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5:06 PM
I recently had a few problems in C# with their pre-generic world
 
@Puppy While accurate, this is open to misinterpretation. Specifically, even when you add constraints (e.g., concepts) to C++ templates, they're still fundamentally different. C#/Java generics specify the constraints on the producer side, so (just like classical OOP) I have to implement/derive from the right type to satisfy a constraint. Concepts are specified on the consumer side. They specify constraints independent of an inheritance tree (or similar).
 
nah, I think that's not really fundamental to the distinction.
it's more of a quirk of the C#/Java ways of doing things that you can't externally implement an interface.
 
@Puppy At least from a practical viewpoint, it's probably the single most fundamental distinction.
 
I kinda disagree
it may be literally true that in C# you have to directly implement the interface
but the chance in C++ that you happen to match the constraint without intentionally meeting the interface is very low.
in both cases you basically have to write the type to match the interface ahead of time.
and even if you did accidentally match a constraint, it's not really clear that you would also meet the intended semantics of those functions, so arguably it's a downside that this can occur.
 
5:17 PM
anyone knows a light windows iso to run on a vm?
i'm talking less than a gigabyte
 
light <=> Windows
 
found a 689 MB windows 7 iso
 
@Puppy Maybe in your world, nobody's ever written a std::vector<int>?
 
i'm not talking about an unmodified iso
 
@JerryCoffin std::vector<int> is written to meet the Standard container interface, and the writers of templates are written to consume them - there's nothing there that was not intentionally implemented ahead of time by the class author.
 
5:23 PM
@Puppy The first time I implemented a comparator was when I wanted to have a std::set with reverse ordering. So I created a functor that returned a >= b. The type system was happy. And the program segfaulted :(
 
I think that a > b would be legit but a >= b is probably awkward.
 
This is an extraordinary endorsement https://www.facebook.com/james.grissom/posts/10210311889333429 https://t.co/9cYZmD5Oqc
Huh /cc @sehe you might like this
 
@Puppy You seem to have missed the point. int can be stored in a templated container even though it was designed without anything about the container in mind (obviously enough, since int was designed long before vector was). For Java, anything you put in a container must derive (at the very least) from Object. For C++, anything you put in a container must simply be MoveConstructive or CopyConstructible, etc.
 
@Puppy It's the day I learned about strict weak ordering (by none other than the robot :P)
 
Ok, wtf. I write code, it doesn't work (wrong output). Then revert to old code. Then copy back new code, now it works.
I have no idea why it (now) works and that frightens me.
 
5:27 PM
Just file it as fixed and slowly back away.
 
@Puppy Not merely awkward--plain wrong. In particular, a comparator must return false when a == b.
 
Don't make any sudden additions or recompilations, lest it get angry and break again.
 
@JerryCoffin MoveConstructible and CopyConstructible are both interfaces defined ahead of time, and int is defined to meet it by the authors.
much like every copyable class, whose copyability (or not) is defined by the class author.
nobody can add copyability to a non-copyable class.
if you have a template e.g. template<typename T> void f(T t) { t.f(); } nobody can ever make an int meet that, even if it makes sense given the contract, because only the int author can define that it meets that contract.
 
@Puppy Except I can, when unified call syntax is adopted.
I think.
Or perhaps that needs ADL.
 
@Puppy So you claim that somewhere in Dennis Ritchie's archives, he defined CopyConstructible and designed int to meet them? What drugs are you on again?
 
5:30 PM
I think it's cool I can do this:
boost::circular_buffer<T, tbb::cache_aligned_allocator<T>>
 
int in C++ is defined by the C++ Standards Committee.
 
^^ Neither of those is part of STL. Yet they can work together because they implemented the type requirements.
 
Ell
I think puppy makes a good point
 
@StackedCrooked Nice :)
I should play with boost/tbb more
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked but the type requirement was agreed on from the start
 
5:32 PM
it is defined, at the point of definition, to meet the contract set out in CopyConstructible.
 
@Puppy ...in a way that's essentially indistinguishable from how it was defined in C, or in C++ before they added templates. Contrast this to Java, where you can't put an int into a container. You have to "box" it into an Integer and put that into the container, because everything you put into the container has to derive from Object.
@Ell Then you're being just a stupid as he is right now.
 
