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12:11 AM
 
Suddenly @TimSweeneyEpic is not so paranoid after all http://betanews.com/2016/07/28/windows-10-anniversary-update-takes-back-control/
retweeted by... Time Sweeney
 
12:28 AM
> We'll get straight to the point: the i7 6800K is the first genuinely affordable HyperThreaded six-core CPU ever made, delivering $1,000 CPU performance for less than half the price. Source
@Mysticial ?
 
12:41 AM
@Borgleader There's one problem with that article.
They used stock clocks.
 
Not everyone overclocks though :P
 
Nobody who isn't drunk buys those processors to run them at stock. And the 6800K has a higher stock clock.
I'm talking about the high-end ones.
 
Ah
Can you not overclock the 6800k though? i mean k is for unlocked no?
 
6 cores @ 3.4 GHz over 8 cores @ 3.0 GHz (almost) any day. But in reality, anyone who knows what they are doing will be running both of them at 4.0 GHz.
The 6800K is going to clock a bit higher simply because it has fewer cores. But they're all gonna get up to around 4.0 GHz.
 
Hmm ok, but its still a good CPU though right? I mean, if I dont have 1000 to spend on one, that would be a good choice?
 
12:45 AM
Yes, the 6800K is going to be a good deal.
 
400 is usually what I pay for CPUs (my current 3770 and my previous q6600 were both around that price IIRC)
 
The article forgot to mention that the 5960X is almost 2 years old now. Intel simply forgot to lower the price on it.
 
They forgot or are they still able to sell some at that price? :P
 
The 5960X should probably be priced around 700 - 800 now. But it's still pinned at 1k.
Come to think of it, I got my 5960X in December 2014. It's been more than a year and half already.
 
@Mysticial Anybody who downvotes me clearly deserves to be pissed off (for some values of "me").
 
12:50 AM
Yeah, ~400 is usually a nice spot for the cpu. Beyond that and you're talking Mysticial's needs. Below that, you're talking somebody who uses computers less than 4 hours a day ^^;
 
@JerryCoffin Let's build a great firewall to keep all the downvoters out.
 
@Borgleader Let's keep all allusions to Trump out of here...
 
@JerryCoffin Sure, let me call my expert in deleting things.
 
@Aaron3468 I've been tempted more than once to drop $800 for a 6700K build for the purpose of Skylake tuning. That never happened though.
$800 for the full system.
Seeing that my laptop was serving well for that purpose, I didn't see a point. So I resisted that urge. IOW, I haven't built anything for a year and half.
That's too long.
 
Well you really don't need a lot other than a good cpu or gpu. The remaining parts are mostly digital glue.
 
12:55 AM
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Q: Data structure and algorithm in vectors

mirazlanWrite a program that will perform the following: Continuously ask user to enter non-zero integers. Use a vector to store all the inputs entered by the user. The program will stop asking for input once a 0 is entered. Print the list of integers entered by the user. Calculate and print the sum of...

/cc @Mysticial
 
oh great std::array members are not constexpr until C++1z :|
 
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because SO isnt a free homework completion service. — Ben 36 mins ago
 
@Aaron3468 In my home machine I use a $80 CPU (or so). For most of what I do, it runs faster than my Xeon E5 1620 machine at work (more memory, better SSD).
 
@Mysticial I +1'd that, when I VTCed :)
 
that includes operator[]
 
12:56 AM
@Aaron3468 Found it. It's a little over $800 though: pcpartpicker.com/user/mysticial/saved/wdzqqs
That was a while ago. Maybe the ram or PSU can be cheaper if looked at other models.
 
@Mysticial I prefer to ask for his professor's email, so we can save him the trouble of forwarding the answer.
 
@JerryCoffin That's a good idea.
 
@JerryCoffin That is true. It's fantastic how cheap powerful parts are right now :D Machines with cpus and gpus worth ~100 are very respectable even without SSDs
 
@Aaron3468 Did you mean 1000? nvm i misread
 
What I mean is that they're respectable, but not great when you spend ~100 on a cpu and ~100 on a gpu. Nearly everyone I know can get by with those specs until they start buying AAA pc games (or making big programs)
 
1:01 AM
If you want just a gaming rig, i5 6600K + some GPU and you're set.
16GB of ram is dirt cheap too.
 
