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7:01 PM
@fredoverflow I hear replacing zippers is really tough sewing
 
@sehe Replacing a zipper is really easy. You throw away the garment with the broken zipper, and buy a new one.
 
@JerryCoffin You must've been in this business for long O_O
 
@ReousaAsteron Not quite as long as me
 
@JerryCoffin or you just wear skirts with elastic fit
 
So you guys are as old as my dad o.o
Dads.
 
7:05 PM
I'm pissing on you
 
@sehe Handy as fuck.
 
> But if you like your C++ in French (including the code comments!), this new edition is your ami.
hehe
 
No you're not!
 
the Lounge is mostly full of very old fogies like Jerry, sehe, sbi and a bunch of young whippersnappers like myself, Xeo, Robot
 
Well wow
You guys are quite fun though
 
7:06 PM
not sure if I can name anybody in the middle
 
Does that make me the youngest around
 
I'm 35. Not sure where that puts me.
 
and I think @Morwenn is in the middle
 
you don't fit into my neat mental model; therefore you are now banished
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked in a midlife crisis.
 
7:07 PM
Behold the puppisher
LOL
 
@Zoidberg lol
 
@ReousaAsteron I'm 24. That's hardly in the middle.
 
@Morwenn You're in my train
But 24 should be in the middle o-o
 
no
this is not a children's chat
 
That's older than the middle
 
7:10 PM
So is the middle like 40+
Gon take me a while to get there
There's someone new in the room
 
Growing older takes time but it's effortless.
 
Waiting is effort
 
@StackedCrooked Not sure, not dying requires some efforts.
 
@StackedCrooked Incorrect
Growing older has a precondition of not being dead
 
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7:13 PM
It doesn't count if you die.
 
O RLY
 
@sehe lol
 
@sehe Heh, nice.
 
@sehe but what if I have all my invariants captured in types and constructively proven?!
 
> Your application is a special snowflake
 
7:14 PM
@sehe I guess I could legitimately wear a Flanagan tartan.
 
I write tests. But I don't do TDD really.
 
I write code then tests
 
@ScarletAmaranth That means you run the tests early
 
I write regression tests.
 
Me too
 
7:14 PM
How am I supposed to test something that doesn't even exist? I never understood that
 
I have to
 
And occasionally some unit tests, just in case when I have nothing better to do.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь You can't. But by having the test, you can tell when it exists
 
Well according to Einestein we're actually traveling through time so growing older is effort. #Fact
 
user1804599
I want to make diagrams like this one:
 
user1804599
7:15 PM
 
do we have a new cinch?
 
Use photoshop
 
Paint.
 
@Zoidberg permission granted
 
7:17 PM
I ain't gonna read something that long :(
 
user1804599
I don't know a good tool.
 
you're one
 
@Zoidberg woops
 
@ScarletAmaranth nope
 
@Zoidberg Not exactly the same but similar: CTAN: Package bytefield
 
7:19 PM
close
 
@JerryCoffin 21 pages... eh I'll just read the summary :P
 
Who/What is cinch o-o
 
@Zoidberg Different but close as well:
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Q: How to Draw Vertical Arrays with Diagonal Arrows to Represent Memory in TikZ?

Oeufcoque PenteanoI am trying to find a way to use TikZ to create as much as possible a collection of lecture notes (1), (2) for an introductory level course in data structures for a public free uni of my country. I have been successful so far in finding trees, arrays and so on, but I was not able to find an sta...

 
@Zoidberg This is a good tool:
 
user1804599
bleh latex
 
7:21 PM
@Zoidberg know anything better?
 
@Borgleader Read the first paragraph of each section, then the remainder of the section if that's not enough about that subject. Well worth taking the time to read the whole thing though (IMO).
 
holy fifteen-hundred-line file
 
user1804599
Visio maybe
 
user1804599
but it isn't free
 
over eight hundred of those lines are tests
 
7:22 PM
by the way
Puppy just dumped like 40 pictures in #floof
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Small.
@Morwenn You are a tool.
 
@Borgleader Here's a short piece that gives at least some idea of the general direction: "☞ Tests should be designed with great care. Business people, rather than programmers, should design most functional tests. Unit tests should be limited to those that can be held up against some “third-party” success criteria."
 
@Zoidberg this one seems pretty draw.io
I literally googled "Tools to make the diagram zoidberg wants"
Google is smart.
 
