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7:01 PM
oh come on
 
user1804599
Don't post that on days that aren't Fridays.
 
ORIGINAL JOKE DO NOT STEAL
 
it was fine
 
I love you guise. But I may be a little tipsy as well, so that might cloud my judgement.
 
It hasn't been fine for about forever
And now it's a million times later
 
7:03 PM
@ElimGarak Now's the time to code!
 
user1804599
What does Windows do when RAM is full, swap is disabled, and a program requests more memory?
 
Especially Cat. I don't know why, but he seems like he needs hugs and shit.
I am done with coding for today, I don't want to look at another compute shader until tomorrow morning.
 
@Elyse Not give it?
 
@Elyse OOM killer will trigger way before RAM is full
 
user1804599
Why the question mark?
 
user1804599
7:04 PM
@CatPlusPlus OK. Will it kill a random process?
 
@Elyse I'm guessing.
 
@CatPlusPlus It was never fine. It's definitely not fine now. It's just pointless random trolling
 
user1804599
@Nooble That's not useful.
 
@Puppy That's what I said
 
@Elyse You're not useful.
 
7:05 PM
yep
 
Except I evaluate funny :v
 
@ElimGarak Hug him then.
 
@Elyse Dunno, I think it picks the largest ones
Windows handles memory pressure worse than Linux, and really doesn't like when swap is disabled
 
Once you're over 80% memory usage, Windows basically goes to shit.
 
user1804599
Ok.
 
7:07 PM
I am gliding at a solid 60% right now.
 
@ElimGarak 1 tab of chrome = 16 GB of RAM.
 
I like when you hit around 99% and everything just goes black, and you're lucky if you can still type "killall explorer" into a cmd by touch :D
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak mine is around 90% all the time and I don't notice any problems.
 
@Elyse Are you one of those peasants who doesn't have 32 GB of RAM?
 
user1804599
I have 16 GB of RAM.
 
7:08 PM
Me too.
 
Ell
I have 8GB of ram
 
user1804599
I disabled paging to increase SSD life.
 
user1804599
Never noticed OOM scenarios though.
 
Well, isn't like 5 years solid enough?
 
@Ell D:
 
user1804599
7:09 PM
Running Chrome, FO4 and VirtualBox at the same time causes no problems.
 
@Elyse Also, what are you doing that you're on 90%?
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak No idea.
 
Ell
@Nooble I don't use it vOv
 
user1804599
I just have Chrome, VirtualBox, and Vim open now.
 
Ell
Unless I'm compiling stuff
Which I am, often
 
user1804599
7:09 PM
Chrome only uses 300MB.
 
Ell
But no OOM yet
 
@Ell Nah it's fine, I barely ever go above 8.
On the other hand we have @набиячлэвэлиь who has 4 GB of RAM.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
No idea what those numbers mean.
 
Ooh 16 GB of DDR3-1600.
Classic
 
7:11 PM
@ElimGarak I have 16 GB in my laptop. I'm still waiting for the extra 32GB to show up in the mail.
Once I have 48GB of ram in my laptop, I'll be able to run 2 chrome tabs and half an instance of iTunes.
18
 
@Elyse How are you liking 10?
 
user1804599
???
 
Ell
Chrome is an insecure browser
Thanks for listening
 
@Elyse Woah, that's not right. Just yesterday, I had Mass Effect 2 & Fallout 4 running, working on a 35 million triangles mesh in Zbrush, leaky 3ds max was open and Firefox was crumbling under the pressure of a million tabs. 76%
 
@Mysticial No way. You'll need an X99 motherboard to support the 128 GB of DDR4.
 
7:12 PM
No it's just bad
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak It's always around this and I never notice any problems or hiccups.
 
user1804599
Everything is fast and smooth.
 
user1804599
The program that takes the longest to start is Leiningen (around 15 seconds). Most programs start instantly.
 
I have 8 GB on my laptop.
 
@Elyse Windows 10
 
7:15 PM
@caps That's Windows 8 / 8.1
 
user1804599
I have never used Windows 10, so I don't know.
 
Oh, the flatness psyched me out.
 
@caps Looks like 8/8.1.
 
I don't remember 8.1 looking like that. But I never used it much.
 
@caps Windows 10 is devoid of color in the window chrome
 
7:15 PM
Yeah it is.
 
a1d54d5 warn about compound constant expression conditions
55c9788 replace obscure comparisons against 0.0 with method calls
eb4685f replace PrettyTree console output with JTree
1dd9aea adorn Expression.toString with type information
bb448a4 override ASTNode.toString
28836f5 remove AbsentInitializer
97beb9a enrich AST statement nodes with keywords
15903db pull up root() from Expression to ASTNode
f7306d1 generalize walkChildren to forEachChild
What a productive Sunday!
 