@Aaron3468 Yeah I know, when I read it the first time i thought the price was referring to "Machines" not "cpus and gpus" so i thought you were missing a 0
@Mysticial I saw a pair for 65$ on newegg the other day, i almost bought to to upgrade to 32gb for the hell of it
 
@Aaron3468 Yeah, it did fine before I got the SSD (but the SSD does help compiling quite a bit).
 
@JerryCoffin Do you guys distribute compilation over multiple machines?
 
SSDs are actually so cheap nowadays that I considered picking up a 500GB M.2 to for my laptop to complement the 128GB NVMe one.
That existing 128GB NVMe SSD isn't large enough, so I ended up booting my steam games to the HD.
But I don't game enough on that laptop for it to be worth it.
 
@Borgleader At work? No, not most of the time. Most of our code is decently modular, so it's not a big deal as a rule.
 
1:06 AM
Speaking of, it's time for me to buy 16GB ram; I'm starting to hit the ceiling of my 8GB. SSD seriously improved most of the speed on my machine. I've got a small one for my OS and a few programs and a bigger one for games (when they're 60GB of textures/audio, loading speed really improves)
 
@Mysticial did you see, AMD announced a vid card with an SSD on it
 
@Borgleader Yes I did. And I think we debated over how it works and it can't actually be using flash cells.
@Aaron3468 I actually have a spare set of 4x4GB DDR3. But I'm planning to unload that on my friend who lives nearby next time I see him.
That set is probably worth like $30 now. lol
Got it in 2011 for like $200. lol
It predates my time on SO.
 
@Mysticial Back when you didn't realize you could just download more RAM!
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah. SO teaches you a lot.
 
1:09 AM
error: the value of '._166' is not usable in a constant expression
note: '._166' was not declared 'constexpr'
oh okay ._.
 
@JerryCoffin Ah, we have thing at work where it distributes it to machines on the same broker, and has a network cache, both of these make a hell of a difference on compile times (if you havent synced in a while or have to do a full rebuild for wtv reason)
And by a thing at work I mean this thing (which I think is open source?)
 
@Mysticial No worries
 
@Borgleader We do use scons, which has a network cache, so a fresh build (of the largest project I've worked on here) still only takes a couple minutes or so.
 
Oh cool, i didnt know scons had that
 
If the network cache gets munged it can take a half hour or so to do a truly complete build, but that's quite rare.
 
user406009
1:18 AM
@Shoe The second guy is an idiot.
 
dang I can’t repro
 
@Borgleader Yup. Took me a while to figure out that it was purposely randomizing the order in which files were built to minimize cache contention.
 
It also increases cache efficiency if two people build the project at the same revision (or close enough)
or is that what you meant by contention?
 
@Borgleader Because it hasn't changed much, right?
 
No because if you do them in same order you dont benefit from cache. if you randomize, person A will build a different file from person b, so when person b ends up compiling that file its in the cache already
 
1:31 AM
@Borgleader Yes--in that case if they do it concurrently, you actually do end up with a distributed build.
@Borgleader ...and vice versa.
 
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Q: It’s time to retire the term “rep-whore”

JaydlesGoing forward, “rep-whore” (and its derivatives) will be treated like any other term that’s inconsistent with the community’s “be nice” policy: it will be removed. It’s totally okay if you’ve used it in the past. Nobody’s judging the many users who’ve used it. And users will NOT start being s...

^^ lol, SE thinks they can change something that's so heavily ingrained into the culture of the site.
If they start banning people for that, I'm out.
 
People who use the term "rep-whore" all of time are rep-whore-whores
 
@Mysticial "Dont call them drunks, just say their actions are alcohol motivated."
 
lol
@Borgleader Don't worry about me, I do it intentionally usually
 
@Mysticial "This person consistently takes harmful actions because they earn him rep" is obviously much more efficient than "rep whore".
 
