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11:00 AM
@Griwes She was clearly the most important part of it :P
 
lol
I should probably go through that game with someone else than a Sith sorcerer one of these days.
 
I don't get it, why do I desire to preload Fallout 4 today so much, even though I can't play it until November 10th? I am so excited for it. :/
 
How to LaTeX.
 
Is that Chopin's latest composition
 
Oh, boy, LaTeX.
 
11:02 AM
@Griwes As a tabletop RPG player I get very easily annoyed by all the railroading in computer RPGs, so I don't mind missing out on that shit if that means I get to play my character straight. (I didn't plan to play it like that, but then Force Storm happened)
 
@Morwenn ...LaTeX? I want to see the code for that.
 
@GregorMcGregor Nope, it's my sorting network of size 24. Apparently it doesn't use the documented merging technique for the best-known sorting network of size 24, but it seems to be equivalent.
 
What do you guys think, do you find seamless transitions in open world games to be an important factor to you? Being able to move from inside a ship, to the hull of the ship or to another ship you just intercepted in a snap would really be a blast.
 
@Morwenn how to humour
 
11:04 AM
@ElimGarak As opposed to?
 
Also, fuck one-box sometimes.
 
@Morwenn Thank you for the edit. :D
 
@Jefffrey As oppos... LOADING
 
@ElimGarak I think it's only bad if it's like TeS does it
with loading screens when entering and exiting houses
 
@GregorMcGregor Hey, at least your comment gave me the occasion to drop an explanation .____.
 
11:05 AM
I don't want unbalanced games in that regard either
 
@Morwenn I like how not crazy that looks.
 
One of the most infuriating things for me is the goshdarned Half Life intro loading blocks.
 
people who played Gothic 3 at release on medium to low hardware know that the open world came at the cost of a 10 minute or more initial loading :A
and the loading screens when teleporting from one corner of the map to another were painful
 
@AlexM. don't remind me of that
 
11:06 AM
@Griwes I didn't write the macros actually. So... no compliments for me :p
 
@Griwes the music was so good though
 
I still have flashbacks of sitting in front of my PC and waiting for it to load
 
the menu music
that climax
 
I should probably finish that game one day.
 
11:07 AM
I never got far really.
Oh, and I still haven't really played the Poziomkaz's mod for G1...
Damn, too many games to play. D:
And no time D:
 
@Griwes so you never got to hear this youtube.com/watch?v=XTOPX75hnU8
 
Wasn't G3 poorly received?
 
it was, especially by fans
it was a mess at release due to bad optimization and bugs
it took many patches for it to become playable
 
Two Worlds was not shit
it was the best balanced game between RPG and hack and slash imo
out of the trio (Oblivion, Gothic 3 and Two Worlds) I enjoyed TW the most while playing
 
11:11 AM
Yeah, but it was very troubled. :/ And also was poorly received, I think.
 
and liked Gothic 3 the most due to its history
 
@AlexM. nope. that's p. good
 
Ell
@Morwenn is there some kind of pattern to that?
 
@ElimGarak yes people still consider it bad
 
@AlexM. s/hi//?
 
11:12 AM
@Ell To what?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes history in the series
 
Ell
To that node drawing thing
 
as in, the history of the series
 
Just realized G3 and 2W were closely matched in reviews (63 and 65)
 
you get it
 
Ell
11:12 AM
Ah wait
 
Seasons of war tune, tho.
 
Ell
I just read it
 
it's hard not to treat gothic 3 specially when gothic is your favorite game
 
Oh, gawd, I love this tune. The first 20 seconds especially.
 
@ElimGarak yep
a local magazine gave two scores for gothic 3 at release, one for the game and one for the game if it were fixed as far as tech stuff goes
IIRC the fixed score was 9/10
 
no idea if you guys ever heard about this game but
Elveon got re-announced after being ded for many years
> The history of the Elveon project dates back into 2003 when a small team started working on an idea of a fantasy world and game that would bring to life a new perspective –
it's an action RPG with elves
 
@sehe over a year ago?! i don't recall…
 
if you liked elves in classic stuff like LoTR check this out
 
I remember Elveon, actually. But it dropped off the radar, never to be heard from again. Until now.
What the gaming world needs is some sci fi RPGs for a change. But of course, better to waste money on The Old Republic instead of KOTOR3.
 
11:18 AM
you mean Shadowrun?
and Wasteland 2?
and UnderRail?
 
I am a triple-A whore through and through. :/
 
@AlexM. I mean, most fantasy RPGs have elves.
 
