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6:00 PM
o_0 I should probably use that oven I heated up
 
fun fact: I'm actually more productive without internet than with
thanks to distractions >.<
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ergh... that gap
 
@Jefffrey So much that you bring it up.
 
user784668
@orlp obvious
 
@thecoshman Is the point!
 
6:01 PM
"I care about this so little that I have to tell you how much I don't care."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why would you do that though :\ it's just not worth it
 
pub time bitch
 
@thecoshman Worth what?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Relax relax
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Two oranges?
 
6:01 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Caring about X and caring about people knowing whether you care about X, are orthogonal.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that gap...
 
@EtiennedeMartel So this illogical statement is one of my pet hates.
 
You guys ever sign up for mailing lists then never check them and have like hundreds of emails in your gmail as a result
 
I think I have 600 unread emails from Qt's mailing lists... god damnit
What do you use?
 
6:02 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Your lips move but I can't hear what you say
This is not how I am
 
@Pris noo... if I start to get annoyed by a maillist, I un sub, or get angry that I can't and then filter it to the bin.
 
@thecoshman lol
 
@thecoshman What about it?
I don't put windows straddling the screen boundaries, and I don't understand why you would want to.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why?
@R.MartinhoFernandes nor do I, but I wouldn't be able to cope with that gap
 
Nov 29 '14 at 16:55, by Jefffrey
jesus christ, I'd like to die with "the great gig in the sky" play in the background
 
6:07 PM
@thecoshman Why?
 
*playing
 
I like as little bezel/air between the actual screen as possible
 
@thecoshman That's pointless if you're not going to have content straddling it
I don't drag windows between screens either. Does that make you feel better?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I find it really un pleasing to have screen disjointed lie that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's exactly how many digits of pi I can remember. Anything beyond that would be useless, anyway, because double cannot store more than that.
 
6:09 PM
(as seen on The Oatmeal's Facebook feed)
 
Oha ohaha oooo oooooh oh OH OH aawww ho ho .... uuuu...
 
@FredOverflow 3.14 good enough
 
3.141592
 
user784668
π = 1
 
> I'm not frightened of dying. Any time will do, I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it, you gotta go sometime.
 
6:13 PM
ergh... my fizzy drink has lost it's fizz :(
@Jefffrey I'll just presume as that is something about death it's related to tp
 
Are you drunk? I have no idea what you just said.
 
Vicious fish delish
(I'd like some fish right now)
(hmmmm)
 
food time :D
 
@Jefffrey Death by strangulation with toilet paper.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the late terry
who I'm sure would be commenting on how he has impeccable timing
 
user784668
6:18 PM
Terry? John Terry died?
 
wogan
 
I'd put that in my mouth.
 
@thecoshman He was strangled with toilet paper?
@EtiennedeMartel You're so baiting for "what she said", aren't you?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes was he?
 
6:26 PM
Your sense-o-meter is dangerously low, cosh.
 
@Jefffrey Not enough fish.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The price of fish is unreasonably high recently though.
 
You're living on an island. How is that possible?
 
@EtiennedeMartel We already ate all the fish.
 
inb4 "so long, and thanks..."
 
6:31 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I wondered how long.. :)
 
@Fanael The Discworld guy
 
user784668
@FredOverflow ikr
 
Not that I have read any of his stuff.
 
user784668
me neither
 
Dicsworld
(I'm sure this has never been done ever)
 
6:39 PM
@MartinJames sad but true :\
 
I forgot how to write emails
Do I end with "Regards"... or ... "Sincerely"
oh man
 
@Jefffrey Ugh, exploitation.
 
@Pris I usually go with "Sincerely"
 
Interesting report about SSD life. @Mysticial: Looks like perhaps a few could at least potentially survive being used for Pi calculations (for a while).
 
@Pris kthxbye
 
6:40 PM
@Pris neither, it's an email :\
@JerryCoffin about an hour maybe
 
@thecoshman I know, right? I'm just gonna sign off with my name
screw formalities
 
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@Pris I usually go with nothing at all
 
@thecoshman Looks like quite a bit longer than that (at least for some of them).
 
