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11:00 AM
@TheForestAndTheTrees lol
 
^ Java clock drawn with Swing
 
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@fredoverflow why?
 
I could tell it's Java by looking at some of the pixels
 
@Elyse Why clock or why Java or why Swing?
 
user1804599
11:08 AM
s/or/and/g
 
@fredoverflow Reminds me of my first year at uni.
 
@Elyse Java because that's what my students use, Swing because Java 7, clock because it's fun.
 
user1804599
No, implementing clocks is boring.
 
@fredoverflow The code for that example showed me how to do simple animation. Which enabled me to implement my first tetris program.
 
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Also, digital clocks are easier to read, so implement them instead.
 
11:10 AM
@StackedCrooked I use a Swing timer for the animation.
 
I think the example in our book used thread.sleep. It was still java.awt back then (1999-2000).
 
@StackedCrooked ...which enabled you to do X, which enabled you to do Y, which enabled you to dominate the world? :)
 
Yeah. I run a country now.
 
user1804599
Naked people in Hong Kong. @GregorMcGregor y u no tell me
 
> Naked Girl Walks Around Hong Kong With No Pants!
 
11:14 AM
@StackedCrooked hong kong with no pants
 
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It's SFW unless your coworkers are good at distinguishing camouflage.
 
How thick is that layer of paint I wonder.
 
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@StackedCrooked You know what would be more fun? A naked girl walking around Hong Kong with pants.
 
@Elyse Nice. She must have really closed and small labia. :)
 
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> Snoop Dogg launches his own weed brand, Leafs By Snoop
 
Xeo
11:18 AM
@wilx Or just... underwear?
 
@Xeo What? Wasn't she naked and only painted?
 
Xeo
She's got underwear on, apparently.
 
She's got something in the front.
 
Ell
Ugh I really need to solve my oversleeping problem
I've realised it is a real problem now
 
@Ell I really need to solve my undersleeping problem
wanna trade?
 
11:20 AM
Just set many alarms with 5 min intervals.
 
@Ell It is called the alarm and it is not a medicine.
 
Or make it 1 min intervals.
 
@Xeo OH. Boring.
 
@StackedCrooked that's called automatic snoozing
I snooze ~1hr :P
w/ 10 min intervals
 
Xeo
I just... get up when the alarm goes.
 
11:20 AM
freak
 
And put some distance so you have to get up to stop the alarm.
 
Xeo
I also drink no coffee
 
I do have to get up to stop the alarm
 
And once you get up start checking your emails.
 
otherwise I stop it in my sleep and it never rings again
 
user1804599
11:21 AM
@Ell connect a water bucket to your snooze button.
 
The screen brightness can help.
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked I just get up, turn alarm off, sleep again
 
You got 2/3.
 
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@Ell get one of these
 
Ell
11:22 AM
It's also due to me sleeping at 3 when I have yo get up at 7
How do I fix that one?
 
that's not oversleeping that's undersleeping
do you have a job?
 
Ell
No
 
get one
 
Ell
I have uni tho
 
user1804599
@Ell Go to bed earlier.
 
11:23 AM
I'm never "late" for my job but I have to wake up at least 1 hour earlier due to snoozing
so basically I wake up at around 8:30 and arrive at work at 10+
 
Ell
@Elyse I want to but I can't bring myself to
 
I'm tired tho so it's undersleeping
 
Xeo
I get up at 7, am at work sometime between 8 and 8:30 (15mins walk), and go to bed around 11 to 12 at night
 
not oversleeping
 
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@Xeo Cool story, bro.
 
