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12:00 AM
The various details of -v seem too good to pass up.
 
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I really hate
 
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that CMake generates a new file
 
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for the x64 compiler
 
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Rather than putting x86 and x64 configs together.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That seem like a good compromise.
 
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12:03 AM
Isn't there a way to query some device information with some assembly tricks?
 
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Ah, but not all compilers support assembly... bleh.
 
CPUID tells you what features CPU supports, but it doesn't say anything about the generated code
wtb some good soundtracks
 
Fastfall OST?
 
12:20 AM
@ThePhD What device information do you want?
 
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@JerryCoffin From here, it seems like this thing wants to bake information of the computer used to do compilation into the output. I'm, uh. Not sure of a good way to do that. :c
 
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Even the assembly tricks wouldn't really tell you about the computer the code was compiled on, I guess.... the hardware information and stuff, that's runtime though, right @R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
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Or am I interpreting this wrong?
 
No.
I want information from the compiler used to compile it and from the machine it runs on.
 
also, my best comment in a while:
@StevenFontaine: Don't see why you're complaining to me about people not helping when I answered your question. Terminology is important, and that is no less true just because experts can divine what you really meant to say through heuristics and intuition. Frankly, as the OP, you are not qualified to take shortcuts and assume that your approximations are unambiguous/unimportant. Not trying to come off as rude or a jerk or whatever. — Lightness Races in Orbit 2 mins ago
night!
 
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12:27 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Assembly instructions and stuff can do the runtime bits, the compile-time stuff might be harder to pull without an external program or pre-build step being run or something...
 
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/cc @JerryCoffin
 
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Wait. The compiler it came from? That might be easier, actually.
 
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Compiler information is usually stuffed around somewhere, though not incredibly detailed like g++ --version.
 
@Jefffrey "everything is static"? Have you started the server?
 
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The runtime information is assembly stuff for sure.
 
12:29 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Yup
 
@Jefffrey and you're on branch state
 
yup
 
and you opened client/index.html
 
yes
potato-client/index.html
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes mine is more stable.
 
12:30 AM
user image
4
 
i gotta say though, that near 0 line is fishy
 
^ this is both scary and awesome :S
@Jefffrey can you open the dev tools in the client?
 
Well, if I click the "unit.png" tile, then few tiles are highlighted around
but that's about it
@BartekBanachewicz yes
 
@Jefffrey have you tried clicking any of the highlighted tiles?
 
@BartekBanachewicz doesn't do anything
 
12:33 AM
uh that's the wrong map
 
> Preprocessing executable 'potato-server' for potato-server-0.1.0.0...
Setting phasers to stun... (port 3000) (ctrl-c to quit)
server ^
 
that's not the state branch
 
true
I thought I downloaded the state branch
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's telling 'em!
 
12:34 AM
oh wait
if you go to branches > state and the click the downloads tab, the link downloads the master branch
wat
 
why can't you just clone it? :P
manual downloads are cumbersome
 
whatever nerd
 
do you seriously download zips of every project you want to open? :O
anyway
 
yes
SERIOUSLY
:)
 
anyway don't expect much, really
 
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12:38 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit tl;dr did he want each decendant class to have a fresh lump of statics?
 
the most tedious work has been done, so you can move two units around in turns, but there's no real gameplay
 
I see
 
It's gonna take a while now
 
@ThePhD The little bit of hardware output that's giving should be pretty trivial to collect without using assembly language. On Windows you can use Win32_Processor, for one example.
 
