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11:00 AM
reddit was always bad
> After 1008316 clicks, the experiment has ended at 05 Jun 21:50:55 UTC.
meh
 
@Griwes lol
 
Ell
Stockholm has many beggars
I didn't imagine seeing even one
 
Just wait till you're in Berlin.
 
Ell
I didn't imagine seeing any there either :v
I imagine in Czech republic & Hungary
 
> UNLESS OTHERWISE AGREED IN WRITING BY INTEL, THE INTEL
PRODUCTS ARE NOT DESIGNED NOR INTENDED FOR ANY APPLICATION
IN WHICH THE FAILURE OF THE INTEL PRODUCT COULD CREATE A
SITUATION WHERE PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH MAY OCCUR
 
11:07 AM
According to 2011 census, there are about 11.5 thousand homeless people in ČR. I suspect quote a lot of them do beg in Prague.
 
@Columbo haha
 
It's not like hospital computers are running on intel cpus or shit
 
@Columbo The question is whether such disclaimer (waiver?) is legal.
 
@wilx It's in their official Intel compiler documentation
 
@Columbo OK, but that says nothing about it being legal.
 
11:11 AM
Why wouldn't it be legal?
It states the purpose of the product.
I.e. not situations where blah blah bhla
 
Ell
I cant see why it wouldn't be legal
 
In some jurisdictions you can't disclaim responsibility for certain things
 
^ This.
 
Ell
You can't force a use case onto someone's product
 
@Prismatic That's not what the disclaimer does.
 
11:12 AM
Thats why if you read a software license it'll usually say "no warrantee etc, as far as permitted by the law"
 
It merely states the purpose.
 
Fair enough, its a disclaimer and not an agreement
 
They'll use that in court to attribute responsibility to misuse by the user.
@Prismatic No, my point is that it says nothing about responsibility.
 
Court<C++>
 
It says that they didn't design for those purposes.
They can then claim that the user used it beyond its intended purpose and with that it's easier to shift responsibility.
 
11:20 AM
@wilx I heard it's pretty lucrative
 
@ScarletAmaranth I heard some can get like 500 CZK a day for just few hours of begging.
 
@wilx yeah you can basically make reasonable living like that; for some definition of reasonable anyway
 
@wilx That sounds like too little.
I think it's usually around 8-10 euros an hour.
Maybe CZ isn't as good for begging.
It's very unstable, though.
 
police in my city actively garfunkels beggars away from the city center
so that's pretty sweet
 
@wilx Well, maybe if it's just two hours a day :D
 
11:27 AM
Is that a word
 
@ScarletAmaranth: Unless there are like smelly clusters of them I do not mind them. They are citizens too and they have every right to be on public places as anybody else.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dunno. It certainly was not for 8 hours of "work."
 
Looming threat of smelly clusters of beggars
 
What annoys me about beggars is that they're either the most down-trodden people or scum taking advantage of some of them being the most down-trodden people.
 
@wilx IIRC the IRS once published that the average income for a panhandler in the US is between 30 and 50K
 
It's like people exploit everything they can
Shocking
 
11:28 AM
Sometimes I buy food to homeless people.
 
which is more than most teachers are paid
 
@Mgetz Wow, that's pretty decent, I guess.
 
@Mgetz $15-$25 an hour.
Seems plausible.
 
@wilx well take into consideration that those numbers are from panhandlers that actually paid their taxes... also the US has no mental health system anymore
 
Ugh I hate gas stoves without the electric spark thingy
Always nearly burn myself
 
11:31 AM
@CatPlusPlus Burnt your whiskers?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shit man, I was earning less while working my ass of in USA.
 
user1804599
@wilx Yeah; he's bad at boxplots.
 
ANd I am earning much less as a programmer
Begging must be more interesting than JavaScript in any ways.
 
@khajvah I suspect JavaScript in winter is better than begging. :)
@elyse New kind of rickroll?
 
