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11:00
coz I only want to emphasize the chrome ones
> Google Chrome takes advantage of these properties and puts web apps and plug-ins in separate processes from the browser itself.
So.. Chrome plug-ins are programs .. isn't this amazing, lol
Ven
Ven
@Rerito alors, la vidéo sur The Room?
@Ven J'ai pas pu tout regarder j'étais au taf :(
Ven
Ven
ah ok
11:05
My fav scene so far is the roof one "I did not hit her, I did naaaaat. Oh hi Mark"
Such acting skillz
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Ven
@Rerito ohai mark
@Rerito Classic :D
user3790646
@MadaraUchiha Hello, Homunculus
@Andrey I actually used to be called Truth a long time ago
Some of my old posts probably have comments with that name
> I've always been against design pattern crap where self-proclaimed geniuses fill their code with AbstractFactoryProxyManagerBean or whatever and masturbate to how intelligent they are. But even when working with code that avoids all of that, I've been thinking that the whole OO model in general just isn't a very good one. [...] OO code now looks like spaghetti code to me with the strands being hidden behind design patterns.
Wow, OOP is getting a lot of negativity these days.
11:20
> discussing programming
> not haskell
kek
@fredoverflow OO is very good
> Kek literally translates to lol on World of Warcraft. When someone from the Horde side types lol in /say, members of the alliance side see kek instead. Not specific to Orcs.
wtf
The current implementations of OO are somewhat meh
@fredoverflow Yeah, WoW used a simple letter replacement to make the different factions "speak different languages"
But people very quickly overcame that with simple dictionaries.
k translates to l, and e translates to o, hence, kek => lol
Morning.
@Morwenn Morwenn.
user3790646
11:22
@Morwenn Good morning
@MadaraUchiha Madara.
it doesn't work argh
Haha :D
I've got an interview today.
@AlexM. Alex M.
it works
@Morwenn good luck
Thanks.
It's for a C++ job, so... it should be fine?
11:25
ez 4 u
Ven
Ven
@Morwenn good luck <3
Thanks :)
user3790646
I'm listening to Justin Bieber, kek
user3790646
Last night I dreamed I was dying, I suddenly got hit by something and felt my arms and legs weakening, I was thinking fast "I don't want to die! I want to live!", although I couldn't see anything but a dark environment, I felt like I was still alive.
Ven
Ven
Damn the weather is cold.
11:37
@Morwenn Weren't you supposed to start in february or something?
@Rerito Things are constantly delayed. I never confirmed that I would start anywhere.
user3790646
@DomagojSabolic Hello
@Morwenn I would imagine most interviewers suck at C++, so...
@fredoverflow Last time I had a C++ interview, the interviewer seemed pretty good.
11:48
Survey'd!
@Ven Chochotte
Last time I had an interview, the interviewer didn't care what development background I had .. The only thing he cared about is if I would be staying in the same cubcle doing the same job after 5 years
Ven
Ven
@Rerito j'ai failli mourir en aillant acheter un sandouiche.
Come on it's not that cold
11:50
@fredoverflow IMHO some apps are really over-engineered. But that is not a fault of OOP.
have any books for visual c++?
Thanks! any other books :)
sbi
sbi
Hi.
I'm sitting here with @melak47 and we're puzzled by this error message. Can anybody shed some light on this?
@DomagojSabolic not a book but there's this guide
> How to Survive a Fall Through Ice wikihow.com/Survive-a-Fall-Through-Ice
2
11:54
Okay thanks for all the books I sure I'll learn it now
good luck
@sbi You need mutable for the lambda: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/2a92fa7c4d7483c6
sbi
sbi
@wilx Yeah, thanks. Of course, we found this out the minute after I asked here. :-/
@wilx error messages in c++ are always that clear
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Error messages in C++ are like symbolic integration. Once you develop a battery of known cases you can do fine in most cases. :)
12:01
It becomes a bit difficult when you have to scroll 200 lines of templates errors that don't fit your screen to spot a <near match> at the end of one of them and realize you simply forgot to const-qualify a member function.
