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8:00 PM
in a multicultural society, you should accept that other cultures exist, have a right to exist, and more-or-less ignore them unless they do things that directly affect you.
so if A says that gays should be executed and tries to actually do so, that's trying to force their culture on B, which is not multicultural.
 
user1804599
> If you don't want to be a filthy racist, you have to stop being gay.
 
user3047181
Perfect. So does culture A, which believes that gays should die no matter what, belong in a multicultural society?
 
nope.
but that's not perfect at all, because you're tarring everybody with the same brush.
 
user3047181
So there is no such thing as a multicultural society.
 
you're assuming that just because a person has some parts of culture A that they automatically subscribe to this belief.
that there's no offshoots or diversity among the members of A.
it's only A's current aggregate state that has no place in the multicultural society... it says nothing about any given member of A or even any particular subgroup of A.
 
user3047181
8:03 PM
but all As believe gays should die?
 
hmm
maybe if A consists of nothing but clones of the same dude over and over again
 
user3047181
@Puppy of course not - but they all believe gays are less than human
 
Is it just me or is the b - a expression missing some information?
 
user3047181
8:04 PM
and otherwise, they're all special snowflakes
 
user1804599
Much better.
 
@Puppy Smells like no true scotsman
 
nope.
you're making another assumption that all A's believe a certain thing.
 
user3047181
@Puppy well I can because I made up the A culture
 
user1804599
Scotsmen suck.
 
user1804599
8:04 PM
They're not true Dutchmen.
 
@elyse you wish scotsmen sucked.
 
@Jeremy Well, it's the exact inverse of no true scotsman, since it's directly stating that (giving A as Scots for example) just because you're a Scotsman doesn't mean that you love doing nothing but drinking and fighting, or wearing kilts, or such things.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman is one example.
 
user1804599
:3
 
@MeltyButter Then the discussion is meaningless because you've created a culture that doesn't obey the same mechanics as real cultures.
 
8:06 PM
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Akanchha JaiswalBy nature, an average Indian believes in saving money. Some reports suggest that an average Indian manages to save approximately 30+% of his salary. Dhaniram is one such hard working fellow. With a view of future expenses, Dhaniram resolves to save a certain amount in order to meet his cash flow ...

 
HOLY FUCK MY INTERNET'S BACK ON
 
\o/
 
I just realized I've been arguing in the Lounge for the last half an hour, which means my Internet connection must be working again.
 
user3047181
@Puppy so it only matters if 100% of the culture believes a bad thing? What is it's 90%? 60%
 
@Puppy I was being unclear. I was saying that your argument smells like no true scotsman. "What if, in a multicultural society, there's problem X" "Then it's not a multicultural society"
 
8:07 PM
@Jeremy What I'm saying is that the definition of a multicultural society excludes that problem, by definition. It's like saying "What if C++ but 1 + 1 = 3".
 
@Puppy Then name one "multicultural society" by your criteria
 
@MeltyButter Well, it would only be those individuals and the aggregate group of A which has this issue, not any individual or subgroup of A.
 
user3047181
oh, oh, okay, so 70% of group A think (1), 70% of group B think (2), will A and B get along well?
 
user3047181
or would things be better if they were separate?
 
@Jeremy Well, it's hard to argue that any given society is truly multicultural, as there will always be some undesirable elements. But some are more multicultural than others. It's currently my experience that the society in which I live is at least a chunk multicultural. I keep walking past women in Islamic hijabs here.
@MeltyButter Completely depends on what attitude they take about the other culture.
 
user1804599
8:11 PM
rather you than me :)
 
it's not about what you think, it's about whether or not you can tolerate other people thinking differently.
 
user3047181
@Puppy 70% think the other culture should die
 
depends on if they ever try to make good on it.
 
user3047181
(which is a real thing some cultures things, so don't think I'm being reductio ab absurdio)
 
it's hard to imagine them not trying, though.
 
user3047181
8:12 PM
@Puppy what?? So let's live our whole lives hoping that the other half of the population doesn't finally try and murder us?
 
@Mysticial rofl
 
@MeltyButter You mean, apart from our large stocks of tanks, bombers, aircraft carriers, and nuclear bombs?
and the fact that they're completely unarmed?
if a bunch of Muslims in my country try to murder the other half of the population, they'd have to be utterly moronic to hope to achieve anything
 
user1804599
Nukes is the reason I want Donald Trump to become POTUS.
 
user3047181
are you still hung up on desert muslims vs rich christians? I'm talking generally, culture A vs culture B
 
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ShabikDesign and write down the java code for a simple client – server RMI application and provide description about it This is my assignment question. therefore please help me on this

 
user3047181
8:14 PM
@Mysticial i thought this was a c++ place?
 