@JerryCoffin The new definition of int includes meeting CopyConstructible.
the fact that previous definitions may have also met it if they were under the new language rules is immaterial.
 
@Puppy Are you really this stupid, or are you just trolling?
 
@JerryCoffin You have to do the exact same thing in C++ for a class that does not implement the contract required.
 
@Ell No. Stepanov looked into the future of boost and tbb and reversed engineered it :P
 
5:34 PM
for instance you cannot have a vector of mutexes as they are immovable.
you must box them in unique_ptrs first.
this is no different to boxing ints into Integers in Java.
 
It's like how iterator categories were discovered by looking at different ways of iteration (linear array traversal, list node hopping, read input until you encounter EOF, etc..) The concepts existed early on but were formalized later.
 
@Puppy I'll repeat, though, since you seem to have missed it: the "contract" in C++ is based only on the capabilities of the type in question. Anything that can meet a set of syntactical requirements works. Assignable (for example) merely requires that a=b is syntactically allowable. I don't have to derive from some particular class (etc.) to meet the requirement. In Java, every type that's going to be stored in a container must derive from Object.
Constraints for other types are similar: when I write the type, I have to specify what it derives from and/or what interface it implements--and if the generic wants a class/interface I didn't specify (even my type supplies all the operations required by that interface) then that generic can't be instantiated over that type.
 
@JerryCoffin Just because you don't literally derive from a class is immaterial. You're still defined to meet that contract by language. The only cases where this is different are where operators that can be looked up by ADL, so they genuinely can be implemented externally.
 
> 7 WONDERS OF THE iNTERNET FT WIND☯WS 97
 
in theory you could meet a random contract by syntactic luck, but it basically never happens because if you get ten guys to define an interface, you'll get ten different results and frankly, it's pretty questionable if this is even a desirable property.
 
5:40 PM
@Puppy It's immaterial in roughly the way the ocean is completely dry and gravity doesn't stop you from jumping to the moon under your own power.
 
there are only a few contracts you can really meet without being the author of the class, and they are special solely by special language dispensation (e.g. free functions by ADL for operators)
basically every other contract can only be met by the class author.
for instance see that whole fun with std::begin.
why does that exist? because only the definition of int[] can meet the contract for the container requirements.
so they had to change it to ADL
 
@Puppy Oh what a load of shit. You're honestly trying to claim that the only people who ever use standard containers are Howard Hinnant and P.J. Plaugar?
 
@JerryCoffin What have the users got to do with anything?
every time you pass a type into a vector, you are doing that because you met the contract of CopyConstructible.
 
@Puppy Go back to the beginning of the thread and try actually reading what I've said, you F'ing idiot!
 
and you did that because the language defines that your class definition meets that contract.
you cannot retroactively add CopyConstructible to an existing type.
 
5:44 PM
@JerryCoffin This kinda reminds me of chapter 2 in Elements of Pogramming. (I did progress beyond chapter 2 unfortunately.)
 
there's no difference between class X : CopyConstructible and class X { X(const X&); }.
in both cases they are decisions solely controlled by the class author and cannot meet every random contract somebody could come up with that they might be suitable for.
a really simple example would be a set of container requirements except all the member functions start with an uppercase letter.
write a template against that, and then try to fit std::vector into it without wrapping it in some way.
you're just as fucked as in Java.
 
He is seeing a difference and you are seeing similarity. How can this ever be resolved.
 
@StackedCrooked I quit. Either he's a dumb as a rock, or just trolling. Either way, I've pointed out often enough that up is not down (and vice versa) that there's no point continuing.
 
I recommend anime.
And beer.
 
you haven't offered any meaningful counterarguments
just called me stupid a bunch of times
so I'm inclined to conclude that you are trolling
 
5:49 PM
Come on.
 
@StackedCrooked Good choice.
 
I think int was designed to be a kind of tag that would result in the generation of integer asm instructions. Changing the variable's type to float would magically change the compiler output to a program using FP ops. I don't think they had discussions about copy-construction and at that point in time.
They probably did discuss what should happen when assigning int to double.
But probably not about assigning int to int. Since that's too obvious.
 
