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2:00 PM
Then Risk taught me that winning all the time is no fun.
Or that I needed smarter flatmates.
 
settlers of catan masterrace
very fun as well
 
Dixit masterrace
I have to buy my own copy of dixit
 
actually I might look up a table top gaming club here in Leiden
 
but the expansions are expensive
 
@BartekBanachewicz pleb, go play magic
 
2:02 PM
@orlp pff
 
the amount of money magic players dump into cards is insane
 
@orlp Dixit isn't a TCG
 
I honestly wonder if they're lacking a common sense gene
 
it just has expansions
 
@orlp It is a sickness
 
2:02 PM
@orlp Diplomacy > Machiavelli
@orlp Diplomacy > anything, though.
Diplomacy > friendship.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes different machiavelli
I ALWAYS lose at voting/backstabbing type games I play with friends
like the werewolf game
The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow it's called in english?
 
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A: Why does C++ not have reflection?

MordachaiAll languages should not try to incorporate every feature of every other language. C++ is essentially a very, very sophisticated macro assembler. It is NOT (in a traditional sense) a high-level language like C#, Java, Objective-C, Smalltalk, etc. It is good to have different tools for differ...

this answer is great
 
either way, in all of those games every one of my friends always jumps and kills me first
 
@orlp my wallet would probably claim this... (and I'm just a casual player).
 
because they know I'm way too hard to play against =/
 
2:05 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit actualyl not
you can introduce reflection to C++ in a way of a preprocessing compilation stage
 
are you guys familiar with the werewolf game?
 
where you're either a werewolf or citizen and blablabla
like, if the wolves see I'm not a wolf they always kill me
 
yeah we're all geeks and nolife's
 
I think I never played that sober.
 
2:07 PM
if I survive the night the people always choose me because the wolves would've killed me
 
@orlp not played it but I assume it's like Mafia or BSG
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees yeah mafia it is
I basically get to have fun with mafia with unknown people for a couple of rounds
then I might as well AFK
 
user1804599
How do loop invariants work with break statements, throw statements, return statements and goto statements?
 
user1804599
Are they checked before said statements?
 
user1804599
Or are they not?
 
2:08 PM
Are you just like, too nice to play it properly?
 
@BartekBanachewicz what
 
@райтфолд the loop invariant is true at the start of every iteration
 
I keep meaning to get Elite Whatsit
 
if flow of control aborts the loop, the invariant doesn't have to hold
@TheForestAndTheTrees what do you mean?
 
@райтфолд Um have you never used a for loop mate
 
2:09 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well depends if you want the type information in runtime or compile time
 
@orlp Have you tried One Night Ultimate Werewolf?
 
user1804599
@orlp Also at the end.
 
@райтфолд no
 
@BartekBanachewicz Something tells me you don't know what Reflection is.
 
user1804599
Otherwise you'd run into trouble with the last iteration.
 
2:09 PM
@райтфолд only at the beginning
 
@orlp BSG is the best btw.
Actually the only game I have rated 10 on BGG.
 
user1804599
> A loop invariant is a condition that is necessarily true immediately before and immediately after each iteration of a loop. (Note that this says nothing about its truth or falsity part way through an iteration.)
 
@orlp Yes, it is.
 
quoting random websites is top kek
 
looks like I'm wrong
nevermind
 
2:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well, I am not sure what reflection is for you then
 
@orlp It's not very useful for proofs if it doesn't hold right after the loop.
 
user1804599
I suppose breaks, continues, throws, returns and gotos can end iterations.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Business Strategy Game, Battlestar Galactica?
 
@orlp those types of games are very reliant of roleplaying / bluffing. I'm kinda crap at them myself
 
user3010322
They've literally never published an HLSL specification.
 
user3010322
2:11 PM
How do these people get away with this.
 
@orlp Latter.
 
@BartekBanachewicz The same as it is for everybody else in the world except you, apparently.
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees I'm way too good for my own good
 
2:11 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so? what is it for you?
 
@райтфолд I would expect those things to terminate the entire loop, where the maintenance of loop invariants is part of the loop and their checks are thus also cancelled
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean "so"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes never played it
 
It's great both thematically and mechanically.
 
