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12:02 PM
@StackedCrooked We call that "fired on the spot", but really the "on the spot" just indicates the immediacy of the firing, not anything about why it occurred.
If you're fired on the spot, you are summarily dismissed without any discussion or conversation or argument; you broke the rules, and you're gone.
But you could also be fired "not on the spot" (phrase made up) if there had been some drawn-out discussion about it, or debate, or if you were simply shit at your job but had already been for several months and they were finally giving up on improving you.
 
the scalability of doing this async stuff is so obvious and fascinating, I think it's the nicest part
it's like defining this simple building block that can run on a single thread, and to scale up from there you just make as many threads as it makes sense run the same building block
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The difference here lies in the fact that they need to pay you for a certain period of time past the day of the firing or not.
If it's "on the spot", no "firing fee" needs to be paid. If there is no strong reason to immediately get rid of someone, the company needs to pay a contractually/legally determined fee to the firee.
Oh the terms words I used.
 
Asking for trouble. http://t.co/2Ch14tMvHT
 
@AlexM. are you about c++ ?
 
oh sweet now it crashed
 
12:12 PM
@Abyx yeah I'm doing a distributed image processing system in C++ 11 with boost.asio
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ah the joys of not working in an "at will" environment, I wish I had such luxuries
 
@AlexM. with nested lambdas?
 
no lambdas were used so far
no, I used one, but in the end replaced it
 
@AlexM. ugh is it std::bind then?
 
wait, what are you asking me about?
 
12:13 PM
@Abyx lambdas... can be effing dangerous, particularly when people don't understand closures and capture
 
@AlexM. your async code
 
oooh
 
user1804599
Dynamic scoping is cool.
 
no, I meant in general, the idea behind asio
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nothing like Italians' legendary English skills: "You are exiting Rome, come back with many tanks"
 
12:14 PM
the whole avoiding locking thing
 
yeah
but with many ugly nested lambdas the code doesn't look good
 
And he was named Lambda the Ugly.
 
@MarcoA. That only reminds me of youtube.com/…
 
This is a rare Yahoo answer made of win
11
 
blinks twice
> what the crap how do you get this stupid
 
12:24 PM
> 5 years ago
 
> Some babies were dropped on their head but you were clearly thrown at a wall.
:|
 
in WPF, 21 mins ago, by Maverik
Room Owners & Regulars: Please stop feeding the winform vampires
 
Please stop feeding any vampires
 
Are Code Contracts in C# nice? I have only played with them.
 
How about P0rn vampires?
 
12:30 PM
All they can eat imo
 
I'm boiling
 
For what it's worth, we call that specific ocean, Grote Oceaan ("big ocean") or Stille Oceaan ("Silent Ocean").
 
its too fucking hot
 
no weird outlandish terms that can confuse school n00bs.
@TonyTheLion Add salt.
 
@JohanLarsson Microsoft Contracts is ok
 
12:34 PM
CC tooling requires VS Ultimate for whatever reason
 
@rubenvb I don't even know what you're trying to say. What do you call the Atlantic?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm, Atlantische Oceaan.
 
user1804599
Specific Rim
 
("of Atlas", the mountain range in Northern Africa)
 
@rightfold <3
 
Alcohol is evil also
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Comes from the mythical sunken civilization, duh!
 
@rightfold ehehe
fuck
I wanted to sign for this fucking driver's license
 
12:36 PM
@rubenvb No, not really.
 
user1804599
not fuck, rim
 
hmm... if I have foo(Base... bases); can I also have foo(Derived derived, Base... bases);
 
but I actually feel productive today
I don't want to leave earlier
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wiki agrees with me: nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantisch
 
In Greek mythology, Atlas (; ) was the primordial Titan who held up the celestial sphere. He is also the titan of astronomy and navigation. Although associated with various places, he became commonly identified with the Atlas Mountains in northwest Africa (Modern-day Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia). Atlas was the son of the Titan Iapetus and the Oceanid Asia or Klyménē (Κλυμένη): In contexts where a Titan and a Titaness are assigned each of the seven planetary powers, Atlas is paired with Phoebe and governs the moon. Hyginus emphasises the primordial nature of Atlas by making him the...
 