@MeltyButter Who said anything about Christians? I'm an athiest, although it's embarassingly true that so many of my countrymen are still invisible-being worshippers
 
user1804599
You can't tell whether it is.
 
@MeltyButter Sufficiently bad C++ is indistinguishable from Java.
 
user1804599
Just like they can't know God exists, you can't know they exist.
 
user3047181
@Puppy you implied it when you said "we have tanks, bombers etc..." but ANYWAY I'm a bigger man than that
 
8:16 PM
> therefore
Uh.
 
@MeltyButter Sure, but a), that situation prevents being part of a multicultural society in the first place, so your original question doesn't include it, and b), evolution means that's not the general case.
 
user3047181
also, btw, shared_ptrs are weird, right??
 
user1804599
We have politicians who look away.
 
@MeltyButter Implied what, that I'm a Christian?
 
user1804599
@MeltyButter no?
 
8:16 PM
that's very racist of you, really.
 
user1804599
ITT Christianity is a race.
 
user3047181
@elyse depends how much exp you have I guess...
 
user1804599
I have 60 exponentials.
 
just because I'm part of the indigenous population of a country who possesses nuclear weapons certainly does not make me Christian in the slightest.
 
user3047181
well most of the world's bombers and carriers are in the hands of christians..
 
8:17 PM
@Puppy Some might even argue it makes it less likely.
 
user1804599
That's only incidental, not because Americans and Russians tend to be Christians.
 
user3047181
and we've gotten off track again, for christs sake
 
@MeltyButter Says here that in my country, 42% are Christian compared to 49% no religion.
 
user1804599
Luckily your country is insignificant!
 
user3047181
I argue that human cultures are different enough that there can be no perfect society where all these cultures get along perfectly
 
8:19 PM
@MeltyButter Of course not.
 
I never argued against that.
 
user3047181
@Puppy so what were you arguing?
 
there's only some aspects of some cultures that can't handle the existence of other cultures.
give it a few millenia of evolution and the job will be done.
it's not inherently impossible, it's just the way that some groups of some cultures are right now.
and evolution will take care of that for us.
 
user3047181
oh. Well now I completely forget what the original argument was about. Sorry, I thought you were a moron.
 
all we have to do is hang around, wait, and have the laws of nature take care of it
and in the meantime try to express the most beneficial adaptations
 
user3047181
8:22 PM
@Puppy well, no. Things could certainly be worse
 
user3047181
laws of nature don't necessarily result in better conditions for all human beings
 
you say that, but all observed evidence is that the conditions for human beings have done nothing but improve for the last hundred thousand years.
and evolution tells us that human beings who get along survive better than those who don't.
 
user3047181
I'd rather be a hunter gatherer, spending just 4 hours a day searching for nuts and berries and stuff, instead of spending 8+ hours working for the man
 
user1804599
Problem is that you get ill and die because you don't have anything to pay people for healing you.
 
apart from the inherent childishness involved in that sentence, hunter gatherers had to work for more like 10 hours a day every day.
and even that gave them a massively shorter and much less pleasant life than we have now.
 
user3047181
8:25 PM
@elyse as long as I live 40 years, it still works out better
 
user3047181
@ScottW no I'm not, all the wilds are taken by the corporations, man
 
come to Canada
lots of open space
 
you likely won't live 40 years
you'll catch dysentery and die
 
user1804599
Canada is awful.
 
user3047181
hunter gatherers lived 50 on average
 
user1804599
8:26 PM
Better go to the USA.
 
HA
HAHAHAHA
 
user3047181
agriculture led to more diseases and worse nutrition
 
well, they had the benefit of thousands of years to figure out how to do it
 
user3047181
and then industry made it even worse...
 
you, on the other hand, have pretty much zero skill or experience in hunter-gathering.
@MeltyButter All those damn medicines, man, extending the human lifespan to 80 on average...
 
user1804599
8:27 PM
Gathering hunters is fun.
 
and making all that food that we're literally having to learn how to not continually overeat
fucking industrial revolution.
all that shelter, warmth
how could they?!
 
user3047181
@Puppy industrial revolution was fantastic, but it only counteracted the damage that the agri revolution did
 
user3047181
*counteracted, only barely
 
yes, that damn agricultural revolution
it only massively increased our population, enabled us to dedicate resources to science for the first time, and gave birth to all civilization.
 
user3047181
oh yay, increased population! that improves my life!
 