Your primary color is basically a 1px border without a glow (like Visual Studio, but worse)
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak I could start FO4 at this moment and it'd run just fine.
 
@ElimGarak whaddya mean "but worse"? that's about the only thing I like about Windows 10 :p
 
psst, want some red panda pics? /cc @Borgleader @ScottW @TonyTheLion
 
7:17 PM
@Elyse That's weird, your memory seems to behave like it is cached / available, rather than used.
 
user1804599
Maybe.
 
@Elyse I'd say no. There's some kind of UTF8 text 2 block art thing that someone (you?) posted here a long time ago. I'd say 15 months. I think it has always been a tweet with a link to a github. It will be hard to find in the lounge
 
user1804599
@sehe Oh that Markdown dialect.
 
user1804599
That was more like 15 days ago than 15 months.
 
Not that then
 
user1804599
7:19 PM
@ElimGarak Also, if I look at the Processes tab in Task Manager, adding all the memory usages doesn't get to 15GB.
 
asciiflow.com @Elyse never heard of, but could be interesting
 
user1804599
 
Isn't he cute? /cc @jaggedSpire @Borgleader @TonyTheLion
 
user1804599
@sehe not very maintainable.
 
@Nooble meh
 
user1804599
7:21 PM
Too much bitmap-oriented.
 
user1804599
I want layers in that case.
 
@Elyse How can you possibly know
 
@jaggedSpire :)
 
user1804599
But preferably just objects that I can drag around, a la Visio.
 
> The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
 
7:22 PM
@melak47 Ahahahaha.
 
Oh look it's another original joke
 
I'm immune! Why the hell do they allow the video which must not be named that always appears on fridays to be viewed from Germany :(
 
@sehe How do I share my creation?
 
thank God for that
I wish I couldn't view that shit from England.
 
user1804599
Oh, I found something.
 
user1804599
7:24 PM
3
A: Windows 7 having high physical memory usage, how to reduce it?

David SchwartzWindows assumes that physical memory has no cost associated with using it. It makes no effort whatsoever to make physical memory free because this makes no sense. If it makes physical memory free, only one of two things can happen: That memory isn't used any time soon. In this case, the effort ...

 
@ElimGarak I dunno. It can go on google drive or so. So there's that. But other than that I only see the flat ascii/utf8 export
 
Ell
@Elyse have you tried .dot files and graphviz?
 
ok
 
@Ell cough. That was the original question
 
Memory consumed by VMs will not show up in task manager
 
7:25 PM
it says here that I currently have £485 more than this time last month.
 
@CatPlusPlus Why on earth...
 
@jaggedSpire Part 2 has videos :D :D :D
 
and I need save £340 to hit my target.
 
@Nooble that'd be too easy! :p
 
so I've got quite a bit of moneys over
 
7:26 PM
@Borgleader And they seem even floofier in them!
 
@Elyse boxes.thomasjensen.com looks viable /cc @Ell Ah no flow charts
 
It's probably because it's not directly allocated by any process, but I don't know VBox internals enough
 
Ell
@sehe oh. My bad :3
 
Or how VT-X works
 
7:27 PM
@melak47 :P
 
By "not show up" I mean it'll be counted in 'used memory' but no process will have that much memory associated with it
 
@Elyse FOUND IT (I think) ditaa.sourceforge.net /cc @Ell @ElimGarak
 
user1804599
@sehe maybe I'll just stick with DOT, if I can get absolute positioning to work well.
 
user1804599
@sehe looks awesome.
 
Why do all names start with "@El"
 
user1804599
7:28 PM
But not really what I'm looking for. :)
 
OH well
 
Haha Graphviz and absolute positioning
 
Indeed, but Vbox usually has a really low upper bound on allowed memory expenditure. Elyse had to crank it up all the way to 100%, into the graphical red zone
 
Absolute poisoning
 
user1804599
7:29 PM
 
user1804599
Something like this with DOT except more straight lines and less randomly positioned boxes.
 
Forget about it
 
@Elyse This was created using ditaa: (from this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/10025272/367456 - yes that's PHP)
 
user1804599
@sehe That's the kind of output I want.
 
Graphviz has no control over positioning apart from some relative relations
 
user1804599
7:31 PM
:(
 
Stop talking about graphviz. No one thought it was a viable idea :)
 
Ell
@Elyse which layout engine are you using?
 
user1804599
Maybe I'll use ditaa then.
 
