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3:00 PM
:)
Interesting
Someone's selling a Sebenza knife for 275 PLN
that's about $70
they claim it's new. New ones ordered from the manufacturer start at about $250.
the certificate of authenticity has 2013 on it
oh right "MADE IN CHINA"
derp
of course the knife itself has "idaho made" on it
oh right it states it's a copy in the description
somewhere in the middle of the text
uh
damn now I want one
 
Ell
3:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz LED ones?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't really see what this knife is useful for.
 
@Puppy For, um, cutting things?
@Ell too. The link is above
 
Can I not use a bracket initializer to give a value to a std::array<std::array<int,N>,N>?
 
I mean yes you don't buy a $400 knife if the only thing you do is opening boxes
 
@BartekBanachewicz Like what things is that suitable for cutting?
 
3:37 PM
@Puppy You mean material wise?
 
yes.
 
I guess it's good enough for pretty much everything
clothes, rope, food
wood
I suppose aluminium in small quantities as well
I don't really get the question
 
well I'm trying to imagine what I might possibly want to use such a knife for.
it looks much too short to usefully cut food
 
there are two versions
 
rope is not a thing I use as I am not a peasant
 
3:40 PM
lol what
 
and for wood or clothes I'd reach for e.g. scissors or saw.
 
how is that related
@Puppy you're thinking stationary uses. This is a portable tool.
There are non-foldable knifes for specialized uses as well
but portability is the key thing to observe here. It has to be small enough to be easily carried in e.g. a pocket
 
well, yes, I did observe the whole portability thing
but so far I have yet to observe any situation in which I need a portable knife.
 
Do you travel?
Go camping?
Participate in outdoor activities far from civilization?
If not, you probably don't need one.
 
ok
 
3:44 PM
You might be better off with e.g. a Leatherman
 
so it's not utterly useless, it just has a specialized use
 
@Puppy it's not really that specialized, as in, there are probably more people doing more outdoor activities than you realize
But again, for typical day-to-day use a Victorinox or a Leatherman are more practical
The Sebenza is great if you really need extreme durability and reliability
 
what is the best book for best coding style in c++
 
Style isn't something that books typically have
it's rather subjective
unless you really meant "best practices"
 
yes
 
3:52 PM
find the general C++ book list on SO
you should find something there
 
general? definitive :)
@BartekBanachewicz clean code, beautiful code, code complete, TDD, BDD, etc.
 
The Art of Readable Code
 
@BartekBanachewicz Uh. Style is usually that.
@Borgleader He. I had never heard of that. Although the title is of something I'd write
 
Its about 30$ on Amazon. Worth a read imo.
 
 
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5:06 PM
ugh defrosting chicken takes so much time
 
descends farther into pokemon madness
 
@jaggedSpire what about your mother?
 
@Borgleader she's already gone
 
nah, neither of my parents were playing last time I checked
 
5:09 PM
Oh, for a second i thought you meant "gone" as in dead
i felt really guilty
 
Here's an answer that deserves a few more up-votes: stackoverflow.com/a/38412988/179910
 
:P For future reference, both my parents are alive (as I suppose you can surmise from how they weren't playing)
 
so what's really challenging in pokemon go
what does the game offer
genuine question
assume I've played Ingress already
 
if offers the chance to catch pokemon
pokemon
 
ok what's the mechanic for catching one
reflex-based minigame?
pure luck?
 
5:12 PM
more accuracy based
but there is an element of luck after 10
when the pokemon especially pidgeys start escaping their balls at random
 
as near as I can tell, the only meaningful gameplay mechanic is "OMG POKEMON!"
 
