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7:00 AM
beer does taste good
 
Xeo
If you replace it with something actually tasty, yes. :P
 
I like gin, whiskey, beer, wine, rum...
shit just realized the list goes on and on
 
wine sucks
beers meh
vodka thick
 
you suck!
 
sake... sake's somewhat okay
it's almost good
fröken sounds somewhat iike frickin
 
7:09 AM
going to Germany in a month, gonna drink lots of beer :)
 
germany
meh
us meh
france meh
japan meh
earth meh
Mars? Mars hm.
 
Mars beer sucks :)
 
user1804599
Hi.
 
user1804599
All beer sucks.
 
user1804599
Water is the best drink.
 
7:16 AM
stop being so Cinch-y
 
Water is probably the best drink all things considered
 
you can't compare one to other
 
Ven
hai
 
@Ven iie
 
user1804599
hello ventiel
 
Ven
7:18 AM
pls
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Fascinating. I always wondered.
 
Yeah, me too lol
 
so it's friday
yesterday was national holiday
 
I never bothered to check though
 
7:22 AM
most of the people took vacation today
6 hours ago, by Aequitas
who's bartek
lol wot
6 hours ago, by Aequitas
no mention of bartek in there tho
We should change that
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes master
 
premature ejaculator, n.:
        Troubled shooter.
 
I am newbie to C++. Anyone heard of Clion? How is it compared to visual studio community?
 
^ my today's fortune
 
@VermillionAzure wine is great, steak + wine = heaven
wine + wine = get drunkest
wine * wine = ethylic comatose state
wine! = ...
 
7:27 AM
@MarcoA. welp at least i know "gullig" means cute in Sweedish now
and "fröken' means miss
 
user1804599
@LiuHao It works on Gentoo.
 
@MarcoA. I bet Cinch likes well done steak
 
@rightfold What is Gentoo?
 
@LiuHao You should install it
 
user1804599
 
7:28 AM
@khajvah no
 
@khajvah Do you mean I should install Clion?
 
I like it rare
Not super rare, but not medium rare
 
@LiuHao install gentoo!
 
I am using windows.
 
7:29 AM
@LiuHao This is the Internet this is the Internet
 
Don't know much of linux
 
@LiuHao linux to winix
 
user1804599
That's sad.
 
@LiuHao nobody is perfect. (Cicada's joke)
 
I have install ubuntu in my VMware.
But it is very slow than windows.
 
7:31 AM
@khajvah wat
 
user1804599
+1 for properly capitalising "VMware".
 
much slower
 
@FlorianMargaine gentoo
 
@LiuHao Linux is probably the better operating system for development anyways.
 
@khajvah stop trolling newbies
 
7:31 AM
@khajvah yes. Gentoo is not something one should install.
 
@VermillionAzure [citation-needed]
 
I hate ubuntu. They don't even have the word linux in their website
 
@BartekBanachewicz
 
selfish cunts
 
My compute is Core i3 and 4G RAM. Is it enough for installing ubuntu?
 
7:32 AM
@BartekBanachewicz hm well most linux distros come with a package manager.
 
@khajvah why would they? does google's android have it?
 
@LiuHao Oh my god
You're asking if pigs don't fly.
 
@LiuHao The IDE itself is still pretty buggy and slow from what I heard, but it features a better compiler. If you're not an avid C++ user, you'll prolly be fine with VS.
@VermillionAzure So does my MSYS2 environ.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thx a lot!
 
@FlorianMargaine why? Entire kernel is linux, which is the major part of the OS. They gotta give credit.
 
7:33 AM
kernel is hardly a major part of the OS
 
it is the major part
 
@khajvah kernel is linux, which is <1% of the number of their packages
 
@BartekBanachewicz So uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
Windows sometimes has really weird quirks that Linux avoids. Although sure, both have their own flaws.
The only good solution is to write your own flawless OS.
 
you're going to port the other half of the GNU/Linux OS to Windows
 
7:34 AM
@FlorianMargaine doesn't matter. Kernel is the most important part
 
@khajvah It is one of the major parts.
 
well, linux has the advantage that since noone uses it, there's no widespread virus on it
 
@VermillionAzure "half" lol
 
@khajvah Nope.
 
