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12:23 AM
is there anyone here ?
 
Maybe
 
1:26 AM
I think everybody is out playing Pokemon
and I'm just here trying to derive some equations
 
2:02 AM
pokemans are love pokemans are life
 
This game has made me a Pokeman
Also I broke my phone
 
this game has made me an NPC
I walk predictable routes at regular times, and discuss pokemon with passing trainers. I also hand out information to those who request it.
 
jaggedSpire: this NPC makes circuits around the plaza from 6PM to 8PM every night, and from 11PM to 12AM on Friday and Saturday nights.
 
I'm going through Pokemon withdrawal syndrome
 
2:08 AM
I'm sorry to hear that.
What happened to your phone?
 
I was working with a HeLa culture, my gloves were slippery and choose to catch the Petri dish and let my phone hit the ground.
fuck those cells
 
awh
 
Should have done C++ today
 
wait what's a HeLa Culture? The only thing I can think of that's HeLa would be Helium Lanthanide and I don't know if that's even a thing
 
A HeLa cell /ˈhiːlɑː/, also Hela or hela cell, is a cell type in an immortal cell line used in scientific research. It is the oldest and most commonly used human cell line. The line was derived from cervical cancer cells taken on February 8, 1951 from Henrietta Lacks, a patient who died of her cancer on October 4, 1951. The cell line was found to be remarkably durable and prolific which warrants its extensive use in scientific research. The cells from Lacks' tumor were taken without her knowledge or consent by researcher George Gey, who found that they could be kept alive. Before this, cells cultured...
 
2:12 AM
though when you get elements that big weird stuff does happen
 
wow
her cancer outlived her by miles
 
She had really, really bad cancer
I doctor said the tumor felt like jello (or similar)
 
I imagine having cells that wouldn't die even under circumstances that killed most cancer cells would do that
oh jeez
jello is not a good thing in a human being
 
Well, she didn't have it for long
 
2:16 AM
:P
 
g2g, peace
 
peace
hang in there
 
 
3 hours later…
5:14 AM
Ordered a new phone, will resume pwning n00bs on Tuesday
Snorlax will rise again
 
5:55 AM
excellent
just evolved a flareon at 2 upgrades below max cp for my level
:D
good attacks as far as I can tell, too.
do all eeveelutions have a 10 regular and a 50 special attack?
(I naturally upgraded it to max cp)
 
No, different pokemon get different attacks, see the list: serebii.net/pokemongo/moves.shtml
 
I've noticed that, but I've also noticed that the eevee I evolved with a 25 special wound up with a 50 special
 
It gets replaced, when it evolves
 
figures. Is there traditionally a correlation between stronger attacks before evolution and stronger attacks after?
 
Yeah, but often the evolution gets stuck with some crappy attacks
Training and raising Pokemon is too hard, the only way to become stronger is to catch or hatch them
Save all your stardust for hatched super eggs
 
6:04 AM
huh
 
Hatched eggs are often 1000+CP but its not possible to train most caught Pokemon to that level
 
and if I evolve a pokemon for xp and it turns out super nice?
 
Reddit has the multipliers for evolution, actually
 
it does, though people have been messing with them
and I thought according to that thread the upgrades before evolution applied also to after evolution in terms of %max cp for the pokemon
so a pidgey at 60% would become a pidgeotto at 60%
 
So, the max is given by your trainer level at the time of catching or incubation (I believe)
 
6:07 AM
and the upgrade would apply proportionally more cp to the evolved version. It certainly matches my experience with the masses of pidgeys
 
Then it gets multiplied
 
oh, we're talking about different multipliers
anyhow I don't see flareon twice on the fast attack list
which means it at least does only ever have a 10 regular
ah, but it does have more than one special
neato
I got the badlet one :D
vaporeon's also only got one fast attack
and so does jolteon
jolteon's got three specials though, and vaporeon's also got more than one, so that conclusively answers my question
it's just a coincidence that all three of my eeveelutions have got a 50 special
@Mikhail thanks for the link
 
Which team are you on?
 
Mystic, because my obsession with the color blue has endured this long
you?
 
Instinct because I have poor spelling skills
 
6:21 AM
lol
 
6:49 AM
Guys, can you try cloning https://github.com/faith/vim-nginx? For some reason it just hangs on my machine.
Oh wait, 404.
It's fatih, not faith.
I'm an idiot.
8
Thanks for rubber-ducking.
 