@Puppy I think if you factor in time of creation, it becomes a lot more important.
If someone writes a container to only contain MyInterface types, then classes outside of your authorship (e.g., ones that predated MyInterface) don't get to play with the new system, in much the same way int doesn't get to fit in a generic container and would require a bit of extra wrapper code to make work.
Contrasted with C++-style duck typing, as long as you potentially meet the requirements you don't need to explicitly wrap old classes or rewrite anything: the contract is evaluated at a level below MyInterface.
 
nwp
@ThePhD I would consider that a bug, not a feature, assuming MyInterface implements a concept that predates this implementation
 
Maybe. vOv
 
Xeo
6:03 PM
Oh, what's going on here? Scott Puppygrim vs. The World?
 
Basically, generics seem to evaluate on "Are you this thing", whereas templates moreso evaluate on "do you have the necessary bits to be considered as one of these things for my purposes"?
And I think that's an important distinction for both authors and users of generic stuff.
 
Is this discussion even relevant to anything? .___.
 
Not really, I'm just chiming in. :D
 
@Morwenn Is anything here ever relevant to anything? :P
 
I should be writing tests. It probably explains why I've been doing something else for about an hour.
@Borgleader Things can be relevant to stuff in their own paradigm.
 
Xeo
6:07 PM
I'm relevant to me. Good enough!
 
@Morwenn It's relevant to this room. It's what this room does, basically.
 
@Xeo How dare you objectify yourself like that. You Object Oriented Person.
 
@Xeo Is it really good enough, or do you want to cry in a corner of your bedroom when you actually realize that you may only be relevant to yourself and noone else?
 
Xeo
Me not being relevant to anyone else but myself is my default assumption, so eh.
 
@Borgleader lol
 
6:09 PM
@StackedCrooked Discussing? :p
@Xeo Now I want to cry in a corner of your bedroom :(
 
Yeah. Mostly and usually about irrelevant stuff :)
 
@Xeo high-five me too
 
@Borgleader He's literally Java.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Shokugeki time :P
@Morwenn lol
 
@StackedCrooked oo it's out, nice
 
6:14 PM
@ThePhD Problem with implicit interfaces is that you can accidentally conform on superficial level (i.e. it compiles because the interface is the same, but doesn't behave as expected because the semantics differ in unverifiable way)
I still like explicit interfaces more, even if they require the original type to be modified or additional adapter to be written
 
Interesting.
 
(Explicit interfaces declared externally to the type are probably the best way to do this, but this has its own can of worms with semantics potentially changing as you modify the import set of the application)
 
@CatPlusPlus Just curious, how is that different from an explicit interface? Say you have ISortable and you implement that, you can still get the semantics wrong. Which is just like having the wrong semantics in operator< and calling std::sort. I guess I missed the point?
 
But that's a bug on your part (you declared you conform to something but you don't)
When you write operator< you don't declare you conform to the requirements std::sort puts on operator<
Arguably that's the correct way to write operator< but in code it's nothing more than an implicit assumption
 
hey guyz, has anyone worked with qt creator before??
 
6:19 PM
Hence floating point types are buggy with regard to std::sort.
 
No, no one has ever worked with qt creator before
 
Nothing can eliminate this sort of bug short of formal verification, but types adapting to interfaces implicitly have more potential for false positives than types adapting to interfaces explicitly
 
Another difference is that template instantiation produces the same kind of code you'd get if you hard-coded it by hand. While the interface wrapping approach usually leaves some traces (overhead).
 
@milleniumbug lol
 
I suppose that was a selling point to convert C devs.
 
6:20 PM
@AbdulelahAlJeffery No, the only Qt here is @Morwenn and the creators never visit the lounge
 
@Borgleader qt-creator is an IDE name for the Qt freamwork ...
 
Cutie creators.
 