@EtiennedeMartel I reached a point in that game where it wanted me to drop... was it Napalm? On the other guys. I wouldn't do it, so I died. I haven't been motivated since to go and try to beat it without the Napalm since. It's been a good two months now.
 
@Fanael That message could be pretty funny with the wrong context
 
6:41 PM
@caps It's white phosphorous.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Right, that.
 
And, congratulations, you won.
Because with Spec Ops, the only winning move is not to play.
 
@JerryCoffin yeah I read the article, it still isn't going to last long for him, but might be worth while
 
@EtiennedeMartel Like that famous Tetris AI that paused the game right before game over :-D
 
I wonder if they're going to shut down the qt-project website altogether including the mailing lists ;__;
I wondered why they had to go and redesign everything but then I read that they hired a designer
 
6:43 PM
@Pris Is Qt going to die?
 
@FredOverflow No, its just being commercialized more aggressively. I think the redesign is to attract hipster mobile devs
They even want to make QtCreator ugly :[
 
@EtiennedeMartel I wanted to play through it after reading the reviews, you know, to get the experience they all talk about.
 
it looks nice
Qt Creator was ugly.
 
@Rapptz The only thing they've changed is making the icons and menus flat
 
not only that
 
6:46 PM
@caps Well, it's a deconstruction of military shooters, especially Call of Duty. It's not that interesting by itself.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, the gameplay is not.
I agree with that for sure.
 
The things you do in Spec Ops (and feel bad for doing), you also do them in other similar games.
 
Looks nearly identical to my version of creator except everything is flat. They got rid of the menu bar too, because who uses those anymore
 
evening fellows
 
So why don't you feel bad in those other games? Is it because the shooting is fun enough for you to overlook that?
 
6:47 PM
I RDPed into my home machine from the swamp.
 
Anyway, I played Spec Ops, and then I played the Medal of Honor 2010 reboot, and I felt insulted by that game.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Spec Ops is somewhat a hyperbole of those other games.
 
In a way, Spec Ops trained me to spot the bullshit in military shooters, and now I can't enjoy them the way I used to.
Maybe it's because they all want to be taken seriously, and I can't because it's so ridiculous.
 
you needed Spec Ops to point it out to you?
 
Sometimes you need a slap in the face.
 
6:50 PM
then again it's been years since I played the single-player campaigns of any of those games
 
The breaking point in MoH was when they wanted me to drop smart bombs on old soviet-era tanks in the middle of the desert.
 
depends on who those tanks are about to run over
 
There was no indication of that.
It's all "those are bad guys, shoot them"
It has all the moral depth and complexity of cowboys vs indians.
Reminded me of that Mitchell and Webb sketch.
 
You know, "are we the baddies?"
 
6:53 PM
heh
well some real-world conflicts can be that way, like IS vs the world
 
Anyway, my point is: if you want me to take your fucking plot seriously, then you have to meet me half way.
You can't have all the subtlety and self control of Michael Bay and think I'll see you as the next Schindler's List or something.
 
@Etienne it is not a soldier's task to make those decisions.
 
who wants to make the next Schindler's List?
 
You choose that when you sign up.
 
I certainly don't want to play the next Schindler's List.
 
6:56 PM
Soldiers face all kinds of moral dilemnas in their work. But you, as a player, do not.
For starter, on a virtual battlefield, there are no civilians.
There is no friendly fire.
 
Are you talking about the morality issues of playing FPSs?
 
depends on the virtual battlefield
 
I'm talking about the morality issues of a game that claims to be "serious" and "realistic" but only is in the graphical department.
 
You choose to be a cog in the machine. If those games make you feel like that, I can't blame them.
 
I like over the top cheese fests. What I don't like is when they try to masquerade as serious business because "True Art is Angsty" or something.
 
6:58 PM
moral dilemmas are hardly the only possible topic of serious note
 
If you want to be deep and dark and edgy, sure. But that implies you drop the teenage power trip route and take a more subtle approach.
 
Or not. You can easily be both.
 
Considering that most of those who tried ended up failing, I don't see that as "easy".
Usually it just ends up being unfocused and weird.
 