@BartekBanachewicz The same as it is for everyone else.
In computer science, reflection is the ability of a computer program to examine (see type introspection) and modify the structure and behavior (specifically the values, meta-data, properties and functions) of the program at runtime. == §Historical background == The earliest computers were programmed in their native assembly language, which were inherently reflective as these original architectures could be programmed by defining instructions as data and using self-modifying code. As programming moved to higher-level languages such as C, this reflective ability disappeared (outside of malware) until...
 
And it's semi-coop, which is my favourite genre.
 
2:12 PM
So asking about "compile-time reflection with the preprocessor" is just stupid
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Traitor.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you can introduce run-time type information with a preprocessor. I've never said anything about compile-time reflection introduced that way.
 
Xeo
Always.
 
user1804599
Sooooo I had this idea.
 
@райтфолд
 
2:13 PM
@orlp dude what the FUCK
@BartekBanachewicz Now read all of the answers on the question I originally linked you to.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 4chan
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've read them.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, you did
 
@Pris double penetration; is missing.
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well depends if you want the type information in runtime or compile time
 
2:14 PM
@Xeo I have been human in the last ten or so games I played.
 
@BaummitAugen submit it
 
(Won probably eight of those)
 
@orlp NOT funny.
 
Turns out I am really good at identifying Cylons (takes one to know one?)
 
2:15 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I said "you can introduce reflection as a separate stage" and then "everything depends whether you want compile time reflection or runtime reflection"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought it was pretty funny
 
> Funny C/C++ declarations!
 
@BartekBanachewicz I literally just posted the quote that shows you said something different
 
> C/C++
...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, it doesn't. You're misunderstanding what I said and meant.
 
2:15 PM
@milleniumbug Seems ok in that context.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're misquoting yourself. You're strawmanning yourself. That's amazing.
 
@райтфолд why did you change your name to р̳̆̾̇̏͗а̝̲͕̘̮̺ͩ̑̑̓͡ͅй͏̳͔̬̯͍̖т̜̫̮͇̣̲ͨͫ͞ф̦͎̘͖̭́̄о̹̮̰̭̇̉̒̀͘л̤̘ͮ̍͜д̣̤̗̪̞͎̤͑͆͐̾̀?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
user1804599
@orlp lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, I'm not. I knew perfectly well what I wanted to say and I said that, but you misunderstood it.
 
2:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz You failed to say what you meant to say. You later pretended you'd said something else.
 
user1804599
for i in -10..10
invariant i in -10..10
 
user1804599
:[
 
@orlp "pantoona" sounds better than "rytfold".
@райтфолд There are both useful and useless invariants.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's, again, wrong.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes :P
 
2:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Sigh.
plonk again
 
Let's try this again. Only people with a modicum of logical sense need reply.
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A: Why does C++ not have reflection?

MordachaiAll languages should not try to incorporate every feature of every other language. C++ is essentially a very, very sophisticated macro assembler. It is NOT (in a traditional sense) a high-level language like C#, Java, Objective-C, Smalltalk, etc. It is good to have different tools for differ...

this answer is great
 
it it just me or is lrio particularly annoying lately
compared to usual, I mean
 
I want better compile-time type introspection
 
@milleniumbug I feel like Concepts Lite fill most of my needs in that particular arena
 
2:18 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit by the same logic you can call any compiled language a macro assembler
 
@orlp Slightly altered logic, I think
It's true that he's picked a particular threshold of abstraction for his terminology, and you're free to pick a different one
I happen to like his one though
 
I find it fairly useless
 
I think it fits C++'s core values, aims and general design intent
 
C++ core value is "you don't pay for what you don't use", it just happens that a "macro assembler" is a good way to implement that
 
@orlp Well I find your raging anti-semitism to be "fairly useless".
 
2:20 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit am I disparaging the jews?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lolwut?
 
LRIO is butthurt over a.pomf.se/xtoqil.webm
(on starboard)
 
@orlp Dude. You posted a video of a virtual footballer named "Jews" whose entire head consisted of a giant nose, scoring a goal before being jumped upon by several other footballers dressed as SS officers. You said you found it funny.
So, yes, you are disparaging the Jews and pissing on those who have lost family members due to such attitudes.
 