1:43 AM
anyway, time for bed
tgtif
 
night
 
Night
Also, for anyone who cares, added numerical constants that are ezpz to read (a "wimpmode" constant) for FOS-X with the 4F byte. Yey for simplification
 
@Mysticial lol
 
In semi-relevant news, i.imgur.com/Q1RQFsB.png something shady about desktop Pokemanz GO. Couldn't imagine how that could throw a red flag
 
user406009
@Darkrifts The real crazy thing is that you aren't using an ad blocker.
 
1:47 AM
@Lalaland 2lazy2give personal info
 
user406009
Eh, they are really easy to install.
 
But wait a sec... 99 in base 10 is 126
 
user406009
ublock origin is really easy.
 
@HWalters From base 10 :P
10 -> 16
 
in The Nineteenth Byte on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 36 mins ago, by Dennis
The PC term is clearly rep prostitute.
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^^ This guy's got the right idea.
 
2:04 AM
I don't think that the whole rep thing post is gonna change much, unless they ban, at which point some of the better members will leave/be banned, and cause more problems than they probably though it would solve
 
@Darkrifts That's exactly what I'm thinking.
 
Long story short, "u dun goofed"
 
If "repwhore" gets treated the same way as "fuck" or any other language profanity, then it probably won't be too much of an issue. But if they start banning people for using the word at all, then that's gonna cause a lot of issues.
 
I could understand the censorship one, but if they ban, do you give me permission to complain?
 
I would say that repwhore has become a colloquial term of internet English, rather than a profanity.
 
2:08 AM
An alternate approach is a technical one. Just like how +/-1 got banned from comments, they could do a profanity filter. But that's got plenty of other problems.
 
Do I need to configure Windows in any specific way to remotely connect to it from PuTTY on another computer?
 
And here's the problem with profanity filters:
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A: Regular expression preg_quote symbols are not detected

tchristCannot Be Done I'm sorry, but this “problem” is truly impossible to solve. Consider these: ꜰᴜᴄᴋ   is U+A730.1D1C.1D04.1D0B, "\N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL F}\N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL U}\N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL C}\N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL K}" ᶠᵘᶜᵏ   is U+1DA0.1D58.1D9C.1D4F, "\N{M...

 
Profanity filters are worse than having human moderators tbh. 90% of them are simple string searchers, and can easily be circumvented.
 
Yeah, but helps when a human moderator isn't available :P
@Aaron3468 Also, I added numeric constants to directly put in mem with 4F
 
@Darkrifts Very nice! That instantly makes it easy to create a distinction between commands and data, which improves code quite a bit
 
2:14 AM
@Mystical Maybe in the short term. It's like gay marriage - when it started to become a public issue, people became more aware and vehement about what they felt was right, on both sides - but respect for others will win out in the long run. — Emrakul 18 secs ago
 
I do highly recommend that you make a gameboy opcode interpreter because you'll get a lot of inspiration from real assembly languages
 
One thing though, is it only accepts a range of 0-255 for obvious reasons
 
^^ This guy's comparing repwhores to gay marriage... wow
 
@Darkrifts That's a perfectly reasonable limitation considering your design
 
@Aaron3468 Also, that'd require me to actually know things about opcodes :P
 
2:16 AM
@Mysticial That's just bobba
 
Simple, reads the next instruction as a number, saves it in mem and skips execution of that operation. Means you can use 30 and get 2 different numbers, if you know what you're doing :P
 
That's why I recommend that you give it a shot. Look up 'how to write a gameboy emulator', and study the instruction set. It's very easy as a side project. The hardest part is adding GUI and support for real .gb files
 
Meh, I might look into it later :P
Also, means you can write strings directly within the program without having to worry about accidentally causing an infinite loop :P
 
Haha, yes, although improved documentation really helps with that too ;)
 
Hey, I think it describes exactly what happens :P
 
2:21 AM
I come back to league for the first time in months and Taric is gorgeous and the UI is really nice now
 
paste.ofcode.org/VbvREnQJ2VGg4kdRmVSHsL Is an example, prints "u dun goofed"
New 4F
paste.ofcode.org/BN9ER2nJPj52bK6mCmgsaZ, realized I put 03 instead of 05
 
2:38 AM
hai
 
PuTTY don't work tho
 
PuTTY?
 