@wilx I should beg online (indiegogo)
 
user1804599
11:36 AM
@wilx More like a new language feature.
 
@elyse Why does it link to some stupid music video?
 
user1804599
It doesn't; you must be mistaken.
 
@wilx It's not stupid, it is great.
 
Which profession is worse: beggars or whores?
 
That's not even a question
 
11:43 AM
begging is not a profession.
 
@chmod711telkitty In what sense? Neither offends me. Whoring seems like something a lot more useful for me than begging is. :) So, I guess begging is worse in this metric. :)
 
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a rocket, cool!
 
27 years old is not young
Not even close.
 
not sure what the first image represents
a fly's head?
 
I remember that rocket in the ad before it exploded ..
j/k
 
11:47 AM
> Groom sues his bride for damages one day after their wedding after seeing her without make-up for the first time and feeling 'cheated'
 
@MarcoA. LOL
 
interesting that he hadn't seen his wife/girlfriend without make-up before marriage
not a single time
 
@khajvah Hey!
 
@MarcoA. I suspect the mating habits are different over there. :)
 
@wilx yep, can't imagine how that could work here either
 
11:49 AM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ That's like at least 10 years of experience starting from college.
 
@MarcoA. It's an alien from a famous game
 
@MarcoA. Should I be happy I see squares?
...after consulting google... yes I should.
 
@Griwes no, your eye doctor should be happy
more €€ for him
 
Ell
Oh sheeit Czech repulic don't use euros I just realised
 
lel
gj
 
11:52 AM
@Ell Yup. Czech crown (CZK).
 
Poland also doesn't use euros, in case you didn't find that out yet xD
 
user1804599
 
Ell
I know They usE slotties or something :P
Zlottys
 
Złotówki.
:D
> slotties
 
Ell
Welp I better go to the currency exchange at some point I Suppose
 
11:54 AM
lol
 
@Griwes łove this ł
 
Ell
@Griwes I Think it is unlikely that I will make it To Poland :(
 
@Ell You better also stop randomly capitalizing stuff.
@Ell u suck m8
 
Ell
Its this terrible.phone.man
 
lol
 
11:55 AM
scheiße then
 
Get a better phone man then
 
@MarcoA. Is there a different ł that you hate, or...?
 
@Griwes nope, I just like how it's written
 
Ell
I will repair my.usual one when.I am.back from holidays
 
@CatPlusPlus Like a Blackberry.
 
11:59 AM
lol
 
I will never have the skill or money to pull something like that off :[
 
@Prismatic Is is also laggy and full of bugs?
 
what
 
I don't get it
 
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
Ell
And fuck hungart isn't euro either
Well I done goofed proper bad
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes slow, slow, slow
sloppy, slow and sloppy
 
You can buy local currency locally you know
 
12:05 PM
In common tourist destinations there should be exchanges near stations or whatever you're travelling by
 
user1804599
hoere
 
How fucking stupid the JavaScript ecosystem is.
 
What
That's not inheritance, that's merge
 
@CatPlusPlus I usually just grab it from the nearest ATM.
 
Or that
But he sounds like he bought a ton of euro
 
Ell
12:07 PM
Yeah But rates are prolly bad
 
Every framework has it's own implementation of class.
 
Rates are always bad
Unless you're trading thousands
 
Ell
I bought £400 worth of euro
I got interbank rates on those though
 
user1804599
I should write the dickpic public license.
 
Ell
its okay I am going to españa after anyway
 
user1804599
12:10 PM
You can't use the software unless you either lack a dick or send a pic of your dick to the author.
 
You can type accents but can't capitalise properly?
 
@CatPlusPlus Close enough
 
Yeah no it's totally different thing and you just look dumb complaining about nothing
Beh my mouse wheel is starting to disintegrate
 
@CatPlusPlus My complaint was about somehting else, grumpy cat
This was something else.
 