Oh. I missed that.
 
yes, the ridiculous stereotype modded into a videogame was funny
 
2:22 PM
See, just like GTA makes people murderers, you are now going to become a Nazi.
You just don't know it yet.
 
and fuck off, I've lost pretty much my entire mother's side of the family to the nazis, so don't play that card
 
That makes it worse, not better.
 
I'm not offended
 
Great for you! Doesn't mean other people who have lost their entire father's side of the family are not either.
"Someone killed my Uncle last year, but I didn't like him so I don't mind. Therefore, despite the fact that I just murdered your dog you should shut up and be okay with it."
If I play Elite, will I become an astronaut?
 
"Antisemitism (also spelled Anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group."
 
2:24 PM
hmmm
 
You need to seperate stereotypes from prejudice, hadred and discrimination.
 
And you need to stop normalising displays of racial hatred.
 
in what way is racial hatred displayed?
 
Sigh.
See, this level of ignorance is why we can't have nice things any more :(
 
or you can answer the question
 
2:26 PM
What game was it, anyway?
 
FIFA
 
I can't answer the question without spending four days teaching you the very basics of an ethical morality.
You don't pay me enough to correct your mindset.
@orlp Fucking Ignorant Footballers, Alright?
:D
 
also whoever starred lrio's post about me strawmanning myself is a pool, crushed human being who must be as self centered as the post author
 
Android Studio has a kinda really nice feature where when you mouse over an icon the status bar tells you what the hell it does
 
Good thing we have LRiO to show us his ways.
 
2:29 PM
I wish more applications did that
 
lrio's picking on people just to show his perceived superiority, and if you find it funny you're as pathetic and disgusting as him
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you make any more of those BSG tabletop props? (or wtv those are called)
 
I don't know how you can mistake humor involving stereotypes or bizarre situations for racial hatred
4
 
@orlp Maybe its the context in posting something that's from 4chan and referencing /pol/ of all places. Have you ever been there?
 
@StackedCrooked You are honoured indeed!
 
2:31 PM
@Pris the context of the clip is a 4chan tournament, the FIFA team is the team representing /pol/
@Pris it's humor
 
So, who is the strawman again?
 
I'm aware of what the 4chan cup is
 
user1804599
OK so.
 
@orlp It's not funny anyway
 
user1804599
let mutable result: { invariant sorted?(this) } := seq()
 
2:32 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not "picking on" anyone. I pointed out serious logical flaws in what you were saying. And now you're so butthurt over it you're calling me "pathetic and disgusting" which seems somewhat hypocritical, really! But, carry on. I hope you're enjoying yourself! Cheers & hth.
Also funny that you keep talking about me even when you think I can't read it. Obsessed, much?
I on the other hand am proud to declare that I am obsessed with all of you. Well, maybe Kitty not so much...
 
@EtiennedeMartel inb4 it's called Ramulus
> While I am not at all an expert on driver matters (and actually sucked at my job, to be honest), I did learn a lot about what games look like from the perspective of a driver and kernel.
lol
 
@Borgleader You mean the painted miniatures?
 
@EtiennedeMartel great read
 
Hello @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
2:34 PM
Hi @Aniket how are you today
 
not good
 
@Borgleader I need to apply the last touches (red visors on Cylons, etc; those things require a lot of care because they're so smal) to the last ones and then the finish coat.
 
i am facing some issue
 
I'll post a picture with all of them when done.
 
user1804599
Great.
 
2:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yo, I just started watching BSG
 
user1804599
I wrote a sorting function that only works for inputs that are already sorted.
 
@райтфолд Technically, it works.
I mean, the output is sorted.
 
@Pris I'm talking about the board game.
 
@Pris Everyone dies
 
oh... and oh :[
 
2:37 PM
but out thought never die
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lies "having to say this" (nope) "on 80% of new Stack Overflow C++ questions" (nope)
 
Hmm, PuTTY doesn't support SSH fingerprints in DNS.
 