I think I hsould've asked if someone has used it before
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Q: Pointing to added files + deploying a project in Qt Creator

Abdulelah Al Jefferyso I'm very new to Qt creator, I used it because it was suggested as a way to build a gui for code writen in C using QProcess in Qt. I put togther this simple code, and the next thing was a whole day wasted in trubleshooting some issues. here is the part of the code I'm stuck in: void Pri...

I really wish if someone can help me with that '^_^
 
snakchat never changes
 
6:25 PM
Cleanup on aisle 3 plz
 
nwp
> so I'm very new to Qt creator, I used it because it was suggested as a way to build a gui for code writen in C using QProcess in Qt.
@AbdulelahAlJeffery did you deliberately try to put as many wrong things into one sentence as possible or was it an accident?
 
worng things like ..
 
> MS, JY propose to turn counted_iterator into a Java iterator, remove the counted_sentinel, and instead have a JavaSentinel whose equality comparison with a JavaIterator calls the Done() method.
 
nwp
Qt creator is an IDE, has nothing to do with the code you write.
Qt is C++, not C
QProcess has nothing to do with GUI
 
6:33 PM
@nwp when you google writing a gui for a C code, you will see it suggested in many sites to use Qt creator
@nwp okay yes I know all that, I think I should remove the part starting from "it was suggested ..." if it's gonna give the delsion of me mixing things ...
@nwp fixed it, I hope now it reads better :)
 
nwp
I still don't see what the problem has to do with qt creator
I think you just mean Qt
 
I think I'm not using it probably to manage this simple project! I don't know really :/
 
6:53 PM
@Borgleader oooh
 
@Mysticial a lot of funny ppl hanging around here ...
 
funny is one word for it yes
 
nwp
7:13 PM
watching gamedev C++ streams on twitch makes me angry
I should either learn to argue or just not do that anymore
would it be lazy to just assume it's a waste of time to argue?
 
go for the latter, arguing on twitch is probably a waste of time
 
@nwp Showing people how to do things while being nice would probably attract more people, provided you're at least as charismatic as a gamedev.
Having a great project to show your skills and make people think that doing things the right way is also productive helps to convince people too.
 
nwp
way too many people think the first step of making a game is to reimplement the STL as they need it
 
Even though EA already did that for them.
 
nwp
but I'm too lazy to stream and my game thing isn't impressive enough
 
7:26 PM
So you're deemed to fail. Better be lazy and not argue at all.
 
nwp
I need to find a team to make stuff with that at least somewhat agrees with my views
I should be getting a new job in half a year or so, I hope that will be it
 
> So you're deemed to fail. Better be lazy and not make stuff at all.
 
nwp
but making stuff is fun, especially when you work together with good people
at least that's what I'm telling myself
maybe I'll quit and work at mc donalds instead
 
@Borgleader it's a well crafted PR story well spun to go viral. What else is new..
I don't see why any one lends much credibility to it
 
@nwp: IMHO, part of professionalism is that you can work even with people or in environment that is not 100 % to your liking.
 
7:32 PM
@sehe What if it wasnt? (now that you mention it, it probably is, but what if!)
 
@nwp realism is not a waste of time. You don't need anyone to agree with you to live your own principles
 
What TV series is there to watch?
I am out of Archer and out of GoT.
 
Brooklyn 99
 
nwp
@wilx hmm, there is a difference between "to my liking" and "write force_inline" in front of every function
I was ok to switch to C for some embedded stuff, so I'm not completely unreasonable
 
@Borgleader wel is kinda obvious. All the details would normally land some people in trouble when published. Is word to imply this one senator by name. The timing is very suspect etc.
 
nwp
7:34 PM
but this reimplementing of the STL and having zero confidence in compiler optimizations just is too much for me
 
Get more confidence. Problem solved
 
I don't think he can force more confidence into other people
 
I just scanned up to get that context
 
@nwp Use alloca or VLAs in one of them and call it in a loop. Watch the world burn.
 
maybe run some benchmarks on their stuff with and without molesting the compiler?
 
nwp
7:38 PM
yeah, if I would actually be working together with someone that would probably be the way to go
on twitch without access to the code not so much
but there it is also much less important
 
Let me try Ray Donovan. I liek the main actor.
 
oh wait you're still talking about live coding on twitch?
 
nwp
yes
 
then why not watch someone else who has more faith in the compiler?
 
nwp
there is no one
people who know what they are doing tend to not have time for twitch streaming
 
7:52 PM
I have faith in the compiler, but not myself. And besides no time to stream.
 
user406009
Live coding does seem like fun.
 
user406009
My computer is too weak sauce to handle a live stream though.
 