they don't escape once you've got them in your inventory, but they may break out just after you've got them in
pretty much :P
You may also battle for control of gyms, but there are limited benefits to controlling them
but really I'm exactly the sort of person that enjoys meaningless pursuit of level gain--I spent years playing runescape
 
fucking microwave
half of my chicken is cooked, half is frozen
And I used 10-30% power
@jaggedSpire meh
 
the part that encourages gameplay beyong omg pokemon is the opportunity to go out and see new things and interact with people
 
yes but all other AR games have that
 
5:17 PM
The lure of pokemon as I gather isn't based on the skill of capturing them... it's more about exploration and collecting (where grinding plays into the collecting)
 
yeah, but pokemon go is most popular
 
I already mentioned that other AR games makes more creative use of the surroundings
@jaggedSpire so is PHP, doesn't mean it's not shit
 
lol
I've been enjoying it
 
and frankly everything I heard about Pokemon Go it's that it's a rehash of old franchise with minimal mechanics and random AR slapped on top
@jaggedSpire people enjoy the weirdest things on the internet
 
I'll see if I'm still enjoying it in a month
 
5:19 PM
my guess is a lot of people will get bored with it
not really sure what's the incentive for playing more
 
better pokemon
it's in version 0.29.2 right now. I wouldn't expect it to be feature-rich at this point
 
if it's "0" and "29" it's literally meaningless
I guess we'll see what they will add
 
All my gamer friends already got bored of it.
Which is good because I don't have to punch them.
Though now the casuals are getting into it :<
@BartekBanachewicz but neither of those has the most popular game IP.
 
5:38 PM
oooh my fav brewery announced new one
 
@BartekBanachewicz Actually, being a rehash of an old franchise with random AR slapped on top is a really big deal. This game taps into wish fulfillment of everyone who enjoyed the original franchise. It's easy to see why it's so popular.
 
"Jasmine Sencha TeaPA"
this is gonna be great
@HWalters It also lines up nicely with my idea that most people are easily satisfied idiots
 
@HWalters It's not a really big deal. The summary you just gave makes it sound like a cheap tie-in with a crappy gimmick.
 
@Puppy which is an accurate description really
 
@BartekBanachewicz Has nothing to do with being an idiot. Quite plainly, all it's doing is violating your expectations that a game must be skill based.
 
5:42 PM
IDGI where you think I have those expectations
I enjoyed Uncharted and I enjoyed Starcraft
 
And Puppy... sure. It's a gimick. But that doesn't take away the fact that it successfully taps into an appeal.
 
One is skill-based, the other isn't
Point being they both other something substantial to the player
Pokemon Go, as far as I can see, doesn't
if you use a GPS spoofer what's left is dissapointingly primitive
@HWalters of course it's successful. But we're not debating that.
A lot of terrible things are successful
Autotune music is undoubtedly successful
 
@HWalters The thing we're arguing is that it's a bad appeal.
it's just exploiting people by making them buy your product without actually making a good product or a product really worth buying.
 
Bartek: Your questions leading up to your meaningless value judgments on people who enjoy this particular pass time were "what's really challenging in pokemon go", "what does the game offer", "what's the mechanic for catching one/reflex-based minigame?"
That's where I get you have those expectations
 
@BartekBanachewicz most games suck if you cheat. That's not really specific to Pokémon Go.
 
5:49 PM
(Incidentally, full disclaimer, I don't play pokemon go)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Most games don't have "Tell company your physical location on a real-time basis" as a mechanic.
 
eh that's not really that relevant
 
@BartekBanachewicz for many, it's the product they have wanted for years, so "making them buy" doesn't really fit.
 
altough it would be funny if they sold your location data
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's what puppy said, not me
 
well
I of course cannot speak for others
 
5:50 PM
I am merely expressing my resentment towards how cheaply those people are satisfied
 
but I must say that I wouldn't trust them not to sell it for three seconds
 
Sorry, misping.
 
and there's no way that I would send it
 
@Puppy do you think that in your case someone could utilize your location data in any meaningful way?
like here I pretty much to go work, back, go shopping, and rollerskate
 
intuitively, I would not expect that it would be that uesful
 
5:52 PM
unless you mean things like breaking in when I'm not home, which is pretty primitive
 
but on the other hand, all the recent stuff about mass metadata collection
 
@Puppy it creates paranoia
 
the simple fact is that the location data can be combined with a bunch of other data and run through algorithms written by people much smarter than me with access to a lot more data than me.
so taking a bet that they can't figure things out based on it is silly.
 
that's why I try to run with as many things public as I can
and focus on very little amount of things that should remain private
 
personally I simply restrict outgoing data as much as possible
and don't trust anybody or any service.
 
