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8:19 AM
What is mllatex (related to TeX) and what does it do?
 
could it be latex written in ml? shot in the dark
 
@JohanLarsson I have no idea. My Google searches return some retarded children latex accessories and bottles for that.
 
@caps That seems to claim mllatex is an alias for pdftex.
 
@wilx have you tried quotes?
Goodnight
 
8:26 AM
I have tried many things. :)
 
@wilx It might be like LuaTeX but with ML instead.
I use LaTeX a lot but I can't seem to recall mllatex existing.
Well.
 
@Rapptz I thought about that as well.
 
Actually running it
It's just an alias for pdfTeX
 
But why? :)
 
well it's pdfTeX -enable-mltex I suppose.
 
8:31 AM
Well, ld can be an alias for Gold, but that doesn’t make Gold ld.
iow you can name an executable/symlink whatever you want
 
It stands for multi language LaTeX.
that's what I've gotten out of this anyway
I've never used it obviously
 
Maybe it’s intended that the document language can be set via the command line/executable name then?
 
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Q: Specifying multiple hyphenation exception lists for multi-lingual documents

lockstep This question led to a new feature in a package: babel By default, (La)TeX fails at hyphenating some words, e.g., the English word potable (should be pot-able) or the German word Mor-dop-fer (murder victim, should be Mord-op-fer). There are two strategies to achieve correct hyphenation: ...

Relevant? If so, that’s quite cool.
 
Case closed?!
Hm..
Learn more SQL or play some vidya..
decisions decisions..
 
8:39 AM
are you planning to use sql for something or is it just learning?
 
Just learning
I actually haven't learned anything new yet.
Just relearned stuff I already knew.
 
Hi c++ people! For a while I've been trying to work out how to implement connected components labelling in c/c++, but consider components (pixels of a binary raster image) connected if they fall within a given Euclidean distance. Is there a name for this type of CCL?
 
are you watching a tutorial | reading a book | poking around?
 
(i.e. allow gaps rather than simply looking at 4 or 8-connectedness)
 
8:42 AM
Starred it for future reference.
Not sure I want to learn much sql though.
I think dbs can lower the quality of life.
 
set theory is fun
famous last words
 
heh
 
Looks ok.
(I'm only trying it because Steam Roulette picked it for me)
 
What’s the point of selecting a game, if it’s a game from your library?
(I don’t think f2p is a redeeming feature here)
 
I have 150 games.
77% of which I've never played before.
 
8:48 AM
Oh, it’s for crazy people. Alright then.
 
Indeed.
I was bored yesterday and used a program to organise my Steam games by category
 
I have 92 games, is there a way to see how much I’ve played them so that I can say 'get on my level' to your face?
 
@Rapptz Wait. "My games" and those are just the categories?!
o.O o.O o.O
 
Yup.
 
8:51 AM
@sehe Get on his level.
 
@sehe Are you a gamer?
 
It seems you weren't just bored yesterday
@JohanLarsson Nope
 
I'll have you guys know that 77% statistic is now 76%.
 
@Rapptz How convenient, I can login through Steam and then my profile is still private and out of reach.
 
Yeah private Steam profiles are really limiting.
Can't do anything with them.
Most people won't even trade with you either because they assume you're a bot lol.
150 games with a total value of 1589€
games are expensive there
 
8:54 AM
Really?
 
Oh nvm the USD price is similar :(
$1769
 
'ssh user@remote sh - < mylocalscript.sh ` If I use this command in client, can server save the log of commands in mylocalscript.sh? Because security reason, I dont' want server side know the commands in mylocalscript.sh — spectre 5 hours ago
o.O
 
seems legit
 
Very. I sent him on his way
 
Fancy.
 
8:57 AM
22% not played, get on my level
 
:v
I still have games from the Winter Sale I haven't played yet.
:(
 
Mmmh does it take into account the gift inventory?
 
Nope
F2P games are usually bad but sometimes there are those that are good.
 
Oh okay. Is your 76% figure accurate btw? I have many games 'not played' because I played them before Steam kept records, that and the f2p games that are automatically part of the account makes the most of it.
 
Usually on Steam people will quickly dismiss a game for being P2W or whatever.
@LucDanton Naw. I have a lot of games that don't have time that I know I've played too.
I don't know where these random F2P games came into my inventory.
 
9:02 AM
k because 75% is a bit high if you don’t mind my saying
 
but they make up like 5 of my games.
It's probably still around 70% though.
 
@Rapptz looked at them funny in the shop or whatever
I have ~6 games in my inventory that I haven’t played.
@Rapptz 94 for 1075€
 
You must play a lot of AAA games :p
 
Highest price is 40€. Which doesn’t mean anything since it reflects today’s price, and I’m not purchasing as many high cost games these days. So I don’t know what to answer.
 
