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12:18 AM
oh god I've missed my 150meg
 
what's confusing you
I just downloaded last night's The Mentalist in the time it took us to have this non-conversation
lately I've been more used to sitting in a hotel's bar waiting 25 minutes and forced to talk to you muppets in the meantime
this time all I needed to endure was a single ?
bliss :)
 
efficiency, Tomalak, efficiency :p
 
<3
omg about to play Halo
omg
 
12:25 AM
Hello
 
that's one tel of a kitty
 
That's so awful my eyes are now bleeding
 
x
I mean, seriously, what made you think that it was appropriate to show us your code when it's in this abominable state? — Lightness Races in Orbit 4 secs ago
 
12:50 AM
is it UB to pass more varargs to a function like printf than it uses?
 
good question
probably not
the calling site can't know how many the definition uses
 
good point
was thinking of that too
however that does not necessarily mean the standard allows trailing unused arguments
 
8.3.5/4 (declaration) has no problem with it
can't find anything in definition
 
The fprintf function writes output to the stream pointed to by stream, under control
of the string pointed to by format that specifies how subsequent arguments are
converted for output. If there are insufficient arguments for the format, the behavior is
undefined. If the format is exhausted while arguments remain, the excess arguments are
evaluated (as always) but are otherwise ignored. The fprintf function returns when
the end of the format string is encountered.
C standard
:v
 
ok
that's fprintf specifically, though
I strongly doubt there's a general rule for varargs functions, but don't have the balls to prove it
 
1:01 AM
I guess.
 
well
 
It depends on the function, IMO.
 
You have to expect n amount of arguments.
 
n-1 is obviously an error
but n+1 should be fine
 
1:02 AM
Also, cpp reference says the behaviour for printf is undefined if it goes n+1 or n-1
I thought that was wrong so I checked C standard and the C++ one doesn't mention printf outside of referring to the C standard.
 
no it doesn't
cppreference: If there are more arguments than required by format, the extraneous arguments are evaluated and ignored
 
Oh I must have misread.
oops :p
 
1:14 AM
There's really no reason why more arguments would be UB
Also fuck varargs don't use varargs god
 
the cat is back \o/
\O/ \0/ \o/ \./
 
1:46 AM
frankly even the UB rule for printf and friends seems overly self-defensive
I suppose it opens up the core language to implement varargs however it wants but, then, why wouldn't the language simply emplace that same restriction
it's all a bit of a nothingness
 
2:15 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's just taken me 6 minutes with my crappy 8 meg ADSL:(
..and now I'm too tired to watch it.
 
2:26 AM
Damn.
I need my gold C++ badge.
 
You're pretty close.
 
@Rapptz buy-so-votes-cheap.com
 
You're closer to a gold badge than I am to a gold badge.
Not that it matters though since nearly all the performance questions that I can judge are in C or C++.
 
cheapupvotes.stackexchange.com
repexhcange.com
None of my friends replied to me in the past 2 hours ... maybe I have no friends any more ~_~
 
user2260218
2:57 AM
Anyone here good at MIPS?
 
3:36 AM
@chmod711telkitty >2 hours
> 2 hours
lol
 
what?
 
> 2 HOURS
LOL
 
4:26 AM
YES, TOTALLY FRIENDLESS FOR 2 HOURS ... then one of my friends replied. ROFL
 
I am temporarily stuck on a WinXp Pentium4 with 1.5GB of RAM. Should I attempt to install VS so I can easily keep editing my existing code, or screw it and find another IDE for the meantime?
I'm tempted to try to install VS2010 IDE and the VS2013 toolkit for actual compilation
 
@Mysticial Voting patterns in don't fit very well with badges. The only two gold badges are for second and fifth places by rep (and the most obvious guess at the next one to get it would be in fourth place). Doesn't make a whole lot of sense...
@MooingDuck Compilation won't be a problem, but trying to run a reasonably current IDE in only 1.5 Gig of RAM? Gonna be painful. Pretty much need a pre-WPF version of the IDE to get decent performance on a machine like that.
Well, compilation may be a problem too, but it's more about the hard drive(s) than the CPU/memory.
 
right, but I don't think VS2008 can use other toolkits. I think 2010 is the oldest with that capability
OTOH, even VS2013 is still only 32bit, so maybe the 1.5G won't hurt quite so much...
 
@MooingDuck Might work out all right, at least as long as you basically just use it as an editor. Doing a quick check, Taskman says it's consuming around 250 MB of memory with even the most trivial project open, and compiling uses another 50 MB or so. Taskman is only an extremely rough guide even at best, but still enough to give at least some notion of the fact that it's going to be on the tight side.
 
4:43 AM
@JerryCoffin I can do 250MB easy I think
I might even be able to keep SO open in the background
 
@MooingDuck It is still less than Chrome, anyway.
@MooingDuck I've certainly run IDEs in a whole lot less.
 
what is the preferred way of doing SFINAE with enable_if on functions?
return type?
 
