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21:00
@Xeo Never heard of XFX.
Corsair PSUs have never failed me.
Xeo
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cheapest 650W/750W branded PSUs at Mindfactory start at 62 :s
the price difference to US is still depressing
That CX750M PSU is $60 here
atm anyway
it's on sale
Xeo
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I could also get mindfactory.de/product_info.php/… but non-modular :(
Why do you care about that
cables are a bitch
21:05
Get a case with a dedicated cable space
Also who cares, you deal with it like never
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I deal with it when putting that thing together!
Those XFX ones are pretty expensive
:v
like 8-10 Euro more expensive
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You don't need 750W surely?
I have a cooler master 750W cause I was noob and didn't ahve a budget :p
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... aw fuck, I just noticed that MSI Z97 Gaming 3 has no SLI. Fuck.
Guess I was a bit too happy about the price
Ah, company sponsored beer.
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21:10
Will you need SLI? I guess you want it to be upgradeable
Xeo
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ye
user1804599
Cool with lasers.
user1804599
I’m so high 少
SLI will add like $40 to the mobo price
Xeo
Xeo
yeah :(
21:13
Get 2 Titans
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which is why I found the Gigabyte Z97x SLI so nice, for 104eur
too bad the price rose :/
@Rapptz exactly that. was at 104 a day or so ago
you guys get the chance to pay per month?
that's pretty weird
is that what it says?
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uh, yeah
that's pretty standard here
new to me
do people actually do it?
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21:16
I guess
I guess I could get this one and with the 10% have it be at 104. That'd be 20eur more than the Gaming 3 but with SLI.
can't find any relative comparision between the two though
damn, the Gaming 3 not having SLI is ruining my evening
Despite my 0 German knowledge, that site is pretty easy to navigate.
Compared to like, ncix.
Which is in English but a pain in the ass to navigate.
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so, question is, do I actually need SLI. Cause 85 for the mobo is pretty yummy, otherwise
the plan with the build was to leave a bit of wiggle room for upgrading down the line, if necessary
the possibility of upgrading is too huge to ignore
if you want to ignore the possibility of upgrading graphics you could get a smaller PSU and everything though
up to you
downside is if down the line you want to upgrade to have SLI you'll have to replace the mobo + PSU
Xeo
Xeo
gaaah, choiceeeees
realistically speaking, I've been on this old PC for almost 7 years, without substantially upgrading it
but having the option is very tempting
if I don't plan to upgrade, I could leave the PSU at 500 or so
21:26
cheapo
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sorry, I don't have 10k to blow on a mac :P
10k can get you 5 iMacs.
still not cheap, but..
But why would you want 5 iMacs
Or even 1
Because they are nice, @CatPlusPlus.
user3010322
@Xeo Get the SLI. Do it now, so instead of being locked into bad parts for another 4 years and then having to completely re-vamp for an upgrade, you can do things incrementally.
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21:28
11 mins ago, by Xeo
I guess I could get this one and with the 10% have it be at 104. That'd be 20eur more than the Gaming 3 but with SLI.
lol, that one is at 105 now
damn fluctuating prices
@StackedCrooked You have a very weird definition of 'nice'
@Xeo I once bought a PC from ichbinleise.de
That was mostly because my old computer was way too loud.
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@StackedCrooked fucking expensive :s
Yeah, they are a bit of a niche.
user1804599
@StackedCrooked ichbinscheiße.de
21:30
yeah, that's @rightfold
user1804599
(defn update-state [state]
  (-> state
      ; …
      (assoc :previous-state state))
user1804599
I can keep game history like this and show statistics to the user as well as a replay feature!
I first had to work on PowerPC Mac in 2005. I really disliked it. Then in 2006 they gave me an iMac which was nice to work on. I used PC at home until 2010. Then I decided to try an iMac for myself.
Which was a good idea.
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y'know what, fuck it with the SLI
user3010322
Noooo.
user3010322
21:37
Keeeep the SLI. ;~;
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realistically, even if I had the option, I'd probably still be running with a single GPU
so whatever
user3010322
You totes wouldn't.
user3010322
You'd used both.
user1804599
@StackedCrooked I like MacBook better.