I was kidding
my most expensive game is $60 (bought it for $30 though) which is Arma 3
 
9:07 AM
wtf BiS
Whoah, 45€ one year later
 
yeah that game is never on sale lol
$30 is its cheapest price
let's see how this F2P PVP game works out.
if it's any fun I'll let you guys know
I usually shit on F2P games though
 
I can recommend Path of Exile as a F2P that does microtransactions right.
 
Well this game doesn't have microtransactions that buy you power.
Apparently.
Hence why I'm trying it
 
Well I also play PoE because it’s balls to the wall awesome :)
 
Torchlight II is fun.
If you're into ARPGs.
One of the best ones I've played.
 
9:16 AM
Almost 200h on record, 110h on the first one.
 
:)
2nd one was great.
 
Yeah it was, some builds I really miss because I can’t emulate them in PoE.
@Rapptz GW2 has okay transactions, although it is on top of a regular price. But there’s an expansion under way!
 
I'm hoping MapleStory 2 will have decent F2P system
But given that it's published by Nexon, realistically the chances of it happening is 0.
 
lol
Isn’t it also well into the realm of crazy grinding games?
 
I don't mind grind as long as I can have some fun doing it.
Like, e.g. talking to friends or having juicy looking skills to stare at.
 
9:25 AM
You’re the worst!
 
It's very hard to enjoy grind, even if I downplay it lol.
Most 3D MMOs have ugly looking skills or terrible ways of communicating with others.
 
You don’t like red circles/disks on the ground and particle effects?
 
Auto-aim is the worst.
If I wanna grind I wanna at least have fun with it, not be some brain dead guy pressing one button :(
Like I guess technically ARPGs are grindy but I don't notice it while playing because it masks it under fun.
 
Eh, disagree. If the core gameplay is doing X, then that’s it. If you do X to unlock/get access to/have the currency for Y, that’s what’s terrible about it.
 
Oh that's what you meant by grind.
 
9:30 AM
Hehe xkcd shirts retrieved!
 
My definition of grind is "training to level to unlock skills/skill points"
 
@Rapptz And I gathered you were more interested in talking the decision-making aspects of it?
@Rapptz Right, unlocks!
 
Doing X to get Y is what I would call Questing.
 
I didn’t say 'get' :(
 
'get access to'?
 
9:31 AM
E.g. level-gated content, you have to fill your XP bar.
 
well yeah that's grinding
 
k you care more about the skills, I care about just anything that constitutes gameplay (or the means to it).
 
A lot of games hide that very well though to the point where I don't notice it unless I go out of my way to do it.
If I had to actually grind because the game progression was poor when I got to that area then that's just bad game design.
 
@Rapptz I suppose (no first-hand experience, unless GW2 falls into that) it’s like this nowadays, but I still think it has no value whatsoever.
 
In recent memory I think I've only ran into that with WoW and that was eons ago.
@LucDanton Well why would you want to go to a level 15x area if you're level 11x or whatever?
The mobs will most likely kill you.
 
9:35 AM
Right, that’s level-gating. It doesn’t have to be a 'you must be this tall to enter the zone' sign.
If the zone has to be dangerous, I want it to be dangerous on the face of it, not because it has inflated stats.
 
There was an Extra Credits video about this.
I can't remember which.
They have.. a lot of videos on F2P and MMOs.
 
it’s okay
 
Oh yeah.
It was their Power Creep video.
It had to do with player stats but I think it's applicable to mobs too.
Like e.g. instead of raising their attack only they could also raise their attack slightly and give each mob a different ability such as freezing you.
the conclusion was something along the lines of "it's harder to design enemies like that because it involves more effort than just changing numerical data"
obvious I'm sure
Video also reminds me of PoE.
Because items don't just increase your stats, they give you skills too.
So it's more than just minmaxing IMO.
 
You can still end up with an RPGesque gating with that mindset. E.g. GW2 has fractals which difficulty you can set—they get genuinely harder, but attacks also inflict 'agony' which only mitigation is having enough agony resistance on gear. Because the final boss fight will inflict you with agony (regardless of evades/invulnerabilities), you are gated by your amount of AR.
@Rapptz That’s it’s lazy and easy(ish) makes it worse to me.
It’s too bad because Fractals are really interesting and challenging on hard difficulties, doing them on repeat on easier difficulties (which is how you raise your AR) gets old fast.
 
GW2 is just initial investment right?
 
9:45 AM
tl;dr fuck the 'RPG' interpretation of vidya gaem, make games of skills!
@Rapptz A vanilla account has a low-ish number of character slots (5?) and limited bank space, both of which can be improved by not-so-micro transactions. I leave to you do decide whether that’s ethical.
 
Damn.
The worst kind.
Paying for slots is the worst fucking idea.
 
