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Ell
2:00 PM
@chmod711telkitty just the "last updated on ..."
 
Well-dressed guy with slightly odd accent (Yank maybe?) in Subway gets into a tantrum because he can't have butter on his sandwich ("ok but this is the last time"). What?! Then goes off the handle and storms out ("I don't have to spend money here!") when people start muttering about him. "You need to learn some manners!" Quite amusing. I called out "look who's talking" but he didn't take the bait, which was vastly disappointing. Still, I got a tasty sandwich...
Is there some country, represented in this stupid room, where Subway puts butter on its subs?
 
the are better places to eat than Subway.
 
Ell
I wish subway would put butter on
 
2:17 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ignorance; GE is better
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't even think they do that here in the states... mayo galore but butter? don't believe they do. Might be a regional thing though.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit as in real butter? I thought they normally put some sort of spread on the bread... to be dead in your bed once your wed to your Ed who has fled from the shed
 
you suck.
 
SCNR
 
2:43 PM
hm
fuck.
I think I need to just fork my import syntax from my regular Wide syntax.
 
well so far I cheated by expressing the import metadata as regular Wide code
so I re-use all the same machinery to load it.
 
Last palindrome before 99999.
 
but I have this one case where I need to express an ABI thing that no regular Wide code can.
or maybe I should just suck it up and not elide this particular move.
 
I need a proper keyboard at work.
 
2:48 PM
or maybe I should just do that ABI extension thing I was going to do.
 
Xeo
Hm... I could either refactor this whole shebang and take hours and hours to do it... or I could make this one method public.
 
Check the door for raptors.
Wait, DON'T!
Just jump out the window before they open the door.
 
Xeo
Hey, I'm not using goto!
goto window;
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bread.
Pas de pain, pas de gain.
 
2:53 PM
hmm
would it be really bad if Wide did not support function pointers, and only had a lambda-style "every callable has a unique type"?
 
How do you C++ without function pointers?
 
it's easy enough to generate trampolines for any given function as long as you know it ahead of time
C++ already has a separate ABI to Wide.
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel no bread no gain? :P
 
Pass the bread, pass the gain.
 
gain or grain
whole grain bread is awesome
 
2:56 PM
ok wait.
actually, that could never, ever, work.
 
Ell
@Puppy what couldn't?
 
well, I was trying to decide some scheme for eliding moves in a particular context, but I realized that it's pretty difficult if the caller doesn't know that you've done it.
 
I don't understand what's the hype about the celebrity nude photo leaks - are they mad because they didn't get paid big bucks for those pictures?
 
Imma breadify your face.
 
Xeo
2:58 PM
Test it on g++, clang and VS2013. Only VS2013 got it right Clang and g++ are generating 1.0. Seems like a double bug both gcc and Clang are wrong. — 40two 40 secs ago
ARGH
why do people always say "GCC and Clang" for library issues, instead of "libstdc++ and libc++"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes then 100001, only two repz later
last palindrome for decades
 
I have an accept ready.
 
cause they don't really know about the separation of church and state library and compiler.
 
Ell
@chmod711telkitty they were stolen right
 
3:00 PM
which one is church and which one is state, I wonder?
 
Ell
also people want to fap over them
 
Ell
@chmod711telkitty And that's why there is hype
 
no wait.
maybe that could work.
 
there are plenty of porn sites ... free porns are everywhere
 
3:01 PM
you'd just have to dodge double destruction, I guess.
 
Ell
@chmod711telkitty Not of celebrities though
people want to fap to celebrities
to characters they've come to know and love
 
Ell
versus terrible "actresses" who they have seen for mere seconds/minutes
 
Forget what I said, VS2013 generates values >> 1.0. — 40two 2 mins ago
Impressive.
 
unsurprising.
 
3:04 PM
At least the other two only wrongly produce the value at the boundary.
 
fap to a character a celebrity plays is like pray to a muslim god ... in fact any god in organized religions
 
what's not?
 
anything you just said
 
Is the random == 1.0f comparison going to be accurate enough to really say that the random number was 1.0f? — Niall 1 min ago
Ugh, upvoted.
 
3:06 PM
lol, you can't think abstract apparently
 
...
well argued
 
hmm
robot, what do you think of a feature where the destructor can take the object by value?
 
Beware of floats - 1.f != 1.f in many cases. Try comparing abs(random - 1.f) < numeric_limits<float>::epsilon. — David Lively 18 secs ago
GEE FUCK
 
Xeo
No, you moron, that is never true. — Puppy 37 secs ago
typical puppy
 
ah, it'll be flagged soon enough.
 