I have a friend who hate winter wearing heavy layers of clothing, I thought he was wearing a missile-proof armor or something
lol 'clear' and ' error messages in c++' on the same page.
struct X {
    X& operator=(int) && { return *this; }
};

X f() { return X(); }

int main() {
    f() = 1;
}
and now lvalue is rvalue
Ven
Ven
4Head
Those GSL games. TY <3
user3790646
@Morwenn How much would you pay for a phone with 2GB RAM, 5,5", 16GB ROM, Octa Core, 4G LTE ?
user406009
12:21
@Morwenn Have you done any work with parallel sorting algorithms?
user406009
I just had the greatest idea for a log(n) latency parralized insertion sort.
user406009
(At least, I think it's sorta cool).
user406009
I think it beats the latency of bitonic sorter.
Class in some 6 hours
Cannot sleep
Send help
user406009
/ Gives ThePhD a shipment of caffeine pills
12:25
@Lalaland I haven't. I will start working on those once libc++ and libstdc++ implement at least the execution policy part of the parallelism TS.
I have already a few parallel sorting algorithms to steal.
user406009
@Morwenn If it's not too much work, do you remember any of them that are better than bitonic sort in terms of latency?
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD I only slept 4h today. vOv
user406009
(Or "parallel time" I guess)
@Lalaland I know almost nothing when it comes to parallel stuff or how to consider time.
Parallel merge sort is an obvious algorithm.
user406009
That one is log(n)^3
user406009
12:32
Bitonic is log(n)^2.
user406009
My sort is log(n) (theoretically, and with other costs)
I remember reading papers that were looking for O(n) parallel sorting algorithms.
I think that I will learn new interesting things once I start working on those parallel things.
Ell
Ell
Oh they're teaching us git this semester
Nice
Do they really know how to use it?
Ell
Ell
No idea yet
But they're teaching java 8 which is a good sign I suppose
12:40
In engineering school, we were taught Java 7, but C89.
Same teacher.
So... it probably depends on what the teacher actually likes.
@Morwenn unless you have infinite amount of cores... you couldn't care much about paralellism
user406009
(Although, @Morwenn, at this point, you have probably read a million crazy claims that they have invented the "best sort ever" (with a couple of very, very, minor caveats hidden in the small text))
well 4 cores might speed up things but it doesn't mean it's going to boost performance
@Lalaland Hardly ever the best sort ever, but always better than some known sort in some cases.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix The library we're talking about is just a structured collection of sorting algorithms, so one which potentially always has the sorting algorithm you need whatever your use case or architecture.
12:45
Well, that's the goal. I don't have that many algorithms yet.
user406009
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix But yes, my sort would only be good on an infinite number of cores.
user406009
Insertion sort takes O(n^2) total work, so ...
user406009
You need n^2 processors for that magic log(n) time.
I remember at the Uni when they asked us to make an algo to multiply matrices... Creating a whole thread to multiply 2 numbers... and the teacher saying that it will work in n clocks for nxn matrices... eh
user406009
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix These things are probably more useful for stuff like FPGAs and ASICs.
user406009
12:53
In those cases, you can actually have the n^2 arithmetic units.
Well I'd rather have a system that can run in parallel and in sync without having to handle that manually
for example, array.map(lambda x: x+1) could be done in parallel or not... doesn't really matter
Ell
Ell
@Morwenn well my haskell is also teaching it I think
and he rocks
Ell
Ell
I have faith in my uni :D
Xeo
Xeo
...
user406009
12:57
@CatPlusPlus Another bug that would have been fixed with C++ RAII :P
@Ell have faith in yourself, not in uni
Ell
Ell
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix of course, but I mean I have faith that my uni are teaching the right stuff
@Lalaland Yeah no
@Ell are they teaching lisp or scheme?
Ell
Ell
No
not at the minute at least
12:59
What about now?