@JerryCoffin I dunno, it's hard to really figure out what he's talking about or if he has a genuine point. I read the first couple pages and it just seemed to be "Waaaah, programs much bigger now, waaaaah, harder to reason about big/complicated programs, waaaaah, I want FORTRAN back!"
 
@JerryCoffin Hmm, interesting point.
 
7:25 PM
@ReousaAsteron That is just some UML crap.
 
@Puppy Wow. I guess I can see how you could draw that conclusion, but it seems pretty far-fetched. Most of the mention of FORTRAN was just pointing out (correctly) that those who try to treat unit testing as something new and innovative are full of crap.
 
@JerryCoffin A lot of the mentions I saw were "It's way harder to reason about programs now than it was when I wrote FORTRAN"
which is both probably true and irrelevant, since the requirements for modern programs is vastly larger than the feature set of FORTRAN programs
 
@wilx But I made a diagram in it D:
 
user1804599
@ReousaAsteron Nice! Thanks!
 
user1804599
It works great!
 
7:27 PM
@Zoidberg Welcome c:
 
personally I don't consider automated testing as new and innovative; it's obviously just "Take a thing a human has to do (testing) and make a computer do it instead where possible", which seems like a fairly obvious thing
 
user1804599
 
@Zoidberg What do you think of UML modelling wrt software engineering?
 
user1804599
Do it if it improves your documentation.
 
7:34 PM
Dec 25 '15 at 22:58, by orlp
honestly, UML should be mandatory
I don't understand the point of forced UML as a way to define what you are going to do
Especially as the project grows in size
 
I think you misread then. I just went back and reread the first couple of pages, and the only thing that's even sort of similar to that is:

In a given computing context, the exact function to be called is determined at run-time and cannot be deduced from the source code as it could in FORTRAN. That made it impossible to reason about run-time behaviour [sic] of code by inspection alone.
You had to run the program to get the faintest idea of what was going on. So, testing became in again.
 
well, the whole first paragraph is nothing but extolling the virtues of FORTRAN programs and how easy they are.
then there's
 
That's not anything like crying about it being harder to reason about--it's just pointing out what led to unit testing becoming a big thing again.
 
> In a given computing context, the exact function to be called is determined at run-time and cannot be deduced from the source code as it could in FORTRAN.
 
@Puppy Which, (as already noted above) was just the lead in to: "So, testing became in again."
I'll repeat: this isn't extolling the virtues of FORTRAN. It's just pointing out why unit testing became a big thing when it did.
 
7:38 PM
@JerryCoffin The lead in is all about how great FORTRAN programs are.
so it's hard for me to read anything else into it
 
@Puppy Meow.
 
especially as he dedicates his entire front page to this leadin
if it was just a sentence or two, then sure
then you've still got followups like
> The lack of any explicit calling structure made it difficult to place any single function execution in the context of its execution. What little chance there might have been to do so was taken away by polymorphism.
and secondly, the guy is really big into formal methods and formal theories that I think have little to do with making enough new features every week to appease my boss whilst avoiding too many bugs.
 
@Puppy I think you're mostly seeing what you want to see. From from extolling the virtues of how great FORTRAN programmers are, virtually every sentence contains caveats: "There was hope that a good designer could understand a given function’s business purpose. And it was possible, at least in well-structured code, to reason about the calling tree."
 
@JerryCoffin Which pretty much implies exactly the opposite now- if you're in C# you can't possibly understand a given function's business purpose, regardless of how good you are, how well-structured it is, etc.
so it's drawing a direct comparison and saying "In FORTRAN if you were good, you could do this, but in Java, fuck you dude, it's unachievable. This is obviously because I consider it massively inferior in every way. We should go back to using the things that are not shit."
not that Java is not a terrible language, but that's not got a huge amount to do with the stuff he's discussing
 
user1804599
Java is really nice.
 
7:48 PM
Java sucks, the platform doesn't
 
@Zoidberg It is
 
Why do people consider java shitty? o-o
 
@Puppy The only reasonable conclusion here is that you need to go back to elementary school and learn how to read. Sorry, but for somebody who claims to be a genius, you're making a lot of amazingly obvious errors.
 