Xeo
> Floating point comparisons are always exact
 
I was going to write something more elaborate and less insulting but I'm busy thinking about ABIs.
 
Xeo
People really seem to have this backwards
The arithmetic operations aren't exact in their results, which leads to "inexactness" in the comparisions.
 
lightness is the only one that actually understood what they all think and correct them in the right way
@DavidLively: No, it's not. The comparison is always exact. It's your operands that may not be exact if they are calculated and not literals. — Lightness Races in Orbit 47 secs ago
 
lightness is pretty smart
 
3:12 PM
shut up
 
@BartekBanachewicz LoL really wants my money :( now it's throwing nurses at me i.stack.imgur.com/Grp3S.jpg
nurses are one of my weaknesses
 
aaaand brb
 
hmph
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit On that note, is it me, or is that answer's author a bit... weird?
 
3:16 PM
@AlexM. Looks like an attempt to exploit you by objectifying women to me.
 
@AlexM. Poor Amumu.
 
@Puppy if !objectifying women means making them less hot
then I'm all for objectifying them
@EtiennedeMartel lol
I wonder how many hot skins there are in the game
 
Ell
Objectifying women
Objectifying women.
What does that even mean
 
it means to make them inherit object
 
it means, you place women in a scene for males to stare at their tits and ass, rather than as actual characters.
 
3:18 PM
@Ell Considering women are objects made for your own entertainment and enjoyment instead of actual people.
 
Ell
Aren't all games for your own entertainment and enjoyment? o.o
 
ordinarily, that does not require reducing half the human race to objects.
 
@Ell So? What's your point?
A game does not require a pair of tits to be enjoyable.
 
I'm not going to deny the existence of sexual attraction between males and females to satisfy some moral concepts lol
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel Not for you maybe
it probably does to other people
 
3:20 PM
it's not about "some moral concepts", it's about them exploiting you, and denigrating a bunch of other people to do it.
 
Women can be sexy and attractive and all that. The real issue is when women are only there for that reason.
 
there are non-kinky skins too
 
Ell
I don't see why that's an issue
 
^ same character
 
"I don't see why it's an issue to take human beings, who have the most complex behaviour of any known system, and reduce them to a single surface element"?
 
Ell
3:21 PM
@Puppy Right
It's not real
it's a game
 
well, clearly.
that woman didn't even get paid for it (being not a real woman).
 
@Ell So why does it matter to you then if there are tits in it?
Those are not real tits.
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel Because I like to see tits :P
 
at least if you're a porn actress then you make money on it
 
Ell
Even if they are fake
I still enjoy seeing them
 
3:23 PM
tits are the best
 
In many games, male characters are power fantasies for men, while female characters are sexual fantasies for men.
It's always for men.
Or should I say boys.
 
even though they're not really the gaming demographic anymore.
 
Ell
I don't think any kind of fantasy is a problem
 
@EtiennedeMartel well if you put it like that
 
@Ell Fantasies can absolutely be a problem because people learn from them and act like they're real.
 
3:24 PM
And it's not just that. How many so called "mature" games are actually appealing to some incredibly juvenile vision of what maturity is?
 
Ell
@Puppy The fantasy isn't the problem there though is it? It's the person acting like they're real
 
Gore, sex and profanity isn't mature. And when it's done just to get in teenagers' pants, it's stupid.
 
@EtiennedeMartel What do you mean?
 
right, but that implies that human beings have a capability to separate between fantasy and reality.
whereas in reality, we're quite literally hardwired for the opposite.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That 40two guy. Not the first time I see weird stuff from him.
 
Ell
3:25 PM
@Puppy I believe we do
 
@EtiennedeMartel His profile looks familiar (which suggests 'yes') but I don't remember anything specific
 
@Ell Well, you're wrong.
 
I remember seeing this game for girls on google play
 
Ell
@Puppy Let's agree to disagree
 
let's not.
 
3:26 PM
where the guy's sole purpose was to talk random nice stuff to you (the player)
and put you to sleep
 
Ell
@Puppy Well, you can argue as much as you want to me :P
But you'll be wasting your time
 
@AlexM. Yeah, it's equally stupid for the same reason.
 
@Puppy If we were unable to differentiate between reality and imagination, we would be utterly fucked. Schizophrenics have this failing and look at how well they get along with life...
 
it's a simple matter of biological fact that studies show over and over again that human beings are hardwired to mix fantasy and reality.
 