Ell
Yeah forget it actually
 
Or maybe don't obsess over straight lines :v
 
user1804599
7:33 PM
> java -jar .\ditaa0_9.jar .\dataflow.ditaa

ditaa version 0.9, Copyright (C) 2004--2009  Efstathios (Stathis) Sideris

Running with options:
Reading file: .\dataflow.ditaa
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -1
        at java.util.ArrayList.elementData(Unknown Source)
        at java.util.ArrayList.get(Unknown Source)
        at org.stathissideris.ascii2image.text.TextGrid.initialiseWithLines(Unknown Source)
        at org.stathissideris.ascii2image.text.TextGrid.loadFrom(Unknown Source)
 
Ell
Cat you'll never produce good diagrams with that attitude
 
user1804599
@sehe ^ gg
 
You know you have a dirty mind when you keep thinking there was "cum jar" written in that diagram subliminally. Thanks, reddit /cc @Jefery
Oct 2 at 23:53, by ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ
Ok, so reddit just made me realize that some people cum in containers and then collect them somewhere in their house. (VNSFW link)
@Elyse Cool surname
 
user1804599
Maybe it only chokes on empty files.
 
user1804599
Yeah, works for nonempty files.
 
7:34 PM
@Elyse Or on buckets full of cocks
which sample. What clients? How many, what are they sending? What's the stacktrace? How did you build it? Etc. — sehe 7 secs ago
 
my, what large ears you have /cc @Borgleader @ScottW @TonyTheLion
 
Why the hell does everyone know the dupe, upvote the comment and not dupevote :) Don't tell me every one had too low rep (because that would make no sense with the average number of views boost questions get) — sehe 6 secs ago
 
user1804599
@sehe drawing these things in Vim is too much work.
 
You are a quick decider
 
user1804599
Block selection helps but meh.
 
7:46 PM
I think the part where the source is a good representation is a good thing
It would be best if there were a WYSIWYG editor like the asciiflow editor with ditaa compatible output/input.
I think it's already there though. You can use asciiflow.com to manip (import/export ascii) and ditaa to render
 
user1804599
Also want 2D diffs for Git.
 
:D You will have to write a plugin for that
 
Ven
\o/
 
user1804599
Difficult to resize boxes.
 
user1804599
Also, asciiflow doesn't preserve imported data.
 
user1804599
7:57 PM
It turns |< into +^. :v
 
user1804599
I can't use these tools.
 
user1804599
I really need something similar to DOT.
 
user1804599
Where you describe which boxes are connected in which way, and a tool turns that into an image.
 
user1804599
Like this for sequence diagrams: knsv.github.io/mermaid/live_editor
 
user1804599
Oh that tool supports flow charts, actually. Let's try that.
 
8:06 PM
wow I installed MSVC on my virtual machine
 
Getting 2kB/s from US servers
christ
 
and it ICEs even on the simplest programs
 
Is there some backbone problem
 
@Nooble whathowwhere
 
@набиячлэвэлиь build status is rekt on mobile
 
8:11 PM
good job Mircosoft
 
user1804599
@sehe that tool also doesn't support this specific shape I want:
 
user1804599
 
@Nooble Always is
 
@Elyse Sorry. I should have known better
Darn.
 
user1804599
XD
 
user1804599
8:16 PM
It looks like one of those machines that emit numbered tags.
 
user1804599
 
@Nooble by-design
 
@CatPlusPlus Haha.
 
@Elyse export to asciiart with libcaca
 
user1804599
XD
 
8:19 PM
libpoop
 
@Elyse It's called a squirrel cage blower.
 
user1804599
No, it's called "Flow Chart: Sequential Access Storage".
 
Public CI status: still annoying
I don't even know why I'm bothering
 
Hey @Elyse.
 
8:32 PM
@Elyse How'd audiere go?
 
user1804599
Not tried yet.
 
user1804599
@Jefery Hey.
 
@sehe Why did you remember me of this? I was living a happy life damnit.
 
why are you making a public CI cat?
 
Using not making
 
8:35 PM
oh
 
Is it "Continuos Integration"?
 
I've set up Wide to run on Travis
 
I'll probably have to write a NoSQL DB using the AM of Akka in Scala.
 
user1804599
@Jefery What is an AM?
 
user1804599
8:39 PM
Also, Akka is awful.
 
Actor Model
 
user1804599
Why would you have to do that?
 
@Elyse why?
looked a bit overarchitected
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson It's incredibly complex, and uses Any for messages, instead of something sane.
 
what is any?
 
8:40 PM
boost::any
 
object
 
user1804599
Like C# object.
 
@Elyse You know the answer to this
 
Akka is extremely sensitive to network partitions
 
user1804599
@Jefery school lol
 
8:41 PM
That's right
 
That's a problem, not fucking types
 
user1804599
Choices made that are already wrong:
- Implementing a DBMS.
- Using the actor model.
 
@Elyse What else would you use?
 
There's nothing wrong with actor model
 
@JohanLarsson I object
 
user1804599
8:43 PM
@Jefery Depends on the specific problem at hand.
 
