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8:14 PM
We'll be badly attempting to stream some Carrotting Brain at steamcommunity.com/broadcast/watch/76561198031224169 if anyone's literally bored to death and would like us to help along
steamcommunity.com/app/404750/broadcasts if that link doesn't work I don't know computers
 
Ell
Oh HTML5 stream nice
 
>Your web browser does not support the minimum set of features required to watch this broadcast.
FF 42 :(
 
@CaptainGiraffe y u no Firefox 44
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Shuttleworth makes all my important software decisions.
 
@CaptainGiraffe How's a plane-related company relevant here
 
8:23 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь It's more Cannon related really
 
@CaptainGiraffe oh w/e
 
How does a cow present a threat to traffic safety
A cow's a cow
It... cows
 
mooooooooo
someone could hit the cow, but still no reason to shoot it
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Er, it jumps into traffic?
The same way a jaywalker does, essentially.
 
8:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh cum on
Cows are very calm animals
They walk
 
It's a scared animal on the highway.
 
> British Columbia
@набиячлэвэлиь They're heavy and if you crash into one, you're probably dead.
 
Still Canada
 
How's a cow on a road scared
 
Ell
jaywalking isn't bad :3
 
8:29 PM
@TonyTheLion I'll tell you, in the civilized parts of Canada we're quite alright.
 
Y'all got some sissy cows up there
 
Ell
cows are frickin massive m9
 
@EtiennedeMartel you mean you don't let your cows on the road?
 
(compare: India)
 
8:30 PM
cows on the road are dumb
they don't move
 
(compare: countrysides of all fucking countries with reasonable amount of farming)
 
It's like if you hit a moose.
You're dead.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь That's countryside roads, not highways.
Highways are freaky, man.
 
Not even Saint Jean le Baptiste will save your sorry ass.
 
@TonyTheLion Cow meat :3
 
8:31 PM
A moose Is a quick and nimble bastard. A cow moves by using farts as propellant.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The explicit statement of countrysides is to show an example of a place where cows are roaming the place freely
 
I can't even think of a good cow pun
 
Not that I ever walked ten kilometres down one, but they will definitely scare animals.
@набиячлэвэлиь But it's a completely different setting.
 
It is a known fact that cows decompress the main shuttlebay to move.
 
8:32 PM
One car every half an hour at 40km/h (or 190 if it's Bartek) is fine.
 
Y'all's cows are sissy as fuck
 
cows on the highway don't belong, and if you're Bartek, definitely not, because you'd be doing 250 km/h
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes topkek @ Barket
 
Fartek
 
@TonyTheLion If Bartek really does those kinds of speed, he's a fucking accident waiting to happen and I hope I never get in the same time zone as him.
 
8:33 PM
Anyway, my advice is to not walk ten kilometres down the highway. Fuck, I was really stupid once.
 
@EtiennedeMartel s/waiting to happen//
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes you were on it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well there was a stupid discussion earlier today, where Braket thought those speeds would be sensible
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's illegal, AFAIK
 
@EtiennedeMartel Better keep an extra time zone as buffer, coz he may might get to you in half an hour.
 
8:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel While he would like to, he said his car can basically achieve 160 km/h only if he is downwind and gravity-assisted.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :O breaking the law!
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mocking his stupidity?
 
@TonyTheLion Live fast, die young.
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@EtiennedeMartel Live slow, die.
 
Ugh, its those kinds of attitudes of young people that keep insurance premiums high
 
Just prove to them you're not a young people and that you don't drive in the vicinity of young popeles.
 
8:35 PM
lol
 
Yeah, but better not to die in horrible pain because you decided to have a shit lifestyle and now the government has to keep your broken body alive.
 
Insurance claim requires distance to Bartek at time of accident
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"We got an emergency call. It's from the Bartek Zone."
someone mauls a cello
 
fuck you all
gotta go fast
 
gotta make cereal
which flavor should I taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake?
 
8:37 PM
Hi, does someone having more than 1500 reputation can help me ? I would like to create a tag but I can't because I have not enough reputation. Sorry to "spam" you on this chat but I don't know who can help me. Thanks
 
@Malick what tag
 
@ElimGarak chocolate
 
Life is not a Michael Bay movie.
 
@ElimGarak Cow, obviously.
 
@Malick How much are you willing to pay?
 
8:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz mandelbrot
 
@ElimGarak live, die
 
@R.M @the would you allow self-driven cars go 200kph on highways?
 
yes
assuming they passed all the relevant safety checks of course
 
and would you allow humans in regular cars to go 120kph?
 
no.
 
