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3:01 PM
fucking trains. who the hell schedules Leeds and Lincoln both at 13:17? i'm so far off piste now it's not even funny
the main problem with VS as an IDE is that it is almost amusingly ugly
menu bar in all caps wot
it's like some genius said "right let's make our desktop application look as much like our really crappily designed website as possible" and everyone else went along with it
 
I thought that too when it was first released (2012?)
I got used to it
 
after all, it did get better.. since 2003 =)
 
when someone around you is farting constantly you get used to that too
 
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Q: How to disable all caps menu titles in Visual Studio

CjCoaxI assume the title is self explanatory. Just want to change the look of the Visual Studio 2012 not to show menu title in all capital letters.

simple fix
 
3:07 PM
shouldn't be necessary
there's clearly a culture of suck over there
hey @R.M what do you think of Visual Studio?
 
@milleniumbug I never understood why people get so worked up over all caps menu titles
 
user1804599
oh mathjax has a new website
 
cos it means someone is a shitty designer and that's an affront or something
 
@Mysticial 25 \o/
 
@Borgleader They're shouting at me. Do I need another reason?
 
3:15 PM
@milleniumbug At least HELP is appropriate then
 
user1804599
In the news they said the guy's gun was fake but "indistinguishable from a real one."
 
user1804599
But if it's indistinguishable from a real one, how do they know it's fake?
 
imagine the news being presented by programmers
 
user1804599
If it's indistinguishable from a real one, can it even be considered fake?
 
3:18 PM
@рытфолд by firing it at person and see if he dies
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked If he doesn't die, then you can distinguish it by that.
 
user1804599
Be sure to also test it with a known real gun.
 
yeah
we need double blind tests
 
user1804599
Repeat until he dies.
 
user1804599
Make the guy take slow poison pills so the algorithm terminates more quickly.
 
user1804599
3:21 PM
It's a breaking optimisation, but people are leaky abstractions anyway.
 
user1804599
They can die for reasons other than the gunshot at the same moment.
 
user1804599
It's a race condition.
 
@рытфолд damn
but we can bring the coredump to the autopsy
 
user1804599
Maybe we should instead put immutable humans on a queue and try it on clones of them.
 
3:24 PM
cool
> Neerlandici
TIL a new word
 
user1804599
TIL TYL a new word
 
TYL that TYL IANW.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
much illuminati
 
Luminarty strikes again.
 
user1804599
3:28 PM
facebook.com/illuminatiam lol it's verified!
 
user1804599
genius
 
4:33 PM
ohhh
well that was never gonna work.
 
keep us informed
 
   A specification that has been superseded by a more recent
   specification or is for any other reason considered to be obsolete is
   assigned to the "Historic" level.  (Purists have suggested that the
   word should be "Historical"; however, at this point the use of
   "Historic" is historical.)
 
user1804599
4:58 PM
this edition is nice: sarabander.github.io/sicp
 
user1804599
much better formatted than the official HTML version
 
Everything is nice
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
It's nice.
 
> feature {NONE}
what a full featured app
 
user1804599
5:04 PM
That means that the following features are accessible only to instances of HELLO and instances of NONE.
 
Seems just like any other language out there.
 
user1804599
Since there are no instances of NONE, feature {NONE} is equivalent to C++' private:.
 
Give me more static analysis tools damnit.
 
@Jefffrey Eiffel actually has quite a bit of support for Design by Contract (that's its real claim to fame).
 
user1804599
That's dynamic checking, not static analysis.
 
user1804599
5:06 PM
Although there are probably static analysis tools utilising it, similar to what the Spec# compiler does.
 
5:28 PM
hmm
do any of you guys have existing range libraries?
I don't need anything super-sweet
 
Ell
No. I have lots of linker errors though
 
what did you do, try to build Wide again?
 
Ell
Actually that's a lie. I have one dynamic linking library
@Puppy No, tried to run my programme that successfully compiled and linked :P
 
lol
 
Ell
It turns out I have lots of libstdc++s on my system
/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/libstdc++.so
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.19
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.19
/usr/libexec/autopackage/libstdc++.so.5.0.7
/usr/libexec/autopackage/libstdc++.so.6.0.9
/usr/local/lib32/libstdc++.so.6.0.20
/usr/local/lib64/libstdc++.so.6.0.20
I get this erorr
./bin/main: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version 'GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found (required by /usr/local/lib/libboost_filesystem.so.1.57.0)
 
user1804599
5:31 PM
> I believe I've got one of the best jobs in existence. I get to train software developers …
 
Ell
I've tried telling it to use the other version but it doesn't want to :3
 
I've already got a bunch of range stuff in Wide which would more than suffice for my needs :(
 
Ell
Oh hey. I just fixed it
kinda
 
@рытфолд Yes--my point was that static analysis wasn't/isn't really what Eiffel was designed for.
 
maybe Niebler has the range goodies I need
or hell, even boost::range
 
5:45 PM
@Ell Step 1 in debugging those is to ldd the executable to see what it needs.
 
hmmm
maybe I could simplificate my requirements somewhat.
 