3:07 AM
I also worry about what using a derogatory term for a prostitute to refer to someone who wants a lot of something (be it sex, reputation or something else) implies, exactly. — Obie 2.0 1 min ago
^^ "rep-prostitute" is less offensive than "rep-whore".
 
I prefer rep-worker
 
@Mysticial Be careful what you say :P. That one guy'll say "less is the keyword. still offensive" or something lol
Also, that moment when your internet simply gives up
 
> 'foo' is not usable as a constexpr function because:
> 'foo' has virtual base classes
dang
 
Hey luc
 
3:34 AM
@Darkrifts SSH client for Windows
 
What are the requirements for a language to be Turing-Complete?
 
You need infinite tape
 
So, infinite potential memory? "Branching" kind of thing too, right?
 
If you can write a Turing Machine in your language you should be all set
 
If you can create dwarf fortress in your language, it's turing complete
 
3:39 AM
lol
It should have infinite potential memory, so any other requirements?
 
> La petite ville de Montcuq, dans le sud du Lot, accueillera sa première Fête du slip jeudi 28 juillet au soir.
@KretabChabawenizc
 
@Mysticial Oh, sorry I missed this. I ragequit p. hard.
 
Basically if it can navigate memory, make changes to memory, and branch, it's probably turing complete.
 
@orlp In the end I just used a recursive expansion of a parameter pack. It's shitty and the callstack is littered with crap now. I need to benchmark to make sure it's all getting inlined and has no impact on performance, but at least it properly evaluates each thing once and then passes it through to the desired function without moves/copies inbetween, which is nice.
 
(s/Turing Machine/Universal Turing Machine/)
 
3:46 AM
Mkay. I'm looking for a simple thing I can implement to attempt to convert directly to it :P
It falls under the "probably turing complete" thing, but I'm trying to find a way to prove it :P
 
Also I just beefed the fuck out of sol with a new and improved customization point that also enables a lot of performance if the user picks it up.
 
For "Turing Complete enough", a brainfuck interpreter should suffice
 
Basically, returning a table/userdata is expensive. If you break that userdata up into multiple returns instead, it's much faster. I enabled sol to be able to seamlessly break apart and come-together from multiple returns, making the whole system A+ good.
 
I was going to try that (before 4F was added :P) but the problem was getting a proper value on the stack, because the more commands I added to increase that value, the larger it had to be lol
 
is anyone can help me solve sqlserver PDO connection issue ?
 
3:50 AM
I can't, don't know anything sql
 
lemme test on a few things: rep wh0re, rep hoe, r3p hooker, rep whor3, rep w4ore, reputation wh0re ... — Telkitty 1 min ago
 
@Darkrifts How about conway's Game of Life then?
 
I might be able to do brainf**k now
 
how's this thing implemented? — Telkitty 1 min ago
 
4F = byte integer literals. Means I don't have to increase numbers the Deadfish way
 
3:52 AM
Ooo there's an idea... someone should create yet another esoteric language and call it "reputation whore"
 
Simple, just slap deadfish commands, but without a decrement option :P
 
@ThePhD Rage-quitting is always an option when you're dealing with C++.
 
Ok, now the problem is not accessing the 00 tape at the end of the program (and not to be reached, but to be changed), but loops.
 
4:13 AM
@Darkrifts are there any conditionals at all in this language?
 
Yes, a few
11/12 are the < pair, 1B/1C are the > pair, and 2C/2D are the = pair
Left one deals with the stack data structure, right with the queue
 
How much code can be inside the conditional? Arbitrary amount?
 
1 command
BUUUUT, there's a GOTO command for that
 
No, wait... if you can do 1 command you can do an arbitrary amount...
 
Technically, since that 1 command can jump to a line of commands of arbitrary length
 
4:17 AM
So if you have goto, you can actually hook a loop?
 
