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user1804599
3:00 PM
Lounge<C++> Simulator 2014
 
yeah, every now and then this new user comes and says "hi can i ask question about php"
then a QTE starts and you have 2 seconds to say "no" otherwise it defaults to "no"
 
Xeo
Whee, coding in C++.
wheeeee
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A: Variable number of (const) reference arguments

qorillaI found a way that works but it may not be the ideal solution. The problem with std::reference_wrapper is that it can't be created from an rvalue reference. So I wrote my own any_reference_wrapper like this: template<class T> class any_reference_wrapper { public: any_reference_wrapper(T&& t...

I.. wha... WHAT
 
@Xeo I got an invitation to drop my CV for an intermediate/senior C++ game programmer seat at a "multinational company that develops mobile games and has an office in Cluj-Napoca (i.e. my city)"
considering my background info I have no idea why the headhunter thought I'd be a good fit for a C++ job
also Gameloft is the only company here that fits that description so I'm not sure secrecy is that much in order, huh
 
Wait what.
> Mobile Game Programmer, ARPA Media Ltd.
> Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science [in progress]
 
yes, but I work with Unity and C#
maybe they saw that I contributed to Arx Libertatis a couple of times
that one is in C++ and is basically game engine work
 
3:08 PM
Wait. What is a bachelor degree?
 
the degree that you get after studying X years of CS
 
Is it like the second degree you get or the second?
 
is it not?
the first
Bachelor's, Master's, PhD
that's how it is in Romania
 
There's a thing called laurea magistrale here, which is like the second master degree.
You get a degree after 3 years, and if you continue you can get another after 2.
 
Yum.. sunny afternoon, pastrami, pickles. mustard and SOAP. What more could I want?
 
3:10 PM
My point being: you don't have a degree and you already have job experience?
 
Xeo
That's not rare
I don't have a degree either
except if you count that Games Academy certificate thingy
 
@Jefffrey yeah
been working since I was in 10th grade or so
 
@AlexM. How were you able to combine work with university? I barely have time to sleep.
 
I don't find uni to be that difficult tbh
it's just that I leave everything until the end I have to do it all at once
I'm quite okay with grades like 5,6 or 7 out of 10, so it barely affects me
 
@MartinJames ... umm ... beer? :p
 
3:12 PM
I'm sure if I wanted 10/10 I wouldn't have been able to pull it off
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey The people here who go to university don't actually go there, most of the time. Or have reduced work hours
 
^ yeah I go 6 hours/day instead of 8 hours/day (full time)
 
time 4 bed ... my comfy, warm, soft, bed
 
and I sometimes go there on Saturdays
and if I have to, I ask my manager to let me work from home on Sundays
also that's true too, I don't go to uni often
if the profs were fair, I wouldn't be able to pass because of all my absences
 
@chmod711telkitty That would be good, yes, but beer and SOAP do not agree:(( I will have to wait for my beer until I have sorted my jurassic-app redesigns.
 
3:14 PM
but a lot of other students started working in the 2nd year, and it would mean failing a lot of people
 
@Xeo Do you, like, have online video lessons or something?
 
Xeo
Dunno
 
don't all profs upload the courses on their websites?
 
Xeo
Never been to university :P
 
I thought it's common practice
 
3:16 PM
So, people don't go to university. They just take the exam?
 
that's me
 
Xeo
They don't go most of the time
 
I go at the end of the semester to present assignments
but that's about it
 
Xeo
But most people I asked actually find it easier to learn at home and just do the exams, yeah
 
@AlexM. Just slides, not video lessons.
 
3:16 PM
well yeah but I found that slides are always enough to pass
also each prof recommends a book to study from at least at my uni
you buy the book, you skim through it, bam! you're ready for the exam
most books are written by the profs themselves so if they see you read them, they auto-pass you (well not really but you get the point)
I think it's great that they allow this
I learn best at home with a book
 
I feel like either I'm particularly stupid, or there's a difficulty gap that is pretty impressive.
 
