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7:00 AM
Linear algebra can stand on its own. At least until you start getting into the iterative convergence algorithms.
 
lower level of calc was taught in high schools
 
That's true. High schools here stop just before integration/differentiation. 3rd-year stats seems to be when most of the calculus becomes necessary (although a major likely does require it sooner).
 
I wonder what level stuff like modular arithmetic and number-theory falls into.
It's needed for cryptography. But it's not something that's converged in school or even college.
It's something I've mostly had to teach myself.
 
I'm doing well with linear algebra and calculus, but I've just been too busy to keep up with stats, honestly. It's not that difficult to understand, but it definitely takes a commitment of time
 
Finite-fields and number-theory is the only "non-standard math", that I've ever gotten deep into (as a consequence of the Pi computing stuff). And I still find myself lacking in that area.
@Aaron3468 Linear algebra was fairly painful for me when I first started it. I didn't get comfortable with it until like college.
Since it was a complete break away from the "scalar" math that I had been doing before.
 
7:08 AM
@Mysticial Looks like Number Theory is introduced 3rd year, and modular arithmetic is only touched upon in a 2nd year comp sci course.
 
@Aaron3468 Number-theory is probably too broad of a topic.
 
I find it the opposite: I can understand stats, because it's used in day to day life. Higher level of calc & linear algebra become harder for me to comprehend because they are very abstract
 
@Aaron3468 Probably for the binary overflow or hash table buckets?
 
@Telkitty The core concepts of stats are extraordinarily easy to understand, but applying them is difficult. I had a friend say that 'when you pick a course, you can choose either easy to understand, or easy to do, but not both'
 
I agree with that
 
7:12 AM
@Mysticial Presumably, but I don't know
 
I was almost going to say doing Calculus, Linear Algebra, and Statistics at the same time is not hard if you are just going after decent grade. But it's too much if you want to have a in depth understanding of everything.
 
7:26 AM
@Mysticial This is a research university, so they do go into Advanced Number Theory (Sylow Theorems) in 4th year
 
@Aaron3468 I've never heard of Sylow Theorems. Goes to show how big "Number Theory" is.
Oh wait, the last sentence in the intro section of the wiki article bares some resemblance to the finite-field theory that I'm familiar with.
> group for a given prime p is congruent to 1 mod p.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you've used it unwittingly. it looks like a fairly central concept
Btw, what exactly is a group?
 
I can explain it the context of modular arithmetic. But the concept is much more general than that.
Consider a number p = 7.
 
Is it just a mapping such that a set of operations navigates a mesh of connected values?
@Mysticial considered
 
It has 6 numbers that are relatively prime to it.
(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
Those 6 numbers would be a group. Or a finite field.
 
7:34 AM
sounds like it's more pertinent to computer science than anything else ...
 
Where does it come to play?
If you take a number 3 and raise it to a power mod 7:
3^N mod 7
It will cycle through every element in the group.
1, 3, 2, 6, 4, 5, 1 and the cycle repeats forever.
 
So in that sense, the existence of 7 implies the existence of a set counting up to it.
Ah! So any number less than 7 will iterate through the whole set because 7 is prime?
 
In this case, 7 is a prime number. So the set is p - 1. Or 6.
@Aaron3468 Not any number.
Only some of them will cycle through all 6 numbers.
For example, 6^n mod 7 will alternate between 6 and 1.
The ones that do cycle through all (1 - 6) are called "primitive roots" since they "generate" the entire set.
 
I see... I suppose my mistake was that I was intuiting e*n mod 7
rather than the power mod
 
The concept of a finite field is that the number is always a number in the group.
No matter what you do, mod 7 is always going to be (0 - 6).
 
7:39 AM
So in that sense it's a lot like over/underflow
 
Hence "finite".
yeah
 
So a field can be somewhat analogous to a mapping from one infinite set into a finite set?
 
In my Pi stuff, I'm interested in finding numbers p (not necessarily prime) that have extremely large groups where the cycle is a power-of-two.
@Aaron3468 I'm can't really comment on that since I'm not an expert.
 
@Mysticial For good reason, because that improves performance on many architectures (I presume)
 
For example: 7097673012735901697 is a prime number.
It has a cycle of 197 * 2^55.
7097673012735901697 = 197 * 2^55 + 1
197 * 2^55 isn't a power of two. But you can pick a "generator" that skips the 197 and generates a cycle of 2^55 elements.
 