8:30 PM
certainly does.
 
user3047181
as a hunter gatherer I spend 4 hours looking for food, the rest I just hang around with the lads and enjoy my life.
 
I dunno about you but I don't have time to learn how to make all the different foods I like, harvest them myself, build my own house, build my own power station, and then build my own computer, and then sit back and have one nice meal.
 
user3047181
otherwise I work on excel spreadsheets for 8 hours, then go home and cry.
 
@MeltyButter as a native american who has thoroughly looked into his heritage, I can assure you that is not the fucking case at all.
lol
like not even a little
 
user3047181
what you mean, they had to gather for more than 4 hours?
 
user3047181
8:32 PM
even 8 hours gathering is better than 8 hours spreadsheeting, imo
 
@MeltyButter Hunter-gatherers had to work all the time. Furthermore, they frequently succumbed to disease, predation and other horrible deaths.
 
@ScottW thanks
 
@Puppy ohh and war. sure we still have war. but back then another tribe would kill all of your men just to steal a few chunks of meat and your women.
 
user3047181
pfft hunter gatherers didn't die to predation
 
user3047181
disease, sure, but I'm quite at risk of that today
 
8:32 PM
@Mysticial Ugh... "therefore help me with this"
 
/me heads out for beers
 
@MeltyButter Not even on a remotely comparable scale.
@MeltyButter Sure, I'm certain that there were no lions, crocodiles, or wolves in the natural world.
 
gg
 
user3047181
okay yes, a hg (hunter gatherer) doesnt live as long as a modern man, but a modern man has to spend 10 hours working/paying bills/chores etc
 
user3047181
a hg spends 6 hours max, and then done
 
user1804599
8:34 PM
Don't be yourself; you suck.
 
hg spends way more time working than modern man.
 
user3047181
so a 40 y/o hg versus a 80 modern man, about equal
 
modern man is one of the laziest things to ever exist.
 
Ell
I don't know, a hunter gatherer wouldbt suffer diseases due to poor diet
Hunter Gatherers didn't get diabeetus etc
 
@Ell Well, actually, they kinda did. hgs in america had a big problem about eating too many rabbits with not enough fat in them. And there were frequently problems with the foods you were trying to hg now being extinct, and similar matters.
 
Ell
8:35 PM
Which constitute a large amount of diseases
 
hah, no
they constitute a trivially small portion of diseases.
they only constitute a large amount of diseases for modern man because we already killed all the other diseases.
 
user1804599
What's your favourite disease?
 
user3047181
would you rather spend 4 hours looking for berries or 4 hours filling in tps forms?
 
hmm
 
user1804599
The latter; it doesn't involve getting stung by awful insects.
 
8:36 PM
filling in tps forms involves being in a warm safe place, and when you're done, you are not then just stuck in the forest with nothing.
 
Fuck berries
 
user1804599
It also doesn't involve collecting potentially poisonous food.
 
user3047181
I'd rather live my life than be all safe and secure and stuff
 
user1804599
I'm awful at botany.
 
user3047181
I want adventure
 
8:37 PM
have you ever actually been on an adventure.
 
Being secure and stuff is a prerequisite for living
Mostly
 
user1804599
You want adventure? You want Lounge<C++>.
 
user3047181
okay I'll admit I'd rather be a developed world resident than a hunter gatherer
 
Ell
I think being a subsistence farmer would be much better than a hunter gatherer
 
user3047181
but most modern men aren't developed world residents
 
user3047181
8:38 PM
most of use toil in sweatshops etc
 
You could always just travel with a backpack and stuff.
 
it's true that some parts of the world are more developed than others.
but a sweatshop is still massively more developed than a hg
 
Backpack full of guns
 
See the world, avoid tourists, that kind of stuff.
 
user3047181
8:38 PM
@Puppy no, no, no
 
user1804599
Luckily hormone replacement therapy is free of charge.
 
user3047181
working 12 hours and still die of malaria?
 
user3047181
@elyse not everywhere...
 
user1804599
Otherwise I'd have to collect a lot of berries to pay for it.
 
are you actually currently receiving hormone replacement therapy
 
user1804599
8:40 PM
No.
 