12:37 PM
wat do
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Pacific Rum
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Go for a promotion.
 
@CatPlusPlus wondersouly so
 
@BartekBanachewicz that feeling is an illusion, you're talking in the lounge
 
But I'm not going to debate ethymology.
the adverb adjective for Atlas is Atlassian. And they make software.
 
12:38 PM
@rightfold I'm leaving this job in a week
 
An atlas is a collection of maps, btw.
But you knew that.
You have succeeded into drawing me into a discussion I had no intent of having.
 
(src, GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, 0, 0, 0, dest, GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, 0, 0, 0, 64, 64, 1)
seriously opengl
you mad fucks
 
@CatPlusPlus Do you hate CC?
 
@rubenvb Yes, and that is also from the name of the titan.
 
how many fucking arguments does this have
15.
15 fucking arguments.
 
12:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which is relevant to the Ocean in what way again?
 
Atlas supported the sky above the Earth, and it was common to depict him in maps.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Meh, newbie
 
@rubenvb Because Mount Atlas is near it.
Mount Atlas is where the titan was supposedly holding the sky.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uhu. Thanks for trolling. Come again.
 
@BartekBanachewicz what you doing in JS land?
 
12:41 PM
> A man lost since he was 4 years old, finds his way home after 20 years with google earth and his memories.
 
@rubenvb I'm not trolling.
 
@rubenvb I see
 
@rubenvb He's not trolling, you've never learned about greek mythology?
 
@Mgetz What do you mean?
 
12:41 PM
ugh.
THE ATLANTIC OCEAN, PEOPLE
that's what I was talking about.
It's too hot for this.
 
Yes, the one that you find right after the Atlas range.
 
@rubenvb The atlantic ocean people? You mean the Atlanticans?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In the US in some states you can be fired "at will" e.g. if the person in charge of your employment decides it's funny to do so
 
@ParkYoung-Bae too slow bro.
 
or is bored
or is cruel
or is an asshole
 
12:42 PM
@rubenvb wat
@Mgetz So what, they love their glorified capitalist system, let them be
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Rereas what I wrote. A comma invalidates your perceived ambiguity.
 
o_0 why is coliru.com taking me to codepad? @StackedCrooked
 
these are ironically called "Right to work states"
 
Oh what am I doing.
 
@rubenvb Edits don't count, fagit
 
12:43 PM
@thecoshman ask codepad
 
lol
 
typedef void (*CopyImageSubDataPtr)(GLuint, GLenum, GLint, // src Name/Target/Level
                                    GLint, GLint, GLint,   // src X/Y/Z
                                    GLuint, GLenum, GLint, // dst Name/Target/Level
                                    GLint, GLint, GLint,   // dst X/Y/Z
                                    GLsizei, GLsizei, GLsizei // src Width/Height,Depth
                                    );
 
@ParkYoung-Bae hard to leave them be when you live there
 
@rubenvb Nope, you suck
@Mgetz Move abroad
 
@StackedCrooked that is the the right url for it, isn't it?
 
12:44 PM
@thecoshman JS uses objects
 
@ParkYoung-Bae No, don't!
 
@BartekBanachewicz and?
 
We don't want your capitalist scum.
 
@StackedCrooked oooh, you could probably contest it
 
12:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah actually don't :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz because structs of GLint would hurt the performances!
 
@thecoshman and that's a bit different than 15 numerical parameters
 
Just suck it up.
 
@rubenvb would be harder to use from other languages
don't get me wrong it's retarded
 
@rubenvb sarcasm?
 
12:45 PM
It's a stable and portable API.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae note the "s!"
 