Also the game is on full price most of the time, last week-end was 75% off which is the usual reduction, it happens from time to time.
@Rapptz I forgot but there’s another thing
The game allows you to do gold <-> real money currency (gems) trades. So anything that’s on sale on the trading post (aka auction house), you can get for real money.
which still doesn’t prevent gold sellers, so it’s the worse of both worlds if you’re glass half-empty
 
@Rapptz I don’t like recommending games you can’t try though, if you feel you won’t like the game don’t buy it just from my say-so :(
I’ve probably watched that
 
Mobile games are the worst.
 
10:01 AM
What does 'never sell power' mean?
 
The premise of this game is neat.
@JohanLarsson Like paying $5 to get a set equipment that you can only pay to have that has good stats.
Alienates free to play players and causes imbalance in the game.
 
ty ty
 
Xeo
Damn guys, I just woke up and now I have to go back and see where your discussion began...
 
wonder where Erik Meijer buys T-shirts.
I don't see them often but he must see them every time he shops.
 
@JohanLarsson There is a video on Channel9 where he explained it.
I think it was some hippie guy on the Golden Gate Bridge or something.
 
10:11 AM
Oh, yaeh I think I watched that vid.
How many would you buy if you met the hippie guy?
 
0
but I know I'm the superior man
 
superior to?
 
you
 
and mankind in general
 
10:13 AM
what scale is it measured on?
 
sheer brilliance
 
how is C# now?
 
@JohanLarsson meh
 
meh indeed
The Nosgoth game's store sells power but you can buy it with in-game currency too.
 
10:17 AM
@ScarletAmaranth meh
 
@Puppy meh as in why would you want to use multi-methods in first place :P?
 
I have never encountered any compelling use case for multimethods.
 
@рытфолд Someone abstracted your Monad tutorial to programming in general:
 
Can't say I'm a fan of their model though.
It's that one model where items expire after 7 or 30 days.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow Must have been Odersky.
 
10:28 AM
:)
 
10:39 AM
@StackedCrooked Great talk.
 
@JohanLarsson But he uses Comic Sans!
 
to match the shirt yes.
Decent humor in the talk. Perhaps not that much to use in the daily grind.
was he really fired from MS?
 
user1804599
Why does the command-line Eiffel compiler depend on GTK?
 
user1804599
I'm so confused!
 
@JohanLarsson yes
 
10:50 AM
what happened?
 
Lots of people were fired at Microsoft recently.
Change of politics or whatever.
I don't think he did anything wrong.
 
user1804599
Maybe he put mission-critical software into production without testing it.
 
I think he did a bunch of things right
 
@рытфолд You can get fired for that?
 
user1804599
You can get fired for anything.
 
11:03 AM
@рытфолд I've usually been promoted for putting mission-critical software into production without adequate testing.
 
user1804599
Maybe you didn't fuck up.
 
@рытфолд Yeah. Luck beats skill every time:)
I suppose I should get back to testing. On Monday morning, I have to deliver mission-critical software.
 
@MartinJames What mission is that?
 
That moment when someone calls you an old geezer because you're frequently using email
5
 
@wilx Delivering fixed software to a pissed off cutomer in Medellin, Columbia. I'm a contractor to an intermediate, so I can't be directly fired by the customer. OTOH, the customer may be able to fire at me:(
 
11:17 AM
public MissionCritical Mess
 
@Columbo My ICQ UIN has only 8 digits. Few years back when I was still using it, I was asked if I had ICQ and what was the UIN. The other person though I was not telling her all of it and got pissed before I explained. :)
 
Xeo
I think mine had 6 or 7
If I still remembered it
and I can't recover it, because I have no idea what I mail registered with.
 
@wilx Mine has only 7, but I can't remember it exactly. It starts with 64 I think.
Who needs ICQ when there's Lounge? :)
 
Hmm, I still remember the password and the number. I have just changed the recovery email to my Gmail email. That should last of the next ten years. :)
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow 640 or something, yeah
 
11:40 AM
hmmmm....
reading this code... no idea how it ever worked.
perhaps it's time to switch branches and try it.
 
11:51 AM
grrr VS inheriting Git's stupidity when dealing with added files
 
user1804599
12:06 PM
I wrote my first Eiffel program!
 
user1804599
Absolutely fascinating.
 
^someone found LRIO's spaceship
 
Xeo
Meh. Why are episodic games so popular? :<
 
@Xeo because unlike HL3 the sequels actually come out
 
12:25 PM
@Mgetz yay
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that just seemed to suit you better than a romulan warbird
 
@Puppy LOL
I love how you're still on about it
 
> Senior software engineer to me while I was interning "oh I see how you did that. That's very clever" my reply "thanks!" senior software engineer "that wasn't a compliment"
10
nicely packaged
 
Hey Everyone
@sehe : If that wasn't a compliment. Then what was it?
 