@MeltyButter Well, if they actually did die of malaria, they wouldn't be able to have children who would grow up to work 12 hours a day, would they?
 
user1804599
:(
 
user1804599
I have to tell my parents first.
 
user1804599
Then go to doctor and see what he'll say.
 
user3047181
sure, sex changes are one of the nice benefits of modern tech. But take the whole thing on balance. Overall we're better off as 50000 bc savages
 
8:41 PM
Aren't you 18 by now
 
medicines and techniques from civilization and science are helping to keep them alive
 
user1804599
expert-sexchange
 
@MeltyButter Evolution clearly says otherwise.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Yes but I live with my parents.
 
user3047181
@Puppy most of them are raped by the age of 14...
 
8:41 PM
if we genuinely were better off that way, we'd still be that way.
 
[citation needed]
 
@MeltyButter Malaria can kill children even more readily than adults, you know;.
 
user3047181
lol yeah, I made that up
 
user3047181
@Puppy no
 
user1804599
 
user3047181
8:42 PM
we evolved to whatever stage resulted in largest number of humans
 
user3047181
evolution doesn't care how happy the organisms are
 
Yes that's how evolution works
Congratulations
 
user1804599
Lack of happiness results in increase in suicide.
 
And you know how happy people were that long ago because
 
plenty of people are unhappy and they haven't killed themselves
 
user1804599
8:43 PM
Because they didn't have C++.
 
Ell
@elyse how will you bring it up with your parents?
 
@MeltyButter We have the largest number of humans because it involved not dying of dysentery, unlike hgs.
 
user1804599
@Ell I'll probably go to my mom and say "hey mom I want to be a girl instead of a boy" or something along those lines.
 
No, it's mental asylum
 
Ell
Maybe you should cross dress etc. before undergoing hormones, maybe you will be happy enough then
 
user1804599
8:44 PM
no hormones no boobs
 
Ell
Is it reversible? Hormone therapy
 
user1804599
no boobs no happiness
 
@elyse wait I thought you already started
 
user1804599
@Ell I dunno. I don't care either.
 
user3047181
only a small percentage of people are transgender...
 
user3047181
8:44 PM
I'm thinking about the greater good here
 
@elyse Everyone can get behind that
 
LOL
 
Ell
@elyse you don't care at the minute :3
 
user1804599
@ʞɔᴉN I wear stuff occasionally. When home-alone.
 
user1804599
@ScottW sure come over when I have them
 
8:45 PM
Just talk to your parents you butt
 
user1804599
:v
 
Unless they're stone-age people then move out
 
ah, I meant i thought you already began hrt
 
@Boni An attacker would need more than just my email account to make a successful attack at anything that's... well... not immediately the email address. And while we are at that, I might set up a two-phase auth to that email one day vOv
 
user1804599
I'm pretty sure they're fine with it but it's still tensive.
 
Ell
8:45 PM
If they are stoneage just defoo
 
debar
 
user1804599
It's like dynamic typing. You're never 100% sure.
 
user3047181
most new guinean hg people choose not to join "modern" society, so what does that tell you, eh?
 
(All the other truly essential services I have do have a two-phase auth enabled.)
 
8:46 PM
@MeltyButter That they're stupid
 
Ugh how the hell am I supposed to survive an almost day long train trip tomorrow :F
 
user1804599
oh @MeltyButter is from Ireland apparently
 
Which is not surprising at all
 
user1804599
hey @thecoshman y u no mates
 
Ell
@Griwes read a book Or talk.to other passengers
Reading on the train tends.to make me.feel queasy
 
8:47 PM
@Ell I don't mean that.
 
lol talking to people
 
@Nooble please implement an event queue
 
@Ell Are you on mobile?
 
user1804599
2 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Just talk to your parents you butt
 
Ell
I am.indeed on mobile
 
8:48 PM
I mean, it's fucking 40°C during the day.
 
Ell
Oh I see
 
user1804599
TIL @sehe isn't a person.
 
@ScottW Good.
 
That is the problem. I usually do read a book or do something on a computer :P
 
@Griwes Have fun cookin
 
8:48 PM
@elyse Sehe is my person <3
 
It's not like I've never travelled for a day before.
 
Travelling is bad
 
@ʞɔᴉN Never.
 
Ell
@Griwes buy a bunch of ice and bring a cooler box :P
 
Just I don't think the weather was ever this absurd during such a thing.
 