7:44 AM
Interesting
And you can map those elements into binary
 
It's more complicated that.
Furthermore, the cycle needs to include 1 in it.
So for that particular prime: r = 4614278974170858164 is the generator that cycles through exactly 2^55 numbers where the very last one is 1.
4614278974170858164^(2^55) mod 7097673012735901697 = 1
 
I see
 
The basic concept is actually fairly simple to understand.
 
I think I'm understanding the concept, though the application I'm not so clear on
 
hashtable
 
7:48 AM
The difficult part is:
1. Finding a `p` that has such a cycle.
2. Finding the `r` that generates such a cycle.
@Aaron3468 It goes deep into the discrete fourier transform. Not something I can explain easily.
For something small like 7. You can easily brute-force it.
But for 64-bit integers, not so much.
In short, that one is a solved problem for me. That is finding a 64-bit number with a really large power-of-two cycle.
I'm working on an extension where in addition to having a large power-of-two cycle that ends in 1. It also needs to have a very deep quadratic residual.
 
Honestly, I think you've done a good job explaining it so far. Considering how much difficulty my parents have understanding calculus, I'm glad I'm getting even a vague sense of what it means
I'm off to bed, but the discussion was very interesting
 
A quadratic residual is a modular square root. So 3 is the square root of 2 mod 7.
 
it's because wave forms are cyclic
when you go forth 2 pi, it goes back to where it started
a bit like mod
 
@Mysticial :D I get that one. A little unintuitive at first until I ran 3^2 through my head
 
The extension that I'm working seems to be impossible for normal integers. IOW, there are no numbers which have large power-of-two cycles and have deep quadratic residuals. (modular 4th root, 8th root, 16th root, etc...)
So the solution is to go to complex integers. (Galois theory)
That's a big can of worms that I'm very new to.
 
7:56 AM
Yes, I can imagine. The rules change quite a lot once they get complex
 
13 is not a prime number. It factors into (2 + 3i)(2 - 3i).
 
Oh god, that's so wrong... But I can see how it's true
 
Exactly.
That's the "extra dimension" that's needed to make the extension that I want work.
But I'm still new to this field.
 
user1804599
@Ven lol more terrible mistakes in ES6:
 
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TIL `break` in a `for..of` loop consuming a generator will call `return()` and finalize the generator. #JavaScript https://t.co/AyDT40CiwX
 
8:01 AM
It's a bit sad to realize that although I'm acquainted with many types of math, the only ones I'm skilled in, I've learned through schooling
 
Ven
WAT?
@rightfold sooo stupid
 
user1804599
They really fuck up everything
 
Ven
wtf is that finally behavior as well
 
Damn, 2 isn't a prime number either. It factors into (1+i)(1-i). That's scary.
I don't even know how to compute something like that.
 
Ven
8:17 AM
with sweet x87 as every other day
 
Oh ic. Any real integer that can be expressed as a^2 + b^2 can be factored into (a+bi)(a-bi).
 
Are you playing with Gaussian primes or something?
 
So you need to solve the diophantine equation n = a^2 + b^2. If it has no solution, it's a real prime.
@Morwenn yeah
 
Interesting. I never thought it could be a thing.
 
But given a general complex integer, (a+bi). I have no idea how to factor that.
This doesn't look like a fun equation to solve:
a = ce + df
b = de - cf
Holy shit:
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Q: What's a nice method to factor gaussian integers?

muaddibI already have prime factorization (for integers), but now I want to implement it for gaussian integers but how should I do it? thanks!

 
user1804599
8:42 AM
@Ven an exception is thrown by yield when you call the return method
 
user1804599
This allows resource cleanup
 
Ven
@rightfold and then return catches it?
 
user1804599
No
 
user1804599
When the coroutine is suspended, you can resume it with an exception using the throw and return methods.
 
Ven
okay
 
user1804599
9:02 AM
Servant is really rad.
 
Ven
@Morwenn toi aussi !
 