@khajvah [citation-needed]
 
7:34 AM
@FlorianMargaine "no one uses linux"
you funny
 
Is Core i3 and 4G RAM enough to install an Ubuntu?
 
@LiuHao OF COURSE
 
lol
@VermillionAzure stop Cinching.
 
@VermillionAzure compared to windows, on desktop, worldwide? Definitely.
 
@VermillionAzure Thanks!
 
7:34 AM
My god Linux is almost as old as Microsoft Window's history
 
@LiuHao Ubuntu is much older than Core series CPUs when you think about it :)
 
Okay guys.
 
@FlorianMargaine Linux is a popular choice for servers
 
I think that we had this discussion here before
and nothing good came out of it.
 
@VermillionAzure he asked about Ubuntu, not arbitrary distro
 
7:35 AM
people don't write viruses for servers
 
also @Griwes is right
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh I see.
 
(Yeah I know ironic that it's me who says that.)
 
GTFO with that topic to Linux Sucks room or whatever
 
@LiuHao Ubuntu, like many other Linux distributions, can support different desktop environments
 
7:36 AM
he asked about CLion and you fucking fanatics absolutely had to comment on his OS
 
So if your computer cannot handle Unity you can switch to something lighter
 
lol
 
enough :F
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, coz windows sucks
 
user1804599
i3 FTW
 
7:36 AM
@Griwes Yeah, like synchro syscalls that are unreliable...ohwait....that's Linux:)
 
blergh i3
 
i3 and mate
 
I mean have you seen the logging API?
 
inb4 a CPU flame war
@FlorianMargaine enough mate
 
@Griwes AMD WINS!
surely
 
7:37 AM
here it goes
 
lel
 
My Ubuntu on my VMware is GNOME. But I have not got a good experience with Ubuntu.
 
inb4 Itanium rlz
 
user1804599
What does i3 have to do with CPUs?
 
In the literal sense of flames.
 
user1804599
7:37 AM
i3wm.org noob
 
@rightfold not this i3
 
@LiuHao Well does it matter if it's Ubuntu?
 
and awesome > i3
 
There are many, many Linux distributions and I believe you can make it as light as you desire.
 
@LiuHao Having Xorg installed in a Linux running in a VM on Windows is kinda silly, just ssh into it and use Vim vOv
 
7:38 AM
No!
 
@Xeo I wanted to link that comic to you, lol. I still don't get how you can live surrounded by all those amazing tastes and not like them :S
 
Xeo
Because they are not-amazing. vOv
They're yucky.
 
Yucky has hardly any definition
besides saying "I don't like beer" is kinda like saying "I don't like sodas"
there's just so many of them
 
software is like football. People fanatically shitpost about it without proper arguments.
 
I don't know how to use ssh in linux.
 
7:39 AM
and I am one of those fanatics.
 
I can do nothing without graphic interface.
 
sweet ones, bitter ones, light ones, dark ones, ones tasting deep like honey and other light with citrus flavours
 
@LiuHao you gotta start somewhere.
 
You just ssh into it, fire up tmux and fire vim up in one of tmux panes vOv
That's the basic idea.
:D
 
Try to use the terminal as much as you can
 
7:40 AM
ones that are thin as water and other which you can't see through
 
inb4 a beer flame war
 
@LiuHao start with basic tasks like file management
 
Does ssh mean all is code?
@khajvahThank you!
 
ssh = secure shell
 
@LiuHao ssh is acronym for "secure shell", which is a remote mean of access. What you probably mean is "system shell", which, indeed, is typically some form of code. There are different shells available, though, and some (like FISH - Friendly Interactive SHell) are more intutitive to use.
 