Ell
Ell
still no :P
Ell
Ell
TIL about Tox im tox.chat
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix -.-
not until at least the end of this semester :P
Do they have a course on how to write a compiler?
you know what I dislike, when people receive a product that is broken or breaks soon after
and then they proceed to go to the site and give it a low rating because of it
13:03
@Andrey I missed that question. My answer: I don't know because I have no idea what it actually means. I do own a smartphone but I don't know any of its specs.
don't skew ratings just because you're unlucky >.>
Ell
Ell
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix yeah, I think it's 2nd year though
@AlexM. what if 10 000 people have the same problem and unlucky is just bad quality?
user3790646
@Morwenn Oh ok. It's fine =]
Ell
Ell
@Andrey £160 ?
13:05
@Ell cool, my compiler course was pretty much about state machines and automaton.
user3790646
How much would you guys pay for a phone with 2GB RAM, 5,5", 16GB ROM, Octa Core, 4G LTE ?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix skewing is not visible in those cases
Ell
Ell
We've some FSM but only in the context of computer architecture
I'm talking about things with few reviews
user3790646
@Ell Woho, I think I made a good purchase then
Ell
Ell
13:06
oh wait
I read 16GB ram
where something has a 3 star rating because it has N 5 stars then 1 one star with the text "omg it broke when I got it!!! worst product ever!!!"
Ell
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Probably £130
@Ell CSS TRANSITIONS
Ell
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I'm gonna dl it and see how user friendly it is
> The future of online communications.
Fucking pretentiousness
Ell
Ell
13:11
they are building a new website I think
133
A: How should I securely type a password in front of a lot of people?

mk444Use the blanket of security, as seen in the Snowden documentary Citizenfour. It involves placing a blanket over your head, the keyboard and monitor and typing in the password. It will look weird but for security's sake it may be worth it. Related post with demo pic - In CitizenFour, what was Ed...

lol this is quite funny
They're using DHT to find people, but I don't see anything about peer authentication
@wilx Diablo was honestly pretty original - even tho D1 was "stolen" from another company, it is technically a blizzard thing; not sure where he took the baldur's gate analogy from
diablo was great
@ThePhD rip :(
fyi. this annoys me probably more than it should.
irrelevant
Time to fly to that interview. See you later.
Don't think you can redirect entire profile
@Morwenn good luck.
Not sure why you'd care anyway
13:27
@CatPlusPlus Not redirect, rename. I tried using the system panel thingie but it just broke everything.
@slaphappy Thanks. Not sure I will make it: they use Visual Studio and I never really used it.
@CatPlusPlus It's annoying in the console, I'm used to having always the same home dir
@Morwenn I don't think that should be an issue.
Use %USERPROFILE% or just a different folder
I don't touch system profile folder
Ell
Ell
@Morwenn good luck
You have a lot of shit that goes there
13:29
@Morwenn Just remember that nothing works
I set %HOME% to my own home folder and rarely need anything that doesn't respect that
And even if it doesn't then whatever
yeah whatever, I'm not going to change my habits to make them more like yours :P
@Morwenn good luck
@Borgleader goin' ta work?
We are aware of users in South America receiving 522 errors from Cloudflare. Cloudflare are working on the issue: https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
522 errors?!
that's a ton
user1804599
13:41
Only 522?
kek
@Morwenn good luck!
user1804599
I want xdg-open to open in Windows VM host.
Ven
Ven
Too bad.
@ThePhD hells yes! Nice job!
why not
13:54
@jaggedSpire Help I can't sleep.
I have class in 4 hours.
@ThePhD there is nothing he can do to help
quick tell PhD something really boring
@ThePhD the circuit of monads in nature
> in Scala you can create package object functions which behave like functions directly in packages!
@praveenscience Newcastle in the UK or Newcastle in Australia?
We are also receiving reports from within Europe regarding connectivity issues, which we are also investigating.
14:00
thank you feeds, I was dying to know all of that
especially the reply to kebabsumadhiscience
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Q: Where can I find some prostitutes in Grand Theft Auto?