Ell
@LucDanton Yeah. I'm just not sure why boost build with 3.4.20 whereas my program is building with 3.4.19
 
@Puppy Between the two, I'd prefer Neibler's code without a second thought.
 
Ell
I can set LD_LIBRARY_PATH but it seems that something in my system is wrong
 
I would expect ld to be aware of those locations you listed already.
 
5:48 PM
@JerryCoffin Personally I'd just much rather have the Wide ranges I already wrote.
but C++ won't support it, at least, not without a great deal more effort.
 
Ell
@LucDanton does ld do the dynamic linking when you start your programme?
 
as soon as Clang supports MSVC ABI, I just have to implement it and then can kiss goodbye to having to write my compiler in C++.
 
@spectre I don't indeed. But trying to hide your footsteps is dubious ethics no matter what business. Note how I expressly did not accuse/judge. But I do think you ought to have convincing arguments to enlist help achieving this dubious goal. The fact that you apparently cannot reach the basic conclusions on your own (you can't reliably erase your tracks) tells me that you're likely not in the kind of business that requires this for legitimate reasons. Just my hunch. — sehe 6 secs ago
Already toned down the markdown. It tends to come out stronger than I anticipate
 
@Ell It’s actually ld.so I believe, but they do a lot of common work in any case—e.g. they have to consistently find the same libraries and link the symbols in the same order and so on.
 
@JerryCoffin I'd prefer Niebler's design, without a hitch, but I think I'll go with Boost for tested/support
 
Ell
5:51 PM
yeah
the problem occurred when I rebuilt boost
 
Or ld-linux.so for actual Elf executables is it turns out.
 
Ell
which to me suggests that boost build with a more recent libstdc++ than my gcc was built with, but that doesn't sound right at all
 
user1804599
What kind of application shall I make?
 
user1804599
I can write Hexapoda in Eiffel!
 
@Ell The libstdc++ that GCC was actually built with should not matter.
 
Ell
5:53 PM
Oh
Hmm according to ldd, my programme is linked with 3.4.20 version
oh that's after setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH
 
@Puppy Notice I specified "Between the two...".
 
@JerryCoffin Very true.
 
@sehe That would depend on the situation. For a product that I needed to finish and get on the market soon, I'd agree that Boost is probably preferable. In this case, however, it's basically a race between Eric and Puppy, and (no insult intended, but...) my bet's on Eric.
 
you prefer Eric's range design over mine?
 
6:09 PM
I think you just broke Puppy's heart Jerry
 
not at all just curious
 
I was kidding
 
after all
there's no real comparison since Niebler is building new ranges into an existing language and I'm trying to build a whole new language.
 
@Puppy No, I'm saying in a race between your development of the Wide compiler and Eric's development of his ranges code, I'm betting that he finishes more faster than you do (though that's an easy bet--you're taking on a much larger task than he is).
The net effect is that I think the chance of the Wide compiler being delayed significantly by bugs, redesigns, etc., of Eric's ranges is pretty minimal.
And now for something completely different: a man some code with three buttocks.
 
it's true that I won't be delayed by bugs in Eric's code.
I'm not sure what you were trying to say there.
 
6:16 PM
@Puppy Exactly that.
 
Eric probably won't be delayed by bugs in Wide either :P
 
@Puppy Probably not...
 
so what I'm saying is, you saying that makes no sense to me so perhaps you would care to expand upon that point
 
@LucDanton Thanks again for the help. I think I will try to do something simpler altogether--I'll try to get the items to be in separate ranges from the get-go. But I will keep thinking your solution over and try to figure out if it is viable for my environment. I am stuck in C++03 and usually try to avoid using Boost (because coworkers) unless the benefit is too huge not to. In this case I think refactoring elsewhere will let me get away with something simpler.
 
@Puppy I'm not sure what there is to explain. You were talking about using some ranges, apparently in C++. I said between Boost Ranges and Eric Neibler's ranges, I'd prefer Eric's. Sehe interjected that better testing/support might make Boost preferable. I replied that I didn't think bugs in Eric's code would be a problem in this situation. You agreed.
 
user1804599
6:20 PM
Warning: unreferenced local variable(s)
What to do: Remove it if you don't plan to use it in the future.
 
user1804599
lol, compiler gives programming 101 course
 
I find your expanded version much more comprehensible.
 