5:54 PM
vOv that still doesn't mean you're safe
 
no it doesn't
 
and in the event something leaks I think you'd be way sadder than me
 
but it's better than not doing anything
 
but is it
 
yes.
 
5:55 PM
why?
 
because
at the very least, my enemies will need to work a little harder
 
how many enemies do you have
 
and I also like giving them the finger, even if it's a mostly figurative statement
@BartekBanachewicz Anybody who wants to know anything about me that I did not explicitly consent to tell them.
 
you know what you're saying fits textbook paranoia right
unnecessarily securing data is bad btw
 
nope.
fuck everybody who wants one single bit.
 
5:58 PM
I think it's at the core of efficient security
data should be evaluated as to how secure it should be
 
it's not really that efficient, though.
 
and that directly translates into stating that some data should be more secure than others
 
I'd need to spend all my time thinking about what data I'm leaking from what activities and I'd need to actually be able to figure out what can be learned about me based on it (which changes on a continual basis)
it's much simpler to just cancel my Google accounts
frankly
those fucking tax-evaders steal so much money from our government, it's practically my civil duty to fuck them whenever possible
 
who do you mean
Google
 
yeah
 
6:01 PM
I suppose the first step would be to stop using their services
 
yeah
 
so you don't use Gmail or Google Search
 
I'm thinking about how that's gonna work and it's problematic unfortunately
 
so you're not fulfilling your civil duty
 
currently
 
6:02 PM
you're such a bad person
thank god my civil duty doesn't give a fuck about that
 
meh
it's bad government really
should be illegal
 
so now you're blaming the government which is supposedly the victim of Google
@Puppy wait, what should be illegal? Google as a whole?
 
or selling personal information, which is already illegal and noone gives a fuck
 
Google succeed in evading taxes because our idiotic government can't fix gaping holes in our tax laws.
 
6:03 PM
I presume you could fix those holes
why don't you tell them the solution to that problem
I'm sure they'd appreciate it
 
nah
they're too busy competing to see who can bend over and get fucked the most
 
you should become the king
you could solve all the problems then
(just wait until uk actually brexits plz)
 
@Puppy I only use search. Calendar at work, but I have no choice there.
@BartekBanachewicz not really. You need to get better textbooks.
 
6:29 PM
lol watching Nerchio vs Marinelord, Marinelord down to 0 scvs
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz it's mostly geocaching + a little AR
IMHO it's pretty cool
 
Geocaching is "secret" and you won't find stamps with notes saying "send me a postcard" in Pokéstops.
(I found that in a cache once :D)
 
best way of conjuring a set of partially applied functions at compile time in C++? (I have a bunch of primes available statically and want a bunch of function<int(int)>, with prime ^ baked in)
 
Lambda returned from template function?
Or just template function pointers.
 
templating function pointers will do nicely, thanks robor
 
6:49 PM
@ScarletAmaranth I write functors
 
nwp
7:12 PM
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my experience with pokemon go in a nutshell
 
7:42 PM
@Ell why am I not surprised
I just watched one of the weirdest movies ever
it's called The Signal
Frankly I'm not sure what to think about it
 
Ven
Yo
@Puppy how did it go? Marinelord punched his away against earlier protosses (3-0 vs neeb)
 
@Ven Marinelord got absolutely stomped.
4-0
he just couldn't make his aggression work, Nerchio defended well every time (even Dasan Station), always entered the mid/late game with a big deficit, and lost to Nerchio's bigger economy
he didn't drop a single map before meeting Nerchio, 12-0 in his favour
I think that really tells you that LoTV is immature and not very well figured out
@BartekBanachewicz gaems
 
7:57 PM
@Puppy k
 
Ven
@Puppy well there was a queen buff a week or so ago, players are not quite used to it
Curious won 2 maps in proleague this morning very convincingly, TRUE-style
 