@Jefffrey I have 10 hours of mandatory classes each week. And I frequent about 75% of them.
 
Only the course of "physic" is as easy as you describe. But that's just because no one cares about "physic" and it will be removed next year.
And by "physic" I mean "Physics".
 
I don't see any point in them forcing me to sit at a desk writing... dunno, some code to solve a Project Euler problem instead of listening to what the prof in front of me says
 
I wish I was in a course where the only two subjects where Physics and Type Theory
 
3:20 PM
it's pretty logical that if I wanted to listen to profs I would have gone there myself
@Jefffrey I think you've just become used to studying a lot
and that's fine
when I started working in high school I also treated my studies the same (i.e. an afterthought)
 
I don't study at all. That's why I'm like 1 and half year late.
 
when it was time for the final exams, at the maths simulation I got a 1.2/10 LOL
but in less than 3 weeks I studied and went up to 7.5/10
 
But that's ok. The average for people to do all the 3 years is 5.4 years.
 
@Jefffrey pff
I have no delays so far
 
Delays are pretty common in my university.
 
3:23 PM
which is pretty dang awesome if I manage to get my diploma on time
 
I have a failed exam that I have to retake next year :(
I was the only guy in the college who failed it
 
@Jefffrey I lost count of how much time it took me to almost but not quite finish a three-year degree, but it was more than that.
 
I did 3.5 years in 3.5 years but it felt like 35
 
there
also fuck this shit
 
the trick to make college feel like it's happening fast is to hate the exams
 
3:25 PM
I've shown up to the goddamn classes but of course they are canceled
fucking dickheads
 
lol
 
the more you hate the exams the quicker they come to haunt you
 
And then I took 6/30 on C with classes once.
That was amazing.
I've then took a 22/30, but that 6/30 really helped in making me less cocky.
 
huh, I got 10/10 at the OOP with C++ exam, but that's mostly because I didn't want to leave the prof who did some mistakes when checking my exam alone
I pointed out two mistakes
at the third he just wrote down 10/10 and said congrats
lol
 
And once I've passed it I realized that all the "bullshits" they taught there, were actually pretty important (which were preconditions-postconditions-invariants).
 
3:28 PM
we did code contracts in python
 
I was a fucking PHP devlopr back then. So, yeah, worse than a newbie.
 
in the first semester of the first year
that's a nice introduction to programming now that I think of it
 
@AlexM. That's probably the most useful topic I've ever learned in university.
 
assembly, TDD, code contracts, UML
all in the first semester of the first year
 
wtf
TDD? They don't even mention "tests" in our university.
Nor "git".
Nor languages other than C-with-classes, PHP and Java. But that's pretty common, apparently.
 
3:30 PM
they didn't talk about VCS here either
but TDD was well emphasized and still is
there are classes in the 2nd and 3rd year where you fail if you don't do proper testing
even if testing is not their point
 
I love your university.
 
@Jefffrey You have to see an university like any large corporation. They're slow moving and have a high resistance to change.
 
user1804599
They told us to use Git, that was all.
 
user1804599
Oh and the test asked what $ git commit and $ git push did.
 
user1804599
The only ~testing~ stuff we got was TMap, and even the teacher said he had zero experience with it (so it was already completely worthless and idiotic by definition).
 
3:36 PM
bah, sending my CV anyway, ain't got nothing to lose
 
I'd work for free to be honest. Just to get some experience.
 
I was thinking about not spending my 2nd year at my current workplace anyway
 
@AlexM. Why?
 
the technical focus slowly changed to buying assets and putting them together to release as much as possible as often as possible, last time I wrote my own real piece of logic was months ago
I don't consider the pay to be enough to make up for me to stop progressing for 6 hours per day
does this make sense?
 
yes
 
3:42 PM
@Jefffrey After a few days, you will get very thin and need to eat stuff.
 
lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel And also completely unfun to be in?
Seems accurate
 
it is unfun imo too
all school was unfun to me, college is no exception
I don't understand people who say they loved school
I'm so glad to have gotten rid of it
 
@CatPlusPlus In this room, there seems to be a direct correlation between "not having lots of fun in life to begin with" and "not having fun in university".
 