C-dizzleIn order to complete 100% of the game, you must get serviced by a prostitute. The problem is, I can't seem to find any. The one time I did a message came up on the screen stating something to the effect, "You cannot pickup a prostitute in this vehicle". What requirements must be met to pick up ...

Ven
Ven
@Mysticial I especially love the part about killing them afterwards
@R.MartinhoFernandes Have you seen github.com/samhocevar/wincompose
What, post on baddit? No
14:11
@braiamp Probably because it's http://meta.stackexchange.com/
The concerted replies
Ell
Ell
for the Danish speakers: reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/41ud0w/… (bjarne AMA)
@KonradRudolph no idea if this answer helps you understand what happened there better
but after I saw it
I also replied with effective cpp
why does calling a const reference to a mutable lambda work?
https://ideone.com/3WXhUR
user1804599
Where can I find some prostitutes? http://gaming.stackexchange.com/q/252455?atw=1 #grandtheftauto5
user1804599
14:14
lol
user1804599
@slaphappy That's quite misleading. While you can create functions inside package objects, that is not what is meant here. Methods are meant. The distinction is very important in Scala.
@ThePhD I've been at work for 2hrs already :P
@gnzlbg try it with your own functor type
@KonradRudolph i dont think so, but rofl :)
user1804599
def method(x: Int, y: Int): Int = x * y

object function extends ((Int, Int) => Int) {
    override def apply(x: Int, y: Int): Int = x * y
}
14:17
(technically it is unspecified how closure types handle reference captures under the covers, but the result is specified to work the same so it’s still instructive to do)
the thing is, the operator() of the lambda should not be const
since it is mutating a "field" of the lambda
oh
i know why it doesnt work
its not a field, for that it should be in the capture
of course the operator() is const
it doesnt mutate anything within the closure, but a global static variable outside the closure
const functions can do that
so const functions might not be threadsafe
hi lounge
they can mutate global state, like global objects, and static variables and stuff, TIL
the only thing they cannot mutate is data members of the object (unless one const casts)
sure, const is shallow
the only relation of const to thread-safety is C++ standard library's convention
i (was hopping) thought that const would at least forbid mutating a static variable within the const function
14:25
lol having hope in C++
yeah i fixed that, i believed, or thought, or assumed
I guess I will never stop discovering new misconceptions about c++...
I particularly like the "sports & outdoor" text. It really adds substance to the image
mcdonalds is also the sponsor of the olympics
14:40
You missed it didn't you?
I saw it now
I smiled a bit
overall I rate the joke
One of the comments I have seen about this image was:
decent but meh/8
14:42
> And the eyes are from kids, too?
Nice dark humor I like
@wilx Would be better if implied:
> How do you recommend preparing the eyes?
@sehe :))
@MadaraUchiha People should use MP4 instead of GIFs!
@wilx Better?
@MadaraUchiha Yes. Certainly smaller than the 9 MiB GIF.
goo.gl/aYF7mR -> where is output? can anyone help?
Hi Angelus. The fire department is down the hall, second to the left.
@AngelusMortis It's a freaking assembly inspection tool. It doesn't run the code.
Yawn
@sehe lol :)
The output is 1. You're welcome. Bye.
@sehe Thankyou
user1804599
15:22
Decorator pattern is so awesome.
It's not as awesome as monad
MaybeAwesome
Nullable<Awesome>
I hate reddit/HackerNews with every nucleotide of my body and yet I keep browsing them
help
@AngryLettuce You must die in a fire in order to cleanse yourself.
But thou must
I am going to use the skull on warning sign "keep the door properly closed at all times"
user1804599
theezakje
theezakje
theezakje
@MadameElyse Wadesdamee
15:57
Would y'all buy loads from @thecoshman?
loads of what?
doesn't that count as prostitution
> <pirate> wait for summer, you'll drop it down to like €5 and sell loads
PEP8 is fucking garbage
@набиячлэвэлиь That does not answer my question.