Bored. @Cat, @Puppy wanna play PA?
 
sure
 
I'll be home in some 20 minutes.
 
6:22 PM
I need to work
 
Steam me when you get in
 
That sounds kinky
 
6:45 PM
Is it possible to make an animated wallpaper by somehow rendering to the desktop?
 
Don't
 
@Borgleader seems like it would depend on OS and DE
 
Windows 7
 
I vaguely remember animated desktop wallpapers in old versions of windows from music visualizers and stuff, so it might be possible lol
 
Weren't those screensavers?
 
6:51 PM
nope ... oh man that takes me back
 
lol that's awful
or rather, not awful
it somehow gives me nausea
 
Oh they released the source code for Milkdrop
I just need to figure out the desktop part
i dont care about the beat thing
 
@Pris "live desktop". Among the many bad ideas in Windows over the years, this was one of the worst.
 
gaaaaaaasp i remember that
i remember setting my wallpaper to a webpage or something
oh god
I wouldn't mind having this as my wallpaper: youtube.com/…
 
Don't draw on windows that don't belong to you
 
7:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus The desktop is mine D:
Besides... how else am I supposed to make an animated wallpaper if I don't draw on the desktop?
 
You're not
Also wallpapers are dumb and animated ones are extra dumb
 
Says you.
 
Experimental Quiz:
What language is spoken in South America?
What is the largest country in South America?
What language is spoken in that country?
TIL :P
 
@StackedCrooked "languages are", perhaps?
 
^ this
 
7:05 PM
@JerryCoffin idd :)
 
The answer is 'Belgium'
3
 
Correct.
 
Hi dudes.! Newbie here... I have a question...

I'm using a cross platform serial port library - http://wjwwood.io/serial/ - It's very good, but it's short on examples, and I'm low on experience. The problem I have is in creating a reference to an open port that can be shared in classes I create:

void test(){
serial::Serial myConnection(portName, etc);
string buffer = string result = mySerial.read();
}

From what I understand, 'myConnection' will only be available to the 'test' function block. How would I make that value static?
 
@StackedCrooked That is the dumbest shortcut ever
 
@Charlie Questions are for SO. This is chat.
 
7:06 PM
Boo - urns!
My mistake.
What language is spoken in South America? Multiple languages... Duh...
 
@Borgleader What about questions formulated in a chatty way?
 
@Charlie Brazil speaks Portuguese (although @R.MartinhoFernandes might take offense to that). The rest speaks of Spanish.
 
@Charlie you can add the static keyword
itd make more sense to pass the reference around though
 
(The whole purpose of my answer was to jab the robot)
 
Jab it real good.
 
7:09 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Don't they speak French in Guadelope and Guyana?
 
@Charlie Maybe.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ...other than the countries that speak French, Dutch, and English.
 
@JerryCoffin These are inconsequential.
If you speak Dutch, you're obviously not important on the world stage.
Same thing for French.
For English, however...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Interesting that you would consider French inconsequential... :-)
 
@JerryCoffin Self-deprecation, man.
 
7:10 PM
@Pris Cheers for the suggestion Pris... Is it as simple as adding "static serial::Serial myConnection(portName, etc);" Cause' that just doesn't seem right...
 
I really have to explain everything today.
 
@EtiennedeMartel We'll have to pitch "Etienne Explains it all" to Disney as a kids show.
 
Would probably just be me snarking the whole time.
 
I'm on board
 
@Charlie yes, the variable with 'static' in front of it will only be initialized once. but imo its nicer and clearer to pass a reference around
 
7:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel It'd have to be better than Barney!
 
@EtiennedeMartel Since you're a big fan of LoL, I figured I'd ask. Do you play HotS?
 
user1804599
Good.
 
user1804599
My code works great.
 
Whether or not std::random_device is truly random depends on the system, right?
 
@Pris : That sounds cool and all, but I'm a newb... A quick clue as to how I might do that please (sorry borgy...)?
 
7:18 PM
@Blob Correct: "If implementation limitations prevent generating non-deterministic random numbers, the implementation may employ a random number engine."
 
And what do people see in MOBA's anyway? They're boring ass games...
 
It's 21st century's greatest mystery
 
@Borgleader I got in the beta. Played the tutorial. That's pretty much it.
 
@Charlie google the different ways of passing arguments to functions in C++ if you want to pass references around, google the static keyword in C++ free functions if you want to go that route
 
@Charlie In short, of all the 8 possible things someone is looking in for a game, a MOBA fulfills 6 of them.
 