The only good things I got in uni was a job and meeting a couple of people
 
3:50 PM
Same here. Still think it was worth it.
 
why are lunch tickets benefits
I hate them
they're like money but not really money
not to mention that they require you to also have money to be safe
and you can't pay the bills with them either
 
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Q: Specifying a concept for a type that has a member function template using Concept Lite

gnzlbgI'm trying to specify a concept to constrain a higher kinded type that has a member function template using Concepts Lite. However I am not able to find inside the technical specification or the tutorial a clause dealing with templated statements inside a concept. How is this done? Example, sup...

 
I do not know about the down vote, but your live demo is not printing anything out other then "runghc main.cpp OK". — Davorak 5 mins ago
lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't understand 'not having fun in university'. Are there uni's with no girls or beer?
 
4:03 PM
@MartinJames Yeah, that puzzles me.
I'm guessing people who don't like girls and/or beer are gonna have a tough time.
 
user1804599
Yes, everyone finds exactly the same things fun.
 
user1804599
Everyone always has exactly the same preferences.
 
do girls run on Windows 8.1 too?
I use that
 
@EtiennedeMartel Mine had both though, TBH, the beer was shite, (but cheap:).
 
Girls are people. Just like soylent green.
@MartinJames Our beer was both good and cheap.
 
4:05 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Meh.. :(
 
also what do you mean when you say beer in uni?
 
user1804599
The best student of our class was a girl.
 
like, universities giving away beer?
 
Our student association purchased a lot of it in bulk, so we had good deals.
 
we don't have that, but it doesn't matter because alcohol is always cheap in Romania
 
4:05 PM
@EtiennedeMartel No such thing exists
 
@AlexM. Not really. The union bars just bought the cheapest beer available.
 
I get my beer from these guys
Groupe Auchan SA () is a French international retail group and multinational corporation headquartered in Croix, France. It is one of the world's principal distribution groups with a presence in 12 countries and 269,000 employees. The company began when Gérard Mulliez opened his first self-service shop in Roubaix in the district of Hauts-Champs -pronunciation is very similar to "Auchan". Auchan has branches in France, and internationally in Italy, India, Spain, Portugal, Luxembourg, Poland, Hungary, Russia, China, Taiwan, Romania and Ukraine. , Auchan had 639 hypermarkets and 2,412 su...
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Because beer is always bad.
 
they have lots of import beer
 
@CatPlusPlus It exists here.
 
4:07 PM
350ml of beer is usually around $1.5, even for imported beer
the only exceptions are the brands that are very expensive by default
 
I remember being able to buy a 12-pack of decent tasting beer at 14$ (tax included) at the student coop.
 
like Samichlaus, Guinness and Murphy's
 
user1804599
I know a guy who had to use Publisher at school to make a website.
 
@AlexM. Guiness is overrated.
 
user1804599
4:09 PM
Guinness Book of Records
 
@EtiennedeMartel I like it better than Murphy's which is one of its main competitors
these are the only two irish stouts that I know the store sells
 
@Jefffrey It's my standby for when I'm in a pub and the bitter is undrinkable, (except when I'm in Ireland, of course:).
 
@MartinJames And except when it's Saint Patrick's day.
;)
 
@Jefffrey Oh yeah - that too.
 
user1804599
4:11 PM
Patrick is a starfish not a saint silly.
 
Hmm.. Anne is cooking something. I gotta go investigate the smells..
OK, it's liver, bacon and onions. There will now be a brief pause while I forget my circumferential crisis.
 
ARGDSHFGHGF Piece of shit binding rvalues to lvalue refs again.
 
lol
 
inb4 use wide
 
> If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.
 
4:20 PM
lol
good point
 
lel
 
@MartinJames Is that an euphemism for fat?
 
you're a euphemism for fat.
 