Ell
Typing accents.is just holding down, capitalising properly means removing whole word
 
12:13 PM
@CatPlusPlus Also, Backbone uses it for inheritance-kind of mechanism
 
lol type prediction
 
@Ell How much did that save you?
 
Anyway prototypes are crap
 
Which is why they make stuff that resemble classes. And JS ecosystem ends up being one big load of mess.
 
What someone else uses for sugar doesn't really affect you at all
So who cares
 
12:20 PM
@Ell lol, doofus. :D
 
I am using someone else's framework. But you are right, I should stop giving fuck
and chill
THe point is, there shouldn't be sugars for this kind of stuff/
 
guys help
I need to troubleshoot a native assembly resolution issue but I don't have a GUI
 
@Mr.kbok A what? This .NET or something?
 
@Griwes I'd say, "how retarded", but that doesn't cut it
Would these people try to rewrite historical records too?
That's how I view commits in version control systems
 
pop quiz, any one know of any plugins for chrome and/or firefox that can monitor a jenkins job and show you it's build status?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, just native DLLs. My program won't start. No idea.
 
Remote debugging?
 
It's a build/test farm.
 
12:29 PM
Those idiots set up 3 linux slaves. Obviously no one is using them
 
Why is remote debugging not an option?
 
evening
 
@Mr.kbok: Get credentials, log in onto the build system itself?
 
The program won't start. Are you suggesting I open a remote session?
 
12:30 PM
@wilx I guess. I need to phone the guy who has it
 
@Prismatic xor encryption is encraption
 
user1804599
 
> Please consider the impact on the environment before printing this e-mail
wait... there's people out there printing emails automatically?
 
yep
they get an email and then print it and put it in a physical in-tray
 
user1804599
I connected my printer to the shredder.
 
12:41 PM
I simply did not purchase a printer.
 
There's a story that goes: When people started using e-mails, paper companies expacted a huge drop in sales. Actually the sales dramatically rised, because people would send e-mail for any shit that needed told and the ones receiving them would just print everything.
I'm not sure how true this is.
Information quality level: reddit
 
at least the quality level is not 4chan
 
4chan>reddit
 
Most paper goes for packaging, not communication.
 
12:48 PM
This was probably the 80's though
 
user1804599
 
TIL this is legal C:
struct {}* f() { return 0; }
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes must most of packaging is for communication...
the CIRCLE!!!!! the circle of life
 
@thecoshman what if life is triangle?
circle-scum
I'm triggered by your lack of angles
 
12:52 PM
one circle has more angles then a triangle could even fathom
 
Huh... Is it possible to analyze the devices connected via certain IP addresses? I'm using GalilTools and it seems to realize something is plugged in and know it's address
 
@thecoshman your angles are infinitesimal
 
@corvid Are you h4cking?
 
@orlp each one of them is equals all of a triangles
@R.MartinhoFernandes tl;dr
 
12:54 PM
I almost want to buy one of Miles Mathis' books.
 
@khajvah Nah, I'm making a user interface to a robotic arm, the problem is that I have to know the IP address of the device
 
@corvid Yes, there are discovery protocols. Not always IP though.
 
@thecoshman Have you ever had a dream, that, that you um, you had, you, you wou, you cou, you do, you wou, you want, you, you could do so, you, you do, you cou, you, you wan, you want the angles to do you so much you could do anything?
 
@thecoshman You don't have to read far.
 
@corvid If you know the subnet, you can broadcast a ping to discover connected machines.
 
12:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes l is for lazy
 
@corvid How are you connected to that @R.MartinhoFernandes robot?
 
Seriously, the first sentence is enough.
> Abstract: I show that in kinematic situations, π is 4. For all those going ballistic over my title, I repeat and stress that this paper applies to kinematic situations, not to static situations. I am analyzing an orbit, which is caused by motion and includes the time variable. In that situation, π becomes 4. When measuring your waistline, you are not creating an orbit, and you can keep π for that. So quit writing me nasty, uninformed letters.
 
subnet being the subnet mask? Like the number that has 4 numbers between 255 separated by . ?
 