@orlp okay. we've seen it now
 
what in the fresh hell is wrong with all these anti vaccine people
 
2:39 PM
@Pris lol
> Stefan Lanka, who believes the illness is psychosomatic
 
Many people believe cancer is psychosomatic. Then they die a horrible and painful death because they never had any treatment.
 
but measles presents visible symptoms
that you can likely test for actual virii
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel That was interesting! Have a star.
 
> He's apparently a virologist with a PhD. He also claims HIV and Ebola are a fraud
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no irony. at all
 
2:42 PM
@Pris It's all in your head bro.
all.
 
@Pris I say his condition is psychosomatic
 
Oh my god when are you guys not up
 
@Cinch We're located at different areas in the world.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hey! I know. You have the kitty mind set! It's all about money after all
 
2:44 PM
yeah ik
it's just mind boggling how it's always busy
if I stayed up 24 hours I could be on SO non stop
 
@sehe are you stuck in a time machine?
@sehe you always reply to random messages so late :D
 
@orlp with the right motivation
 
@Cinch Well, we are the best chatroom on SO, after all.
 
@orlp I don't continuously lurk. It's mini breaks
 
@EtiennedeMartel ...Except I can't get web help here
Soo sad :(
 
2:45 PM
@Cinch Did you read all the rules?
 
@Cinch No contradiction at all
 
@Cinch sure you can
 
Well then I'll fire away
My startup is looking for a CRM/web host right now
 
as long as you treat it as asking mates for help rather than as a helpdesk, and as long as you ignore Puppy, Cat, rightfold and Bartek, you'll be fine
 
Says who
 
2:46 PM
We want a more web-appy feel to the site so that we can implement scheduling and forms and e-commerce and etc.
 
@sehe maybe I'm too innocent to associate racial humor with hatred =/
oh and you have to plonk me
 
I have no time to do something myself because midterms and finals and scholarships at risk, oh boy.
 
I'm very sleepy
 
Oh and company and projects too
 
inb4 flag
 
2:47 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae 3edgy5me
 
@EtiennedeMartel wot 48 stars
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's linked in the rules.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I admit the first time I watched that I just thought. "What the hell does the guy have a fuck face for". And I noticed it somehow had something to do with "Jews". I was, frankly, waiting for an explosion or something since it was a response to the "Not the ISIS you expect" [sic] message
 
I mean, unless any of you knw op amps or something I don't think any of you can help with that (I better go to the EE SE)
 
@orlp don't get me wrong; I know the difference between joking around stereotypes and actually hating someone based on their race. but posting a video like that just makes it easier for actual hate to spread (remember, you're doing so in public), and finding it funny is suspicious :)
 
2:47 PM
@orlp huh
 
@Cinch welp, we do
 
@ParkYoung-Bae damn too quick
 
@BartekBanachewicz Alright.
Fine.
 
as a collective brainpower lounge is able to run a small town
2
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're slow
 
2:48 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae yah
 
hihi objectivistic thoughts again
 
AFAIK one guy has me on plonk
 
Oh. Aha. That was a room owners perk
 
the one with the anime character avatar
 
Given an inverting op amp with its feeding negative terminal voltage split between a capacitor and a resistor, what is the expected output voltage of the op amp?
 
2:49 PM
forgot his name
 
@orlp so?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hello, jalf.
(hihi)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no
 
@EtiennedeMartel Mate that hurts :(
 
2:49 PM
Mysticial
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Cheers & hth - not 10 minutes ago
 
@ParkYoung-Bae ofc not me and mysticial are best buddies 4 lyfe
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not offended therefore it's fine.
 
Well, anyways
Does anyone have suggestions for web platforms?
 
@orlp That's ThePhD
 
2:50 PM
I can't roll one myself unforunately and I don't have the time anyways
 
user3010322
Wait what.
 
I was looking at Drupal and Wordpress
 
user3010322
No, that's Alex M and Mysticial.
 
2:50 PM
@Cinch both are absolutely shit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You 'cray 'cray, girl.
 
user3010322
My is a hand-drawn thingymahbobber.
 
you want a ready-made CMS?
 