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@ThePhD Dude, I've been running this PC for 7 years. With a shitty GPU, almost no RAM and no upgrade possibilities
so yeah
21:38
what a noob
@rightfold I had to use MacBook for 3 years. I like that too.
shakes head
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@Rapptz Remind me in 5 years when I complain about not being able to just plug a second GPU in
user1804599
Please talk in ALL CAPS otherwise I can’t read it because I’m wired in.
just buy a stock desktop :v
I wonder if it's cheaper than buying the parts separately now a days
probably not
user3010322
21:41
You usually get crap with tons of bloatware when you don't build manually.
Xeo
Xeo
> Hinweis!
Folgende(r) Artikel haben sich preislich geändert:

MSI Z97 GAMING 3 Intel Z97 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail (alter Preis: € 94,42* | neuer Preis: € 135,75*)
AKLAJLFSJ
seriously
@Rapptz Not really, you're paying shitload of markup
Xeo
Xeo
wtf is up
with those price fluctuations
user3010322
Wat
Just wait 3 months and they'll drop
user3010322
21:42
45 euros
user1804599
The price is up.
Xeo
Xeo
ANNOYING
user3010322
How did that happen.
user1804599
45 daalders.
it's a sign Xeo.
They want you to go 2-way SLI.
21:42
Maybe some new cheaper devices in the lower tier were released or whatever
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@CatPlusPlus in the last 10 minutes?
@Xeo Dual-GPU is a far more feasible upgrade route than it used to be.
a few years ago you could only get like, 1.3-1.4x for dual GPU, now it's pretty close to 2x.
user3010322
@Xeo The world is telling you.... SLI... SLI...!
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@ThePhD the SLI boards also went up in price
21:46
all I'm saying is
it's worth thinking about.
whereas in the past it wasn't really worth thinking about.
user1804599
I’m going to sleep.
user1804599
Badbye.
user3010322
Okaybye.
Xeo
Xeo
21:58
looking at sites other than mindfactory, the prices seem to be lower in general
i.e. at the prices I would like them at
hmm
you can't have nested dropdowns in Bootstrap? fuckers :(
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So, Mindfactory says 1004eur, this one other site says 963, and yet another says 750, but that one doesn't have the PSU / RAM
22:24
TIL: MH370 was the 404'th Boeing 777.
That's creepy...
My first abomination of the weekend :P
I spent much of yesterday night rewriting my flops benchmark.
I'll finish it tonight. Then I need to catch up on Anime and games.
Did it work? OR was it a flop?
dammit I suck
It works.
Good work :)
Ell
Ell
22:32
I need to download scala and python3 portable somehow >.<
All that's really left is for me to clean up the folder a bit. SmartGit made a mess of the directories.
@Mysticial not sure if it's your genre, but maybe checkout Knights of Sidonia
@StackedCrooked I'm about 5 episodes in. And well behind.
I have at least 7 episodes queued up.
As in: DL'ed but haven't gotten around to watching yet.
did you see the scene with the evasion maneuver (asymmetric acceleration)?
Not sure if I remember.
It's been a while.
22:37
It was when the ship made a sharp turn to avoid a collision with alien. The G-forces caused people to fly around.
Oh yeah. I remember that.
That was when I first started to like this series.
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I'm gonna be without internet for 2 weeks :'(
how will I manage? :O
Hi everyone
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@Tuntuni hi
22:39
Been quite a while :D
@Ell where are you going to be?
@Ell you will be bored as fuck
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@Ell Get a VN
or something else to read
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@StackedCrooked yup :P
I'm trying to build python statically now to take for my laptop :L
@Xeo VN?
I'm going to read 1984
I haven't really got any other books I want to read
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@Mysticial btw, any tip for the thermal paste?
@Ell not many books are better
22:44
@Xeo The last time I looked. AS5 was still the best. But it's been a few years since then.
I have a question for any MSVC experts out there: what does MSVC use as its execution character set? The standard says that any physical source file characters that cannot be mapped into the source character set will be represented with the universal-character-name (ucn) i.e. \uXXXX notation. Later on, these ucns in string literals will be converted to their corresponding members of the execution character set. What would that be on MSVC and what would a in char a[] = "čćš"; contain?