I had been intending to just use IE since this is temporary and lacking in HD space, but it came with IE6, so most pages wouldn't load, including the Windows Updater, or the pages to download IE7 and IE8, so I had to install chrome
@nightcracker (A) as a template parameter, (B) in the return type, then as a last resort, (C) a trailing defaulted parameter
hey, where's my backtick key?
oh, by the spacebar, of course
template<class T, class allowed=decltype(std::cout<<std::declval<T>())> void foo(T&& t) {std::cout << std::forward<T>(t);}
 
with A do you mean like template<class T, class = typename std::enable_if<>::type>?
 
I don't like enable_if, but yes
 
4:47 AM
@MooingDuck As an experiment I set up a machine with Win2K about a year ago or so. Couldn't even load enough pages to try to update much of anything.
 
last time I used this computer, I installed VS 2005. Took 3 hours. Then didn't run well. So I uninstalled. 10 hours.
VS has the worst uninstallers ever
 
@MooingDuck I take it you never tried OS/2 2.x?
 
@MooingDuck pretty sure that is not true ... unless you have never tried uninstalling much else
 
@JerryCoffin not that old
@chmod711telkitty I've never had anything else take longer to uninstall than VS
@chmod711telkitty though to be fair, there were many uninstallers that left stuff behind so that's kinda cheating
 
@MooingDuck that's what I meant
 
4:51 AM
@MooingDuck A pretty horrible installer and even worse uninstaller. With the wrong type of hard drive, you had to sit through about a 3 hour install just to get a readme file that told you to go back and start over from the beginning...
 
oh ffs. I had put all of my cd keys in a file as backups. It's an xlsx. Now I have to insatll something that can open those >.< not my smartest idea
 
we all do stupid things, just some more than others :p
 
@MooingDuck You can probably get to them without a current copy of Excel. Rename it it xxx.zip, then unzip and you'll find a couple of XML files containing the actual data. Modifying it isn't easy at all, but just reading raw data is pretty easy.
 
oh right, that could work
there, keys extracted to a text file. much more useful
 
@MooingDuck Coolness.
 
5:03 AM
It's kinda irksome that so many programs that used to run well on 1.5G no longer do :/ Dropbox is taking a whole 130M all by itself
 
Dropbox takes up 15 MB for me.
 
it's still syncing, so that's probably the cause
 
If you have to think about RAM, you don't have enough RAM
The solution is to buy more RAM
 
agreed. My "new" computer just died of old age, so now I'm on the "old" computer until I buy a "newer" one.
Also, my car's paint has sorta been... missing for quite some time, and I put off painting it because money. But there's a tiny rust post so I can't put it off anymore and have to dish out cash for a paint job now.
Also, wife just graduated so we're several thousand USD in debt
 
You're bad at maintaining things
 
5:08 AM
oh very
but the computer thing was a short on the logic board, not my fault
the car.... that's my fault
 
@MooingDuck Nothing except code deserves maintenance anyway.
 
I only maintain code when paid to do so
otherwise I just rewrite it with more templates
 
It is sufficiently maintained if it works when nobody touches it
 
@MooingDuck Still thinking there's something that's not your fault. Nice reminder of how recently married you still are. :-)
 
I was handed some legacy code at work a while back, and QA tested it and found tons of defects and now management is concerned that it had no defects for years but got like 50 immediately after assigning it to me >.>
 
5:12 AM
Congratulate management on earlier maintenance efforts
 
Speaking of problems, my friends replied with "we were quiet because we thought you were busy?"
 
Some balloons, "it's okay, you tried" banner...
 
I was quiet, it is true, but it is not because I was super busy it was because I was very troubled ... stuck in limbo. Why so many red taps!!! Also no money, so trying to build as cheap as possible, which means longer waiting period
 
And a saddest :toot: ever
 
I'm going to bed now
 
5:13 AM
I should've gone to bed 7 hours ago
 
@MooingDuck G'night.
@CatPlusPlus Dawn: the time when men of reason go to bed.
 
Time to play some games
 
no work?
 
I just got Fabric working, enough work for now
 
5:35 AM
 
Hello!
 
meaou ~purrs~
 
Sam
6:21 AM
hi guys..!!
 
\o
 
6:37 AM
\o/
 
Well, that escalated quickly. — BoltClock ♦ 22 mins ago
 
Xeo
6:54 AM
mornin
> "Find the bug in my code for free" is why this site was created.
ahahaha
 
Holy crap.
~35k rep
 
I'm so constipated today.
2
 
I kind of assumed the guy had like 200 rep or something.
 