7:09 AM
quack quack
 
<condom joke>
 
sbi
However, @black, if you think this should change, I suggest you drop by in the C++ chatroom, link to our little discussion, and ask what they think. If they decide that FAQ entries should be CW by default, I wouldn't object. I'm rarely here nowadays, so I'd be happy to let them judge. — sbi Jul 7 at 15:37
Hi.
Anyone seen that discussion?
 
I've not seen him in here, but I've been somewhat preoccupied during my usual hours here in the last week
 
sbi
Oh, I was sure he wasn't in here. (He had, after all, no arguments whatsoever.) I was asking whether someone had seen the discussion, over there.
 
oh, yeah.
I favorited that post and watched it for updates for the next few days
 
7:18 AM
No I didn't see it...
 
sbi
@jaggedSpire Sigh. Again: Have you seen the discussion between black and me?
 
as in, the days long back and forth you posted in the comments?
 
sbi
Man, what is it you are smoking so early in the morning?
 
I have no idea what other discussion you could be having, that you referenced by linking to that post, that wouldn't be referred to also by the updates to the post
since comments are considered post updates by the favorites system
as I am sure you know
 
sbi
The answer has been updated again and again. "Watching the post for updates" seems to refer to that. What do I know whether you read lengthy meta discussions way at the bottom, only to be seen by another click, after the already lengthy post?
 
7:24 AM
so if you are referring to the discussion in the comments, which you referred to by linking to it, and I referred to by calling them updates to the post, then yes, I have seen the discussion. If you are somehow not referring to that discussion, then I really have no idea what's happening
ah, mea culpa then
yes, I obsessively read all updates to that post
 
sbi
Thanks. That took us.
@sehe I had forgotten about that. :(
@jweyrich Only sometimes.
@Xeo Hey, I saw this!
@JerryCoffin :)
@sehe You got that right. :)
 
sbi
7:41 AM
@Borgleader Actually, some people here remember very well coding without it.
@TonyTheLion You're a bitch!
 
@jaggedSpire original joke do not steal
 
@LucDanton fair 'nuff
 
sbi
@fredoverflow LOL!
@R.MartinhoFernandes We have known this all the time.
How is life, BTW? The new job?
Oh look, another attempt to create a C++ room where you can ask questions. As of now the transcript can be seen all in one go. Really, I wish one of those rooms finally would succeed. Then this room could legitimately point people there.
Maybe you guys should create such a room?
 
I've been pretty successful with getting C++ help here.
The responses to C++ questions are friendlier than TCL (for example)
 
sbi
7:57 AM
Oh, my question are always answered, too. :)
That doesn't mean it's not a problem for many newbies coming here, which causes some of the friction between this room and the meta crowd.
 
I am not aware of any C++ related friction
 
@StackedCrooked uu, nice, so Zou is the next arch of OP even from manga it would so appear?
 
@sbi I think the underlying problem is that new rooms aren't visited by people who actually want to answer questions
or even when there are people who'd like to do this, they grow tired of it
 
sbi
13 mins ago, by sbi
Maybe you guys should create such a room?
 
Or perhaps that in all communities, people who don't follow the rules get flamed?
 
sbi
8:02 AM
@milleniumbug That might well be. OTOH, there's SO, where new people eager to answer questions appear all the time. A well-established room might work the same.
 
@sbi This could happen if there are regulars that are patient enough to answer the questions
ISTR the most successful attempt was the LRiO's
 
sbi
@Mikhail As everybody who's been around here for a while knows, I can be pretty harsh to idiots who come in here behaving rude. OTOH, there is a need for people to bother others with their questions, so maybe providing a place where the rules are so that they can do that might be a good idea?
@milleniumbug As I said, as long as new people eager to answer come in at at least the rate others drop out, such a room had a chance.
@milleniumbug That surprises me. I cannot imagine him being patient with newbie questions. Wasn't he out to set up a clone of the lounge where he could set the rules to his likening, and only allow people who do not criticize him?
 
Yeah, but that one was quite earlier (1 or 2 years before)
 
Xeo
@sbi Woah man, transcript binging much?
 
sbi
@milleniumbug Oh, so I missed him trying to establish a C++ Q/A room?
@Xeo Not much. Just a bit. :)
 
8:19 AM
@sbi I browsed through the transcript of it now, and I thought it was visited more often actually - it lived on for almost two years, but I'd say 2 months of actual discussion, and rest on life support
 
Ven
Hi
 
Oh, and, as expected, it's the result of disagreement between him and some other people in the lounge
 
sbi
@milleniumbug Uh, what a toxic list of room owners!
@milleniumbug Who'da thought??
Snort.
 