Like in those mangas for girls, where guys are ridiculously competent, perfectly shaped, cardboard cuttouts.
 
3:27 PM
there's no "opinion" or "disagreement" about it.
you can't disagree that 1 + 1 = 2.
 
Sigh.
Fucking moron.
 
Ell
@Puppy Errm...
 
@EtiennedeMartel haha, found it play.google.com/store/apps/…
 
1 + 1 = 2 by definition, not by study.
 
But, hey, at least he's plonked anyone who might be able to show him evidence that he's being snooty about his wrongness.
 
3:27 PM
"studies show" is not a biological fact.
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@AlexM. Let's not forget Japan has an interesting view of gender relations.
 
it seems there's a whole series called "sleepy time boyfriend"
 
Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder often characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to recognize what is real. Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, auditory hallucinations, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and inactivity. Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the person's reported experiences. Genetics and early environment, as well as psychological and social processes, appear to be important contributory factors. Some recreational and prescription drugs appear to cause or worsen symptoms...
 
Material aimed at girls, there, seem to teach girls that the best they can hope for is getting married with a good looking guy.
 
Ell
@Puppy How about me taking a study right now about myself being able to distinguish fact from fantasy
 
3:28 PM
@Puppy Meh, that's easy to tell. Are the sheep electric? If yes, not reality.
 
Ell
I'm here and I'm doing it right now
 
@EtiennedeMartel considering how few people marry and make kids in japan nowadays, that might not be such a bad idea
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Reminds me of this.
 
last I checked there was a crisis there
 
@Ell When Puppy says humans are hardwired not to be able to distinguish fact from fantasy, as usual he actually is only talking about himself, i.e. he's unable to distinguish fact from fantasy. And this is a pretty good case in point, I'd say.
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3:29 PM
that does not imply that human beings can do it reliably and consciously in the general case.
@R.MartinhoFernandes bzzzzzzt
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hehe yup
 
A mirror neuron is a neuron that fires both when an animal acts and when the animal observes the same action performed by another. Thus, the neuron "mirrors" the behavior of the other, as though the observer were itself acting. Such neurons have been directly observed in primate species. Birds have been shown to have imitative resonance behaviors and neurological evidence suggests the presence of some form of mirroring system. In humans, brain activity consistent with that of mirror neurons has been found in the premotor cortex, the supplementary motor area, the primary somatosensory cortex and...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
Ell
Also people should be allowed to produce what they want
be it gore, sex, whatever
 
@Ell Sure. But if what you're doing is stupid and immature, and you're taking yourself seriously, then that makes you an idiot.
And I don't consume works made by idiots.
 
3:32 PM
@EtiennedeMartel you... sexist!
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel I personally don't think producing sex and gore and violence makes you stupid and immature
and I'm sure a lot of other people don't too
anyway I have to go now
 
@EtiennedeMartel You've never used Windows?
 
it doesn't inherently, but it definitely does if that's all you've got.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ssshhhh.
(I also pre-ordered SimCity, so I'm not perfect)
 
3:33 PM
owch
I feel bad for you bro.
 
lol what a dumbass.
 
then again I bought Diablo 3.
managed to dodge BF4 though.
 
When your bullshit detector fails you, that's when it hurts.
 
My eye socket hurts
 
besides
 
3:34 PM
Put the eye back in.
 
personally I object to them attempting to exploit me about as much as them objectifying women.
 
I'll just continue buying boobs
because I like boobs
I hope they never stop selling boobs to me
 
it's way cheaper to just find free porn
 
yes, but you can't push mid with porn, can you?
 
you are buying wat
where do they sell boobs?
 
3:37 PM
nope
 
> Visual Studio is waiting for an internal operation to complete.
2
FUCK YOU
FUUUUUCK YOU
AND FUCK YOUR FAVORITE BRAND OF CEREALS
 
I'm not saying that LoL isn't entertaining (right now, anyway), I'm just saying that whether or not it is entertaining is independent of whether they're willing to exploit you.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I usually go for favourite colour.
 
and it's a lot more reliable to just get free porn, and then buy games based on their expected entertainment value.
 
How female armour in video games works http://i.imgur.com/9UZKplC.png
 
3:38 PM
I love the guy in the bottom left.
 
@CatPlusPlus The interesting thing about that is, in most games, higher level armor for women offers less protection.
 
