safety is not in the language. I don't see what's left there to argue.
 
In yet other words: your high-level wrapper interface states some axioms that won't be proven by the high level safe language; they will be assumed.
 
So you have to put it elsewhere (tests == docs here; relying on either is accepting you lost on static safety)
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes okay, I agree
 
For the whole thing to actually work, you need to test whether those axioms hold when you call the C function.
 
11:33 AM
@Griwes Precisely
 
Ell
But you can call (C + formal proofs) safely from a safe language, which I guess is what I mean
 
@Ell it's not statically verified and thus not statically safe, which was the point here
 
The "formal proofs" are not really formal proofs, and merely tests.
 
you are the person carrying the proof over. You might make a mistake.
 
You can't formally prove that the C code is correct from void * foo(void *).
 
11:35 AM
@Griwes They are if you look at the code and write them.
 
The whole point in automatic provers is that they don't make mistakes
 
But that never happens.
 
breaking the link at any point leaves a room for error
 
Agreed on both points.
 
Ell
my point is
 
11:35 AM
If I have to look at foreign code and prove it correct, I might as well just rewrite it correct.
 
Ell
that let's say I want to call some seL4 microkernel C functions from my idris program - I can do this safely
 
@Ell ... under the assumption that the foreign code is safe.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, that's why I chose seL4 as an example
 
A.k.a. under the assumption that you trust the C programmer.
8 mins ago, by Griwes
Never trust a C programmer.
 
Ell
@Griwes well, sort of
you can write proofs about certain C programs
 
11:38 AM
@Ell But any example where someone else already wrote the tests would work.
 
@Ell But in most cases all you'll get will be the signature of the function.
You can't prove anything having just the signature.
 
The point is that someone has to do those tests.
 
Ell
@Griwes at which point, yes I agree you're out of luck
 
Everything needs tests, but things written in a safer language eliminate the need for whole classes of tests (modulo compiler bugs, etc)
 
writing in-house software is different from developing software that caters for everyone
because the former, you know the system it's going to be running on, you have less users and thus, generally you have less unpredictability
the later ... you never know how feral your wildest user is going to be
 
11:45 AM
Culture and Education committee of EU parliament is using CULT as abbreviation. How ominous.
 
what LT stands for? learning and teaching?
 
Ell
they need better marketing :P
 
Ven
@Griwes I'd even say:
Never trust a C programmer.SHELL=/usr/bin/shUSER=venHISTORY_FILE=PATH=/usr/bin
Segmentation Fault (core dumped)
 
Also, I got a 4th reply on my Czech EU MPs email. She, her fraction, they do not share the views of Redy, the speaker on the Copywrongs 2.0 video.
So far not a very good score.
 
12:07 PM
good afternoon
have you ever seen a std::vector crash on assign()? i feel that it'd not be a valid question on SO if i asked "std:vector crashes on assign with a size of 4096"
yet, it does
 
how can i go about debugging this?
 
reduce the size of the program to the minimum that still reproduces the problem
 
@CheukKinSing it's a part of an application that reads a dataset then processes it, be hard to provide an MCVE
 
then use a debugger
 
12:11 PM
> It's "Gif" not "Jif".
Is she really saying "jif" in the talk?
 
@Griwes I have not noticed.
 
@CheukKinSing how can i debug the standard library whose sources i havelittle knowledge about with a debugger?
 
std::vector's source is mostly in the headers so debugging should work as normal
 
you put a breakpoint before the crash, you inspect your vector and what you're going to assign it?
and if all seems normal then you step through the source
 
'&&' within '||'
why is compiler whining this?
 
@wilx that's a very diplomatic way of saying "we're the evil ones, go away".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah.
 