Yes
 
Sounds like you have loops to me
 
BUUUUT, I can't read a loop from a file
esolangs.org/wiki/FOS-X is the whole documentation, if you care :P
 
@Darkrifts Lesson number 1 in programming. If it makes your job easier, make it
Lesson number 2. If it doesn't make your job easy enough, do something else
 
@Darkrifts as a cpp whore, I know I can implement loops using #include __FILE__, but as long as I tiptoe appropriately across blue paint I can also chain evaluation macros. Those can't loop indefinitely, but I can emulate a looper for an arbitrary number of iterations.
But if you also have goto you have quite a bit of power (I have to actually "emulate" goto when rec programming the preprocessor)
 
4:25 AM
I have 4 goto commands in it lol
A relative pair, and an absolute pair
Hey, it may have too many GOTO commands, but it also has the interesting 30 (MIRROR) command. Causes the program to start running backwards.
And, yes, when going backwards, the IF commands cause a single reverse jump in the opposite direction. No idea how this could be useful, but meh
Meh, if anyone proves FOS-X is turing complete, I'll be glad :P
Goes away because it's late
 
4:57 AM
 
> did you know you can just buy lab coats?
 
5:11 AM
@jaggedSpire You didn't think they just gave them away, did you?
 
@JerryCoffin sadly, no
 
Weee, now it's customization ready.
 
5:32 AM
And the benchmark numbers for sol2 are good too.
github.com/ThePhD/lua-bench/tree/master/lua%20-%20results I'm happy with this. There's no blemishes anymore.
All is well.
I do need to take @nwp's advice and make it so I crop outliers, because some of them are really fucking up the pretty graphs...
.... Eh, tomorrow or later tonight.
 
6:11 AM
I have a lab coat
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Might be interesting to compare with sol1.
 
@Xeo sol1 doesn't support all of those and I know the numbers are terrible (because I computed them privately).
 
Xeo
well then, show just how much better sol2 is :P
 
sol1 was a Choo Choo Trainwreck.
(performance-wise: it was still pretty good design wise)
@Xeo Yeah but effooorrrrt.
 
Nobody likes documentation but how else do you tell people they forget to RTFM ^.^
 
6:18 AM
Also. I'm running out of colors. .-.
I don't know what other color to pick for all of those selections. I'm at 13 and it's really hard to pick something that isn't just a darker shade of another color already present.
 
I clicked randomly and got a nice palette of colours ^_^
 
@Aaron3468 Shiny.
@nwp Clipping outliers helped a bunch on some graphs, but for others the performance difference was so great it didn't matter:
Thanks for the suggestion!
 
6:41 AM
@ThePhD graph would look nice, if you wrote ("slower is worse")
 
7:02 AM
It's not even that I need to have the tendency to be a hoarder, but various governments require me to keep 7 years worth of paper work
I can't find letters from 6 years ago
Does anyone else keep letters from that long ago?
 
I probably do too - amongst boxes and boxes of stuff in the garage
 
7:16 AM
today i fucking dreamt that i was in a metroid prime-like game
it was awesome, but super hostile
it's been one of my favorite dreams yet, though
 
I have a binder... But it only has official correspondences. No receipts, so I'm outta luck if I get audited
 
@ThePhD Sort by speed plix
and get rid of that dumb red line
 
@Puppy The, uh. Red is for the 'baseline', as in 'this is how fast the C version is'.
 
I can see that by just looking at the value for "plain C"
 
I guess so.
I'll have to sort and add the text.
 
Meanwhile in OpenGL docs
> A matrice is a collection of variables written in columns and rows.
 
> matrice
 
plz kill me
how do I vote for an example to be removed
oh wait I can downvote it
feels goo
docs is basically like Q&A except quality standards are much lower, you can write about absolutely irrelevant things, and you get rep if you edit someone's post
 
cools
Should we fabricate an architecture, and then write about its ISA?
Maybe start a page on MIX?
 
7:43 AM
yay my package has shipped
hopefully it'll arrive on monday
oh woop no it'll ship today
mmmm
 
wow digg is still alive
 

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