use it for ten minutes and you'll find out
 
@ReousaAsteron because people like to complain about things that they don't like
 
7:51 PM
@Puppy someone else telling me to pass by reference :P
 
user1804599
template<typename RandomAccessIt>
object* make_program(gc& gc, RandomAccessIt code_begin, RandomAccessIt code_end) {
    auto object = gc.alloc(0, code_end - code_begin);
    std::copy(code_begin, code_end, object->data());
    return object;
}

template<typename RandomAccessIt>
object* make_closure(gc& gc, object* program, RandomAccessIt free_begin, RandomAccessIt free_end) {
    auto object = gc.alloc(1 + (free_end - free_begin), 0);
    *object->begin() = program;
    std::copy(free_begin, free_end, object->begin() + 1);
 
user1804599
This is so nice. :D
 
@ReousaAsteron Java language is annoying
 
I still haven't learned templates T.T
 
@Zoidberg garbage collection in C++?
 
user1804599
7:54 PM
Yes many garbage collectors are implemented in C++.
 
user1804599
I don't see what is special about it.
 
user1804599
See .NET and Java.
 
I think you misunderstood what I was asking...
 
user1804599
Then maybe you shouldn't ask cryptic questions.
 
@JerryCoffin Well, it's hardly gonna earn you debate points to just insult the other guy; but I guess the debate is over either way.
 
7:57 PM
@Puppy I'm not being insulting. I'm pointing out the observed fact that there's a huge difference between what's there and what you think you're reading.
 
@Zoidberg Is gc a garbage collector?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
No, Graphics Card
 
No, Great Cunt
 
@набиячлэвэлиь You.
 
7:59 PM
@JerryCoffin Well, it is fairly insulting, since you're presuming that what you think you're reading is what's actually there, and what I think I'm reading is independent, instead of both perspectives being independent.
 
Wow. Missed the Lahore new until just there, now (twitter is not very forthcoming in my timeline).
. The bit at the end messes with my feelings though: Can't risk bad puns with the directions my emotions go there https://t.co/Mdd8giQVaC
 
@Puppy Well, I suppose they're both independent, but there's a huge difference: I've taken the time to read the whole thing, instead of looking at ~10% of it, and drawing a conclusion about the paper as a whole (and apparently the author as well) based solely on what's basically just the introduction.
 
eh, I haven't really formed an opinion about the paper as a whole, except that it didn't really seem worth investigating further
 
user1804599
> error: invalid initialization of non-const reference of type ‘const char*&’ from an rvalue of type ‘char*’
 
user1804599
:'(
 
8:16 PM
@melak47 YEah, but you can't have rvalue / lvalue values in templates. It's just a value, IIRC?
Maybe. Not a clue.
 
@ThePhD eh? :D
 
vOv
 
@Puppy ...without bothering to get to the actual core of the paper at all. Oh well, your loss.
 
well, that's what pruning is for
 
Eitherway, does anyone here have a Mac OSX machine and feel like cracking open XCode and running a few tests for me?
 
8:18 PM
if I got to the core of the paper it would have little benefit to me to check out the start and then make a judgement about if I want to proceed
 
There's a peculiar error in Mac OSX with appleclang and I'd like to attempt to solve it.
 
@ElimGarak has a bunch of macs IIRC :D
 
@ThePhD No.
 
@Puppy As it is, it's been a detriment to you.
 
I dunno, I think it's been a benefit
 
8:21 PM
Grr. DigitalOcean doesn't offer OSX images...
Nobody offers images other than Linux stuff.
Why do Windows / OSX servers have to be so fucking hard to deal with and expensive. =/
 
I've saved time I could have spent reading the paper
@ThePhD OSX is a lot worse than Windows in this regard.
Windows images are harder to come by because you have to pay.
OSX images are basically impossible to come by because IIRC the licence bans you from running it on non-Apple hardware.
 
@Puppy No, you don't think. You've jumped to a conclusion. Actual thought would require that you gather a real basis for thought. As it stands now, your conclusion is based for more on your existing preconceptions than on the actual content of the paper.
 
It's that time again.
My headphones have bit the dirt.
Recommendations for simple wireless headset?
 
Ell
@ThePhD why do you need not Linux?
 
@Ell Because I have a failure case specifically with appleclang on OSX.
The code works across compiler versions on all major OS distributions, except this compiler / OS combination.
 
8:25 PM
@ThePhD Because they are hardly free?
 
@JerryCoffin I've read the parts of the paper I've formed thoughts about.
 
The charging mechanism
for all these wireless headphones
are so ASS.
But it's not even teh charging mechanism right now
the little receiver blip USB thing is busted.
 