@Ven Didn't really make a difference I think
 
Ven
Zerg is my weakest race, i have 35% win with it :/
@Puppy it makes a big difference for early game, because queens work much better to deter early game pressure, so terran can't get the needed lead to get into midgame
(In the kor meta) In TvZ you're supposed to be the agressor at the beginning, pressure their 3rd, then play defensive to get your own base (defensive in mid game) and get back to aggro in late game
Kespa sent a report around 1-2 months ago to sc2 team about how terran is strong nowadays
In 2016, TvZ has 60% winrate for terran hence the queen buff
 
nwp
> We are currently offline for maintenance
SO
 
user1804599
8:20 PM
Pokémon Go is great
 
user1804599
C++ on YT
 
Okay granted I didn't watch the entire thing... but was that a three minute YouTube video on "get a compiler or an IDE"?
 
user1804599
Get neither; get rekt
 
8:36 PM
@HWalters What disturbed me was the beautiful 10 second intro followed by... well, whatever you wanna call the abomination that comes next.
 
@Bassie FYI, an IDE is a text environment written in Turbo Vision, which is where you write code. And if you want to know what it stands for, watch the video where they read the definition out of the first google hit.
(Source: Their C programming series)
 
What is "Turbo Vision"?
 
They don't say "Turbo Vision", but Turbo Vision is an ancient text GUI used by Borland
 
I just caught a genuinely weird number of magicarp
before today I caught one, maybe two.
 
@jaggedSpire y u no discord?
 
8:44 PM
and then today I caught four in a single half-hour, and they all spawned in precisely the same location
 
I'm sad
 
My copy of windows is very sick right now, and I only auto-login to discord on windows
but for you bby I'll get on
 
awww thanks
 
How old is Pokemon? I remember a program called POKE MON on the Commodore 64, it was a monitor if I remember correctly.
Do people even know what a monitor is? :)
It's a kind of live disassembler.
And since you POKEd stuff into memory, POKE MON made a lot of sense as a name.
Apparently, Pokemon is from 1996. I would have guessed much older.
rofl
 
I enjoy how he's half melted into the ground from exhaustion
 
9:09 PM
@fredoverflow Is somebody dredging up ancient programming history without me? How dare you?
5
 
9:28 PM
@fredoverflow 1996, I think?
Right, first Pokémon games were released in 1996 in Japan.
 
No craziness in the world for now right? Or am I missing something?
 
you're missing pokemon
 
@jaggedSpire That was assumed.
 
you never know. Someone may not have heard of Our Lord And Saviour Pokemon Go
 
@fredoverflow Riep Ost
 
9:36 PM
ooohs
 
Anybody watched any interesting tech talks?
 
@HWalters Actually, it's not a GUI. It's an OO UI framework. It had a text version and later a GUI implementation (or did that get renamed OWL?). I know because I manually pieced together a manual and printed it on one of the very first Deskjets. With a cover art created with Banner Mania
My first "business application" ever was written in Turbo Pascal with a Turbo Vision GUI.
 
I wrote my first program in Pascal.
 
@sehe OWL was separate, though similar to TV.
@EvgenyPanasyuk I wish I'd had a Pascal compiler when I wrote my first program.
 
Pascal did not have dynamic arrays. Though you could use kind of "struct hack" and access beyond the bounds.
 
Ell
9:54 PM
The first "program" I wrote was a spreadsheet in excel modelling a restaurant owning game :P
 
the first program i ever wrote was a program i called an operating system which had about 20 to 25 operations that you could do
was written in batch
it was nice
 
Must See MVP TV tonight on @spike 9/8c #Bellator158 #PokemonGo @MichaelPage247 https://amp.twimg.com/v/6ffeaa41-5455-4fde-876c-1b59f228b439
/cc @jaggedSpire @Borgleader ^
 
pokemons
 
/cc @jaggedSpire ^ There's a POKEMANZ
 
lol I saw that it's pretty hilarious
I got a pikachu today! :)
 
10:10 PM
Everything's reversed. Now Pokemon are training people.
 
at least the people are getting exercise
and apparently the 4-ish magicarp I thought I caught was actually 6 magicarp :|
 
10:27 PM
speaking of exercise - I am going all day bushwalking/hiking despite it's drizzling :p
it's called hardcore (so I hope) :p
 