@StackedCrooked you always do :)
 
user1804599
"Implement a NoSQL DB" is too broad to make unit-specific decisions.
 
Orleans is a good actor platform
 
@Elyse As the writer of Akka, what else would you use?
Would you take like a template argument of some sort?
 
And Erlang but that's lower level
 
user1804599
8:44 PM
Oh, instead of Any?
 
user1804599
I would make Actor and ActorRef type constructors.
 
Yeah
 
user1804599
And receive a T => IO[Unit] instead of PartialFunction[Any, Unit].
 
Important Things(tm)
 
Wait
 
8:46 PM
 
Functions that are partially applied have a different type?
 
strong typing is important
 
user1804599
No.
 
^ is Akka btw, maybe it is named after it
 
user1804599
A PartialFunction is a partial function, not necessarily a partially-applied one.
 
8:46 PM
In a system like that there's million infinitely worse problems than type errors
It's not important enough to matter
 
user1804599
A T => U is also a partial function, hilariously, but with PartialFunction you can query its domain.
 
user1804599
I avoid PartialFunction whenever possible. Its use indicates your input type it not restricted enough.
 
Oh "partial" refers to the domain
 
user1804599
Code that makes assumptions like "f.isDefinedAt(x) returns true, therefore f(x) succeeds" is too hard to refactor.
 
user1804599
In mathematics, a partial function from X to Y (written as f: X ↛ Y) is a function f: X′ → Y, for some subset X′ of X. It generalizes the concept of a function f: X → Y by not forcing f to map every element of X to an element of Y (only some subset X′ of X). If X′ = X, then f is called a total function and is equivalent to a function. Partial functions are often used when the exact domain, X′, is not known (e.g. many functions in computability theory). Specifically, we will say that for any x ∈ X, either: f(x) = y ∈ Y (it is defined as a single element in Y) or f(x) is undefined. For example we...
 
user1804599
8:51 PM
@Jefery Example: ideone.com/fGcexp
 
user1804599
Akka uses isDefinedAt to determine whether an actor responds to a certain message.
 
user1804599
But when you get rid of Any in favour of parameterization, this is no longer necessary, as you can just make the message type more restrictive and the problem is solved, as it's then checked statically instead of dynamically.
 
I see
 
user1804599
Akka also has this horrible thing called sender, which makes writing generic abstractions much harder.
 
IOW don't use Akka
 
user1804599
9:02 PM
Also don't mention Akka in #scala on Freenode. You'll be eaten alive.
 
Let me try that
Johan preceded me
 
user1804599
lol
 
I'm still alive
 
user1804599
RIP
 
9:07 PM
@jerefy how come?
 
user1804599
@sehe found a job yet?
 
@melak47 How come what?
 
you still being alive :)
was the response not as vicious as promised?
 
There was no response.
Except from rightfold
 
user1804599
There is also #akka.
 
9:30 PM
woo, http downloads work again!
I can finally download that 3MB update
 
@jaggedSpire covers are out of the dryer, im a warm burrito :3
 
user1804599
Is there a reasonable HTTP client library for C++?
 
@Elyse dunno about reasonable, but I've used both cpp-netlib and MS' casablanca/C++ REST SDK thing
 
user1804599
POCO may be nice.
 
9:45 PM
@Elyse funny how many combinations of words you could drop from that sentence and it still seem like a reasonable question.
 
user1804599
Is there C++?
 
oh, good question, just what is C++?
 
it's Bjarne_cast<C++>(C)
 
user1804599
@melak47 cpp-netlib looks nice, thanks.
 
@melak47 surely it's just struct C{ C operator++(this){ return Magic; }};
 
9:51 PM
> If a lambda-expression does not include a lambda-declarator, it is as if the lambda-declarator were (). The lambda return type is auto, which is replaced by the type specified by the trailing-return-type if provided and/or deduced from return statements as described in [dcl.spec.auto].
so the default return type of a lambda is auto?
I thought it'd be decltype(auto) in C++14 hm
 
auto is a sensible default, isn't it?
 
@Rapptz all I know is I need to -> auto& to return by reference
@melak47 oh good. Is cpprest sdk any good with async?
I mean - I know it's supported, but isn't it a pain to use async?
 
I dunno. In my use cases I didn't care about async and just .get() ed on everything :/
if you have VS2015 you can use await sugar :v
 
oh, shame. I'd really like to have an informed opinion there. I shied away because when I considered it linux/osx support was still absent and I worried about the async model + shared pointers
@melak47 Yeah I guess. So it's good for MSVC
But I went with curl-over-asio
Which was pretty smooth
 
I want to make an HTTP client lib one day in C++ but I suck at async stuff so I never bother.
 
user1804599
9:59 PM
Use Boost.Coroutine.
 

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