Now he has (had) a "Bar<C++>" where he talks to himself
Still, that was the longest running attempt
 
Ven
It still exists
 
8:34 AM
this is so funny
everyone is 'nerds need to get out sometimes'
now a ton of nerds are out catching pokemon
'can't you just stay inside?'
 
8:52 AM
@sbi Thanks
 
@orlp usual whining
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion You're soooo welcome!
 
9:04 AM
spotted a filthy casual
 
poor girl
 
10:30 AM
Okay, this terminal emulator is pretty great
the autocomplete actually works
it still looks quite unpolished, but OTOH i have a version from 3 days ago
 
Ell
It looks neat
But I'm not sure how it will interact with various shells
 
I think it's designed for bash atm
but I suppose someone will plug in ZSH to it
on the other hand some of the ZSH features are realized here on the emulator level
so it doesn't really hurt that much to use bash
it's nice in how it makes the command response smaller
from vim at least
so it doesn't take your whole screen
well the idea is great, for desktop it will prolly become my go-to shell
 
Ell
I use urxvt personally
 
@Ell but that... doesn't even remotely compare, I suppose
also lol default font Black Screen uses has a fi ligature
 
10:46 AM
linux version?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz well, it's a terminal emulator
So it does compare really :P
 
@ChemiCalChems not yet
 
@BartekBanachewicz well shit
 
@Ell I meant that there are all other, regular terminal emulators, and then there's black-screen.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz that's odd, given that its HTML/etc.
 
10:47 AM
@Ell not yet
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz even still
What is there to do at all?
 
> Linux and Windows builds will be available after 1.0.0 release. Currently only OS X is supported to speed up the development process.
 
Ell
All of the web technologies are cross platform from the get go
 
@Ell ensure that it works well?
@Ell yeah right
you still need to build for those platforms, you still need to test for them
and then you'd be getting shitload of bugs from linux users with fucked up environments
@Ell So yeah, I don't think that blackscreen is just a regular terminal emulator, I'd say it's a different category.
also contributing guidelines tell me to clone the newest version manually before reporting a bug
damn
also derp failed telling me to upgrade node
maybe i should make a breakfast before doing that
 
11:11 AM
should play some games, we're clearly way out of practice
 
wait i'm trying to submit a PR
oh you'd actually know
@Puppy where do Electron/React apps keep their CSS
 
can be in a stylesheet or inline in the code
simplest thing to do is check the source code for that React component and it will render with a classname or inline style
 
oh wtf they have styles in .ts files
 
yeah
typically we would leave them inline in the component but there's no reason why they can't be in a separate ts file
but in that case you can just follow the import
 
WebkitFontFeatureSettings: '"liga", "dlig"',
wtf is that syntax
what does it mean
 
11:17 AM
probably ' is just a single-quoted string.
 
oh wait I think I know
 
so it's probably just to avoid escaping.
damn those guys really need some ReactNode going on
 
You forgot "liga" on
 
@Mikhail that's how it is in the file -.-
1:17:50 PM - File change detected. Starting incremental compilation...
src/views/css/main.ts(94,7): error TS2322: Type '{ paddingTop: number; paddingRight: number; paddingBottom: number; paddingLeft: number; gridArea:...' is not assignable to type 'CSSObject'.
  Types of property 'WebkitFontFeatureSettings' are incompatible.
    Type '"\"liga\" 0, \"dlig\""' is not assignable to type '"\"liga\", \"dlig\"" | undefined'.
 
it burns
 
11:19 AM
this is super weird
 
nah
they defined the type in a stupid way in their React.d.ts
unfortunately seems like they did not bother to commit that file to the repository.
so you can't commit a fix
 
@Puppy wut
@Puppy well I can get rid of that field altogether
 
you can also do some dodgy <any> casting to get around it.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz one is nullable the other not?
 
but why does it even restrict that field
 
11:22 AM
they should really just commit the d.ts though
 
it's a string
what the fuck
 
it's a Typescript feature used for interoperating with crap JS APIs which has been misused here.
Typescript allows you to define types as various string values
 
I'm gonna commit the CSS with the ligatures removed
because they do more harm than good
@Puppy oh so it's like string-based ADT
 
Ven
oh yeha
 
I think I saw that feature
 
Ven
11:23 AM
string literal-based overloading
 
yeah.
it's fucking dumb
 
so why the fuck would that field have such a strong thing
 
because whoever defined it was an idiot.
 
or because it was developed incrementally...
 