11:24 AM
the basic idea is, if you can't get up in time it's because you haven't slept enough :P
 
Xeo
it's really nice to arrive early and then leave early, I found
 
I wouldn't call that oversleeping
@Ell when was the last time you went to sleep earlier?
sometimes it adds up for me so I just go to bed at 21
because I don't feel like doing anything
 
Ell
@xeo I like it too, on the very rare occasion that it happens
@AlexM. I'm not sure, probably a year ago I was sleeping at 1am, it has been getting later since
 
how do you survive for a year with 4 hours of sleep per night
anyway yea get a job, the best way
because then if you're late you die
either of hunger or of shame for having your parents keep you alive
 
@Ell Eat drugs
I got a job with flexible schedule
Best kind
 
Ell
11:37 AM
@alex I can't get a job bcos uni
I'd need a time turner
 
you don't have to attend everything at uni you know
 
Ell
Yeah but I can't just pop out of work every other hour
And I have to attend most things because this course is hard man
 
I often read about US developers making 100K a year. Seems so high compared to salaries here..
 
@StackedCrooked always think relative to expenses
romanian salaries are shit compared to those but not really if you live here
 
11:42 AM
what would a romanian do with 100k a year
buy 10 villas per year
 
body painting
 
I find being a boss isn't always that great either - people take your money and not do exactly what you told them to do ...
maybe I should lower my standard
 
@chmod666telkitty From C++14 to C++11?
 
I would be happier if I pay people, they do a shitty job & I am okay with that
@fredoverflow talking about trades people :p
 
C++ for teens
 
11:46 AM
@chmod666telkitty Insufficient blood supply to the brain is a common phenomenon among men as well.
 
I am back 2 black already, but thanks for concerning ...
bathroom ...
this house is taking me forever, I should die of shame for being so slow
but as a thick skinned person, I will just tank on ...
it's not completed yet ...
 
People asking me for their hardware problems make me feel awful
I feel useless
 
Because you don't know anything about hardware?
 
Yeah
 
Wait, computer hardware or house-building hardware?
 
11:53 AM
A friend of mine's phone fell down and 1/5 of the screen is black now and he asked me if it's a video card problem or something else.
 
lol phones
 
@Jefffrey tell him to update his drivers
 
Phones have video cards?
 
@fredoverflow yea they have gpus
 
I know nothing about phones.
 
11:54 AM
my first message was a jokio btw don't take it seriously
 
In fact if something similar happened in a computer I wouldn't know for sure either.
 
I know people use phones for anything but phone calls these days.
 
I would imagine modern computers are extremely complex inside.
 
hardware problems are problems that money can solve easily
 
@Jefffrey Reinstall windows. If that doesn't help, buy new computer.
 
11:55 AM
select money from inventory, give to man who knows
select hardware from inventory, give to man who knows
pick up fixed hardware
 
:26810407 I would be surprised if there was not an app for that...
 
If you're not a hardware guy then tell them you don't know and that's that what's the problem
 
I feel like I disappoint them
 
@Jefffrey "fell down and 1/5 of the screen is black now" I'd say the problem is that it fell down
 
@CatPlusPlus you should've seen how disappointed and angry the family was when I had no idea why the fuck a cousin's phone was misbehaving
as if I'm supposed to know all the shit ever
 
11:56 AM
 
Also if I say "I'm not a hardware guy" the next time their Windows stops behaving they'll ask me to fix it.
What do I say at that point? "I'm not a Windows guy"?
 
"I'm not an OS guy either"
 
@Jefffrey "$50 please"
 
Why do you feel obligated to help people with problems you're not an expert in?
 
11:56 AM
@Jefffrey tell them you're a special snoflek who doesn't like being used
 
To which they will label me as "I have no idea what the fuck this guy does. Does he even study anything related to computers?"
 
and won't be their friend anymore
 
So?
Who the fuck cares
 
@Jefffrey Computer science is not about computers.
 
So. I feel like it's kinda true
 
11:57 AM
There's a fairly simple flowchart for programmers: is it about programming? If no, don't ask me
 
I'm useless when it comes to fixing something other than a programming problem.
 
@CatPlusPlus Where can I find that? :)
 
That's called specialisation
 
@fredoverflow Computer science is about computers just like astronomy is about telescopes
 
Anyone who doesn't understand the concept is an idiot
 
11:58 AM
@milleniumbug ))))))))))
 
is that lisp
 
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@AlexM. Yeah, that astronomy quote is from one of the Lisp professors.
 