12:41 AM
@Jefffrey sandbox?
 
of course
I'm no noob
 
well rebuilding Lens for every project is tedious regardless :P
 
ok now it does the same thing as before
just there's a different map every time I refresh the page
 
@Jefffrey did you checkout state?
 
oh ffs
are you kidding me
 
12:45 AM
I'm not the one downloading zips from repos :v
 
I cloned the repo
 
give me lines 208 and 209 of index.html
 
I've built lens and all the libraries in hackage and now I realize I forgot to checkout state
 
4 mins ago, by Jefffrey
I'm no noob
(okay okay I'll stop now)
 
maybe a little
 
12:47 AM
maybe it won't have to rebuild everything
dependencies shouldn't be that different
 
> cabal: Could not resolve dependencies:
trying: potato-server-0.1.0.0 (user goal)
next goal: base (dependency of potato-server-0.1.0.0)
rejecting: base-4.6.0.1/installed-6c3... (conflict: potato-server =>
base==4.7.*)
rejecting: base-4.7.0.0, 4.6.0.1, 4.6.0.0, 4.5.1.0, 4.5.0.0, 4.4.1.0, 4.4.0.0,
4.3.1.0, 4.3.0.0, 4.2.0.2, 4.2.0.1, 4.2.0.0, 4.1.0.0, 4.0.0.0, 3.0.3.2,
3.0.3.1 (global constraint requires installed instance)
Dependency tree exhaustively searched.
Hmm.
how do you update cabal again?
oh cabal update
neat
 
 
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1:48 AM
called vodafone tech support and was told image bigger than 300k may or may not be received properly on their phones
 
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@chmod711telkitty as a picture message?
 
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Do they explain this as a network limitation or just the phone model(s)?
 
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After their shambolic and self-interested response to their seriously failing network 2-3 years ago, AND their destruction of the highly-functional 3 network (nee Orange) I was on since 1999, I've permanently sworn off voda for ever.
 
network limitation
13 hours ago, by chmod 711 telkitty
second is that my window's phone/vodafone got tech issue, it crashed when I received a message. When it's restarted, it deleted the message and the one before that ...
 
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1:59 AM
also, i had wireless broadband with 3, and when they took over, they inserted that obnoxious 'compress all images down to visibly-shit-resolution' trickery inserted into all webpages. AND the ^R hotkey that was supposed to make the image get re-downloaded at full res NEVER worked
 
but then again window phone 7 is known to have issues
 
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emmmm
 
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i have zero faith in voda to do antything resembling customer service or customer satisfaction
 
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unless it turns them a buck or reduces their technology load
 
speaking of which telstra is getting pretty good with customer services
 
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2:01 AM
/me gags on lunch
 
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are they?
 
the problem is that you have to pay a lot more
 
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oh yeah
 
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notices that.
 
my android is on telstra
then my iphone is on TPG, lol
 
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2:02 AM
i have unllimited home interwebs from Dodo at $50 including home phone, and it's never skipped a beat. Optus for mobile at another insanely awesome price, and the service has been great.
 
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telstra does look very solid, but the prices were an instant turn-off
 
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i think Dodo subleases the home adsl on telstra anyway - just at 1/3 the price
 
TPG is not too bad either, especially for that price
 
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a tech-head I knew (managed a large office network) was really down on tpg for their shitty customer service. Ever had to get service? Who do they sub-lease?
 
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I s'pose you could email that image - do they also clip emails?
 
2:05 AM
optus maybe ... I don't use it often so it might be that it's bad just I have not noticed it
 
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my Samung phone insists on compressing pictures actually, and it's a hand-me-down from a relative who had it from a vodaphone account - wonder if that was progammed into it.... i can't stop if showing a big voda splotch when I power it up. ugh!
 
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heh
 
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time for a new phone. tempted by the nexus on the basis that it has less bloat-ware and dope-ware; and what it does have CAN actually be removed.
 
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not sure how robust it is though. I need a phone that can cope with a hard life
 
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is Voda the one that's advertising the same account at the same price for a few devices? That's temping, but according to my principles, I'll wait until Optus match the concept ;-)
 
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2:45 AM
> warning MSB8027: Two or more files with the name of alpha.c will produce outputs to the same location. This can lead to an incorrect build result. The files involved are src\dec\alpha.c, src\enc\alpha.c.
 
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It'll never ever get smart enough.
 
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It makes me so fucking sad.
 
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@Borgleader You compile libwebp for VS, right?
 
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WOO!
 
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2:59 AM
@CatPlusPlus ^ Beautiful project organization, successful build, powered by git submodules and the MSBuild Engine, rather than Shell Scripts and Robocopy. :D
 
does VS have any advanced editing features yet?
 