7:22 PM
@Pris That's a good enough starting point for me. Thank you. :]
@EtiennedeMartel Pfft! Indulge me...
 
From those, a MOBA covers: sensation, fantasy, challenge, fellowship, expression and submission.
 
don't use mutable static variables.
 
@EtiennedeMartel 'Competition' is conspicous by it's absence in that list...
 
@Charlie It's covered by "challenge" and "fellowship".
MOBAs are also easy to monetize from a freemium perspective, so most of them end up being free to play, which makes them more accessible. All in all, they're fun and easy to pick up.
 
@Puppy I know... It would be the foulest thing. What I want to do, is make it a private property of a custom class. Pris suggestion should help enough.
 
7:28 PM
if it's static and mutable it's just as bad.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Never played a MOBA. Tried watching the big competitions on Twich... So. Much. Hype. But it's so facking boring. Starcraft 2 is great though...
 
SC2 competition is fucking awesome sometimes
 
@Charlie I thought LoL was boring to watch until I started playing it.
I'm guessing anybody would think the same of SC2 if they never played it.
 
frankly, I think playing SC2 is boring and it was just as boring before I started watching it
 
@Puppy It's very well commentated, I think that helps. Starcraft is also more visceral.
 
7:30 PM
Boring? SC2 is stressful.
 
it's stressful in a boring way.
 
@Charlie Again, you only think so because you're playing it.
 
you're doing jobs that should be done by a machine, like repeat-building units.
or watching the minimap for drops
 
@EtiennedeMartel No.. No... I haven't been playing it. That's the thing.
Dammit! variables by reference... You see, the main reason for the question, is because I'll need to write a 'close' method that will close myConnection... I'll work it out eventually. Cheers for the halp. :]
 
user1804599
My code is so beautiful.
 
7:42 PM
rating the beauty of your own code is a little biased innit
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
movie for free
 
@рытфолд Free, and still worth less than it costs.
 
For some reason this looks funny to me:
 
> Penny: Um, you know it's kinda early. Do you wanna maybe come in for some coffee or something?
Stuart: Oh gee, its a little late for coffee isn't it?
Penny: Aw, you think coffee means coffee. That is so sweet.
I don't know why it made me think of ^
 
7:55 PM
Something like that indeed :D
 
@StackedCrooked sounds good
I always wanted to know about
cough
inserting cartridges
4
 
I can star things now, mine fell off the starboard
RIP 25 stars
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked :v
 
Toxikk is nice
if the devs keep on being as active as they are now
it will be a serious competitor for the new UT
 
8:01 PM
Except that new UT is free
 
@StackedCrooked what anime is that btw
it reminds me of toradora's art
 
user1804599
what is UT
 
@CatPlusPlus free games scare me
Epic still has time to turn that free into pay2win
 
@AlexM. Don't you know how to practice safe printing?
 
@AlexM. it is toradora
 
8:03 PM
who is that character then
I so don't remember that scene
 
some minor character I think (teacher?)
 
lol
I don't remember anything about this character
I barely remember anything from that anime actually
just the ending
and all the scenes in which there was a trace of ami kawashima
 
their f2p model is that there will be a UT store where mods and maps can be sold
 
fap to play
4
 
so you pay for maps
 
8:06 PM
and epic games will get a cut like app stores. also everyone who makes a mod or map will be using UE4 so thats more money for epic
 
I dunno how I feel about that
I'd rather pay for skins
 
you get default maps, im talking about a store for user created content
so you can make a map, put it on their store and charge like $2 for it... etc
 
Unity > UE4
I don't like recurring payments for membership, I'd rather pay upfront and keep it forever.
 
@AlexM. Toradora indeed :P
 
@Nooble AFAIK you can stop paying for UE4, you just don't get the updates ?
 
8:11 PM
yes
 
you have to pay to distribute your game though dont you?
 
no
 
no
 
you pay the 5%
> Subscriptions are per person. You are free to cancel anytime and continue using the versions you redeemed or paid for.

When releasing a product using UE4, you’re signing up to pay Epic 5% of gross revenue. Please see the EULA for details and exemptions.
 
only if you make over $3.5k that month.
 
8:12 PM
@Borgleader Looks like you're right, but still, doesn't UE4 take royalties? IIRC Unity doesn't, just upfront cost.
 
@рытфолд Unreal Tournament?
 
user1804599
I see.
 
I think I'll get UE4 next month and try to learn how it works
 
@Nooble Royalties != Monthlee fee. I was responding to the monthly subscription thing.
And even then 5% is not that much.
 