@chmod666telkitty wow you're very tall
 
@Mr.kbok I was indeed, had ladder as my heels
 
@Mr.kbok Nah - it's just a huge wine bottle.
 
12:00 PM
2014 ... old vine ...
 
@CatPlusPlus Thanks. That helped.
 
@GregorMcGregor Why? I have no problem admitting that I suck at C++.
 
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@fredoverflow to compensate: ((((((((((((
 
Meanwhile,back at chez Martin, the mobo blew up on my development box. I moved my drives/backups to our TV server - a 2 core AMD box with a massive 4G RAM. The video card promptly died, forcing me to use the integrated graphics and so sucking the life out of what little RAM there is.

I'm thoroughy pissed off with all hardware ATM:(
 
I hate markdown.
 
user406009
12:07 PM
@MartinJames Have you tried downloading more RAM yet?
 
cloud!
funny how reading old emails brings back forgotten memories
you be like 'Oo, that!'
cleaning up the e-trash, so mail box becomes faster ...
 
user406009
Or you could just use GMail. And have effectively infinite storage.
 
yeah ... & use cloud as backup
extremely wise ...
I could increase the size of the mail box, I am the admin
 
No, but I did try transplanting the good graphics card from my dev box. The power supply gave up, but recovered when I removed the card.

VMware in 4G RAM :(
 
but I think I might as well clean up the mail box, it's not like have 8000 emails with the oldest one dated back 10 years ago in your inbox would do any good
 
12:14 PM
@chmod666telkitty regarding optics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction-limited_system
 
@chmod666telkitty: Are you deleting old emails? I never do that.
You will miss them ten years from now! :)
 
user406009
@wilx He's only deleting the emails that she won't miss.
 
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You know, those emails.
 
he? are we getting another big announcement?
 
He? Do I look very manly?
 
user406009
12:18 PM
Darn, only fixed one in time.
 
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I always forget which people are he's and which people are she's on here.
 
user406009
English needs gender neutral pronouns ASAP.
 
@Lalaland It has, "it".
 
@Lalaland xe
 
user406009
I would open a bug report, but we all know that like all decent bug reports, the answer will be "WON'T FIX".
 
12:21 PM
gah another guy who can't spell my name
 
user1804599
@Mr.bkok What's so hard about your name?
 
arnaude, arnou, araund, around
nobody gets it right
I should change my name maybe
 
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allround
 
user1804599
Arnaud the world, Arnaud the world
Arnaud the world, Arnaud the world
Arnaud the world, Arnaud the world
Arnaud the world, Arnaud the world
 
@Lalaland they
 
12:24 PM
dip doop dwip doop doop dodoop
 
Ell
your name is Mr KayBok
 
user1804599
 
mr cockblock
 
@Mr.kbok One could just ... increase the aperture?
 
@chmod666telkitty that's just more light :p do you into cameras
 
12:26 PM
@Elyse It is a great song.
 
user1804599
The lyrics are easy to memorise.
 
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And highly compressible.
 
@GregorMcGregor wrote the lyrics
 
user1804599
% pbpaste | wc -c
2608
% pbpaste | gzip | wc -c
73
 
$ echo {1..10000} | wc -c
48894
$ echo {1..10000} | gzip | wc -c
22201
Incrementing numbers don't compress that well.
 
user1804599
12:30 PM
Try echo {1..10000}/{1..10000}/{1..10000}/{1..10000}/{1..10000}/{1..10000}/{1..10000}.
 
$ echo {1..10000} | sed -e 's,[0-9],0,g' | gzip | wc -c
 119
 
user1804599
Why not use seq 1 10000?
 
seqs
 
Dunno. I could use seq too.
 
seq 6 6 6 -> sex XXX
 
user1804599
12:33 PM
% echo {1..10000} | gzip | wc -c
22625
% echo {1..10000} | gzip | wc -c | gzip | wc -c
26
 
Is today a day off for you guys too?
 
user1804599
No.
 