I still have 2 large tubes of it. Which is why I haven't really been looking at paste.
@Ell Take a management course. Don't worry - it's easy: fuck up everyone at your level or lower, crawl up the arse of everyone above.
it's been a while, and you're back, with a question?
shoulda been a while longer
@Puppy Are questions bad?
22:45
@MartinJames Did you feed Bailey?
yes.
@rightfold probably reflections from the beamer:
@Puppy Well, fuck me, I've been away for a few days and Bailey gets moe attentiion than I do:) Daisy OK now?
yeah she's good
been sleeping on mah lap since the parents are away.
@MartinJames I didn't really notice you'd been gone. Been working hard on Wide :P I'm used to checking on your dog for you, though.
@Puppy fuck loungers, dogs more important:)
22:48
it's Herb Sutter!
You could also multiply it by zero. That will make the absolute value closer to zero. — Mysticial 19 secs ago
@MartinJames Totally.
4 hours ago, by rightfold
@FredOverflow I love that picture of Sutter. Looks like his glasses are glowing.
It seems you are right!
@Puppy We got him a knuckle bone today, he went batshit crazy:)
Bjarne shows a way to enable a range check for vector::operator[] in debug builds.
Boy can he write dirty code.
It involves inheriting vector publicly. Overriding the operator[]. And then #define std::vector MyVector
The code is in std_lib_facilities.h.
22:53
@StackedCrooked Oh, I remember that atrocity :D
Wait, does #define std::vector whatever actually work? Is the :: part of the macro name?
Or does he merely #define vector with a using namespace std;?
@FredOverflow sorry he wrote #define vector Vector
I suppose that wouldn't work.
@StackedCrooked lol
I thought of another solution a while ago. Since most code is residing in namespaces you can create a namespace std inside your namespace and override vector there.
namespace Company {
    namespace std { struct vector : ::std::vector { ... }; }
    std::vector<T> vec; // my vector
}
@MartinJames Daww, I imagine he did. Daisy goes nuts for lamb bones and salmon skin.
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dam I forgot how bad fat32 is with lots of small files
22:59
@Puppy I think lamb & poultry bones are not recommended for dogs. Sharp splinters can hurt them.
nah that's poultry
lamb bones are fine.
poultry bones can indeed splinter and get stuck in the throat, causing death through asphyxiation.
we don't give her poultry bones
@Ell Is etx? any better?
I give my dogs moose/reindeer horns, bones leaves residues on clothes and furniture.
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@MartinJames I just formatted to ext and can't get permissions for the damn thing :L
@JohanLarsson I am in UK midlands, moose/reindeer horns are in short supply.
23:04
should be deer horns to find
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Hmm I can't even cd into it
@Ell Yup, your FS is stuft.
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hmm
user3010322
Lol
user3010322
23:18
Missing templates so bad in C#
user3010322
"Oh, I want to make a class that at-compile-time splits something up into 3 chunks"
user3010322
"Oh wait, now I need 2..."
user3010322
"I know! I'll just templa- ...."
user3010322
RIP fun.
wow
Bjarne uses __gnu_cxx!
for shame
// disgusting macro hack to get a range checked vector:
#define vector Vector
why not use .at?
23:24
this is pretty cool
it is Rapptz
@Rapptz Because PERFORMANCE
@ThePhD Compile-time is overrated
(Also T4)
it's because this was before C++11 so at didn't exist
still stupid
23:31
What
at() existed since forever
pretty sure at() was in C++03.
TIL
I'm p sure it was in SGI STL
user3010322
But ~~syntax~~
No, it's just dumb PERFROMANCE
23:32
then I have no idea
what performance benefit?
It makes no sense
Not benefit, the terrible ~~~~~~~~~~~overhead~~~~~~~~~~~~~ of range checking
Steam, y u no connect :(
...?
most people use [] by default, even if .at() is available, regardless of whether it's safe or not or if they need the performance or not.
evening range checkers
23:33
Cat do you even know what I'm talking about?
evening
@TonyTheLion evening, you wondrous fucker <3
@Borgleader sup?
@TonyTheLion cant connect to steam, otherwise yay weekend, you?
just yay weekend
I'm wondering if I should go north London tomorrow to see a friend, or if I should stay home.