I have the time to stream, hardly any kind of motivation to actually do it.
 
user406009
@Morwenn One theory is that it would sorta force you to actually get stuff done.
 
user406009
Rather than mess around on reddit.
 
8:06 PM
I'm almost never on Reddit.
Actually I'm doing so little that my life is probably miserable.
 
Someone enlighten me, what's the value in live-streaming coding? It sounds like pure torture:
- If they suck, you'll pull your hair out every time they use `new`.
- If they're good, you'll spend too much time looking up the things they are doing that you miss large parts of it.
- If they use vim, it'll be so fast you can't see shit and you think it's magic.
- If they use Visual Studio, you'll bang you head against the wall because it's not Linux.
- If their coding style doesn't match yours, you'll kill a kitten every time they use tabs vs. spaces.
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I guess the primary point is to see someone else's thought process.
 
I'd rather read articles; at least it's curated and I don't have to watch a video.
How come I don't like videos that much again?
 
user406009
Most of the time it's not to useful for people watching.
 
Ell
@Mysticial the same reason programming talks are good I think
 
user406009
8:11 PM
There are some good examples though.
 
user406009
handmadehero.org is very well done.
 
Ell
it's more about the explanation they are saying while they code
@Morwenn I'm not a fan either
 
@Ell I never managed to watch more than 5 minutes of a programming talk either. I find them boooooring -_-
 
user406009
@Mysticial I think there are completely different incentives between people wanting to watch and the people wanting to stream.
 
@Mysticial How would you observe the difference between tabs vs. spaces in a video?
 
8:16 PM
@fredoverflow I work with whitespace being shown
so it would be dots vs lines
 
Maybe I should sneak in some morse code in my code
 
user406009
@Borgleader You know, if you just ban tabs and only use spaces, you won't have to use that mode anymore :P
 
user406009
You also have to enable the "delete whitespace at the end of the line" setting.
 
@Lalaland What if he wants to encode diabolical messages in his trailing whitespace?
 
8:21 PM
^
@Lalaland Ye, the problem is sometimes VS resets its own settings and then i get ninja tabs in my code.
 
nwp
@Lalaland ugh, I hate that guy with a passion
 
So I rather have it on, also I like getting rid of spaces on empty lines
 
user406009
@nwp Why?
 
nwp
@Lalaland because he does all the things I despise such as "Do not use std::sort! Implement bubblesort if you must, but never, ever use std::sort! It is bad!!!"
 
user406009
@nwp Yeah. He does some foolish things. But his live coding videos are done very well.
 
user406009
8:24 PM
And I think he goes way too far for ABI compatibility.
 
@Lalaland What youre saying is, the content is shit but the videos are well produced?
 
user406009
@Borgleader Well, he's pretty much a C programmer. Take that as you will.
 
Even Qt advocates the use of <algorithm> nowadays.
 
@Lalaland I imagine I would pull my hair out watching those videos then.
 
Ell
Not using std::sort is inexcusable
Unless you're using orlp::sort or morwenn::sort :P
 
8:28 PM
Only the former.
 
Ell
Shh
Don't be silly!
 
The whole thing is mostly for display.
Also it helps killing time from time to time.
 
your face helps killing innocent people from time to time
 
Your words too.
 
user406009
@Ell This is what he says about it:
 
user406009
8:30 PM
> Why don't you like the Standard C++ Library / Standard Template Library / Boost / etc.
Because they're extremely low quality code and I don't want them in my codebase.
 
user406009
Lol
 
I remember them whenever I'm on my way to eat young children alive.
 