Maybe exclusively elves? Although, I am not certain of the appeal.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes have you watched the trailers
everything looks like a 1:1 copy of what you can see in the LoTR movies if you ask me
 
LoTRiO
is that Bar thing still going on?
 
11:21 AM
LoTR elves are dicks. They're all jealous of humans because humans apparently received the best gifts: short lives. WTF.
 
LoTR elves piss me off too
 
LoTR pisses me off /hides
 
your life must really suck if you think a shorter life is better
 
OMG we're gonna live forever with this longing to go into the West.
 
Best game ever, bitches.
 
11:22 AM
@AlexM. Link?
 
Not sure if other people Googled Bridge Commander 2, or just me from the past.
 
the language is very similar too
 
You guys want to see our competition in Croatia?
 
this is an ancient combat trailer not from since the re-announcement youtube.com/watch?v=xLyL3Tr8BVk
 
If you like the West so much why the fuck did you ever leave. Just fuck off and die, seriously.
 
robot takes his lotr seriously
 
@AlexM. those graphics
 
@GregorMcGregor Still better than Legends of Dawn :D
 
yes well they probably didn't have the resources to turn the DX 12 and tesselation up in that
 
11:26 AM
well proper lighting and textures larger than 1x1 would be a good start
 
@ElimGarak lol, Kickscammer games.
Though I am really happy with Planetary Annihilation.
 
> Human Bandit Fighter
 
Planetary Annihilation was pretty good for a Kickstarter game. It came really close to what was promised.
 
is it a human bandit that fights
or is it a thing that fights human bandits
or is it a human that fights bandits
WE MAY NEVER KN
@R.MartinhoFernandes there are good kickstarted games
pillars of eternity, wasteland 2
and the best of them: divinity original sin
 
@ElimGarak It was on KS, raised a ton of $$$, launched without any significant technical issues, and delivered all the promised goodies.
 
11:29 AM
And this is how they did their KS campaign. All will be made clear at 0:44
 
@ElimGarak grill
take my $$$
 
Hi guys, I'm Zrinka. I am not really a game producer, but you're going to give me your money anyways.
 
"all bakers"
 
I like how she leans over the desk in the 2nd half
 
They were not completely satisfied with the games currently available, so they decided to make the biggest piece of shit in recent history.
 
11:30 AM
@AlexM. lol, boobs?
 
I cringed all the way through that video.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well it's not very in your face so you can call boobs like that
then again it's not like there's plenty to stand out in there
 
The only thing marginally respectful that came out of this country's game industry is Serious Sam. Which is a drunk college student's idea after playing Doom and Quake for a few years.
 
Doodle Jump was not really created in Croatia. It was developed by two guys in New York, whose lineage is somewhere half a kilometer up in Croatia. But the local news cling to shit like crazy.
 
11:34 AM
the girl sure is pretty tho
I think I might have paid $5
I'm weak against things like that
like when I saw telkitty's shooped boobs my first reaction was to unplonk but I resisted
 
Face doesn't matter to you?
 
Ell
Lol
 
@ElimGarak lol
 
Did I hear boobs?
>_>
<_<
 
11:37 AM
> Legends Of Dawn isn’t just bad, it’s an embarrassment to its developers and @steam_games for selling it.
This is the most intense burn I've ever read on IGN. It's like Cat Plus Plus wrote the review.
 
Oh didn't notice GitHub shows job ads.
 
I think Cat would've just written a one liner like "This game is terrible."
 
Speaking of Cat Plus Plus and reviews, someone didn't RTFM.
> It is almost impossible to play on keyboard. You need to plug in gamepad :/ Why I cannot use mouse :(
 
he's right though
 
11:40 AM
Also, wtf is it with (m/f) on job descriptions.
 
male female?
 
Fuck off HR people, you're terrible.
 
martinho/fernandes
8
 
@ElimGarak And (w/b) for white/black while at it.
 
@ElimGarak I too wait for cat to add mouse support
he thought of his game as being a couch multiplayer where everyone plays with controllers too much I think
 
11:41 AM
You can read m/f as "Only guys here, but if you're a chick, you can join, I guess"
 
and doesn't understand the hit the player takes when he starts the game and sees that he cannot use the mouse
 
It's not like it's an add for a prostitute position.
 
@ElimGarak "... Oh and chances increase if hot. Cheers"
 
which is what you're expecting to use for aiming on a PC game
 
Or modelling, I guess.
 
11:42 AM
Cocket Internet
 
> Who we're looking for

After obtaining your Bachelor’s degree or an equivalent professional education in a technical discipline, you were able to gain several years of relevant work experience in the software engineering field (...)
 