Property Tree strikes again stackoverflow.com/a/36269945/85371
Seriously, I can't count the number of times people have mistaken that library for their obvious expectations of it.
You can't "do" XML and JSON and not have people assume a lot of functionality
 
Key/value store with only text as a value type doesn't sound very useful IMO
 
user1804599
FELDSPAR_PUSH(*(call_stack.back().closure->begin() + 1 + index));
 
8:37 PM
@milleniumbug abstraction is a thing. After all, JSON as well as XML are all text
But you pin pointed the source of confusion: "it doesn't sound very useful".
I guess that's 2 decades of OOP indoctrination
OTOH. "It doesn't sound very useful" is direct companion of "Wishful thinking"
 
Well, you want schemas and data types often enough to make a difference
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36270310/now-that-vs2015-is-out-whats-your-best-setup-to-modify-roslyn-with-debugging is a perfectly reasonable question, but those who just closed it have no clue, and screw the new user.
@milleniumbug And sometimes you don't. Because the code has the schema. It's a no-brainer really.
And, surprise, this is precisely the corner that Boost Property Tree fills.
 
user1804599
My code is terrific.
 
well to be fair
 
It actually does it quite nicely (with some warts) but it's really easily mistaken for something else
 
8:42 PM
Boost Property Tree does not scream to me "I do JSON serialization"
 
Good for you. I'm simply observing from all the question that either are directly lamenting lack of functionality or showing the progressed pain of people who already painted themselves in a corner with earlier assumptions
There's not dozens. At least a hundred - just on SO.
 
The Shpongle live band is awesome, I could watch them play all day *-*
 
@fredoverflow s/"C"/"C/C++"/
 
is there a simple way to speedup infoq videos?
 
8:46 PM
Have you listened to the speaker? You don't wanna speed him up.
 
user1804599
case opcode::return_:
    call_stack.pop_back();
    if (call_stack.empty()) {
        return thread_state::finished;
    } else {
        break;
    }
 
user1804599
This is just hilarious.
 
sbi
@Morwenn Oh, Didier Squiban! I have a (very) few albums by him. Most of it is wonderful stuff. /cc @sehe
Good evening, people.
 
@sbi I'm axtually surprised you know about him :o
 
@Zoidberg Is it? IDGI.
 
8:48 PM
@sbi Hi
 
sbi
@Morwenn Ah, I have been into a lot of weird music at some time or other.
 
I didn't really like his latest symphony, but most of the older stuff is great.
 
sbi
@Morwenn I know next to nothing about him. I only have... turns around to the shelf ...four CDs.
From the 90s, likely.
 
I guess I listened to almost everything and I play some of his music on the piano.
On the other hand... well, he's from Brest so that not all that surprising.
 
sbi
Ah, now I remember, Three of those all belong together.
@Morwenn Oh, you play as well? Interesting. I think @sehe at some point was on his way to a career as a musician.
 
8:50 PM
Molène, Porzh Gwen and and Rozbras?
 
sbi
Indeed. Very wide grin.
And Ballades.
 
@sbi I saw him sight-read a piece that took me month to learn (and I still don't know it) on livecode. He's impressive.
I mostly listen to Symphonie Iroise nowadays.
 
sbi
Whatever that is. :)
 
Squiban wrote three symphonies, Iroise is the second :p
 
sbi
Ah, so it's a piece of music by Squiban.
In my CD shelf, he's sorted in between Wim Mertens and George Winston. That probably tells you a lot about my ability to appreciate music. :)
 
8:53 PM
@sehe Precisely.
 
:D
I saw the third symphony live, but I was even more impressed by the first piece: La Prison Aérienne by Pierre-Yves Moign. It was an impressive orchestral piece that really moved me, and I fear I won't ever be able to listen to it again.
 
sbi
Why is that?
 
Pierre-Yves Moign was a local composer far less known than Squiban who died a few months before the said live, hence the tribute. The live wasn't recorded, and it seems that the piece was simply never recorded.
 
sbi
Aah, I see. So it's technical/organizational problems. (Rather than, say, you're not being able to live through another performance.)
 
Oh wait, he's still more famous than I thought he was.
@sbi Well, I wouldn't be surprised if there was actually no other performance.
 
user1804599
8:58 PM
> (sic)ness
 
user1804599
dat shortening of "sicness (sic)"
 
sbi
@Morwenn I have never been able to get much out of symphonic orchestra music. It's not that I dislike it, some pieces I like a lot, but I always have the suspicion that other people do get more out of it. I dunno why, I have liked some weird stuff in different times of my life, including long pieces not unlike symphonic music, but few "classic" pieces ever caught my attention, and nothing ever caught it enough for me to go and buy something.
 