@rubenvb no
 
lol ok.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't even get me started
 
Actually, it's more like an ABI built on C.
 
12:46 PM
there.
Actually C is an ABI.
 
@BartekBanachewicz wrong. OSes define the C ABI.
 
This is not a good day for 35 degrees
 
Mount Atlas () is an extinct volcanic cone at the northeast side of Mount Pleiones in The Pleiades, Victoria Land, Antarctica. The geographical feature was so named by the New Zealand Antarctic Place-Names Committee in association with nearby Mount Pleiones after the mythological Atlas of Greek mythology. The feature lies on the Pennell Coast, a portion of Antarctica lying between Cape Williams and Cape Adare. See also *List of volcanoes in Antarctica References * hi
 
@rubenvb what I meant is that it doesn't have any use other than being an ABI
 
@rubenvb Wrong. C implementations do.
 
12:47 PM
@CatPlusPlus Agreed
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not really
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm assuming C implementations come with the OS (which, frankly, they do). But sure, you're even more pedantically right.
 
@CatPlusPlus It would be from Barteklang
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Classy:
 
the fuck
was that your vcard
 
12:48 PM
The Linux ABI involves some int 80 or sysenter or whatever it is in x64.
The C ABI? Nope.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Clipboards and race conditions. I'm too fast for my shadow
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Linux is also not an OS...
 
there's your phone number there
 
Are you GNUing on me?
 
12:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, well, I'm gun' die
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes I am.
 
just sayin'
 
@BartekBanachewicz assuming
 
Thought so.
 
Another example: Windows NT (the kernel, not the ancient piece of rubbish) is also not an OS.
 
12:49 PM
That's dumb
 
Windows RT and Windows Phone both use the WinNT kernel
 
> Thank you for taking the time to report something that you feel may violate our Community Standards. Reports like yours are an important part of making Facebook a safe and welcoming environment. We reviewed the share you reported for containing graphic violence and found it doesn't violate our Community Standards.
 
I'm not an OS
 
Let's just ignore the fact that nobody ever refers to the kernel because nobody cares
 
TIL a video of a man being shot in the head doesn't violate Facebook's Community Standards.
 
12:51 PM
Inb4 Linus Torvalds
 
Linus Torvalds
 
Heck, Android is also a different ABI than GNU/Linux.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Impressive.
 
GNU/Linux is also a dumb name
 
12:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know what they need
 
@CatPlusPlus Agreed. I have nothing better to describe glibc+linux at the moment. Input is welcome :-p
 
"Linux"
 
@ParkYoung-Bae One nipple.
Correction. One female nipple.
 
@CatPlusPlus But my OCD!
 
damn
I just accidentally disconnected my rocket stage.
and I just realized that I actually lost something, even though it was already on a return trajectory
 
12:55 PM
If you didn't notice, it probably wasn't important!
 
God bless aircon
 
@ParkYoung-Bae oh, the agony!
 
¬_¬ I just waited far to long for my program to start when I ran ls /path/to/program &
 
> /patch/
 
1:00 PM
shh you dirty hippy!
 
terrible oneboxing
 
@ParkYoung-Bae no it was your fault
 
I blame Balpha
 
@TonyTheLion Tine
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sup?
 
1:05 PM
@ThePhD Just PayPal to my email, if you really want
 
@CatPlusPlus no, send him you AC no and password
 
@Jefffrey the link
 
yeah, should I look at something in particular?
 
nope
just the list
 
user1804599
@ParkYoung-Bae God bless my whistle.
 
1:17 PM
well, I haven't anything to say
but this exists
 
> hitler
> .pl
 
user1804599
> kitler
 
oh fuck this I've had enough
time to go home
 
It's 15h, srsly?
 
1:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I see
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz dude go home
 
user1804599
Get out, go home.
 
sbi
So, when I start some asynchronous job, and that has a result which I can wait for, then this is called a "future", right?
 