8:39 PM
@ElimGarak I don't know about Poland, but in the civilized world you can hardly go above 120 km/h without the police wanting to ask a few questions.
 
I would allow self-driven cars to drive at any velocity, provided their engineering is sound. But it would require all other cars to be self-driven to match velocity for secure high throughput.
 
That depends on a lot of stuff, but I expect self-driven cars to be able to drive faster safely.
 
so isn't it sensible to allow more computerized, safer cars go faster?
 
it is.
 
like, you know, MIDDLE GROUND
 
8:39 PM
not really
the middle ground doesn't exist, more or less.
 
Ell
guys
 
@BartekBanachewicz @ElimGarak I m using a programming language call "Ox" (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ox_%28programming_language%29 ) . But unfortunately there is no such tag on stackoverflow. Here a question related to this language :stackoverflow.com/questions/18689938/…
 
> faster
middle ground
 
@Puppy robot kinda didn't agree
 
Basically, we're talking about that scene from iRobot where Will Smith goes all Bartek on his Audi and shuts down autopilot.
 
8:40 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The Jury is still out on the safer part right? Especially if the computerized ones needs to swerve the meat operated ones.
 
Or I could just work from home and order food by drone.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes between what's essentially the worst car allowed to drive nowadays (120kph) and self-driven car (200+)
 
@Malick Done.
 
surely speed limits are tailored at the least capable vehicles, no?
 
@BartekBanachewicz When you said "more computerized", I was assuming relevant computerization. I am not aware of any relevant computerization that actually exists in the middle.
 
8:40 PM
I am disappointed he didn't want
 
I'm hungry
 
@Puppy Traction control, automatic braking?
stability control?
 
not even close.
 
shall I have zebra or antilope for dinner?
 
8:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thank you so much !!
 
I am mostly interested in helicopters and aircrafts, though. Especially helicopters for local transit. Not a big fan of ground transport, don't see it as the future.
 
@Malick You should be free to use it elsewhere now.
 
lane changing radars
 
We're talking about actual self-driving cars, here, right? Like, absolutely zero human interaction in any case?
 
@ElimGarak Helicopters <3
 
8:41 PM
lane assist
 
none of those things are close enough.
as long as the meat is behind the wheel, it's not sufficiently computerized.
 
@EtiennedeMartel My standpoint is: if your car isn't completely self-driven, but safer than raw mechanical one, you should be able to go faster
 
@BartekBanachewicz But why would you go faster?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wil edit the tag to create information. Thank you very much again.
 
@Puppy they significantly decrease the chance of an accident though
 
8:42 PM
Why do you need to go fast?
 
@EtiennedeMartel a) fun b) faster commute
 
@BartekBanachewicz That accident is still basically guaranteed to be fatal, though.
 
@TonyTheLion Moth.
 
@Puppy same with self-driven car at that speed
 
@Morwenn ewwwww
 
8:42 PM
if an accident shall happen
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm guessing that you only want it for fun.
 
yeah, but self-driven car might stand a chance of not having an accident at that speed
 
We're talking about different significantlys here.
@EtiennedeMartel "a)"
 
@TonyTheLion You asked :D
 
Race tracks exist for a reason
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There is the nurburgring
 
@Puppy A lot of modern cars are routinely utilized above 160kph without accidents
 
I don't see them as often as I'd like, though.
 
@TonyTheLion I can live with both of those menu selections. Thanks.
 
I think there are way too many people having to move long distances every day.
 
8:43 PM
@TonyTheLion which is expensive as fuck and far from me
@EtiennedeMartel I don't mind
 
Urban design should take into account that it doesn't make any fucking sense to live more than 50 km from your work.
 
I mean robot sold me on the closed fun cross-country tracks idea
 
@CaptainGiraffe <3
 
@BartekBanachewicz People also routinely survive attempted murder.
 
@ElimGarak oh bby <3
 
8:44 PM
@Puppy uh, that's kind of slippery slope
 
Going fast should be done on closed tracks.
 
not really.
 
again, we could set up 30kph speed limits because that means less accidents
 
@BartekBanachewicz Old ones do too, though.
 
why not?
 
8:44 PM
I'm not claiming that permitting faster meat-driven speeds results in increased attempted murders
I'm merely pointing out that just because it routinely occurs that the worst does not occur does not mean that it does not also routinely occur that the worst happens horribly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but at significantly higher risk, no?
 
especially considering that the worst in this case is pretty fucking bad.
 