:D
 
user1804599
9:18 AM
type ProjectsAPI =
       "new" :> Verb 'GET 200 '[HTML] Lucid.Html
  :<|> Verb 'POST 303 '[HTML] Lucid.Html
  :<|> ProjectAPI

type ProjectAPI =
  Capture "projectID" ProjectID
  :> (     Verb 'GET    200 '[HTML] Lucid.Html
      :<|> "edit" :> Verb 'GET 200 '[HTML] Lucid.Html
      :<|> Verb 'PUT    303 '[HTML] Lucid.Html
      :<|> Verb 'DELETE 303 '[HTML] Lucid.Html)
 
user1804599
super rad
 
Ven
what's ProjectID?
 
user1804599
An newtype wrapper for Text that ensures [a-z0-9-]+.
 
Ven
9:41 AM
This was Michelle Obama's extraordinary speech about Donald Trump http://bloom.bg/2e0V6SC https://t.co/Il0B3xMIWB
 
Seriously, if you want to be in the public focus, be prepared that all your little dirty will be dug up from the depth of history and used against you
Michelle Obama is a great public speaker
 
@rightfold Parser to get API calls?
 
user1804599
???????????????????
 
@Borgleader D'awww, thanks. The talk went well. I was going to talk about ti but I just passed right the fuck out even when I opened my laptop and shit and am just waking up now. /cc @sehe @jaggedSpire
 
:3
 
10:03 AM
Lol
My CTRL key broke.
This laptop makes me sad. Do I really use the control key so much that it would snap on me?
I think I'm just gonna put some clear tape over it.
Gotta find some clear tape, though.
 
I've finally more closed issues than open issues in cpp-sort /o/
 
10:22 AM
Congrats!
 
Now that I've got a job, I'm working less and less on persional projects :/
 
user1804599
welcome to the real world
 
user1804599
10:52 AM
> Waar krijde gij 't warm van?
Koorts
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked lol
 
@Morwenn It's hard to program at work and then come home and program some more.
 
yup
 
user1804599
11:27 AM
no that's easy
 
user1804599
because programming at home is much more fun
 
12:13 PM
@Morwenn When I was without a job I found myself working less on professional projects :P
 
@ThePhD Yes
 
12:38 PM
Heh, over 10% of my hard disk is allocated to ccache.
 
For the sake of New York City, all recent sexting victims of Anthony ‘Carlos Danger’ Weiner should come forward.
Look at the date
This freak show makes me so angry
@StackedCrooked That's almost by definition useless. I've run with 10GiB ccache, but reduced it to 2GiB - still no difference
And I share the ccache directory across my chroot jails (for different distribution builds)
 
I write many code.
I need all in cache :P
 
Implying sehe doesnt :P
 
@StackedCrooked It's actually interesting to see how you can check that, instead of just "arguing by smiley"
 
12:43 PM
@Borgleader I guess I have fewer code (can't count, my work laptop is running huge batch jobs in single user mode right now)
But I build frequently across all supported platforms, from the same ccache
 
@набиячлэвэли 16GB! What is this, 1980? :P
 
And I switch branches willy nilly, from the same CMake build dirs
 
@sehe Freak show is about to end. On a related note did you see the NYT response letter to his takedown notice?
 
Yes. I thought it was the lawyer's letter though (perhaps I missed the info it was a NYT laywer then)
 
@StackedCrooked main[-1ull], then :P
 
12:45 PM
ah, now you're talking :D
 
Well yes it was through lawyers but it was from "the nyt" to Trump nonetheless, the lawyers are just an abstraction layer :P
 
Not sure about this article. blog.aurynn.com/contempt-culture Are they saying you can't criticize PHP because sexism?
Will have to read again some day
 
> New York Times VP and Assistant General Counsel David McCraw sent the below letter to Donald Trump’s legal team in response to a retraction request ...
 
It's true for many of the derailed theatric shows in the world currently. Trump only ruins his own reputation. African "Science Decolonists" only hurt their own growth. Brexiteers mostly cause their own EU-related pain
 
1:01 PM
err ...
I mean ... I should not mind if Trump gets elected ...
if he did get elected, USD will probably go down
then it would be cheaper to visit the U.S.
Some of the women tweeting made a point of saying they are smart, educated and rational thinkers -- who also happen to be Trump supporters.
Just like some 'smart', educated and rational thinkers who voted for Hitler
 
@sehe lolwut. Starts out well and then all of a sudden makes that nonsensical turn :/
 
@sehe Sounds like crap to me.
 
You can cut the agenda with a knife there.
 
PHP is terrible regardless of your gender, and if you're entering the industry as a self-taught, it's best to find something worth teaching yourself regardless of your gender
 
And I bet the vast majority of PHP developers is still men.
 