What's a Bachelor’s degree
 
Big turn-off: ’
 
Bartekor’s degree
 
I'll make a nice frag movie for Cat once he adds mouse support and I'm able to smash bunnies properly <3
 
11:44 AM
How to Unico’
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no trans people? I guess they don't like @Elyse
 
nobody likes @Elyse
 
@Mgetz It's not even that that annoys me.
 
> Elyse, who the fuck is Elyse
 
It's the fact that they think it's important. Like I'm not gonna consider a job if it doesn't say it accepts my gender.
 
user1804599
11:45 AM
@Mgetz most trans people are m or f
 
"Oh look, a job that accepts males! Let me check"
 
malicious/friendly
 
@ElimGarak (f/f)
 
This is actually standard practice in Germany AFAICT
 
friend or foe
 
11:46 AM
moist / f**kable. Brazzers Ltd.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes maybe it is mandatory.
 
user1804599
In NL you also see it a lot.
 
It's like the ads are written by PR people that are terrible at PR.
 
@ElimGarak You censor fuck, but not Brazzers. Interesting
 
user1804599
fuck*
 
user1804599
11:48 AM
*only anal
 
@Elyse Given that not all are like this, I don't think so.
It's just stupid business drones.
 
Job offer (promise, no sexual harassment)
 
user1804599
Maybe it is mandatory that a non-empty subset of all ads has it. :P
 
(Our male programmers have gone on dates and stuff)
 
@Rerito You know, in some Avenged Sevenfold music video, they censored a middle finger but there's still necrophilia and cannibalism in it.
 
user1804599
11:49 AM
ugh
 
@Elyse fair enough
 
user1804599
CodeIgniter rows() returns either non-empty array or empty array of SQL query results.
 
user1804599
That's good, right?
 
user1804599
Now, guess what row() returns.
 
user1804599
You'd say it'd return first row or NULL. No, it doesn't. It returns first row or empty array.
 
user1804599
11:49 AM
WTF
 
In Croatia, female programmers are a myth. But then again male programmers are as well. There's a lot of hipster web developers who think they matter, but that's just sad.
 
I can kind of understand if it's something like "Waiter" where one could thing "Oh waiters, not waitresses".
I.e. using "(m/f)" to overcome the fact that "Waiter" is ambiguous as male-specific or gender neutral.
 
@ElimGarak I am reminded of when the crusaders stormed through Jerusalem cutting beards
 
But "Engineer" is gender-neutral.
 
user1804599
maybe it means "muslim/feminist"
 
11:50 AM
Engineeress. Job offer (NASA) -> No Anita Sarkeesians Allowed.
 
must/fornicate
 
@ElimGarak true fact, I suspect the interviewers would walk out of the room (my sister works for NASA, is a feminist, and hates Anita Sarkeesian)
 
user1804599
Morwenn/Fanael
 
why would someone hate Anita Sarkeesians?
 
Search the Internet.
Don't spark that thing here.
 
user1804599
11:56 AM
IRTA "spank"
 
I don't think anybody wants to spank AS. Pun accidental, but with realization, intended.
 
@Morwenn Oh yeah, I know that one but can't remember the title
 
user1804599
don't spank AS
spank ASS
 
Trying to recall some of the lyrics to find it again
a little piece of heaven, there
 
I can't see many of her videos, youtube is filled with a bunch of videos of guys trying to troll her
 
11:58 AM
@Rerito You beat me by one second .___.
 
there's this job posting here for a librarian
 
weeeekend
bye clise
 
they made sure it was described as the most hellish job ever
but I guess on the flipside only the right candidates show up
 
Is it weird that the only thing that I remember from coming home from a party is how I paid for the taxi
 
11:59 AM
@AlexM. Sorry, that's taken:(
 
@GregorMcGregor bye, see you next monday
 
@Morwenn Once I had a song stuck in the head and couldn't remember the title for like 1 month
 
@CatPlusPlus Good, now fix mouse support in your game, bby.
 
@Rerito I've had like 4 seconds of some track in mind for weeks and I still can't identify it :(
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus no, because you're a Pole.
 
12:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus subconscious at work, cat, subconscious at work ...
 
@ElimGarak don't annoy him you singleton I don't want him to not fix it
 
It was sunshine of your love by cream
 
@CatPlusPlus The question is: how did you pay?
 
@CatPlusPlus I know that feel don't worry
 
@Morwenn Copy of the game, duh.
 
user1804599
12:01 PM
in kind
 
cat++ at a party ... that's what he was trying to tell us :p
 
user1804599
Yummy, potato sticks.
 