I mean it might be more risky to drive an old car at 120 than a modern one at 180
 
@BartekBanachewicz Most of the risk is human error.
 
I don't know stats, but my instinct tells me that at those speeds it's shadowed by human error.
 
8:45 PM
Humans fuck up everything.
 
why don't we break it down
 
90% of car accidents are caused by at least in part by human errors.
 
what kind of human error?
 
I agree with Nick robot
basically what it boils down to is this
 
If you take away humans, you get fewer accidents. It's also possible that a computer would be better at stopping a car in case of a mechanical issue than a human.
 
8:46 PM
at 180kph you have no time to react, so the only way that can be safe is if you don't have to react.
 
I mean modern cars will wake you up if you fall asleep
 
then you have a self-driving car.
 
Human error of being aroused by speed, trying to impress a random bitch etc. Human error of the false sense of security and control over the vehicle. Especially people who have 0 grasp of physics (99% of drivers).
 
@Puppy a car can warn you earlier
if you're warned earlier, you have more time to react
 
not even remotely close.
 
8:47 PM
Humans are really bad at driving.
 
you could be asleep, you could be drunk, you could misinterpret it, you could be getting a blowjob from your hot wife
 
uh, it makes a lot of difference
 
And if you think "well, I'm not bad!", then you are as well.
 
there's a very large gap between "a lot" and "enough"
 
lol, wake you up in time to avoid an accident at 180km/h.
WTF dude.
Wake up?
 
8:48 PM
Ground warning! Pull up! Pull up! Pull up! 50... 40... 30... 20... Retard! Retard! 10... 5...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes those were two examples
 
Yes, and they were bad examples...
 
@ElimGarak yeah, I've noticed they aren't saying anything about humans being pilots?
@R.MartinhoFernandes because, uh, you said so?
 
With the examples here, it seems like you want autonomous cars drive 180kph in the city, while humans fuck it up when going over 50 on the highway.
 
again, look at it closely
say, it's foggy. You can see at 50m distance
 
8:48 PM
Aircrafts are very much automated nowadays, most jet airliners fly IFR and land via ILS.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Actually, I hold the same overall opinion there. It's just that airlines are a lot better at avoiding human error than drivers, so it's a less pressing issue.
 
if you have a car with a radar, you'll know much earlier
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's catIIIb ILS landing, no human touch involved.
Same would be prudent with cars.
 
now, the time to react depends on the speed
if you can notice at 50m, you have to go considerably slower
 
but it's not much earlier enough.
 
8:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, but I still hold that those benefits are not significant when compared to removing the driver.
 
if you have tech that can warn you faster, you can go faster
@Puppy ENOUGH FOR WHAT
 
It's a completely different scale of risks we're talking here.
 
it's not black and white
 
Spurious wake-up of conductor.
 
enough for the meatbag in the front to wake up and perform the correct action.
 
8:50 PM
there's your speed, there's your distance, there's your reaction time
@Puppy FFS people do realize that other people are in front of them
 
or hell, even for the meatbag to simply decide what the correct action is
 
because they ride slower
 
But even with all that in mind, countries like Germany will not be willing to give up their auto freedom.
 
@BartekBanachewicz With the different in magnitude of the risks involved, it kinda becomes black and white.
 
You know, if you close your eyes for one second while going at 180 km/h, it means you traveled 50 meters while blind.
 
8:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're only painting it that way because it suits your argument
that's ridiculous
 
1 second is par for the course for reaction times for a relatively alert driver.
 
Ell
I always wonder why modern cars don't have distance meters
 
might as well stop adding any security systems to nowadays cars
 
@Ell What do you mean, distance meters?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then convince me removing the driver doesn't overshadow everything else.
@BartekBanachewicz That is a slippery slope.
 
8:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, I'm not arguing that at all
 
they do have a distance meter that tells you how many miles the car has driven in it's lifetime.
 
Ell
@Puppy that tell you the distance between the front of your car and the back of the one in front
 
@Ell Some have, if you opt in for the additional equipment.
 
@Ell they do
 
There's no reason to make things worse just because what we're doing is not the optimal way.
 
8:52 PM
@Ell Newer ones do have stuff like that.
 
Audis also come with IR overlay and HUD, if you have the money.
 
Ell
@Puppy oh cool
 
As long as you have humans in some sort of control, people will keep dying a lot in car accidents.
 
Ell
it seems a bit late for that tech
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so is there a reason to make it better?
 
8:52 PM
And people die a lot. Cars are fucking dangerous.
 