1:15 PM
s/is/are/
 
1:54 PM
 
user1804599
PHP is nice.
 
I had a python training this week.
It has some strange stuff.
Like the for-else construct.
 
user1804599
Python is truly horrendous.
 
It's idioms seemed kinda alien to me.
 
user1804599
Also that training sounds horrible.
 
1:57 PM
I'm sure they work though.
 
user1804599
Teaching forelse in Python is like teaching new in C++.
 
@rightfold It was alright. It was a Scottish guy who talked the whole time.
No slides or anything. Just talking and showing live samples on the projector.
I think most of my colleagues liked it.
I was kinda bored.
 
2:10 PM
@rightfold new will be deprecated in C++20.
 
user1804599
yay
 
just kidding
@StackedCrooked Is the else executed when the number of loop iterations is zero?
 
It's executed if there's no break inside the loop.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow No, that would be too easy.
 
user1804599
You can also do else on try.
 
2:12 PM
@StackedCrooked What? That sounds kinda backward.
 
I think it was created as a way to avoid the need for goto.
 
the feature sounds interesting, but it doesn't really fit Python
I'd rather expect to see it in Perl
 
for item : collection:
    if !valid(item):
        break;
else:
    print "All valid"

# ... more code
 
> Both for and while loops in Python also take an optional else suite (like the if statement and the try statement do), which executes if the loop iteration completes normally. In other words, the else suite will be executed if we don’t exit the loop in any way other than its natural way.
wtf, they should at least have called it finally or something.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked if all(valid, collection): print("All valid")
 
2:14 PM
IIRC Python also uses exceptions for control flow.
@rightfold you so smart :P
 
user1804599
I so abstraction.
 
181
Q: Why does python use 'else' after for and while loops?

Kent BoogaartI understand how this construct works: for i in range(10): print(i) if i == 9: print("Too big - I'm giving up!") break; else: print("Completed successfully") But I don't understand why else is used as the keyword here, since it suggests the code in question only ru...

^ what he said
 
user1804599
Perl has continue clauses on while loops, which execute after each iteration. This allows for loops to directly desugar into while loops without worrying about next statements inside the loop body.
 
@fredoverflow If you have certain code that only must be executed if the loop exited normally then C programmers would implemented that by replacing the break with goto that jumps out of the loop beyond the success code.
 
user1804599
2:16 PM
No idea what he's saying but it looks cool and also the cutting board is super rad.
 
# Guido wanted not this
for item : collection:
    if !valid(item):
        goto resume;

print "All valid"

resume: ...
That's just my hypothesis though.
 
user1804599
Control flow as language feature sucks.
 
Yeah. It's solving the wrong problem. Rather than controlling the flow one should flow the control.
(Ok. I suppose I'm sleep deprived again.)
 
user1804599
I'm so hungry.
 
Ven
@StackedCrooked no that's available
That's just break+else (yes for loops have an else in python)
 
2:23 PM
Yeah. See up :P
 
@Ven Excuse me, what
Are you actually shitting all over my dick
 
@fredoverflow Oh, apparently the original idea came from Knuth.
But I was right on the goto :D
 
That actually makes sense!
 
Ven
2:58 PM
@StackedCrooked "that's available as"
 
3:29 PM
@StackedCrooked Smartass :p
 
user1804599
Unit tests should be part of the interface
 
3:49 PM
@rightfold How do you like D's integrated unit testing approach?
 
4:03 PM
My 12 yo son is making such rapid progress on his running. Last time I tried to beat my mile record I threw up and still missed by 8 sec.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow They aren't defined in the interface but in the implementation, so meh.
 
4:24 PM
I just installed tomcat for the first time. Tried browsing localhost:8080 and it just works.
My Little Tomcat: Web Programming Is Magic
 
user1804599
lol Tomcat
 
4:45 PM
@Mysticial pysticial
can a modern intel brocessor core issue multiple avx instructions on different data on the same cycle
 
I gotta say, I'm wondering what's more fucked up, Trump or Brexit
 
Do you guys have some ideas on nice things to do with my SO in Berlin? /cc @sbi @R.MartinhoFernandes @Xeo
 
I kinda feel like Trump is more fucked up but I kinda think it'll go away once Clinton wins the Presidency, minus a few nutjobs, whereas Brexit will continue to be fucked up for decades
 
I thought the polls were turning in favour of Trump?
 