I found out two days later that the reason I woke up next to my new year's gift all broken and stuff is because I dropped it on the ground on my way home
 
@ElimGarak Sure, because making the exotic peoples from far away be of color is much much better.
 
Also, having prostitutes in games is a crime against humanity because prostitutes don't exist, never have and never will.
 
12:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes In france it's an obligation to put it
@ElimGarak mebbe witcher 3 happens in poland
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak What? Being a prostitute is actually quite easy. All you need to do is be a woman and show skin.
 
@Mr.kbok Jesus fuck.
 
In France, black people set shit on fire.
 
user1804599
Moses/fuck.
 
in france, they make good cheese
 
12:05 PM
@Mr.kbok Guess that guarantees I'm not taking a job in France.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's an old law. at the time it was a good idea.
 
Ell
hohboy twitchinstalls.com :P
2
this will be "fun"
 
@Mr.kbok I don't see how. What does putting it on the ad give you?
 
@Elyse your reason is why some women get raped
 
Men should take a stand against being represented as dicks in romantic comedies. Fire across the bow of the feminist ship. Menism.
 
12:07 PM
~because I bare my skin, I must want it~ <roll eyes>
 
@Elyse You also need to actually do the job.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes at the time of the law, many required one specific gender. you had to write down who you were looking for.
 
Sometimes they jizz before any touching.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes /r/antijokerobor
 
user1804599
Tony The Lion Industries is hiring: Prostitute (m/f) in Jungle
 
user1804599
12:09 PM
Is a male prostitute called a prostatute?
 
If you cba to translate:
 
Wait what?
 
I was once questioned by the police in the street for supposed prostitution.
 
It says it cannot have such references, no?
 
> No job offer can contain a reference to one of the characteristics mentioned in [...] working law: origin, gender, sexual orientation, age [...]
 
12:11 PM
 
user1804599
> Drama in Osijek: An argument broke out because the third man in the apartment?
 
user1804599
Sounds like a Yahoo! Answers question.
 
> The job offer must be redacted in a way that shows clearly that it is addressed indefferently to men and women. For instance "Cadre H/F" or "Employé(e)"
 
@Mr.kbok That's contrary to what you said.
@Mr.kbok Oh that.
 
Basically, two gays lived in an apartment together. The second gay caught the first gay with the third gay. Stabbed one of the gays and then the gay ran around naked and jumped off a roof, killing himself.
 
12:12 PM
My translation is a bit sloppy, but you get the point :)
 
Yeah, that gives you nothing for "Cadre" is already gender-neutral. There's no way to make it explicitly male or female.
@Mr.kbok I can read French.
 
oh lol
okay :)
 
Xeo
7 mins ago, by Ell
hohboy https://www.twitchinstalls.com/ :P
 
I would love to see the actual ratio of male/female composition in the core software development teams of microsoft/google/amazon
 
user1804599
12:14 PM
Should've done Gentoo.
 
user1804599
Arch is too easy.
 
@Xeo omg lol
 
@Xeo twitch writes non trivial templates in VS 2013 and not even update 1
 
Ven
LOL @ twitchinstalls. Holy'
 
it's offline?
 
12:18 PM
@Mr.kbok of course
there's only one thing on twitch that is worth watching right now
the dreamhack
 
dreamhack?
 
Ell
it's offline until halloween
 
@Mr.kbok a CS GO championship
it takes place in my city atm
 
@Morwenn Meh cops. Make sure they pay up-front.
 
I'm not a big fan of CS :s
I'd rather watch TPP while eating cereal
@Morwenn wtf?
 
Ven
12:20 PM
^
 
Ell
I thought prostitution was legal in most places
 
@Mr.kbok It was understandable: I was crossdressing and in the street where you could find protitutes at every crossroad. But still...
 
Any way to prevent the {} from hugging the identifier in VS automagically? I like my space.
 
Well, it was quite awkward.
 
@Ell It's legal in france but you're not allowed to advertize it
@Morwenn you were dressed too sluttily :p
 
12:22 PM
Honesty, they would very much like to make prostitution illegal in France.
 
I don't see why prostitution should be made illegal - if the guys want to pay and women want to provide, well ...
 
@Mr.kbok Not really: crop top + tight blue jeans.
@chmod711telkitty I don't either.
 
@Morwenn yeah, that's abusive
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok what is TPP?
 
@Ell Often, soliciting is not. Problem is the cops cannot tell if you are soliciting a John or a taxi, so they stop you anyway:(
 
12:23 PM
@Elyse twitch plays pokemon
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok what is CS?
 