I hardly ever listen to classic pieces. That one was some that you felt more than something you listen to. I know some people who were there and just found the piece horrible and without a structure.
To me it was just describing an atmosphere, but an impressive one.
 
sbi
See, there it is again: the nagging feeling that some people get more out of it than I ever did. :)
 
Eh, I mostly listen to music for the atmosphere nowadays :)
 
sbi
9:04 PM
@Morwenn I mostly do not listen to music at all anymore, nowadays. :(
 
That's a bit sad :/
 
sbi
I'm sad about it myself, but I just don't feel like it most of the times.
And even if I put something on, it's mostly some stuff I have already known. There's been very little new music for me in the last half decade. :(
 
It happens to me from time to time when I want to listen to something different, but I just don't know what to listen to and most new things have suddenly no appeal.
 
only jazz left when that happens to me or silience
 
sbi
@Morwenn I thought this is old age, but you are young, I though?
 
9:07 PM
At best, this is basically a link-only answer. Please add enough here that when the link dies, this answer will remain meaningful and useful. — Jerry Coffin 3 mins ago
@JerryCoffin honestly, this just looks like propaganda. Or the question should have been "Have the painful issues of the past been resolved if we follow guide X?" (answer "Yes")
 
@sbi I don't think there has been these years I haven't willingfully listened to music for at least a few hours. But at some points in the day, nothing is appealing to my ears anymore :p
A big problem is to learn what to listen to and how to like new genres.
 
@Morwenn Happens to me all the time. Most annoying with actually playing. I "treat" it by through playing random books or old CDs
 
sbi
@JohanLarsson I never cared much for Jazz. I mostly ever liked it when I used to go to jam sessions in the 90s. (Well, that and Keith Jarret's Kölln Concert, which allegedly is supposed to be Jazz, too.)
 
22 hours ago, by sehe
In good news, also current status http://open.spotify.com/track/0VMmb1cVJXOhRhFAOvsIC7
 
@sehe As it is, true. Nonetheless, it looks like real information could be added to turn it into a meaningful answer.
 
9:09 PM
@sbi Don't tell me you were there.
 
sbi
@sehe I'm an East German, remember?
 
@sehe I'll look for it on yt, stopped using spotify
 
@JerryCoffin I'm not sure. Could be duplicating off-site info in non-authoritative clone | I'll let Jason decide whether it's worth it
@sbi Yeah I do. Yet, the implication was strong :)
 
sbi
@sehe I apologize. That certainly wasn't my intention.
 
9:11 PM
@JohanLarsson Principled? Or is it not possible to listen unless paid (? I don't remember. I think I knew spotify before I was payed member)
@sbi It was part wish on my side. That concert was iconic.
I'd have given something to be at e.g. Bill Evans' Tokyo concert
 
@sehe not sure why just used yt more and never renewed the subscription
 
sbi
@sehe I can hum along most of it.
 
@JohanLarsson I like YT, but (a) the wasted bandwidth (b) doesn't quite behave as well in background
 
@sehe It could be. And it could be that it would be better to change SO's rules to allow link-only (or nearly so, like this) answers. As things stand now, however, it's clearly not really an answer according to SO's rules.
 
@JerryCoffin Isn't the "Documentation" initiative coming along for this?
 
9:13 PM
@sehe my (a) with yt is that things gets removed all the time
leaving frustrating gaps in playlists
things I will never remember what it was
 
sbi
@Morwenn I mostly pick up things from the radio. We have one pretty good radio station here (RadioEins) which has these music specials in the evening (three per week night, IIRC), and some of the moderators put on rather nice and interesting stuff. Over the years, I have found a lot of very good music through these. But then, I don't hear them anymore.
 
@sehe Yes, I think so (though it's hard to be sure, of course).
 
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@sbi Some radios stations are indeed good. I remember listening to one when I worked in Nantes, but since they never told the pieces' names, I couldn't find most of them on the internet later (also, they don't have a website).
 
@sehe I guess I hadn't read through that in detail (and still haven't) but at least at first glance, it certainly seems like a much better fit here.
 
9:18 PM
Me neither. Just stuck in the back of my mind
 
user1804599
This music is hilarious.
 
@Zoidberg That one is great :D
Reminds me a bit of 6:33.
 
@JerryCoffin Chucked
 
sbi
@Morwenn You can lookup all their songs life while they are playing (and later). ISTR they even tweet the songs life using a special account. Except for the music specials, which are not run by the computer, but a human, where they say the name of every band and song, and put the stuff online afterwards. (Today's is a bit messed-up, because it's a holiday and they had an 8hrs special with only German music.)
 