4:51 PM
nope
BBC poll tracker says Clinton is now 49-40 ahead of him
 
I think Twitter and Facebook somehow think I like Trump because if you look at my timeline it appears to be an imminent win of Trump
 
the polls turned in favour of Trump when he won the nomination officially and they were tied, but since then, it's mostly been going down
 
Fucking deep learning algorithms
 
Trump makes up a bunch of online polls that he claims show him ahead
but as far as we know they don't actually exist and no real polls show him ahead or even gaining
 
@Puppy It was 46-35 a few days ago
(right after the debate in fact)
 
4:53 PM
Oh yeah the debate
I also keep getting links to articles about how trump destroyed hillary
While it appears to be the exact opposite on my side
 
as far as I can see it was mostly a draw
 
He was never on point, kept babbling on how everybody was doing a terrible job without providing alternatives, he often interrupted and was generally rude.
 
@Borgleader Probably margin of error. The BBC tracker doesn't show that result. Could also be method differences I guess
 
@Puppy Yeah prob, anyway its a good ish diff, hopefully it sticks
 
let's hope it's better than the Brexit polls
 
4:56 PM
lol, i heard this morning that the NHS will in fact not get more money
how interesting :P
 
no surprise
 
I wonder if parliament could invalidate the vote on grounds of "the brexiters lied about pretty much every advantage of leaving the EU"
 
well
legally Parliament or the government can totally ignore the vote
it wasn't legally binding in any way
 
@PatrickM'Bongo It depends on how drunk you are.
 
@Mysticial Not
 
5:01 PM
Parliament can stop the government if they want to but it's pretty unlikely they will
and whilst everybody ever that even thinks about money is begging for a soft Brexit, both the EU and our government seem to think that any kind of soft Brexit is out and we are out of the Single Market
 
@Mysticial I'm trying to find the Intel equivalent of Nvidia's "cuda core"
 
Template errors explosions everywhere. I missed that :')
 
@PatrickM'Bongo There's are 6 ports that can do SIMD instructions. 3 of them are for loads and stores. 2 are for arithmetic. 1 for shuffling.
That's as of Haswell.
Broadwell and Skylake are the same.
 
So you can have 2x16-wide MADD issued per cycle per core?
 
2x 256-bit.
 
5:06 PM
Ye, 16 float? Ah no that'd be AVX 512.
 
So either 4 x double-precision or 8 x single-precision. (per instruction)
x2.
So you can sustain 8 DP FMA or 16 SP FMA per cycle.
 
And that's "shared" across virtual cores, right?
 
yeah
 
Okay, so a single CPU core is 16 "cuda cores" :p thanks
 
Can Intel's integrated GPUs be used for CUDA stuff?
 
5:09 PM
For OpenCL yes
For CUDA I think there's an open source project that can take cuda code and emit PTX, and from that you can emit something else, probably.
 
@PatrickM'Bongo Can I have Pepsi? Is Coke alrigth?
 
@Borgleader Not a fair comparison because neither drinks are an open standard ;)
 
5:28 PM
oh look its Patrick M'Bongo
how are you mate?
 
Oh, it's Tony :o
 
hiiii :)
 
How are you? :)
 
I am well. You?
 
Ups and downs, but mostly fine (if we ignore the fact that my car died again today).
 
5:30 PM
Awwww
Hope you can get the car fixed
 
I hope I can get it fixed for (almost) free. It's just out of the garage (one week ago), and they told me that except for the thing they changed, everything was perfectly fine.
I've got some hope that it's their mistake :p
 
ah right
 
6:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes o hai :)
 
@Shoe that's more or less what people mean by destroyed when they talk about political debates.
He was louder.
 
That's stupid though, a debate is not a screaming contest =/
 
@Shoe what sort of thing do you two want to do in Berlin?
@Borgleader the people don't like real debates. They're boring
Or as some might put it, they're too political
 
That explains Trump's popularity and Bernie's downfall I guess.
Anyone have experience programmatically generating .sln/.vcxproj?
 