12:43 PM
@RonakPatel The opposite of a compliment, I guess
 
lol
@Columbo 'template ones'... there are no 'template functions' in C++, and function templates are not functions, so maybe that's not the best wording either. — bogdan 2 mins ago
What the fuck
 
@Columbo "function template" vs "template function"
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... Yeah I'm not braindead thx :D
The guy is just pointing out irrelevant nonsense
Though the wording is indeed incorrect in the first sentence
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey, do you have this?
 
Xeo
1:05 PM
> €1.00 EUR = $1.09 USD
Can the USD get a bit weaker please?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I mention it every time it breaks shit
 
@Puppy hahahha lolololololololololo
 
@Jefffrey why are you slacking off
I fucked up master yesterday :S
 
@Xeo Stronger?
 
Xeo
1:10 PM
@LucDanton No, weaker. I wanna pay less!
 
user1804599
I thought of this
 
@рытфолд of what?
 
user1804599
If a method has a precondition and an override of that method also has one, the overriding one can be looser.
 
user1804599
However there is no way to verify this because halting problem.
 
user1804599
What can be done though is in the override evaluate the base precondition, and if it returns false do nothing but if it returns true then the override's precondition must also return true, and if it doesn't throw an InconsistentContractException.
 
user1804599
1:13 PM
I.e. check that base precondition implies override precondition.
 
@BartekBanachewicz because it's saturday :)
 
user1804599
Thanks, rubber ducks.
 
user image
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this is beautiful
 
user1804599
Need more JPEG.
 
now I'm playing skyrim theme
it's all your fault
 
user1804599
1:17 PM
 
@Xeo Nah.
Funny you should mention.
Yesterday someone described me as the most social anti-social person they know.
 
Xeo
lol
If only you had been wearing that shirt!
(Also, ouch, $15 shipping. :<)
 
Holy fuck
30/30 my last exam
what the hell
 
1:35 PM
@Xeo Order more stuffs!
@Xeo Nah, I get what they meant.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I've selected two so far.
 
user1804599
1:51 PM
Ugh SIGILL.
 
user1804599
Oh wow, it works.
 
user1804599
2:22 PM
Eiffel is great.
 
howdy
What IDE should I use for C++ in linux? I'm thinking of Eclipse CDT currently...
 
user1804599
Vim.
 
@JohnJohn I like QtCreator
I hear good things about KDevelop too.
 
Really? does it even have an autocomplete? Do you debug with terminal commands?
hmm. I'll use gnome though, wonder if KDevelop will work.
every1 is suggesting QtCreator though. What's wrong with eclipse? :)
 
it has decent auto complete, you debug through the UI. It uses GDB, you can step through code etc like any visual debugger
It also has valgrind for profiling
 
2:30 PM
@Pris You're talking about vim right?
 
No, QtCreator
vanilla vim doesn't have a GUI
There's JetBrains' CLion too, which is new
really you should try all of em and see which you like best, they all have pros and cons
 
hmm
staff from Unreal also advised me to use KDevelop as well
I kind of like the shortcuts and UI of eclipse currently. What could be it's drawbacks compared to others?
I don't mind setting up my own compiler (I'll only do it once anyway)
 
Stop being lazy and just try them all to see what you like. How should I know what the specific things you consider drawbacks are?
 
Yeah I'll try them, but you might know stuff that I don't. I'm asking your own opinions about that
 
lol C++ IDEs, especially in Linux.
they're all crap.
the only C++ IDE better than a text editor is Visual Studio and that's not by much at all.
 
2:37 PM
I liked using Qt Creator on linux
 
user1804599
Visual Studio doesn't have a good text editor, though.
 
but I never did anything serious in it :P
 
I'm not an advanced user yet. Like I don't know how to use their profilers or dunno how to debug a mulithread program but I like the debugging, seeing the contents of variables, seeing call stacks and so on.
 
VS w/ Resharper C++ EAP <3
 
Visual studio's auto indent, code analyzer and it's customizability sucks really. Setting up projects like libraries dlls on the other hand is really easy.
That might be the only thing that I'll be missing here.
@Borgleader will look into that. Thanks every1
 
2:44 PM
a great side effect of pan pizza is that the tons of crust keep you full for longer
so one big pizza = food for 48 hours
 
i love pizza hut but its so oily
esp the crust
 
Hmm I need some test data for expression parsing, I dont feel like making my own :(
 
I'm writing a timer based thread safe circular buffer. I'll take your job if you take mine :)
 
'timer based thread safe circular buffer' - WTF is that?
 
@MartinJames he clearly doesn't know either ^^
 
2:52 PM
it doesn't let you insert shit until the timer runs out
 
:: much useful ::
 
ikr
 

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