@corvid Also, try this
 
12:58 PM
@khajvah Trying to do it programmatically when I start up the application. Basically, the first startup action is "find the controller, try to connect, and on connection being established, continue"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't get the point
 
@corvid You should know something about the device, as you can have 10s of other devices in the network. Why not make it user providable? I.e. Get the ip from the user, try to connect ...
 
But there should only be one of these types of devices attached, so I was wondering if you could discover all connections of type (some device)
 
You can scan for a specific port maybe. And use that port only for that kind of device.
 
@corvid The right one is the one that works.
That's super effective, and any other method will either give false positives, or boil down to checking if it works.
 
1:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Some protocols include discovery mechanisms but if this one doesn't you're stuck with "try to connect".
 
@corvid Define connection
 
@CatPlusPlus Hard-wired network cable into device
 
guys, brute champagne it
 
All you can do generically with that is detect whether there actually is physical connection
 
1:03 PM
@corvid So the device is not connected to a network?
 
or either look at the dhcp server to see what IP it's added, or it has a static ip that should be well known
 
@CatPlusPlus It'd be awesome to have on my shelf. Next to The Eye of Argon and Atlanta Nights.
 
No, not necessarily, it is supposed to be hardwired in every time
 
Though I don't have Atlanta Nights anymore. Gave it as a gift.
 
@corvid you mean the device static assigns it's own ip?
 
1:04 PM
@corvid Well, that's a different story.
 
Ethernet has ARP for node advertisement
 
The device should have a static ip then.
 
What for
Unless you really like conflicts
 
because it's lazy
 
@CatPlusPlus It is not supposed to be connected to a network
 
1:06 PM
@thecoshman Not sure. Basically, if I plug the device in then go to GalilTools, it shows the proper connection IP address. I'm just wondering how they did that
 
just to one computer
 
@corvid what is this 'GaliTools'
 
@khajvah That's a network
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah but there is no risk for conflict
 
Also nobody said anything about point-to-point
 
1:07 PM
@thecoshman A galil controller is a piece of hardware that manages moving parts along x, y, and z axis. GalilTools is basically just software where you can interact with it
 
@corvid where does it run? are you sure this isn't like a serial connection?
 
@CatPlusPlus I think he meant that by "Hardwired into the device."
 
Hardwired means it's not unpluggable
 
is it actually suing standard Ethernet?
 
I hope not.
 
1:08 PM
it's got to plug into something somewhere
 
Networking isn't simple and all of the descriptions so far are vague at best
 
Yes Cat is right
 
Yeah if I unplug it it will disappear and lose connection. It plugs from the ethernet on a computer to the ethernet plug directly on the board
 
You guys ever make a plan for writing a whole bunch of tests but then get lazy half way and decide to short cut the hell out of everything
 
@thecoshman If it was some industry protocol then it'd likely not use IP at all
 
1:09 PM
so it's not hard wired, it's a patch lead
 
@orlp Combined with implicit int you could have very obscure errors in the ancient times of no compiler warnings, like this
 
you computer is acting a dhcp server and giving the device at the other end an IP
boom network of two devices
 
Physical connections can be detected trivially
 
@thecoshman server*
 
yeah, server sorry :P
well... potentially... the device is still static IP, but that would be moronic
 
1:11 PM
I see, that makes sense... but how do you know what IP the server has assigned?
 
because the dhcp service keeps tracks of what ips it assigned
 
user1804599
Servers may have many IPs.
 
and that software could just be doing a broadcast over UDP or some shit like that
some ~magic~ packet that the device knows to respond to
it's all very trivially when you gloss over the details
 
No, it means doing a broadcast
 
@khajvah no, it's a broad cast
 
1:13 PM
I thought the device was "broadcasting"
 
allow to do a practical demonstration...
Hi
 
@thecoshman Er, is it?
 