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@BartekBanachewicz @fredoverflow into code review? :D
 
6:18 PM
I,d like to know how much work that ends up being
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm more for eating/drinking. She is in charge of museums. I don't know, something fun and characteristics. We'll probably be there for 3 days around the 1st of december
 
You should visit a Christmas market.
There's a bunch
 
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/cc @Mysticial @Borgleader
 
@milleniumbug My brain hurts from trying to parse that
 
6:31 PM
@milleniumbug ow
 
6:42 PM
@milleniumbug augh syllable salad is worse than word salad
2
 
6:57 PM
Hmm, apparently I forgot all the knowledge I gained during my first internship on how python packages work
gdi
 
nwp
@Borgleader cmake does that
 
@nwp That's not what I'm asking though
 
7:12 PM
Idea by @JohanLarsson, so blame him, not me
 
user1804599
7:58 PM
The purescript-unsafe-coerce package contains exactly one function and this function doesn't do anything
 
user1804599
IsArray would be jealous
 
8:11 PM
@набиячлэвэли That game was good for the most part ^_^
 
@rightfold I thought it was IsInteger
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We are not too much into shopping, but they seem interesting. Thanks.
If anything else comes to mind let me know :)
 
"The number of people who regret voting for Brexit is now greater than the margin of victory for Leave" http://ow.ly/bKA6305daEd
good example of local propaganda. how the fuck did they count? /cc:@sbi
 
8:32 PM
@Abyx Doesn't matter how they counted, a 2% margin shouldn't be grounds to make a huge decision like that... But percentages are not comparable just because the units match up either
 
nwp
@Abyx Why do you consider it propaganda? It doesn't seem to have an agenda.
 
this raises for me the interesting question as to whether the terms "agenda" and "propaganda" are etymologically related
 
I would presume not due to the very different stress and vowel sounds, but it would be an interesting line of inquiry
 
@nwp anti-brexit is not an agenda?
 
@Abyx What makes you think it has an anti-brexit agenda? Seems to be flatly reporting some statistics to me
 
nwp
8:41 PM
@Abyx I don't consider it to be. You can be anti-brexit as much as you want, but it has been decided, so the text doesn't convince anyone to do anything.
 
@Puppy yeah, "some statistics" - that's the point. They invent or miscalculate that "statistics" and make you think that this is the truth - "people do no want brexit".
 
Honestly I'm worried about Britain because it's Canada's grandmother who's beginning to show signs of dementia. In what world is 51.9% a democratic majority?
 
@Abyx What evidence do you have that they invented or miscalculated them?
 
@Puppy "statistics". it almost always lies.
 
so basically none
 
nwp
8:46 PM
One could imagine the agenda to be to convince the british government to not go through with brexit, but that article is way too weak to have any influence in that direction.
 
just because the statistics are pro-brexit doesn't make them any more likely to be invented than if they were anti-brexit
 
nwp
@Aaron3468 How many % would you require to make a decision? Majority, as in 1 vote over 50% being the winning decision appears obvious to me.
 
@Puppy this is the source they used - some online survey. how biased online surveys are?
you know this joke that "an online survey shows that 100% of people use internet"?
 
they could just as easily be filled out by respondents with an anti-brexit bias
 
user1804599
brexit is that when brussels leaves the EU?
 
8:51 PM
@nwp Largely depends on the type of poll being cast. In an election, winning by a small majority is acceptable because the result is more or less equal. In a referendum, a margin that small should be disregarded because it indicates a large amount of indecision in the populace. Taking such costly action for such a small majority in comparison to the near zero cost of remaining seems unreasonable. But then again, it's a referendum, so parliament may chose whatever it wants.
 
@nwp ugh you don't convince you government. government convinces you.
yeah, in soviet russia. but it's naive to think that it's not how it goes elsewhere
 
nwp
@Aaron3468 If they made a new referendum to rejoin immediately which would be accepted by 52% of the voters, would you also reject it?
@Abyx That is not how it goes here. My government does a terrible job of convincing anyone and somewhat regularly goes against the popular opinion.
 
@nwp Given that the result would be different between both, the indecision would be quite clear and the original decision made based on the first result should be strongly reconsidered and re-evaluated. Certainly Britain can establish itself as independent, but it does take time to establish stability and I don't see a clear benefit to jumping at a narrow margin in the first place.
Statistically speaking, the Brexit vote fails to refute the null hypothesis that there is no majority
 
user1804599
The EU is a terrible institution.
 
user1804599
Always leave and never join.
 
nwp
8:59 PM
@Aaron3468 I cannot tell if you criticize the voting system or are just unhappy with the result.
 

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