WE NEED MORE CATWALK MODS FOR SKYRIM
 
@Puppy How do you know it's a guy? :P
 
@Puppy That's the joke.
hth
 
So, the game is unconsciously teaching you that, if your character is female, then she has to be as slutty as possible to get the best stats.
 
3:40 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Which ones
 
Because that sounds even shittier than usual
 
@CatPlusPlus I mean "less protection" in that the armor wouldn't realistically protect well.
Sure, the stats are better, but they don't reflect what the armor looks like.
 
In Kotor2 I used some statsless dancer's outfit throughout the whole game and the game was still easy as fuck.
@EtiennedeMartel It's magic!
 
@Puppy LoL is actually one of the least greedy F2P games out there.
Not saying it's perfect, but its business model is actually several steps in the right direction.
 
3:42 PM
@EtiennedeMartel but, if you consider a lot of the female char players are played by guys
 
GW2 model best model
 
the developers are good guys
because they anticipated the sluttiest outfits would be used anyway
 
No they're not
Fuck them
 
so instead of putting them at a disadvantage, they raised the stats
 
19 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
It's always for men.
 
3:42 PM
quick someone give me a good clang/libc++ cmdline for Coliru plz
 
They fucking designed that in the first place
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What?
 
@Puppy I don't feel like I'm that exploited
 
@AlexM. They're used because they have to.
You get the best stats by looking like a slut.
 
I mean they just throw something I like at me
 
3:43 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit clang++ -o farts main.cpp
 
whether it's boobs or DLC, it's the same thing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't use Clang and can't quickly produce a good cmdline invocation of clang that assures libc++ usage. IIRC it's a bit finicky, or at least it used to be
@CatPlusPlus doesn't default to libstdc++ any more?
 
-stdlib=libc++?
 
I have no idea
 
Oh, maybe you need special linking stuff.
 
3:43 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes last time I tried that it was a red herring and more arguments were required. But it was ages ago
yeah
I hoped someone had a coliru snippet bookmarked that used it
 
-lsupc++ worked for me when I had that issue on my machine.
 
Also fuck gamers
 
Gaming is nice
 
also the kinky skins are from what I've seen so far never highlighted
 
@CatPlusPlus They wish.
 
3:44 PM
Poker in particular.
 
and always at the end of the list
 
They're there
 
well they're there yes
but there are many "!sexist" alternatives
and those are presented first
I actually took each champion so far and immediately went to the end of the skins list for cough research
 
I'd be more okay if there was armour like that for male characters because that would make people so maad
 
From this snippet I can't find the cause of the 1.0 output in the source (pertinent to my next edit to this answer)
oh, ecatmur has a good answer now
grr
 
3:47 PM
@CatPlusPlus that would make Riot get into trouble with the anti-LGBT guys
 
Yes, it would be glorious
So many manbaby tears
 
I don't see everyone's fucking problem with gender roles. Don't like it? Don't conform then. But don't take away my pretty ladies in skirts and bras.
 
^
 
There's some genetic predisposition for sure
Granted, a ton of tradition on top of it but come on now
 
also since when should all games appeal to both sexes equally
 
3:49 PM
Never.
That's their point.
 
I'm not playing Sleepy-time Boyfriend for a reason
 
We should start a campaign to stop the trend of men in games being hulky, muscular, strong individuals, as if strength and muscles are all that define guys as people.
 
but I don't really care men are viewed as objects for female players' pleasure in them
 
At this point I'm willing to destroy everything just to make people like this idiot mad twitter.com/AgoristArtist/status/505020918490361856
 
Also DUH HELLO everyone is a sex object, since that is our only purpose in life
 
3:51 PM
lol SJWs
 
Yay, Django 1.7 released.
 
Kinda hard to survive that
 
jinx
Got to wonder how long it took them to reach the conclusion that she was a DoA.
 
3:53 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Social Justice Warriors"
A term some people use to insult others.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm wondering how I'd react if I saw something like that while casually walking around town
 
It's funny.
 
Fun fact, if you're a First Responder you can pronounce a person legally dead if they fall under one of five obvious death signs
 
e.g. google for black dahlia's pictures (nsfw obviously)
 
Beheaded, Rigor Mortis, Decay, and two others that I don't remember because it's been so fucking long since I took that course
 
3:54 PM
you just went outside and saw a person cut in half near the road
 
MRA and SJW are the deepest of human emotions. http://t.co/dJbaMWgDVG
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, Lowtax.
 

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