Xeo
or a promise
or something along those lines
 
^ Sussex last night
 
sbi
1:32 PM
@Xeo Yeah, they are sometimes used interchangeable.
 
Xeo
JS calls it a promise, C++ has future as the consumer part, and promise as the producer part
 
sbi
So if I start an asynchronous task, and I get back some handle that I can use to wait for the job to end, without it giving me back some value, is this called a future. too?
 
Xeo
sure
future<void> for example is fine in C++
 
the future is void
 
1:33 PM
atomic<future<void>>
 
@Xeo Promise is the other end.
 
C# calls it Task(<T>)
 
sbi
@jalf a void
The future is a void.
 
Xeo
1 min ago, by Xeo
JS calls it a promise, C++ has future as the consumer part, and promise as the producer part
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ITS ALIVE
 
sbi
1:34 PM
@JohanLarsson C# calls what?
 
@sbi Task<T> is the future/promise of C#
 
var reslut = await Task.Run(()=> 6);
 
sbi
@Xeo OK, so it's named that in C++.
 
@CatPlusPlus I can see a face in it
@Xeo or, rather, it will be
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit heh
 
1:35 PM
@Xeo silly pun
 
@sbi Seems like your outlook on life is pretty bleak.
 
Xeo
3 mins ago, by Xeo
JS calls it a promise, C++ has future as the consumer part, and promise as the producer part
:P
 
user1804599
Scala has both Future and Promise and they do different things.
 
JS doesn't count.
 
@rightfold In that respect JS has Promise and Deferred
 
sbi
1:36 PM
@Xeo I am talking about the case where the asynchronously running task does not return anything, while your comment was made before I said so.
 
Xeo
yes
 
sbi
@JohanLarsson What's a re-slut? (SCNR.)
 
user1804599
ES6?
 
user1804599
Or a library?
 
user1804599
1:37 PM
JS hasn't got anything like it at the moment.
 
@rightfold Promises/A+
 
Xeo
the future is the one that receives (potentially nothing), and the promise is the one that provides, potentially nothing, but signaling that the task ended
 
sbi
@ParkYoung-Bae SO C# calls it a Task? Mhmm. That seems to run against my intuition of what a "task" is.
 
so promise is, by definition, broken
var broken_promises[];
 
sbi
@Xeo Sounds pretty much like a condition variable to me.
 
1:39 PM
Wrong level of abstraction
 
@sbi C# kind of conflates worker and result, the naming is poor indeed
 
Future is a value that might not be available yet
 
sbi
@ParkYoung-Bae "Deferred", huh? "Delayed" is another synonym for "future" that I came across.
 
@sbi it can't be implemented without CV
 
@sbi Everyone calls stuff differently, the only thing to keep in mind is that there are two ends, a producer and a consumer. C# conflates both.
@StackedCrooked It can
 
sbi
1:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but if it is no value which isn't available yet, then is that called a "future", too?
 
C#'s equivalent of C++ promise is TaskCompletionSource
 
@CatPlusPlus And a promise is a promise that may or may not be kept. i.e. not a promise. It's a silly choice of terminology.
 
@sbi Yes
 
well ok I suppose a broken promise is still a promise
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It will be kept, otherwise you get a broken_promise error :P
 
sbi
1:41 PM
Ok. Thanks, folk.
The future it will be, then.
 
Dumb uninhabited void is hard to call 'value' but you can think of it as a unit type and it works better
 
@Xeo I had to implement promises myself for C++03 -.- Robot helped with his C++11 implementation
 
user1804599
ES6 has new Promise(function(resolve, reject) { ... }) which calls its parameter immediately.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hehe
 
user1804599
AFAIK there's no such thing as a future in ES6.
 
Xeo
1:41 PM
No Boost?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I see you are becoming a true lounger.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit a promise that may or may not be kept is still a promise.
 
1 min ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
well ok I suppose a broken promise is still a promise
 
A promise is just the statement of action, not its fulfillment.
 