I can get behind a good baby-eating
 
@Lalaland Ok, now that sounds perfectly moronic :o
@Puppy Nah, not baby. I'm not sure how much they're sentient yet; it kills the mood. It's far more enjoyable when they've already learnt to say « no ».
 
user406009
Anyways, regardless of programming philosophy debates, he is very good at production and avoiding all the problems Mysticial talks about.
 
user406009
8:33 PM
Most of the videos are about how to solve certain problems and not so much about the coding itself.
 
i fucking hate when my mom blames my hardware for not having good internet connection when it's them fucking not paying more
the message won't even send, perfect
 
user406009
@ChemiCalChems There are a couple tricks you can do.
 
user406009
Lower the quality of your video streams.
 
user406009
Install an ad blocker.
 
user406009
Stop streaming music (such a waste of bandwidth)
 
8:39 PM
@Lalaland check, check, check
pages won't even load half of the time
 
nwp
lol I see
 
user406009
@ChemiCalChems One note is that Chrome's adblockers don't actually block the loading of the ads.
 
user406009
Use FF to actually block the connections.
 
nwp
@Lalaland arguably that's a feature
 
@πάνταῥεῖ This post never was in any problems, but your comments make it look that way. Comments have real consequences. Please consider that leaving things - outside your absolute center of expertise, perhaps - alone if you don't see an immediate lead to help someone. — sehe 12 secs ago
 
8:48 PM
wow
 
@Mysticial If they use vim and care a little (not mentioning any names) they have a keyboard widget up so you can backtrack and slomo throught the part that you didn't follow. It's a prime way to improve your vim fu
 
Ell
@Lalaland lol
That is ridiculous
 
@jaggedSpire Hmm. FWIW pantharei has frequently irked me on this in the past. He, and some others like Pileborg and e.g. H2CO4 would be so trigger happy to brandish "bad questions" just because it the solution didn't readily occur to them or the approach taken was not to their taste ("oh you're just doing it wrong"). With pantharei it comes in clear waves, so I thought I'd let him know he's doing it again
@Puppy I prefer eating an adult behind. More meat.
 
yeah I've seen him make some extremely snarky comments in the past
 
It had been a long time. Also, I don't mind snark much. I mind the premature conclusions, or basically "argumentum ex ignorantio" or whatever
 
8:54 PM
ah.
It's neat you look out for things like that
 
This answer is a piece of art. I loved the small demos of the edge cases. +100 AFAIAC — sehe 14 secs ago
 
Bleh. Ray Donovan TV series is too depressing. Terrible family relations shit.
 
It's bounty time again
Apparently I have to wait until the bounty option appears
 
@wilx I say again, Brooklyn Nine Nine
:P
 
@Borgleader Well, I could not find it from the beginning.
Is that the Old Spice guy?
 
9:02 PM
He's in it yes, but the main character is played by Andy Samberg
I watched it on Netflix
 
> Why does it have to be Haskell though, instead of one of the industry-standard statically-typed languages, with excellent tool support and tonnes of experienced developers?
Like Java.
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> A first prototype in Python turned out to be fragile and error prone. How could I ensure some variables always held dollar values and others percentages? How did I avoid accidentally mutating objects inside functions?
My solution would have been to use Ada. :)
 
That would surely raise awareness for aspiring journalists
 
That is awesome
and scary
 
9:18 PM
@wilx My solution would center around "get a programmer's mindset. Sloppy thinking like "dollar values" or "percentages" in variables is what kills software faster than any programming language can"
 
@StackedCrooked Definitely interesting. I've yet to actually figure out how to read Haskell beyond very simple definitions. Mostly because learning it is like learning advanced mathematics: "Thing X is a Y of with traits D, E, F or a Z and you can use it as a W in this case" (where all letter variables are unknown and defined in a similarly inscrutable manner).
Finding the resource that stops defining things circularly is the hardest part of learning new paradigms
 
I think it's mostly about sticking with it until you finally start to get it.
I didn't do that though.
 
9:36 PM
Yeah. Good resources catalyze learning. I've bumped into a few languages with glaring flaws, but for the most part they're effective in their small area supported by the standards.
I like the big languages because I'm nearly guaranteed a reliable library for http, simple gui, and precise enough mathematical operations (and some documentation of bugs)
 
Same.
Also quicker to find answers with Google.
In case you encounter some problem.
 