Content Manglement System
 
2:50 PM
is static page generation acceptable?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nope
AlexM
 
@BartekBanachewicz I want flexible and so easy I can pass it off to someone else good.
 
has me on plonk
 
I don't care how it's done
 
@sehe dno annoys me
 
2:51 PM
We'll switch over to something better if we ever get enough money
All I need is basic functionality and a nice framework that makes for easy workflow
 
34 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
is static page generation acceptable?
 
@BartekBanachewicz You act like I know that you know that I know what you mean
2
 
@Cinch IRTA "piss it off"
 
@Cinch take a look at Jekyll then
 
Where is cosh from?
 
2:52 PM
quick! hyde!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nope, no statics sorry
 
@Jefffrey Numptyville
 
I need forms and e-commerce
 
@Jefffrey ireland
 
@Jefffrey But he pretends to live in Ireland
 
2:52 PM
@Jefffrey Oïrish.
 
I think he's English though
 
And databasing or at least form forwarding is needed
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
@Cinch well wordpress is the most shitty thing you can find.
 
2:53 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're just jealous.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's why I'm not looking for Wordpress for the website
 
I've used drupal briefly and it was painful
 
@BartekBanachewicz There's nothing else to use unless I go with Compact5 or something
 
Yes Wordpress is awful which is why it's got a huge market share and a large following of satisfied users.
 
But I want a standard set-up that's well-known
So I can easily transfer later
 
2:54 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And several security issues.
 
@EtiennedeMartel They all have several security issues.
Web CMSs are the devil
 
My point still stands.
 
@EtiennedeMartel What are they going to steal, the 13yearold blog of Hello World? (cough cough)
 
In isolation, yes. As a contribution to comparison, not really
 
They're going to steal all your Buttcoins.
 
2:55 PM
@Cinch I think it's more about gaining privileged access to your server
 
Right now I don't really care.
 
That's what everybody said, right before someone gained privileged access to their server
 
@Cinch a lot of wordpress sites serve actively in botnets
 
Do you guys think Drupal has all the features I need and is responsive?
 
ECDSA key fingerprint is 00:a0:cf:3e:73:d9:df:67:2f:1c:97:4c:4e:e9:0e:90.
+---[ECDSA 256]---+
|  ...            |
| .   .           |
|.     .    .   . |
| o     .  E   +  |
|  o     S  . * . |
| .   o      o *  |
|  + o .    . =   |
|   +   . .  = .  |
|        . .o o.  |
+-----------------+
Matching host key fingerprint found in DNS.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I still don't care unless it gets hacked and FI gets stolen
 
user3010322
Why do e-mails throw out things named .exe in zip files
 
@Cinch That possibility is precisely why you should care...
 
user3010322
2:56 PM
but then let me send it if I name it .ex
 
@ThePhD because DA VIRUSES
 
user1804599
They don't.
 
user1804599
Emails can't do anything.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it me or is that the VS logo?
 
@ThePhD It's probably to stop people from easily just opening it like grandmas and stuff
 
2:56 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :<
 
In other news, I finally have a SSD!
Oh happy days!
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
 
hah it totally is
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit But isn't he known to be bad at english?
 
you cannot escape
 
2:57 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fuck you. Gonna regenerate my keys.
 
Anyone have personal experience with Drupal and why it was good and bad?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Look at all the ® and the ™.
 
Also, how might I prepare my body for the release of Vulkan?
 
Don't they speak some form of english in ireland?
 
2:58 PM
@Cinch By drinking water and getting enough sleep.
 
@Cinch Meditate over Koh-li-nar for three months
 
@Cinch by learning everything about GL 4.5
 
Can I integrate a django project with any CMS?
 
@Jefffrey Yes...
 
@khajvah That sounds painful
 
2:58 PM
@Jefffrey You seem to be under the mistaken impression that everybody who lives in English-speaking countries is automatically any good at it.
 
Wordpress I hear is PHP and CSS front-facing only
 
Room topic changed to: Shitty web programming
 
@Jefffrey Nah, it's all Gaelic.
 
I mean they speak "some form of English" in India for fuck's sake
 
Anyways uhhhhhh Drupal anyone?
 
2:59 PM
just drup it
drup all of it
 
Drup the al.
 

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