2 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
oh wait maybe I'm wrong
 
1:42 PM
@StackedCrooked After 2 years here
 
lol
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I only started noticing you a week ago or so,
 
The Korean butterfly spreads its wings...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ah, don't mind me.
 
It's Cicada
 
1:42 PM
<HINT>
 
@sbi Intentional typo I use it in production sometimes. In the example it will be int.
 
dammit cat, spoil the fun, would'ya!
 
@CatPlusPlus I will assume you are joking.
 
@StackedCrooked We're all Cicada.
 
Everyone forgets about Tine.
 
sbi
1:43 PM
@StackedCrooked I don't think I every saw him. But then, what's two years in this room?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's okay I don't mind
^_^
 
@ParkYoung-Bae How does it do that? AFAIK you can't set a task's result directly.
 
3 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
C#'s equivalent of C++ promise is TaskCompletionSource
 
Gee, I feel like Etienne now.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, to me it seems that's actually a pretty good guess. I'm not sure whether to take you seriously, though.
On second thought, by default I probably shouldn't.
 
1:45 PM
TaskCompletionSource is just a way to create a Task imo.
 
It's Cicada
 
who's cicada?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes raises eyebrow Why?
 
@JohanLarsson std::promise is just a way to create a std::future.
 
sbi
1:46 PM
@Abyx Park, according to the cat.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks Obama.
 
@sbi I know a woman (she's a little unusual) who had won tickets for a Johnny Logan concert including meet with him afterwards. So after the concert she was sitting there with her husband together with Johnny and musicians. He was drinking heavily. So she said: For you it's not "what's another year" but rather "what's another beer". Apparently he was greatly amused by this.
 
Xeo
@sbi You sure did see him
 
Yes, Park is Cicada.
 
Xeo
In person, even
 
1:46 PM
Wait who
 
@sbi I mean who's that cicada in the first place?
 
Bad joke alert
 
I thought Cicada was not a real person?
 
sbi
@Xeo Sure. If you say so.
 
Xeo
...
 
1:48 PM
@sbi did you see my ping about Bright Eyes?
 
sbi
@Abyx In the first place, she was a woman. Has a man-like voice, though. And a five-o-clock shadow. And drinks beer. And then he was many different names, the last of which seems to be Park.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope. What about Oberst?
 
2 days ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@sbi btw do you know that Connor Oberst will play in Berlin in August? I won't be in Germany but I thought you might like to know.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I had beers with him. At least in the beginning, he seemed real enough. (The evening's end is a bit hazy on my side.)
 
That's good enough.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, interesting. When in August? I'm away most of it.
 
1:50 PM
Not entirely sure, but I think it's the 12th or something.
Definitely before the 15th (otherwise I'd go)
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, too bad. I'll be away then.
 
Yeah, me too.
 
sbi
Thanks for the heads-up, though.
 
Wait, wasn't Cicada a French girl woman butterfly?
Now I'm really confused.
 
Xeo
...
It's amazing how much people can miss in here.
 
1:55 PM
@rubenvb That was before the surgery.
 
I never noticed any trolling
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, ok.
 
Xeo
@rubenvb (Psst: there was none)
 
My brain is officially fried.
 
Xeo
1:56 PM
Robot's trolling you
 
You guys have got at least something to do with it.
I knew he was trolling.
I failed at anti-trolling.
And I'm out.
Cya!
 
trollophobe
 
Who's in the avatar, btw?
Random Korean Dude #46?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes linkedin.com (log out or private browsing)
 
I think even numbers are finally starting to feel random to me.
@ParkYoung-Bae ... still loading...
 
1:58 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae that's awesome. He's probably a real dude on LinkenIn :-p
 
if I log out I'll never remember my username and pw again
 
Xeo
@ParkYoung-Bae No asian there for me :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Porn mode.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah yes thx
ok seen it now wow what an anti-climax
 

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