I want to eat some boiled eggs
but first I have to go buy eggs
ugh
 
you'll also have to boil them!
 
4:29 PM
well that's not much of an issue
it's raining outside
the store is close but still
 
weakling
 
@AlexM. Boil them while it's raining, and then go and buy them when the rains stops.
 
real men put a coat on and go out even if it's raining volcanic ash or radioactive dust
 
or meteorites
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Look, just because my office chair collapsed, and I have not replaced the flat battery in our scales, it does not mean I'm fat...
 
user1804599
4:30 PM
@DeadMG TIL he’s your mother.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll ask the shopkeeper to boil them for me then I'll pick the eggs up when the rain stops :O
 
@rightfold He's a euphemism for fat, not the euphemism for fat
 
user1804599
You’re right.
 
user1804599
Fat is an euphemism for your mom.
 
I don't believe that it is.
 
user1804599
4:39 PM
@AlexM. just eat them raw.
 
user1804599
Or rotten.
 
:(
even runny eggs are disgusting to me
 
user1804599
I don’t like eggs at all.
 
user1804599
Fuck eggs.
 
I boil them until they crack
then I know they're 100% not runny
I do like semi-runny eggs with fries though
 
4:40 PM
After the meat, eggs are the best part of the chicken.
 
this is the best part of the egg
 
Xeo
wheee, home
 
user1804599
I always wondered.
 
user1804599
Why the fuck do chicken put so much energy into creating chickless eggs.
2
 
4:45 PM
wut
 
Fucking eggs how do they work
 
chickens are pretty awesome and they seem to be more interesting than... say, cows
 
Xeo
Omg, Humble Daily Bundles
 
the cow I think is the most boring animal
 
user1804599
I prefer cows.
 
4:46 PM
all it ever does is eat and sit
and walk to another place in order to eat or sit some more
 
Xeo
Shitton of games in today's daily bundle
 
user1804599
@AlexM. Turtles. :V
 
at least those hide away when you poke them!
I poked a cow once, it gave me a look and then continued to eat grass :\
 
user1804599
Clearly cows don’t give a shit about you.
 
It gets poked.
 
4:48 PM
@rightfold lol
 
user1804599
She was probably too hungry to attack you.
 
@Xeo is it not a re-release of a previous bundle?
I remember getting the bundle with risen 2 in it
@rightfold oh, forgot about the horns
guess they also do that
 
user1804599
Anyway chihuahua worst animal, followed by human.
 
no, these are the worst
The Pekingese (also known as the Lion-Dog, Pekingese Lion-Dog, Pelchie Dog, or Peke) is an ancient breed of toy dog, originating in China. They are called Lion-Dogs due to their resemblance to Chinese guardian lions (the Shih Tzu is also known as a Lion-Dog in Chinese). The breed was favored by royalty of the Chinese Imperial court as both a lap dog and companion dog, and its name refers to the city of Peking (Beijing) where the Forbidden City resides. The breed has several characteristics and health issues related to its unique appearance. Because of its desirable characteristics, t...
 
user1804599
Nah.
 
4:55 PM
Bulldogs are the worse.
They're the most disgusting end product of any genetic engineering project we ever did.
 
@rightfold and preceded by Cat.
 
The things barely work, but some people think they're pretty (WTF?) so yeah, let's breed them pure and shit.
So revolting.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :<
@AlexM. :<
 
@Jefffrey It'll have difficulty keeping itself cool when it grows up, higher incidences of all sorts of diseases and a 90% chance of not dying of old age.
It's ridiculous. In a revolting manner.
 
@Jefffrey a single cute puppy won't change my mind!
 
Xeo
4:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes 90% chance of immortality? THAT'S AWESOME!
 
pekingese make a hell of a noise
 
user1804599
@Xeo dat interpretation of Aging Mechanics.
 
@Xeo No. 90% of them die of health complications not related to old age.
 
it's a nightmare to have a neighbor with one near you
 

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