8:49 PM
But I've seen sehe :(
 
As long as there's no winter
 
@CatPlusPlus At least I'll end up a cookie in the countryside, not in a city I spend almost the entire year in. :P
 
@ʞɔᴉN But have you been sehe
 
@Nooble please convert to jabbascript to avoid blocking
 
@elyse what will your new post-HRT name be
 
8:49 PM
@Griwes As I said
 
Ell
Attach a CPU heatsink to your forehead
 
@CatPlusPlus No but I'd love to
 
You never will
ha ha ha
This temperature is not mixing well with beer
 
but..
 
@CatPlusPlus No, it isn't. :D
 
user1804599
8:50 PM
@Jeremy Elyse
 
Ebuttse
 
user1804599
Stupid Cat.
 
user3047181
@CatPlusPlus why?
 
Yes
@MeltyButter Because people are stupid
 
Ell
@elyse is that name set in stone?
 
8:51 PM
duh
@Ell Worse, it's set in paper
 
user1804599
@Ell No.
 
please change your name to Nicky
 
user3047181
did we ever get to the bottom of the multiculturalism issue? who won?
 
I don't know how many times do I have to explain deploy procedure before people learn to do it
@MeltyButter Rocks fell, nobody won
 
@ScottW +1
 
Ell
8:52 PM
I prefer the spelling Elise
 
Fur Elise
 
0/10 not hipster enough
 
user1804599
I have to go to one two so-called gender teams and they'll give me a paper that I can then give to the municipality to have my name and gender changed on my birth certificate and ID card.
 
@ʞɔᴉN I don't do Jabbascript.
 
Ell
But I think Lydia is a very nice.girls.name
 
8:52 PM
nice.girls.com
 
@elyse Whoa, changed on your birth certificate? That's pretty cool.
 
user1804599
@Ell y u no y
 
@Ell nice.girls.name
 
Is reading comprehension dead
(yes it is)
 
Started from the bottom now we still here
 
8:53 PM
I already made that joke
You slowbutt
 
@ʞɔᴉN Y u no on mumble
 
user1804599
@Jeremy In Argentina it's even better; you can just have it changed without any barriers.
 
snackchat is throttling me send help
Or ideally move to IRC so I can rapid fire bad jokes
 
user1804599
You should all go to #scala on Freenode as it's unmoderated.
 
user3047181
But Im really good at debate. Surely if you don't agree with me, that means you're wrong
 
8:54 PM
@ScottW And you're not invited
 
user1804599
Nobody has op status there.
 
Went on the mumble now my whole squad isn't here.
 
r i p
 
@ScottW lets take the porsche panamera gts out for a spin
And nooble I'm at work
Cats jokes arent worth it anyways
 
@elyse Seems the procedure varies wildly in the U.S. (by state), but the vast majority of states permit changing the sex on a birth certificate.
 
8:55 PM
What other chat
 
user1804599
IRC has /me. We can conclude that IRC > Stack Exchange Chat.
 
YOUD THINK IT WAS SMART ENOUGH TO NOT PLAY IT TWICE
BUT NO
@ScottW There was never a chat there
There was a LoungeChat project but it was Kyrostated
Plus it's dumb to reimplement chat
There's Slack one
For secret stuff
 
@CatPlusPlus So... not dead?
 
People used it for Unconference bis
 
Ell
No butt someone needs to write it
 
8:57 PM
mumble is better for secret stuff because there's no log
 
@ScottW Mumble.
 
Ell
@elyse you know.Erlang right?
 
user1804599
Yes. :)
 
No log is bad
 
Ell
I will pay you to implement lounge chat
 
8:57 PM
You weren't there yesterday Scott.
You didn't hear Nick's singing.
 
And i was never invited to unconference i am so affronted
 
Ell
It's p much already implemented actually
 
Is it that 400 euro you bought
 
Ell
It's just a bunch of XMPP extensions
 
user1804599
8:58 PM
@Ell No. Too boring.
 
Ell
I think the only.thing not implemented is OpenID Connect auth
 
There's only one snakchat feature worth implementing, and it's not even implemented in snackchat
Just get to the fucking IRC
 
Ell
and reply arrows
Besides that jabber has everything
 
Fuckin hipsters
> Fact: you can't talk to people without fancy web technology
 
True
 
Xeo
8:59 PM
Hey, @TIME, quick question - were you actually trying to sound hopelessly out of touch and/or offensive? http://t.co/MghWccFb6f
whoah.
 

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