Anybody have any idea how to setup a natvis array type that can visualise <T> (whereby internally its stored as a char* buffer?
 
... oh look, no polite people responded to my broad cast in time for me to care
 
I don't remember Windows boxes serving DHCP by default.
 
1:14 PM
You don't even need to know your own IP to broadcast to your own network
You just send packets to 255.255.255.255
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes fairly sure they do... for bridge connections at least... I know windows does automatically negotiate connections like that...
 
@CatPlusPlus Can you get the ip of the device who broadcasts a message?
 
maybe not...
 
All packets have a source address otherwise you wouldn't be able to connect to anything
 
@thecoshman You get two options: obtain an address automatically, or use a static one.
There's no option to provide addresses.
 
1:16 PM
Client Windows doesn't ship with a DHCP server, no
 
@khajvah the point is you don't need to know your own IP at the application layer to send a broadcast, but your own IP is known at the lower levels and attached to packets
 
If you plug two boxes via cable and both are set to use DHCP addresses, you'll get autoconfig IPs both sides.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh maybe that's what I'm thinking
 
user1804599
@Asheh Vague question of the year award.
 
What that thing uses is probably zeroconf not DHCP
 
1:19 PM
~NSFW WARNING~
~NSFW WARNING~
 
27 mins ago, by khajvah
 
@elyse do you not understand the question?
 
oh my bad
 
user1804599
No, of course not.
 
Hmm seems obvious
 
user1804599
1:20 PM
I'm not a cryptography expert.
 
I hate being late to the game
 
@Prismatic You got it from 4chan, didn't you?
 
It has nothing to do with cryptography
But good try
If you have never set up any natvis files to visualise datatypes in VS, I wouldn't expect you to understand the question im afraid
Sorry
 
@Asheh Don't you just declare it as T use then give an expression for calculating its length?
All you need is a member that's a char*
And a size
 
Yup you can use index list items like so:
<IndexListItems>
<Size>m_Count</Size>
<ValueNode>m_pData[$i * m_ElementSize]</ValueNode>
</IndexListItems>
 
1:24 PM
I haven't put together a NATVIS file in months, though
 
Works great but the debugger still appears to display them as char*
 
@0x90 Theres is a specific closed reason about asking for off site resources including tutorials which is exactly what youre asking about here. At 10k rep, I'm a little surprised you don't know about this. (Sure, course isn't exactly tutorial, but it's still an off-site resource so it fits the category) — Borgleader 2 mins ago
 
Does it support casting? is it possible to cast to T?
or would I have to specialize each type and cast explictly
 
@Asheh I don't know--all my needs were fully met with just the array indicator. If you try it, though, the worst that will happen is it fails to compile and gives you error messages every time you examine the object in debug mode
 
Yeah tried it, it works for my atomic types
But I'd like to simplify the visualiser
 
1:27 PM
I'd say experiment with casting expressions in the NATVIS file and then if that doesn't work actually specialize stuff
 
yea ill try it thanks, I cant for the life of me find much information on casting
(Y)
 
:| when you use -q option... and no longer trust it still run
 
Thanks, but it's been 5 years. I don't use Visual Studio 2008 anymore ;) — fredoverflow 49 secs ago
 
BOOST
 
SUCKS
@jaggedSpire found it $T1 and $T2 are the template types =)
 
1:37 PM
BLOAST
 
> "...one of the most highly regarded and expertly designed C++ library projects in the world." — Herb Sutter and Andrei Alexandrescu, C++ Coding Standards
 
@elyse Aw man, eat a dick.
There are jokes that should not be done.
This is one of them.
 
Don't worry, they'll fix variadics.
 
@EtiennedeMartel battered?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Like C++
 
1:40 PM
@thecoshman Wow, you residents of the British Isles would eat anything that's battered.
(That being said, I could go for some fish and chips right now)
 
@EtiennedeMartel :( It's our terrible pride shame
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel You forget they he'd gladly do just that.
 
@Xeo Fuck.
 

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