16:07
> >assuming someone tried to answer your rethorical question
it wasn't rhetorical
It was, and obviously so
I asked the question, I fully goddamn know that it was not rhetorical.
whether or not I would buy a lot of something from thecoshman depends on what that something is.
Verb: hem and haw ‎(third-person singular simple present hems and haws, present participle hemming and hawing, simple past and past participle hemmed and hawed)
  1. (idiomatic, US) To discuss, deliberate, or contemplate rather than taking action or making up one's mind.
  2. To mumble and procrastinate in one's speech, especially with a reply to a hard question or with voicing a decision on a topical matter; to evade a question, giving vague answers; to equivocate or temporize.
16:24
@sehe Politician-class interview reply, then.
Not really. Hemming and hawing is more like bikeshedding. Politicians rarely do
In public
@sehe Politicians (at least most I've seen) essentially ignore most questions they don't want to answer. "Do you favor <insert controversial topic here>?" Reply: "That's a great question. In fact, it was questions exactly like this that prompted me to introduce my bill to fix <insert completely unrelated topic here>. This has met with such great success that [...]. Thanks for asking such a great question!"
I'm back. Great interview: I learnt that there will probably be a third one.
I am 3/4 through the Object-Oriented Programming is Bad - YouTube video. It seems to me that the dude just defines OOP strawman and then defeats it. He also seems to use the nirvana fallacy.
16:42
What is it with people declaring that "<paradigm> is bad"?
Paradigms are not monoliths. You can pick and match the features you like from a variety of different philosophies.
@EtiennedeMartel They want views, so they say something (that at least sounds) controversial.
His point is basically, "going 100% OOP is bad so you should go 100% procedural instead".
Phalassy.
user3790646
@sehe Could you shed some light on why this is giving many compiler errors?
16:48
@MadameElyse well, you said it.
@Andrey Provide a proper test case. Also, probably ask on SO proper.
@JerryCoffin Yup. Exactly. Not hemming and hawing. Hemming and hawing would be like inviting feedback and saying "Perhaps we should consider doing A. Would you agree that doing A begets B? Mmm. No maybe it'll cause C as well and we can't have that. So, we'd like to do A without C, so more like ... What do you say? Yeah D has been tried, but it's so... un-A, shall we say. I'd really feel A is the right direction if we can make it not C. Perhaps we can incorporate E/F from the D approach. (etc"
@Andrey Wow. (a) Did you come from planet BadJava? (b) did you just completely ignore my previous nugget? (c) Wat (d) Stack Overflow
user3790646
@sehe I don't remember it ;-;
user3790646
@sehe And yes, I came from planet BadJava
Bad Java, bad
16:54
@sehe BadJava is redundant.
user3790646
@sehe Is there a good java, anyway?
Bad is good.
@Morwenn How was the interview?
#define bad good
@Andrey "The only good Java is a dead Java."
21 mins ago, by Morwenn
I'm back. Great interview: I learnt that there will probably be a third one.
@Morwenn Cool! What's the job?
Something in C++ development for medical imagery.
@Andrey This is gonna crash so hard.
16:57
@Morwenn I'm under the impression that there's a lot of jobs in this domain in your region.
Apparently there were 6 of us taking this second interview, and only two people will be accepted for the 3rd one.
1 hour ago, by sehe
@AngelusMortis Thank me now: http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/50affb3f74c376fc
@slaphappy Like one.
@EtiennedeMartel Keep being optimistic
@Morwenn at the moment :)
I mean there's not a lot of digital/web/finance/car stuff in brittany for instance
16:58
Wait, what? There's more interested people than actual positions? In software development?
@slaphappy Yes, when you've already got several years of experience.
Of course. There are many jobs.
Finding one to like it hard
@EtiennedeMartel In Morwenn's country, yes
@slaphappy Is that France or Brittany? ;)
it's mostly boats and apple trees there.
@EtiennedeMartel the second one
16:59
Boats and strawberries.

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