I love how template deduction for constructors and and guaranteed copy elision make uniform initialization easier in C++17.
And how GCC and Clang don't implement them at the time of writing.
 
Hehe.
 
it's gonna be gr8 tho
 
I don't know whether any part of C++17 will change the way we write librarie.
 
9:43 PM
At my job we're currently at GCC 4.7 or 4.8. Can't remember which.
 
lol, not only are compilers slow to adopt C++, but C++ has been excessively slow in disowning its cringe-worthy compilation system
 
Well, there should be less factory functions overall.
 
I've gotten too used to writing semi-modern C++.
 
@StackedCrooked If I had a C++ job, I'd spend half of my time complaining about not being able to use modern features.
It's already what I do with Python 2.7 though.
 
lol
 
9:45 PM
I wish I could use Python 3.5 instead ç___ç
 
@Morwenn I do that all the time :P
 
And of course, if you're building for obscure platforms, your choices are generally C, a very outdated C++ non-compliant compiler, or BASIC
 
now I don't write C++ for my job I'm free to spend all my C++ time learning about features that would make VC++ go cry in a corner :)
 
@Morwenn Me too .-. Definitely a few times I've want to be coding in Python 3 because it has better (read real) binary support.
 
There are many small features in Python 3.X that I'd often use but that aren't important enough to use an external Python 3.7 library.
 
9:47 PM
freedom to commit as much SFINAE as I want is a wonderful feeling
 
Like Enum or singledispatch.
 
commit as in murder not commit as in git
 
SFINAE always sounds like a dirty word and I don't know why
 
Swinger?
 
9:49 PM
> You can read it like a poem:

Internal Frame,
Internal Frame,
Title Pane,
Internal Frame,

Title Pane,
Maximize Button,
Window Not
Focused State
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@Aaron3468 So beautiful. Truly triggers my inner enterprise passion.
 
You know your class name is too long when it doesn't fit a haiku anymore.
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@Nican Did you know there is even an Enterprise edition of Star Trek?
 
Oh?
 
@Morwenn I think you just discovered a perfect rule of thumb that deserves dissemination
 
9:53 PM
aw UniquePtrToPtrPtr doesn't work
 
@Aaron3468 Your face deserves dissemination.
 
rekt
or is that a compliment
 
Not sure. It just sounded good :D
 
jagged has hurt themself in their confusion
 
Hard to tell ^^ I feel like pickup artists would applaud that line
 
9:55 PM
Pickup artists?
 
That is beautiful in a very redneck way
 
yes Morwenn those kind of pickup artists
 
The good ones :3
 
10:00 PM
Bosozoku are the best when it comes to random tuning:
 
but why would you do that to an innocent car
 
I would share more and more of that, but there's too much to share.
 
@jaggedSpire See "I'm a clot and I've ruined my car" segment of Top Gear :P
 
When you think about it though, by that point, the vehicle is no longer merely a functional object but a piece of art to be admired publicly.
 
I dont admire ruined cars
 
10:04 PM
Much the same as when somebody dyes their hair, wears eyeshadow and studs and begins dressing in black
 
These are cars to be admired
 
those blues :3
 
Or when somebody like me really wants the sony QX1 so I can do this to my phone:
 
I could be much more productive if I didn't force myself to write tests and documentation.
 
Depends on what you want to produce
 
10:08 PM
Code.
 
do you want to produce comprehensible stable software or the Microsoft Office API
 
It doesn't matter. Nobody uses it.
 
snarls mentally
 
@jaggedSpire Actually part of the problems with MS APIs are because of dumb developers.
Read The Old New Thing
 
I've read a couple. It's Bob that constantly pulls stupid shit because he's never thought about maintainability or bug prevention in his life right?
 
10:10 PM
Bob?
 
apparently not
before you ask, no I have no developer coworkers named bob
 
oooh a book!
I've mostly read a few blog entries
 
Theres some overlap between the blog and the book but afaik the book has more stuff, and it was easier for me to read it in transit (train and such) so i bought it
10/10 would read again
 
oooh
 
Two too many YT onebox
 

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