7:41 AM
@BartekBanachewicz he's just confused because everyone's telling him advanced stuff
 
@BartekBanachewicz Accessing a VM via ssh does qualify as remote access.
 
@FlorianMargaine true.
 
nah "advanced"
 
@Griwes it's not advanced when you know it :P
 
you can setup an amazon ec2 instance and play with it remotely
 
7:42 AM
@khajvah you can lift your applicatives into arbitrary levels of your monad stack
 
I will install Ubuntu as a second system on my computer and try to learn to use linux.
 
that should be enough of Haskell to let you write a game
 
true
 
And why is linux better for programming?
 
It's not objectively better.
 
7:43 AM
It's different.
Let's not back to the place we were minutes ago.
 
@LiuHao it's not necessarily better. It's just that many programmers prefer it, for many reasons.
 
@Griwes bc windows sucks
 
@LiuHao Because it's what makes a lot of noise, by programmers using Linux.
 
23 secs ago, by Griwes
Let's not back to the place we were minutes ago.
 
enough of this BS
 
7:44 AM
@LiuHao Well since nobody's giving you any of their true reasons
 
lol
 
OK. Thank u all!
 
user1804599
TIL polar bear liver is toxic.
 
@LiuHao Linux seems to be more convenient to find programming "packages" that you need to develop
 
@rightfold well that's good to know, that will be useful next time I go hunting
 
7:45 AM
@rightfold my liver is toxic too from too much alcohol
 
It often comes with package managers by default to help you manage versions of code and easily get new ones for new libraries
 
user1804599
It contains too much vitamin A.
 
@VermillionAzure wat?
 
@rightfold Everything larger than our gastrointestinal track volume is toxic, and I think polar bear livers are.
 
@khajvah ...
 
7:45 AM
@VermillionAzure And yet none of the package managers really solved dependency hell yet.
 
I am learning C++ for two months because I want develop a GUI software about Financial Econometrics using QT.
 
user1804599
Install Maven.
 
@Griwes Also it is much easier to manage getting new utilities and software
 
Try to build something requiring glib newer by 0.1 than the one you have currently installed.
"Sorry sir no can do."
Nix might be onto something.
 
@Griwes ikr
 
7:46 AM
But I'd have to try to work with it for a moment to really tell.
 
@LiuHao Then you might consider taking a look at QTCreator IDE.
 
zypper is good
pacman is good too
 
@Griwes +1
 
Sure. apt-get and dpkg are also good(ish)
But they still don't allow you to have multiple versions of important stuff.
 
Apt is not so bad. I've been diving in it lately, and it has much more features than I thought.
 
7:47 AM
I had some trouble with apt-get but I was noob at that time so it doesn't count
 
apt-get is fine
 
Aside of Nix, RHEL is probably the closest to how it should look like, with some of its mechanisms
 
npm also vague reminds me of apt-get and stuff
 
inb4 package manager flamewar
 
inb4 a flame war flame war
 
7:48 AM
Well, I learned about apt-pinning last week, so there's that
 
I don't believe in the one true package manager
 
@Griwes I tried to use RHEL and then found out their repo doesn't include even python3
gave up
 
@VermillionAzure but then again you've never heard of nix
 
@BartekBanachewicz time to google
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think Nix does everything correctly.
 
7:49 AM
The only thing more annoying than long-time linux fanatics is short-time linux fanatics
 
@BartekBanachewicz nix is not really for desktop usage tho
 
user1804599
 
@Griwes that's actually not the point
my personal gripe is that people who discovered linux yesterday and somehow feel so blasted by they smartiness that they can now educate all windows users how lame they are and how haxxor linux is
I admit to being such an ass too.
But that was fucking years ago.
I hate ghosts from the pasts.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's me with lisp
 
7:51 AM
Using terminal, thinking they are hackers. Indeed there are many such users
 
@BartekBanachewicz I kind of believe that software should be kind of more tightly integrated. So, the build systems should know compilers, and compilers should know about the build systems. Package managers should know about build systems, and build systems should know about package managers. And so on, and so on.
 