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I don't know what that means yet.
 
e.g. multiple cursors, multiple selectors, etc
 
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Nope.
 
column mode?
 
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3:04 AM
Uh
 
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I don't even know what that means.
 
It always had column mode
 
cool
 
But that's about it from Things That A Text Editor Should Be Able To Do
 
@ThePhD See here.
 
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3:05 AM
I think it can do that.
 
Column editing is really something I would assume even from the shittiest editors
Like it should be as obvious as line editing
 
@ThePhD Yeah I found out.
It was added in VS2010.
 
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toplel
 
or well 'improved'
> That looks great! I've always liked the way that VS multi-line indents selections with tab, as opposed to, say notepad which deletes the text altogether. It helps a lot with regular formatting of source code.
I think this is something I would assume from even the shittiest editors @CatPlusPlus ^
 
How does key bindings works
 
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3:13 AM
Ugh.
 
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Half of these libraries only support being static libraries. ._.
 
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If I need to update them and the API doesn't change, I'd have to reship my whole application no matter what I do.
 
Which ones
 
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freetype (patched to handle), libwebp (nothing I can do, it doesn't look like they decorate their functions properly) and zlib (patched to handle)
 
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This leaves libwebp as my final culprit.
 
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3:16 AM
Of course, since I modified the lib, freetype's submodule is now ENDLESSLY BITCHING AT ME
 
Both FT and zlib are built as DLLs
 
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"HEY YOU MADE CHANGES WANNA COMMIT TO THE MASTER REPO? :D"
 
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FT is not a DLL, FT's default is a static lib.
 
why does the default matter if you can specify to build as a DLL?
 
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Because the library has to have the functions it wants exported decorated (by VC++).
 
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3:17 AM
I don't know how shared library building works in g++ land, really.
 
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"extern" isn't enough for an export.
 
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I should submit a patch to freetype allowing for DLL builds.
 
Freetype uses a DEF file to mark exports
It supported DLL builds since forever
There's nothing to patch
 
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I don't know how to wield DEF files in VC++. :c
 
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And just flicking the "build as DLL" switch in the projects freetype provides doesn't cut it.
 
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3:20 AM
 
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Found it!
 
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But it's.... empty.
 
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Thanks, freetype...?
 
Oh sorry it doesn't use DEF, it uses ftoption
/* #define FT_EXPORT(x) extern x */
/* #define FT_EXPORT_DEF(x) x */
 
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Yeah, I modified that to make it work.
 
3:22 AM
That's not a patch, you're supposed to customise ftoption if you need it
 
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But it's included in the repo, so now it's bothering me to commit changes and I can't exclude it. :c
 
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Or at least, I don't know how to tell git "shut up I don't want to commit this"
 
commit it?
 
/* - You can put a copy of this file in your build directory, more */
/* precisely in `$BUILD/freetype/config/ftoption.h', where `$BUILD' */
/* is the name of a directory that is included _before_ the FreeType */
/* include path during compilation. */
/* */
/* The default FreeType Makefiles and Jamfiles use the build */
/* directory `builds/<system>' by default, but you can easily change */
 
why don't you want to commit it?
 
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3:24 AM
@Rapptz It's from freetype's git repo.
 
why do they make their comments look so ugly
 
Murkdown removes spaces
cba to fix
 
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I'm submoduling. I don't want to change.
 
you.. can still commit you know?
 
Committing to a submodule is useless unless you fork the thing
 
3:26 AM
you don't have to fork it unless you're pushing the submodule changes iirc
 
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Hey
 
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is github down for anyone?
 
Yes and not pushing the submodule changes means you have a desync between what you think you have and what you'll get when cloning the parent repo
 
@ThePhD no
 
And great fun ahead if you commit the new submodule pointer and not push the submodule
Submodules suck
 
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3:29 AM
Blargha.
 
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Maybe I should have just consumed the entire source instead.
 
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Updated when I needed to.
 
Subtree does that
 
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Subtree?
 
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I saw an option for that, but I wans't familiar.
 