> Code documentation written as code! How novel and totally my idea!
the fuck is this nonsense even
 
> I'm a third year theoretical mathematics student interested mainly in knot theory and p-adic numbers.
a long way of spelling "autist" tbh
 
> knot theory
 
12:25 PM
knuth theory
 
@CheukKinSing Il aime les noeuds ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
@CheukKinSing :)
 
@Ven Wow, retarded nonsense :D
 
nwp
12:40 PM
@wilx Did they give specifics? Something like "The understanding of the law in the talk does not match the understanding of our lawyers and the intended meaning, therefore the points of the talk are invalid".
 
> Naše frakce EPP přistupuje k problematice autorských práv zodpovědně a v zájmu držitelů práv. Rozhodně se s přístupem paní Redy neztotožňujeme.
 
Ven
@Morwenn :surprising:
 
"in the interests of rights holders"?
 
Our fraction EPP approaches the author's (copyright?) rights responsibly and with interest to rights holders. We resolutely do not identify with the approach of Mrs. Redy.
 
Yep, evil.
 
nwp
12:45 PM
@iksemyonov First you assume the bug is within your code and don't try to debug std::vector. My guess is that you wrote beyond the bounds of the vector which then crashes when the vector is trying to free the corrupted memory.
 
Ven
@CheukKinSing "moi, les trisomiques, je dis +1"
 
(Rights holders are not evil; treating their interests as absolute is)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah.
 
@iksemyonov "hard to provide an MCVE" means "hard to debug". Sorry. You are more qualified to solve this than any of us, because you can actually look at your code.
 
@Ven +1 chromosome pour être précis
 
1:03 PM
@Ven See the latest comments.
 
Guys, can someone remind me how is named windows section that is simmiliar with registry, some applications are writing their data for autostartup
 
Ven
@Griwes saw it
can't tell if he's looking for an escape path :p
 
1:25 PM
nermind =) i remember it, Global Atoms
 
nwp
VS compiler gives me non-english error messages when invoked by Qt and I don't know how to stop it from doing that.
 
reinstal VS with an english version?
 
nwp
Apparently removing language packages is not an intended use case.
@ratchetfreak yeah, probably the only choice
 
so my city raised the speed limit on some roads from 50 to 70
they estimate 9 second savings on that section, which is supposed to sum up to about 1.5h yearly
well, what would be more interesting is a calculation like the bridge in Margin Call - the number of hours multiplied by numbers of people
multiplied by average wage
 
nwp
- number of increased accidents * casualties * average work time left * average wage
 
1:30 PM
put a counter on the road and let it count for a week, don't forget to subtract the people during rush hour
 
@ratchetfreak well you want daily average anyway
say that 2k cars benefit daily, I think this is pretty conservative
that'd be 3000 hours, or about $15k given Poland's mean salary
 
The question is whether the drivers abided by or ignored the previous limit.
 
and whether it actually helps during the time it matters for wages (rush hour)
 
nwp
and if the saved time goes to working time or jerking time
5
 
well, if it causes at least one death over the previous speed limit, $15k doesn't seem to be worth it
 
1:33 PM
cause speed limits have very little effect on the capacity of the road
 
@ratchetfreak overcrowded roads slow down naturally
 
the rule of thumb is 1 car every 2 seconds on a free road regardless of speed limit
that's 1800 vehicles/h/lane
 
1800 vehicles /h is way over my estimate
 
that's not counting the traffic light
any crossings
etc.
that the max capacity of a single lane
each obstruction needs to be considered seperately
for a light you have a capacity of greentime/cycle length * 1800
 
1:50 PM
well it's just a section that takes under a minute to cover
 
nwp
4
Q: Check whether console application is really exited

Dávid HorváthSuppose that I have started a console application which finishes, then shell prompt brings up again. But how can I be sure that it's the real command prompt? What if, for example, the application is a "key logger" which starts a fake prompt when I try to exit? So, how can I detect that I am actu...