@Elyse counter strike
 
user1804599
ok!
 
@Elyse also before you ask SFINAE is Substitution Failure Is Not An Error
 
Ven
neither an Elyse
 
12:24 PM
@Mr.kbok Who dreams that shit up? Also RAII :(
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok what is SFINAE?
 
@Mr.kbok Well, to be honest, I was with a friend who... whose cothes made her look like a prostitute. But still, I never witnessed the police annoy the prostitues in this street.
 
user1804599
Jun 13 '12 at 17:12, by FredOverflow
Substitution failure is not acceptable!
 
Ven
/me did see that in france, in smaller cities (but never in paris)
 
user1804599
I didn't read "see " and thought WHAT
 
12:26 PM
@Morwenn "OK, maybe I won't arrest you for soliciting, but I've got these jQuery and css problems.."
 
@MartinJames « Please just arrest me instead. »
5
 
Yeah, lol
 
@Elyse enable_if, essentially.
 
user1804599
Use of guillemets is punished with guillotine.
 
user1804599
12:30 PM
I love this scene.
 
Ell
> JuvenileRape
 
user1804599
lol
 
Ell
Substitution Failure Is Not An Option!
SFINAO
 
user1804599
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Q: Categorize a Computer virus

user3418993I am trying to learn how to categorize a virus. For example I have a file first challenge is to know is that file a virus or not without using any antivirus or website like virustotal. Second thing if I come to know that It is a virus than how would I put it into a category like Trozon,Worm etc....

 
user1804599
lol
 
Ell
12:33 PM
> Trozon
 
@ElimGarak Yes. It also depends on how fast the action before is. If I just killed an entire ship's crew and the change is to get into my ship to go away, I wouldn't mind a loading screen.
 
Do you think std::size_t read_some(..., boost::system::error_code & ec); is a good API? (It returns the number of bytes read or 0 if an error occurred.)
 
@Morwenn lol, I thought girls in brest dressed pretty tame
 
On the other hand, if I'm expecting action before boarding the enemy ship, then a loading screen would make me frustrated.
 
@Mr.kbok It was in Nantes. There are no prostitutes in Brest, only wind and rain.
 
12:37 PM
@Jefffrey Yeah, it is common to provide an option for a quick return in the form of a dialogue option.
Most "land" gaems do it nowadays, gaems worth playing.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Should return optional<non_zero_size_t> or either<non_zero_size_t, error_code>.
 
@Morwenn oh, you were on bitch street :P
notorious
 
user1804599
Right now the compiler doesn't verify that you check for 0.
 
user1804599
So it's easy to make mistakes.
 
@StackedCrooked I don't see much wrong with it.
 
user406009
12:39 PM
@ElimGarak I don't think it's that important. Usually you don't transition that often.
 
@Mr.kbok Yeah, I only had to walk 5~10 minutes to go there.
 
The 0 return is just incidental for completeness sake; code that cares tests against ec, not the return.
 
user1804599
Oh, I see.
 
user1804599
Same principle applies; compiler doesn't verify you check error code.
 
@ElimGarak Shadow of Mordor is horrible in that aspect. You enter mission region, you start the mission (the player is already at the mission start point) you get 15s loading time. Cut scene ensues. loading time. second cut scene. loading time. you can play.
 
user1804599
12:41 PM
Missed opportunity for automatic bug detector use.
 
The first cut scene is like 2s long but I think it's cropped by the loading screen a bit so you only get 1s of it
 
user406009
Sometimes I just want to say "screw boost::variant" and use enums.
 
@MartinJames In the US that would be illegal as "cruel and unusual punishment" (though they'd probably do it anyway, of course).
 
user1804599
Rust enums ftw.
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah:)
 
12:46 PM
This week's cppcast with Alexandrescu is kinda interesting.
 
soliciting? ... But I am a http post request :'(
 
user1804599
What is it about?
 
About D, C++ and some other stuff.
He also talked about how sometimes an entire community can miss a point.
 
^ i am shocked
Andrei talking about D and C++ - what a surprise ^^
 
He's also planning to write a book titled Fastware.
 
12:50 PM
like software, but fast ™
 
It's catalog of paraphernalia that can be used when fasting.
 
pa.ra.pher.na.li.a
 
@ScarletAmaranth I tried to author a book called 'Workingware', but hit some sort of writers' block.
 
@MartinJames ahahahah
 
I guess I'll have to golgoegl that.
 
12:58 PM
lol @ alt text on 450
 

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