@Nooble The royalties are based on gross income. You only have to pay them if your game makes over $3500.
Oh it's $3000.
 
8:16 PM
i want the epic guys to write a book about the UE4 architecture... id buy that
 
5% can make the difference between breaking even or flop. Especially when coupled with publisher costs
 
just second... coming up


... ready: "Your code sucks!". There
Hi
 
@Nooble Not really.
 
@StackedCrooked why did she use the scissors on her hair?
 
she is kinda crazy
@milleniumbug good call
 
8:19 PM
@Nooble No
 
@JerryCoffin afair it was "ActiveDesktop"
 
@Nooble You know distribution fees on Steam and what not is around 30% right?
 
@Rapptz Yes.
 
user1804599
Is vi a safe default for EDITOR environment variable?
 
user1804599
8:23 PM
I.e. when EDITOR is not set, assume vi?
 
@StackedCrooked He has potential
 
@Nooble Erf.
Sure, UE is more expensive, but it's also better.
Also, Unity has severe issues with collaboration.
 
gross * 0.05 = $1500
 
Basically, if you're one guy building a prototype, sure. If you have an actual team building an actual game, UE is better.
 
gross = $30000
so it's more expensive if you make >$30k in sales on your game
 
8:25 PM
@рытфолд No, you should scan
 
user1804599
OK.
 
Or do distro-specific default
 
0
Q: Seeking help for C++ project

allendks45Beginner here having extremely difficult time with a project. I've gone about as far as I can. Spent last 12 hours and days trying to figure out where to go to at least get some sort of program written. Even my menu function doesn't exit like I want it too. I'm calling functions within functions ...

so uh... what was the question
i feel bad for people like that though, it sucks when your teachers dont do anything useful
 
Lesson learned: Don't take online classes.
 
@sehe Oops--I think you're right.
 
8:40 PM
Brb, typing up an answer and it gets closed
 
Xeo
om nom nom.
Turkey fillet with metaxa sauce, gratinated with feta and mozzarella. Also, gnocchi.
 
Why are smart people more likely to go insane?
 
because they're more capable of perceiving the insanity of the world
 
Xeo
Loaded question. Are they?
 
yes
 
8:49 PM
I believe it all comes down to choosing the fucks to give. If you give fucks about everything and you're smart, clearly you will go insane. But limit it to the important things and it becomes easier. But it's about knowing what's important and what's not...even then it's still reasonably hard
 
Man, I've only used an SSD for 1 month, and I already get impatient the moment I use something that doesn't have an SSD.
 
@Xeo Would you like to share?
@Mysticial You weren't using SSD's before?
 
Xeo
@Nooble All gone
 
@Xeo :(
 
@Nooble Not until I built my 5960X rig over the holidays.
 
8:52 PM
@Mysticial Can you imagine when we'll have SSD's that are not limited by SATA bandwidth? :D
 
@Borgleader SSD bandwidth is already overkill for normal users.
 
@Mysticial I can still see more bandwidth making loading times shorter for games
 
@Borgleader Games do not need to load 2 GB of data from disk into memory.
 
1GBps write pls
 
Xeo
@Nooble Too tasty
 
8:53 PM
Right now, SSDs will pull about 500 MB/s over SATA III.
 
i have no ssd.. or graphics card.. or decent microprocessor
:C
 
@Blob Get out
j/k
 
@Blob You use an MPU?
@Borgleader Use RAID 0
 
@Blob Oh.. so you're nearly dead, then.
 
@Nooble mpu?
 
8:55 PM
holy PHUCK these people delivered chicken to me in 20 mins!!!!
they usually take over an hour
 
It's not that embedded devs are dumb. It's just that the worst threat they're used to facing is someone tipping the Coke machine.
 
@Blob Microprocessor.
 
@Xeo OK, now I have to go shopping for nice food again.
 
With a decent SSD, I think we're at the point right now where program startup times are probably limited by bad programming rather than hardware.
 
@Nooble intel i5. not that "bad", but not exactly great.
 
8:56 PM
 
@Mysticial Oh - you mean Java and .NET runtimes?
 
@MartinJames Whatever the case is. When I boot up say Visual Studio, it doesn't use disk nor CPU. It just takes time. The only thing that takes time without using CPU or disk would be sleep(). Or a bad scheduler that uses polling.
 
@jalf ^ Raptor (missing the finish coat and a small splash of blue on the engine exhausts)
 
@Borgleader I recongnized that. It's quite old indeed
 
@Mysticial Empirically, all .NET managed executables take forever to start up compared with native, unmanaged exe's.
 
Xeo
8:59 PM
@MartinJames Plan success.
 

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