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3:31 AM
What does it do?
 
imo it's a PITA
Cat doesn't think so
 
Submodules are PITA you're weird
(And ThePhD already hit one of the cases where submodules handle p terribly)
(The other is branching)
 
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I wish I could have a "local submodule"
 
that is a subtree
 
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e.g., something where I'm tied to the original repo but I can do things like keep my own patches and fixes and stuff over the source.
 
3:33 AM
jeez man
are you even reading
 
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Since I'm never EVER going to commit back to the top...
 
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I did read!
 
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But, like.
 
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They say there's a new merge strategy and stuff. ;~;
 
SourceTree has an UI for subtrees
 
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3:33 AM
@ThePhD ummmm, isn't that just a branch and performing the act of merging the main whenever you feel like it?
 
@aclarke not even close
in this context anyway
i.e. submodules/subtrees
 
Yes on the repo level but then you go back to forking the thing
 
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@Rapptz ok, not getting your context
 
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ok
 
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Arrgh, I already made everything subtrees.
 
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3:34 AM
er
 
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submodules
 
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I hope it's not hard to switch....
 
@ThePhD ignore the last section
'without subtree command'
 
Remove submodules, commit, add subtrees, commit, the end, see e.g. github.com/TheCatPlusPlus/dgd/commits/horrible
 
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:x
 
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3:37 AM
I hope it doesn't remove my changes and my project files...
 
If you did them in the submodules then yes because you're a butte
 
@CatPlusPlus I just find the CLI for them kind of annoying.
We've already discussed this though
 
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@CatPlusPlus That's where CMake and shit generated the files. ._.
 
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I'm not to blame!!
 
Why are you committing CMake-generated crap
butte
 
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3:39 AM
Because I can?
 
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Well, I mean
 
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I haven't yet.
 
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None of the project files that come with it / are generated / I've written have been committed to the repo just yet...
 
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So, uh.
 
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When I add subtrees
 
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3:41 AM
Does... ..
 
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... Anything change?
 
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I added it but nothing's happened to my repo.
 
Do it on a clone and see~
It won't do anything if you have uncommitted changes
 
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I have no uncommitted changes.
 
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My last change was deleting the zlib subtree.
 
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3:42 AM
But I guess it's not... auto-pulling?
 
im sure youll figure it out
 
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WORKING TREE HAS MODIFICATIONS CANNOT PULL
 
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Sweet deal.
 
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Again with the working tree has modifications stuff
 
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What modifications
 
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3:44 AM
there are no modifica-....
 
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Freetype as a submodule.
 
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That counts as modifications?
 
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What tits.
 
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Argh this is so complicated. :c
 
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Where is this magic "The build directory gets included first" thing freetype is referring to...
 
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3:47 AM
Hrrm.
 
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Your MUDD?
 
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Aww.
 
3:59 AM
anybody?
 
what's a good function name to make a window fullscreen or windowed?
 
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@Triumphant apparently not
 
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@Rapptz redefining Win32? what are you up to?
 
is it easy to find a C++ job in USA?
 
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question 1: if you have a green-card....
 
4:04 AM
Windows or Linux
 
@aclarke not sure how that's relevant :v
 
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@Rapptz it's not!
 
@aclarke um..., in fact, i don't even got the visa
 
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Fuck it.
 
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I'm just going to keep submodules. :l
 
4:05 AM
lol
 
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Don't laugh at me! ;~;
 
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This is hard.
 
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@Rapptz i can't think what that general concept is called under
 
too late
 
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:(((
 
4:06 AM
I can't name it fullscreen
it conflicts with my enum
which I can't make scoped
hmm
 
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and being not-fullscreen is ...
 
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you using one ftn with a flag?
 
no
well, I could
 
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it's traditional ;-/
 
it was originally w.fullscreen(true/false)
but name conflicts
 
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4:07 AM
but there's 3 states really if minimized is part of the game
 
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bloom
 
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going silly here
 
I already have minimised, maximised, and restore
just.. fullscreen and windowed
 
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fullness(true/false) - very organic
 
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i can't find an umbrella term for the state of min/max/windowed
 
4:10 AM
haha, rta in chatswood has turned into services nsw ...
 