Apparently you only realized that after Spec Ops.
 
Hey, I'm learning.
 
7:01 PM
You need to review your definition of failure.
 
It's easier to spot the mistakes once you become skilled enough to identify them.
 
Your expectations simply changed.
 
Being the soldier is not a very good way to be forced to make moral decisions about who you are killing. You should be the generals, away the battle field. Having reports of your men dying, reports of sergeants doing those hard missions well, except for the civilian losses. Having to make tough decisions to send your best guys, guys who have been with you from the start and served you well, send them on what is clearly a suicide mission.
 
That's not a good way either because it distances you from the decisions.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Come to think of it, that's exactly what happened.
 
7:03 PM
Shooters are by their nature fast, and fast does not really let the weight of decisions sink in. You can't think about the consequences if you don't have time to think.
 
The war machine is built in a way that tries to minimize those things. It would not work otherwise.
 
War is dehumanizing by design, yes.
 
you're dehumanizing by design
 
@EtiennedeMartel oh yeah, I think most people play for the fantasy. I want the bodies to explode with gote, big guns and flashy shit :D
 
Instead of shooting at each other, couldn't countries at War organize Quake matches or something to determine the winner?
 
7:04 PM
@FredOverflow You want Korea to rule the world?
 
Well, they could rule The World Of Warcraft for all I care.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ... depends which one really...
 
north korea can't afford Quake
 
@thecoshman Reminds me. I went into Bulletstorm thinking it'll be just that. But whenever a cutscene starts it gets all edgy and angsty and shit.
 
@Puppy but lord tubby did invent it.
@EtiennedeMartel cutscene => no thanks
 
7:06 PM
And I look at the main character and I'm like "who are you and what have you done with the guy I'm controlling?"
 
if I wanted to watch a story, I'd watch a film
time for some bsg
 
It's like the protagonist is two different characters, either a rude Duke Nukem-like motherfucker in gameplay or a soppy broken bird looking for redemption in cutscenes.
Not that you can't have both.
 
@thecosh TBG?
 
But it's not handled particularly well, and it ends up getting quite jarring.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o_0 sure why not?
 
7:08 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ISTR that people said the same thing about Tomb Raider
 
It's like two different teams worked on the two bits with no contact between each other.
 
Maybe I'll bring mine to the unconference.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes tbg? turn based game?
 
The board game.
 
7:09 PM
i heard a lot about that
 
It's great.
 
I'm great.
 
oh no, the show
season one still
I don't watch it often enough :P
 
or keep track of where I am :(
 
7:11 PM
that's a pretty epic fail
 
Yeah, they'll definitely sing about that for centuries to come.
 
@JerryCoffin I've done that calculation before. A disk-bound Pi calculation would sustain 100% write about 1/3 of the time. Assuming 500 MB/s, that's 2000 seconds for a TB. Most SSDs drop out after about 1 PB. So we're talking 6 million seconds of run-time - or about 69 days before an SSD will fail.
 
@Jefffrey lol?! Feminists these days are insane.
@Mysticial But that is only if you have exactly one?
 
hi nerds
 
@Mysticial but how much faster would it be?
 
7:17 PM
ye gods I'm tired
 
I just barely managed the kids into bed
 
wait - is that a bug? looks like the absense of game logic
 
@wilx The speed scales up with the # of devices. So it cancels out in the end. If you have 10 SSDs, the I/O will be 10x faster, and they'll all die at the same time. (if we assume they die exactly at 1PB just to simplify the math)
@thecoshman 1 SSD will be probably be about 5 HDs in bandwidth.
 
IO will be 10% faster at most, unless you had rubbish SSDs or it was already in a giant PCI lane (I dunno - I was assuming consumer grade hardware/commodity server)
 
7:23 PM
@sehe PCIe is enough. They're meant to handle video - which is more than enough for a few GB/s of I/O.
I can get up to 1 GB/s over 8 hard drives over a single PCIe slot. (limited by the HDs themselves)
 
@Mysticial you have pci ssds? or is that multiple satas on pci bus?
 