I never thought about that.
 
you run into that a lot in mobile app development - program enters background but doesn't exactly die
 
nwp
2:07 PM
> Warning C4005 M_PI: macro redifinition: math.h with previous definition in QtCore\qmath.h
Isn't this UB or something? -.-
 
user406009
@nwp It's probably UB for qmath to #define M_PI
 
@wilx Doesn't matter: if they were ignoring, now they'll ignore as well :D
 
I got my last grade for the last class on the last semester
which means I've p much officially finished my uni classes
just the last exam (BEng exam) left and some formalities and I'm done
 
Ell
2:28 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what's the exam on?
 
@Ell there's a list of questions you have to memorize answers to
covering stuff from the past 3.5 years
 
Ell
nice
 
and it's a spoken exam
IOW complete nonsense in general
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why is it nonsense to do oral examination?
 
@wilx not that part
I mean oral exams aren't necessarily bad
The problem is that it doesn't bring anything special to the table over the general humiliation, waste of time for everyone involved and idiotic tradition
 
Ven
2:32 PM
@BartekBanachewicz did you ever use the Network.HTTP stuff in Haskell?
it's printing my request headers.
 
@Ven I don't think so, no.
@Ven I hate when libraries do that
 
@BartekBanachewicz IMHO, oral examination is harder, i.e., it forces you to at least memorize things, better, to actually understand them and to respond dynamically to given queries.
 
@wilx it's gonna be the wank fest for whomever gets his question in (they're random)
 
Ell
I like oral tests actually
I had two for computer architecture last year
 
about half a questions there are completely nonsensical
the other half is basically whether you get a question that's interesting to one of the 3 interviewers or not
pretty much everyone passes this anyway, I haven't heard of anyone who failed except that one guy who turned up stoned or drunk
it's the quintessence of pointlessness of this university
 
nwp
2:36 PM
I have discovered a real life deadlock. We have to use VS2013 because we are dependent on some external lib and the lib writers cannot upgrade because people (us) still use VS2013.
If only communication was an option.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz :[
 
Ell
Some of my lecturers upload things in .doc format :(
 
@nwp .lib or .dll?
 
I can't wait to be able to say that I finished uni
like I am mostly free mentally
 
if it's the latter you can still upgrade insofar as you don't need to share allocators etc
 
2:41 PM
I don't really give too many fucks about the exam and stuff
but it's gonna feel good to finally be free
 
Ven
guess i'll ask on irc
 
> Then it was time to teach him how to go. I did this by incorporating with it the lesson of how to stop. Knowing how to go without knowing how to stop is bad planning. When I first rode no one taught me how to stop the thing. I’ve remembered the cost of that omission.
lol
anectode: I taught a handful people how to ride my bike. I tried telling them how to stop. "Please, go in a straight line at least a dozen times and get a feel for the brakes. Learn how to stop".
You might try guessing how many people have followed my advice after they've realized that pulling the gas makes them go forward ;)
 
nwp
@Mgetz .dll. One problem is that my program needs Qt and their .dll needs Qt and that the versions need to match, which is a pain. One might be able to write a wrapper to fix this or maybe one can actually link properly with 2 sets of function definitions by telling the linker which to use when.
 
@nwp ah that sucks. This is why I'm loathe to take binary dependencies, at least source dependencies I can recompile
 
@nwp Haha. Chicken and egg problem.
 
2:46 PM
oh my. I stopped giggling and then read another paragraph.
> I first used a field of mature corn stalks for stopping. That turned out to be more of a lesson in agriculture than riding.
I kinda wish polish motorcycle magazines were at least half as good as CW.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz if you have an idea :|
 
nwp
I did accidentally compile with VS2015 and it told me among other things that the number of parameters that one format string takes does not match the number of arguments passed. VS2013 didn't care. Legacy code with legacy tools is fun.
Maybe I should accidentally compile with gcc.
 
>=$>
I like how I have no idea what it does and I can still read the code
 
Ven
:D
Haskell'd.
 
people who dislike operators are just control freaks
 
Ven
2:50 PM
to be clear -- if I don't print body, the request body (not resp) are still printed
 
And now for something completely different. YouTube does not like H.265 uploads. :(
 
@Ven well technically BrowserAction is IO
 

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