11:24 AM
nah, this is just moronic
 
w/e thank god I don't have to do CSS anymore
 
yay git push hangs again
oh worked
 
it's pretty bad that their React.d.ts is not committed
 
okay
I made an issue and a PR
yay me
 
nwp
11:51 AM
the nostalgia
 
Terra is still alive and kicking
I really need to write something more substantial in it
 
What's the target use case? Logic for a video game?
Appears to be targeted towards "scripting" hot code paths, terralang.org/pldi071-devito.pdf
Also learned that MetaHaskell > Haskell
 
Ell
12:41 PM
Terra is quite cool
It's a shame Lua is the language it uses though :P
 
1:08 PM
> Go takes the most minimal and pragmatic approach of any package manager. There is no such thing as multiple versions of a Go package
LOLWUT
ARE THESE THINGS DEVELOPED BY THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS OR SOMETHING?
> As someone building an application in Go, the above philosophy really doesn't have a downside. Every import path is a stable API. There are no version numbers to worry about. Awesome!
 
lol
 
They're all crazy.
Completely disconnected from reality.
Not touching Go with a 10-ft pole.
 
Go or Pokemon Go?
 
> New major versions of your package must have their own repository. Put simply, each major version of your package (following semantic versioning) would have its own repository and thus its own import path.

e.g. github.com/jpoehls/gophermail-v1 and github.com/jpoehls/gophermail-v2.
What bollocks.
Basically, when the upstream unwittingly introduces breaking changes, you have to fork the project to maintain it at an old version (i.e. not maintain).
Damn them all to hell.
Fucking idiots.
Golang is hipster-compliant Java.
Nuff said.
Now that I'm done ranting, I have to fix a failing third-party build due to some upstream introducing breaking changes.
 
1:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nice quote :D
 
2:07 PM
hey guys, i got a question
should i return an exception if an object is initialized with invalid arguments in the constructor?
it's either that or asserting, but asserting closes the program, which i dont want
example, i want ints in the range (0,100]
if i get an int, say 101, i would raise an exception
does that seem like a good behaviour?
 
nwp
throwing an exception also closes the program, unless someone catches it
 
@nwp thats what i expect to do, of course
but asserting doesnt give me that option
 
nwp
and try { doTheWrongThing();} catch(...){ohWell();} doesn't seem like someone would do that
 
@ChemiCalChems That's a contract between users and you. It could have been avoided and it's probably not something you want to recover from since it's a logic error.
 
nwp
why would you ever want to catch such an exception?
 
2:11 PM
@ChemiCalChems An object should never be in an "invalid" state. If you can't construct one with the parameters you've got, you must abort the construction. Whether it's with an exception of an assertion should follow the usual rules (exceptions for user errors, assertions for programmer errors)
 
the user is gonna be me
@EtiennedeMartel then i'll go with exceptions
its not a logic error in any way
 
There's std::out_of_range in the standard library which sounds like it would be the one you want?
 
@Morwenn that was just an example
It's a condition that would take some time to explain
 
Please don't :p
 
nwp
ideally you would structure your code in a way that it is not possible to violate the condition
if that is not possible go with what EtiennedeMartel said
 
2:14 PM
@nwp I could do it, ideally. But for now, since that part is not developed at all and won't be for another month, I'll go with exceptions for now.
 
nwp
try to avoid exception handling though
 
@nwp I could test that with a lambda inside the constructor itself
@nwp For now it's impossible to avoid. In the future it won't, and I'll change it.
 
nwp
I mean throwing an exception is fine. Catching exceptions, not fine.
 
@nwp I was thinking in throwing and catching the exception inside the constructor itself
I'll give it a try, maybe post the code later if somebody is curious.
 
nwp
seems weird, but since it is local to the constructor it should not impact anything
 
2:18 PM
@nwp That's what i was thinking.
how do i cancel the object construction though?
 
nwp
by throwing an exception
 
oh shit
i understand
then i'm gonna have to do it externally
 

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