Ell
Well I didn't wake up in time so yah :P
 
user1804599
Next week is, though.
 
user406009
@Mr.kbok I wish.
 
user406009
12:33 PM
What's special about today?
 
WWI ends
 
Ell
Oh yeah ofc
Oops :S
I oughtn't have forgotten that
 
Independence day
Which also means shoppe is closed and I have no food siiigh
 
user1804599
When someone says "You can't do X because of Y." does that mean Y results in you not being able to do X or does that mean that possibly you can do X, but the reason you can do it is not Y but possibly something else?
 
Ell
rememberance day
 
user406009
12:37 PM
"You can't do X because of Y" means that Y results in you not being able to X.
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok What? WWI ended decades ago.
 
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@Lalaland What makes you think that?
 
And it also means neonazis on the streets.
 
Because that's how English works
 
user1804599
12:38 PM
I think the sentence is ambiguous.
 
No it's not
 
kbok :'( I thought you were more elite than me in physics :'(
I mean this was in high school physics? or maybe it's the 1st year uni physics ...
 
@chmod666telkitty yes I am :) why do you ask
 
If you wanted to say the other thing, it wouldn't start with "you can't do X"
 
 
12:40 PM
My mom has a family meeting today and I have to take care of the dogs today.
 
Also today
 
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@StackedCrooked sell the dogs and enjoy your freedom.
 
Deploy dog
 
Interesting idea.
 
@Mr.kbok that literally tells you, the larger the diameter of the telescope, the farther it could see ...
 
12:41 PM
They are restless. Constantly at the door to check if she's coming back.
 
@chmod666telkitty Yes, but you talked about aperture
If you meant diameter, then yes.
 
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@StackedCrooked soms is de oplossing eenvoudig: powned.tv/nieuws/raar/2015/11/…
 
It did stop the crying.
Props for his problem solving skills.
 
@chmod666telkitty gotta admit that "make it bigger" is not always a practical solution esp. for space telescopes
 
12:46 PM
it also has to be ... out of space out in the space
coz turbulence in the atmosphere ...
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes: I sent you a rather urgent message.
 
Does "stack unwinding" refer to the cleanup process that occurs at the end of scope in general, or to the cleanup during exception handling?
 
user406009
Aren't the semantics exactly the same for both?
 
user406009
(Except for the trickiness of when an exception is thrown in a destructor)
 
sbi
I've only ever heard it referred to in the context of exceptions.
 
12:53 PM
@StackedCrooked Only exception handling
 
> Adding a subroutine's entry to the call stack is sometimes called "winding"; conversely, removing entries is "unwinding".
^ Wikipedia on "call stack" (not C++ specific)
 
It happens at the end of call not any scope
 
> As control passes from the point where an exception is thrown to a handler, destructors are invoked by a process, specified in this section, called stack unwinding.
 
@AndyProwl Ok.
 
15.2/1
 
12:54 PM
I sometimes refer to end-of-scope cleanup as "stack unwinding" for lack of a better term.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Well, given that, when exceptions are involved, dtors are called, this happens at the end of scopes as well.
Even though memory might indeed only be returned at the end of the function.
 
@sbi would Kate Gregory ever consider joining this chat?
 
Unwinding causes dtors to run, but is not synonymous with that
 
sbi
@chmod666telkitty I dunno. We have talked about me having spent time here, but I doubt she'd consider it. She's got a business to run and a family. You might find her in comp.lang.c++.moderatedthough. I'm not sure if anyone is still reading/posting there.
 
user1804599
rlwrap is great.
 
12:56 PM
and probably little patience with trolls
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Well, even if that is true (which I have doubts about), in order for dtors to run at scope end, unwinding will have to happen before the end of the function.
Well, I need to get back to work. Bye!
 

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