Ell
as in, we should have had it years ago
 
yeah, it's not even remotely enough.
 
for fucks sake
 
@EtiennedeMartel People are dangerous. :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er, yes? A little benefit is better than nought? That's common sense.
 
8:53 PM
@Ell Not enough general-purpose computing power and reliable all-weather sensor technology.
 
23 secs ago, by Puppy
yeah, it's not even remotely enough.
 
We should ban people today.
 
user1804599
for fucks sale
 
if you can't see the contrast then I don't even
at one hand you're praising self-driven cars like no tomorrow
 
there's no reason to stop adding safety features to meat-driven cars
 
8:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes From a risk perspective that is completely true and I'm surprised we don't see any PETA-like dogmatists arguing for safer roads.
 
until we can abolish meat-driven cars.
 
"no not-self-driven is good enough"
 
user1804599
oh we're Bartek's talking about cars again ∴ time to play Minecraft.
 
@Puppy does it make them safer?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yep.
 
8:54 PM
Fuck, I don't know what to do with my life.
 
Mercedes cars have blind spot tech which forces you back into your lane should you fuck up, for example.
 
Insurance companies will at one point not want to insure a human-driven car because it's gonna be too risky.
 
personally
 
Here in Quebec, you cannot legally drive a car without insurance.
 
@Puppy does it mean they can go faster while being safe?
 
8:54 PM
it's my life's goal to not learn to drive and then own a car.
@BartekBanachewicz Not a chance in hell.
 
@Puppy why?
 
the objective of adding safety features is not to go faster, it's to die less.
if you added a safety feature and then went faster, you would die just as much as before.
 
@Puppy why don't we decrease speed limits then?
 
that's pointless.
 
user1804599
lol, classic rector-fucks-teacher in movie on TV
 
8:55 PM
@BartekBanachewicz In many cases, we have decreased speed limits.
 
Thing is, I quite enjoy to drive my car. I don't want to have my keys taken away just for the sake of risk reduction. That is my selfish stance.
 
Gotta go fast.
 
@Puppy why don't we decrease them further?
 
Gotta make cereal.
 
You can only feel your masculinity when you're going fast. Or firing a gun.
 
8:55 PM
because it's simply not practical at the moment.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why not both at the same time?
 
Hello.
 
@Puppy so you're accepting that people will die because "practical"?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Cost of course. Transport is a biggie.
 
Ell
@Owatch get out before it's too late :V
 
8:56 PM
If someone could tell me why this raises a flag:
ALCRange *arrayWithAppendedRange(ALCRange range, int length, ALCRange *arr){
    ALCRange *newArr = calloc(length + 1, sizeof(ALCRange *));
    for (int i = 0; i < length; i++){
        newArr[i] = &range;
    }
 
@CaptainGiraffe so you're trading human lifes for money?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes- that's a fact of life. Don't have enough doctors, don't have enough money, etc
 
@BartekBanachewicz No but cost + practical.
 
Oh, I get it. "raises a flag", gets flagged. Ha ha ha.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That is the agreement we have. Same with security.
 
8:56 PM
Dinner tie.
 
Weeeee GF pissing me off
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's a balancing act.
 
@Puppy I don't get it how you can silently accept people dying on the roads
 
people die because it's impractical to save them all the time.
 
newArr is an empty array of pointers. Why is it wrong to assign a pointer to an index within it?
 
Ell
8:57 PM
Okay I don't know how to implement my hashtable_it in C :(
 
you know what's the most ironic part in all that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because there's nothing we can do to prevent it from occurring. The only thing we can do to reduce the number of deaths is reduce or remove the meat from the equation- which is exactly what we are doing.
 
@Ell You just gotta hashtable it!
 
the people having the most voice in speed limits on highways are people who don't drive on highways
 
@BartekBanachewicz As a society it is accepted. The roads is the single largest killer by far.
 
8:58 PM
fuck logic
 
if we could also go faster that would be nice but it's really not required because we can just fly for the larger distances.
 
@Puppy or reduce the speed limits
this is what we can do
 
what we often have done.
 
but you're insisting they're kept at current values because something
 
well actually
 
8:58 PM
because current rate of deaths is what you can accept
 
I'd probably be in favour of lowering them a bit.
 
why not more than a bit.
 
I just don't think that the other meats would accept it.
@BartekBanachewicz Because our society depends on cars to function.
 
how many human lives can you spare before your arbitrary death goal is reached
 
Ell
@Puppy if the current level of death is acceptable, then adding safety features to the car should allow for higher speed limits
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8:59 PM
the answer to that question would involve a lot more statistics than I have at my fingertips.
@Ell Er, no.
 

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