23:35
Don't exceptions have super overhead?
@Rapptz Yes, but you appear to not, so w/e
@Jefffrey i thought they didnt anymore? something called "jump tables" iirc
@Jefffrey That... is a complicated topic.
exceptions incur radically different performance penalties in different contexts, let alone different implementations.
(disclaimer i have no clue what im talking about)
@CatPlusPlus how do you decide number of ~ and are they always matched?
23:36
I decided to stop polluting the global namespace. Now where can I define my namespace?
Did you a word?
@Code-Apprentice yes
@JohanLarsson More sarcasm more ~~~~
And ahaha no I don't have OCD
23:37
yet
in your average context in your average desktop program, you don't need to give two shits about the performance of EH.
even in pretty tight loops.
but there are some contexts where it can be more serious and especially once you expand out of userspace desktop/server
@JohanLarsson 11 vs 13 so no, they aren't always matched
in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Jul 8 at 16:26, by terdon
It always bugged me that it was called disorder. Obsessive compulsive order sounds so much, well, neater.
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@Puppy EH?
exception handling
23:41
@Jefffrey Canadians
If not for sits, then why is it made of warm? http://t.co/eTyMevlIPL
hmm
I may have to switch the main development platform of Wide from Windows to Linux.
Interesting. Why?
Because developing on Windows is a fucking pain in the ass
test times.
it's takes a huge amount of time, like 10-20 seconds, for debug Clang to parse a stdlib header.
Ell
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23:48
I think you should do it
and on Windows with MSVC you can't link together a release Clang and a debug Wide.
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You have ubuntu installed somewhere IIRC?
yeah
I still hate Linux and the experience there still feels sub-par
but if I keep adding tests at the current rate, my testing times will become totally unfeasible
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How come?
I'm sure you hate ubuntu and not linux
Every distro is different
well, as near as I can tell, Ubuntu is supposed to be the more user-friendly of the lot, so whilst it's more accurate to say that I hate Ubuntu, I don't feel a realistic prospect for improvement by spending hours and hours (swamp connection) downloading a thousand distros to experiment with.
23:52
Linux is the kernel. All the rest is GNU. Everything you interface with as a user is GNU.
well, with GDB, practically everything feels more laborious.
So blame the GNU.
even stepping through the stack is way more effort than with MSVC.
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I quite like gdb
although it's nice that they can evaluate virtual functions...
Ell
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23:52
But then I haven't tried msvc debugger
@StackedCrooked Not really, no
and the Ubuntu apps that I've got are decidedly sub-par.
they forget my files all the time, they seem to crash more often
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@puppy I'm sure as you become more experienced you will become more efficient
and half the time when you want to install something it doesn't work.
I couldn't even figure out how to install flash player.
or push with hg.
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@stacked I don't think it's all gnu. But it's not linux
23:54
it's just so much effort to make the basic stuff there actually work in comparison.
Neither X11 nor any WM/DEs are GNU
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How could you not commit in hg?
it's actually pushing, not committing.
I couldn't figure out how to kick hg into accepting my bitbucket username/password.
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Also Pfft who needs flash :P
You make an SSH key, like you should on every platform
23:55
fuck that
It's actually less hassle on Linux
tortoisehg accepts my username/password just fine.
and it's super nice to be able to see the status, the diffs, and the commit message all in one window at the same time.
If you do it on linux it's more pro.
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I just find linux a lot more efficient
Having a decent shell is good
I simply don't need one.
23:57
PoSH is decent
the maximum of my shell interactions is python site.py.
Unity is not very efficient.
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Being able to do all programming without moving the mouse
means that you have a primitive one-dimensional interface that can only express text
@Ell Thats the thing I like about Linux, the shells.
Only if I could be arsed to set it up properly for daily use on my machine
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23:58
@puppy you need to get used to working from a shell if you want to be productive in linux imho
Or productive period
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@puppy what do I need to see that isn't text?
Or just, you know, able to use a lot of programming tools
not needing a mouse is the best experience
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Yeah I think so too
23:59
but getting Linux set up properly requires :effort:
so there's that
and I cba
vagrant up
Done
setting up linux takes like an hour tops for me

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