9:20 PM
I'll bookmark it. Maybe I'll find something I like :)
 
sbi
@Morwenn I think you can listen to it on the web, right now it should be Freddy Dreamer's Anything goes. (Not sure that works from outside Germany, though. German law is funny in that regard.) But then the music specials moderators always do a lot of talking about the music, and that, of course, is done in German, which you probably do not enjoy as much as I do. :) I especially used to listen to Christine Heise's Happy Sad on Thursday night. She'd always play something I like.
 
All wireless headsets are shit.
 
Oh, I tend not to enjoy people talking at all, no matter the language, which is why I generally don't listen to the radio.
 
sbi
:-/
Do you know Wim Mertens, BTW?
 
Not at all.
 
sbi
9:31 PM
 
@ThePhD Mine isn't. But I don't really use it much.
 
@sbi That's pretty good. It reminds me a bit of Mike Oldfield for some reason.
 
sbi
@Morwenn Um. What?
 
@ThePhD cnet.com/products/philips-hd1500-dolby-digital-headphones it's ooooold now though. I think it's superseded by smaller versions
 
There's something close to the sound in Tubular Bells 3.
 
sbi
9:38 PM
@Morwenn Mhmm. I never listened much to TB, TBH, even though this was my time back then. So it could be. But did you notice that there were 4 links? :) IMO he is done many different things.
I am currently listening to this live concert from 2005.
 
@sbi Haha no, I didn't notice, you monkey :D
 
sbi
@Morwenn Oi! No need to be impolite!
 
@sbi On the contrary, I was trying to be polite.
 
@Morwenn monkey != ape
 
Aw :/
 
sbi
@Morwenn Read through this until you got it. And, hopefully, the librarian won't have noticed. Otherwise your head would be kinda screwed... off.
 
I guess apes are what we call « grands singes ».
Yeah, that's pretty much it. Well, in French we'd call anything « singe » unless we really talk about the « grands singes » for some very specific reason, but those are still singes. I didn't know people could be pickier in Engish .___.
 
sbi
Alas, that concert reminds me of what has always been my problem with Mertens: I always feel like I need to ask "Is he serious?" I cannot describe the urge to ask (or even giggle at some of his stuff) even in German, let alone in English, but it's a very pronounced feeling I have with a lot of his music.
 
Well, the vocals are a bit...
 
sbi
@Morwenn There's only one word for this in German as well ("Affen"), although we use "Menschenaffen" to describe apes. If you had read any Pratchett, though, you would have known to not to make that mistake.
 
9:47 PM
I haven't, even though I have several books at home.
 
sbi
@Morwenn ...castrated? But this, too, makes me question him. As I said, I am unable to describe why.
 
The precursor of epic music.
 
sbi
@Morwenn You should read some.
But only read the later ones after you have either read through all the earlier ones or did not enjoy the few earlier ones you tried. He got better and better with the years, to the point where I cannot enjoy his earlier work as much anymore, even though I used to like it a lot.
 
@sbi There are far too many things at home I should read -_-
 
sbi
@Morwenn Well, then what are you doing here?
:)
 
9:52 PM
@sbi Listening to music while chatting or something :p
 
sbi
@Morwenn Well, maybe that's the reason I am here tonight then: I have just finished a book this morning, and need to decide which one to tackle next. :)
 
Honestly, the only books that really kept me captivated these years were by Ryu Murakami.
 
user1804599
Mind blown.
 
sbi
@Zoidberg We already knew that.
@Morwenn Ryu Murakami? Who is that? I only know Haruki Murakami.
He had some pretty good books, though.
 
9:57 PM
@sbi Haruki is the well-known one that I never read, Ryu is the one that writes some pretty mentally heavy stuff. Generally in a distopic modern (well, 1970~1980) Japan.
 
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Um. I thought this was what Haruki did. :-/
FWIW, since this year, I have read most of of The Witcher series, and plowed my way through lots of Ursula Le Guin. Between them, that's about a dozen books.
 
Almost Transparent Blue is probably the only book I could read again and again.
@sbi The books by Ursula Le Guin were awesome :o
The most interesting pace I have encountered for fantasy books so far.
 
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@Morwenn She is magnificent. I love how she plays with gender roles and other stuff. What have you read by her?
 
Only the first 4 books of Earthsea. I want to read the remaining ones.
 

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