10:47 PM
normally i have no problem finding something to do until 4 am, even if its boring
now i cant find anything to do
 
try sleeping
 
i was thinking on doing so
 
why sleep when you can pokeman
 
cause i've got a windows phone
rip me, i know
 
I dreamed of 2 fatal car accidents last night
 
10:57 PM
@ChemiCalChems that's hilarious
 
@sehe i know
 
In my dream, people were doing stupid stuff then got run over/car got crashed into
 
the story is a had an old cheap ass phone, screen broke but i kept on using it for a while
i bought a new one and some time later i accidentally stepped on it
and it had a mild crack
 
and when it finally become broken enough, suddenly it turned out to be a windows phone
 
but the screen wouldn't work
@sehe lol
so i had to go back to a windows phone i had
and i fucking hate it with my heart
 
10:59 PM
@ChemiCalChems when should we hold your funeral
 
@ChemiCalChems what suitable organ to do such things with
 
@jaggedSpire i'd be thankful if you wait for a bit
@sehe my brains are busy doing other stuff, like trying to understand why the fuck the phone sucks so much
 
is it time yet?
> Sucking: That's a bold marketing strategy.
 
@ChemiCalChems should we ask every now and then?
 
@jaggedSpire Nah, you'll know when to hold the funeral. I'll stop coming here and all that. Maybe someone comes in my name and says I'm dead, but don't listen to him. I'll come back in person once it's time.
 
11:01 PM
remind you to try and give us a time periodically?
sehe's very good at reminding people periodically, though naturally I'd never promise his participation for him
 
meh, why not
remind me, yeah
 
while (chemicalchems.isAlive()) {usleep(100);} chemicalchems.bury();
well, 100 microseconds might be a bit too small a refresh time
meh, i'll let your processors busy loop better
 
you may wish to search the text "I can remind you of this periodically" in the chat transcript
maybe
 
i'd enjoy it more if i felt special about this
poll: drink hot water and die of heat, or drink cold water later when it cools down and die of thirst in the process?
 
11:07 PM
if you don't know how you could cool down water that quickly, you are likely to die from stupidity
 
@Telkitty My mom set the fridge to the fucking slowest cooling setting because she is butthurt on the electricity bills
BUT WE NEED COLD WATER, ITS FUCKING HOT IN SUMMER HERE
 
room temperature water is nice
you don't need cooled water
 
@Telkitty Where are you from?
 
I am sure I can't survive in a place with outside temperature > 50 degrees celsius
 
@Telkitty It's 23 celsius and it's 1 am where I am now.
 
11:11 PM
water temperature is perfect at 23 degrees celsius
 
@Telkitty It has a taste of distilled water shit, because we are close to the coast. The taste goes away when cooled, oddly enough.
obviously i was just exaggerating when i said i needed cool water
i am obviously kidding
 
no it is absolutely necessary for you to continue living
I know he truth you can't hide it from me
 
@jaggedSpire Else you'll have to pay for the funeral. Shit, I better keep living
 
Going out to buy some milk. My thoughts are with the victims of whatever happens before I get back.
So. Be safe while I go sleep.
 
Also I dreamed about going stargazing last night, but in order to do that I needed to bushwork some and hike through a small part of caving system with someone I knew who majored in physics. On the way there in a small cave we met a bunch of fellow EE students who were coming back because stargazing were done in smaller groups. Then we were given a lecture in astrophysics in the forest.
Dream can be so much better than Pokemon
Why can't I dream like this more often??
 
11:27 PM
those dreams are awesome
 
that's actually a pretty awesome dream
 
btw, i once saw a double moon
well, i'll explain
there was a hight moon, typical
but then there was a low, red moon, like the one that you see when it's close enough to the horizon
i was guessing it had to be some sort of reflection, that was my only logical explanation
 
no you witnessed the aftermath of the summoning of one of the princes of hell that is the only explanation
hail beelzebub
 
lol
anyway, off to no dreaming, like every night
see ya later guys
 
no dream usually means that you don't sleep enough
 
11:34 PM
@Telkitty it's possible
 
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