@FlorianMargaine OH LISSSSSSSSPPP
 
It's definitely not easy to achieve.
 
@Griwes ~Cabal~
 
But I want to try to get somewhere around that.
 
7:52 AM
@VermillionAzure Common Lisp, not AutoLISP :P
 
ironically, Cabal knows about compiler and since it's a build system too
 
@BartekBanachewicz I might've not been clear enough. System package managers. Unless there's a distro using Cabal as such? :D
 
@Griwes that's against UNIX philosophy but who cares?
 
@Griwes God help us I hope not
 
@khajvah I don't give a shit about the Unix philosophy.
 
7:52 AM
But I really think Cabal as it stands is really useful
 
@BartekBanachewicz Plus it doesn't exactly deal with dependency hell, no?
 
@Griwes whistles. That's what Stackage tries to do.
 
@Griwes install windows! :P
 
dependencies should fall on the developer's part
 
7:54 AM
Ubuntu tries to deal with dependency hell in future releases... but in a terribly wrong way
 
how?
 
user1804599
Portage master race.
 
@VermillionAzure I want to state them in my build system's master file, ..., done.
 
@VermillionAzure yes I basically thrive solving all deps conflicts manually
 
@khajvah By creating complete bundles.
 
7:54 AM
so exciting
 
Packages with all required libs.
 
user1804599
Poor Bartek.
 
Welcome to Windows.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's not what i mean
 
@VermillionAzure then what did you mean?
 
7:55 AM
yeah that's windows's approach
 
What I mean is that there should at least be a basic report using some kind of utility
 
@VermillionAzure can you be more vague?
 
@VermillionAzure I could ideally also specify "this depends on package X, in git version 854352afcd".
 
this sentence means literally nothing
 
@BartekBanachewicz There are windows utilities to find DLLs and report dependencies
 
7:55 AM
oh guys. What do you think about gcc new release?
 
They tell you which DLLs they expect
 
"So build it for me automagically and install it together with all the other versions."
 
@VermillionAzure and?
 
That's what I'd like to have.
 
it's still largely something I don't care about
 
7:56 AM
@BartekBanachewicz can Cabal auto build, say, git versions of packages?
 
my Haskell binaries are 7MB in size OMG WHAT NOW
 
@BartekBanachewicz People make their own trouble. The space shuttle people have solved their problems apparently
 
Or you can only depend on released versions?
released/built
 
@BartekBanachewicz don't get near my <insert embedded system>
 
@Griwes The cabal itself doesn't bundle/use git, but if you clone manually, you can build from local clone and install as if it was dled from Hackage
 
Ell
7:57 AM
@rightfold hilarious
 
also, why the hell is XP still the best OS?
or 7
 
who says it is?
 
why oh why does 8.1 have to be so damn slow
 
Ell
@VermillionAzure it's not
 
ok I'm plonking Vermillion at this point
 
7:58 AM
@VermillionAzure It's not slow at all
 
@BartekBanachewicz ah ah ah
 
there's just so much bs I can take before my coffee and that's this limit
 
This is Cinch right now speaking
He'll go away when he's done
 
@BartekBanachewicz Okay. So that's the step I'd like to take. Tell the build system where the package is and what version (or git hash) you need; when you try to build, it asks the package manager to grab that, bundle it, install... done.
@BartekBanachewicz that's not a bad idea
 
Ell
I am looking forward to that new dependency manager
I forgot what it's called
 
7:59 AM
@Griwes But what about people that don't use Git?..
i.e. SVN
 
Ell
let me see
 
or Mercurial
 
or darcs
lol jk
 
@Griwes Well, cabal files have a "repository" field in them, so you could probably write a plugin. I don't see much value in getting packages basing on git commits. For development/hacking I don't really mind to clone manually; for prod/releases, I want to make use of the broadest deps I can to avoid costly installs.
 
user1804599
> not Git
> i.e. SVN
 
7:59 AM
have you ever used darcs?
 

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