@sehe SATA cards that plug into PCIe.
 
@JohanLarsson That laugh
 
@Mysticial swottament :)
@thecoshman damn. The keming is strong with that. IRTA "clam"
 
7:33 PM
@JohanLarsson subtitles are a lie
:v
I thought it was a comedy short
 
@Rapptz I can't tell
 
@Cinch does machine code count as a weird format?
@Rapptz it's a meme. coming meme maybe
It's like all the hitler parody clips. But this time someone who happens to be overly cheerful about something
 
They're usually in the form of "SHOCKING interview with..."
 
Interesting API design pattern right there: DijkstraWizard
 
Oh that's C++.
Thought it was Java for some reason.
 
7:42 PM
Documentation style. Cuddafooledme
 
a wizard did it
 
@Rapptz mostly I don't look in the mirror. But if I do. I see me.
 
7:59 PM
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alrighty
 
@sehe good lord!
 
A Range<int> should probably be convertible to Range<const int>. How is this normally implemented? Via constructor? Or conversion operator on the Rand<int>?
Not sure how to deal with Range<T> where T is a const.
 
I actually have a use for std::quoted.
Assuming it works with input streams.
GCC 4.9 seems to have it..
I guess I'll use C++14 instead of C++11.
 
That's useful.
 
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Hi folks!
 
8:15 PM
This is ridiculous.
Are those people for real?
 
The word "feminist" sure gets thrown around a lot.
 
I'm feeling famineish.
So hungry.
 
@StackedCrooked Yep
 
@StackedCrooked Same! I have to prepare something. Started to soak the used pan and dishes now :-P ...
 
@Rapptz I'm reminded that it took me half a weekend to figure out the escaping algorithm.
Nested escaping quickly leads to explosive growth in size.
a, b, c
a\, b\, c
a\\\, b\\\, c
a\\\\\\\, b\\\\\\\, c
a\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\, b\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\, c
a\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\, b\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\, c
It's crazy.
This is why I like uriencoding. It removes the non-allowed character and replaces them. This is much better nestable.
 
8:35 PM
escaping is so annoying and meta
 
Big Bang was actually a recursive escaping program gone mad.
Yeah.
I guess triggered the invention of RLE.
But percent encoding is just lovely from a programming pov.
 
@Mysticial Not sure if you read it, but in their test, one of them lasted for ~2.2 PB.
 
Alright gonna use C++14.
too lazy to make my own std::quoted.
 
You should use C++1y
 
I find it odd that of all C++14 things this made me switch.
@StackedCrooked I don't think -std=c++14 is supported! good point
 
8:45 PM
Switching compilers because you need string quoting. Lol.
 
Actually it works for my current compiler (GCC 4.9)
 
@Rapptz It is supported.
Actually, I meant to refer to the c++17 code
 
it is
That's C++1z.
 
What are they gonna take after that?
C++2x?
 
@Rapptz what happened now, and why?
 
8:49 PM
@sehe Nothing, it was just a repost.
 
and opinion :S
@StackedCrooked actually, escaping is not hard. It's exactly what that obnoxious "don't do refcounted smartpointers/they're dumb" guy said: the only thing that's hard about memory management escaping, is knowing when to de-allocate unescape.
Now IME the only reason that's hard is, because it's not automatic! Just, like with RAII, codify it in your types.
Of course as long as we keep using "string" for everything that we have lying around, of course we're going to trip and get confused
 
Yeah codifying it in the type system is cool.
Basically offloading the algorithm to the type system.
 
@StackedCrooked constructor. As with iterators. Of course it's best if the library anticipates that constructors can be explicit, it knows to ask for the conversion. No fuzzies, just "hey, gimme the const version of that iterator"
@StackedCrooked Hmm. I'm not sure I follow, or that it makes sense. The algorithm is trivial. (Just need to decide what to do with pending escape chars at EOI and things like that). It's just that knowing what to process, when it's precisely what types are good at:
Types tell you "you can pass this here", "you can mix these types of string producers here". Or even "if you have all like-kinded/moded/affected texts, we can optimize this overload for you"
 

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