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hah - ask english.stackexchange
 
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hmmmm - then suddenly: docking!
 
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can't escape the tendency towards WindowStaet
 
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with or without spolling mistaiks
 
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pass - thanks for the distraction
 
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4:27 AM
Ugh
 
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Everything was working before
 
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then I had to go try subtrees
 
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and try to fix things
 
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now it's all shit again
 
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and I can build but I can't run with that stupid fucking 0x000007b error fuck and I'm ill fuck fuccck.
 
4:37 AM
anybody who develop C++ app with Linux?
 
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only casually
 
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what's the issue?
 
5:29 AM
It's turtles all the way down.
8
 
@Feeds That's well done.
 
Using bold on every other word or phrase makes this answer more difficult to read and reduces the effectiveness of emphasis. — Adam Rosenfield 8 hours ago
lol
 
Xeo
@Feeds Well done
> ~ $ du -s video/
4170882256
~ $ du -hs video/
A lot.
~ $
lol
 
@FredOverflow lol
I'm surprised it hasn't been downvoted into oblivion.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:45 AM
xkcd diving; inside a single image, again
 
It kills my memory :v Or the memory usage kills me, whichever.
 
Dat reference
@LucDanton I've been diving a while. Opera still at 2G virt, 750MiB reserved - seems about right
> HOLISM
 
lol
 
> REDUCTIONISM
 
6:51 AM
@Rapptz ..and Loungers laughed at me of my Hungarian-style notation, (where the windowState enums would have been EwsMinimized...).
 
> Needs more struts
> NEEDS MORE STRUTS (echoing into space)
> MORE STRUTS (echoing into space)
 
@sehe You blew apart?
 
Nah. I'm enjoying XKCD
That's ... quite deep :)
 
@sehe Sounded more like KSP:)
 
@Feeds idgi :(
 
6:54 AM
@MartinJames It's mentioned
And this is when there's launch: i.imgur.com/IwKIirX.png
 
@sehe lol
 
@Rapptz Browser broken? Focus on image first?
 
Oh now it works.
There goes my RAM
 
Of course, loads of self-references
 
Xeo
Yay, the what-if book will be available on amazon tomorrow \o/
 
7:07 AM
What if it gets delayed?
 
Woo Master of Puppets.
Oh god my Minecraft server log.
 
7:24 AM
 
[07:23:51] [Server thread/INFO]: [@: Playing effect fireworksSpark for 50 times]
[07:23:51] [Server thread/INFO]: [@: Playing effect fireworksSpark for 50 times]
[07:23:52] [Server thread/INFO]: [@: Playing effect fireworksSpark for 50 times]
[07:23:52] [Server thread/INFO]: [@: Playing effect fireworksSpark for 50 times]
[07:23:53] [Server thread/INFO]: [@: Playing effect fireworksSpark for 50 times]
[07:23:54] [Server thread/INFO]: [@: Playing effect fireworksSpark for 50 times]
[07:23:54] [Server thread/INFO]: [@: Playing effect fireworksSpark for 50 times]
 
didn't notice this one before
 
And so on. I hooked up a command block to a clock. :|
 
Xeo
ew command blocks in survival
 
I find that the best way to navigate this XKCD is by holding Up-Arrow to zoom, and using the mouse pointer to focus the zoom center. /cc @Luc: at 2Gib reserved memory, it kept on working until I tried to access another browser tab :)
 
7:30 AM
@Xeo ew no nice effects
 
This is what you get for asking 'Please post the error message's you are getting':
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25636459/project-gazelle-tracker-error-installing-ocelot-tracker
 
lol
I didn't expect redstone clocks to keep working once everyone was off, though.
 
Xeo
if it's in the spawn-square
or rather, the chunks that stay loaded around spawn
 
7:48 AM
OIC.
 
'I am annoyed beyond belief with this question.' - this from OP!!!
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25636469/structs-arrays-functions-pointers
 
Xeo
alright, now dabbling in C# again
 

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