Xeo
Answering all the things
that's why he doesn't want them closed :D
 
incorrect subs annoy me so bad
earlier today I found subs in comic sans and they were wrong too
 
7:03 AM
I need new jeans - one problem; I hate shopping for jeans
 
Shopping is the worst
#firstworldproblems
Really?
 
I mean - you walk into a shop
then you walk around like an idiot looking for a piece of clothing
and you repeat that N times for N being rather large
 
then social interaction :c
 
it is so annoying
 
bye
 
7:12 AM
Project Euler #282: Sum Ack(n, n) for 1 <= n <= 6. dafuq?
 
argh; why are there 5 kinds of different standards for jeansize?
 
Xeo
@Code-Guru Is that supposed to be Ack(1,1), Ack(2,2) or Ack(1,1), Ack(1,2), going through all combinations?
 
this is worse than programming
 
Only one here.
 
Sam
ok guys... time to go
 
7:17 AM
there are 4 different numbers on my old jeans
are they serious?
 
@Xeo my reading is Ack(1,1) + Ack(2,2) ...
 
Xeo
ye
 
We use 2 numbers.
Waist circumference and length.
 
Xeo
sounds simple, just needs the Ackermann function implemented :D
 
In inches.
 
7:18 AM
says you
Ack(4,4) blows up
hell, Ack(4,1) takes 3 mins with memoization
 
call it with graham's number
 
/snort
 
Xeo
@Rapptz We have that too, but different jeans companies use different size-scales.
like, UK scale, US scale, some other special scale...
 
I see what these 4 numbers are now!
 
Xeo
which is just "fuck you all"
 
7:20 AM
waist circumference and length and then some other waist circumference and length
yeah; 2 retarded scales
 
Guess today you learned how to shop for clothes eh.
 
I think it's like continental scale and UK scale
I usually just walk in and ask: I need X (for me)
and the shop person just suggests me an item :P
 
This seems a lot more like a math assignment than programming assignment.
 
that's project euler for you, @VáclavZeman
 
That's because it is.
 
7:22 AM
wolfram gives: too large to represent lol
guess that's why PE wants it mod 14^8
 
user1804599
I wish Z shell stored timestamps in .zsh_history. That way I could sync them with home and work computers.
 
@rightfold: Hack it to do that.
 
user1804599
I could fork it.
 
user1804599
I don't think a plugin will do, though.
 
useful
 
7:28 AM
Well, then fork it and contribute a patch.
 
user1804599
@sehe Yes. It is full of use.
 
weird ... I declared a container 'static', it is not giving an instant error on a new() for this container
 
you could make .zsh_history a symbolic link to a file in your dropbox
hm, you might still need the timestamps.
 
user1804599
Well, should work.
 
user1804599
Given I never use Z shell on both computers at the same time.
 
7:39 AM
You mean you're so full of it? ;)
 
user1804599
 
The only thing I've learned about cryptography is that Alice and Bob don't want Eve to know they're in love with each other. Oh yeah and prime numbers. Huuuuuge prime numbers.
8
 
user1804599
Cicada and I don't want Jefffrey to know we're in love with each other.
 
Then you better think of prime numbers quick.
 
user1804599
Well, we're a total of two people, so I'd say two is a fitting prime number.
 
7:45 AM
@FredOverflow 15
 
2 is not incredibly huge.
@StackedCrooked 15 = 3*5
 
user1804599
That's what she said.
 
17.
 
user1804599
1 is a prime number because it is the first number.
 
7:46 AM
What about 0?
 
user1804599
What is 0?
 
0 isn't prime or composite.
 
@rightfold The predecessor of 1?
 
user1804599
0 is a hole, so I like it.
2
 
The neutral element of addition.
The thing that when cast to a void* is the NULL pointer in C :)
 
user1804599
7:47 AM
@FredOverflow Oh, you mean OutOfBoundsException?
 
omg that's so dirty, that's like saying "1 is a stick, so I like it"
 
user1804599
in C#, 18 mins ago, by Harish
hi,how beginner asp.net developer can start making money?
 
user1804599
This is hilarious.
 
@rightfold McDonalds is always hiring.
 
user1804599
:D
 
7:48 AM
umm ... have not had fast food for more than a week ... kind of having a craving for it now you mentioned
 
@rightfold photocopy machine
 
@chmod711telkitty Last time I ate at McDonalds was August 2006.
And it wasn't very good.
 
omg so precise
 
Guess what, McDonalds isn't very exciting for Vegetarians :)
 
user1804599
I ate McDonald's yesterday and it was fucking horribly nasty.
 
user1804599
7:49 AM
Especially after Greek food I ate last Sunday.
 
@chmod711telkitty July 31st 2006, to be more precise.
 
Xeo
mmm, I hope we're eating Greek again during our next D&D session
we have a pretty good restaurant close to our DM's place
 
user1804599
Eat me.
 
@FredOverflow lol what happened that day?
 
@chmod711telkitty Wacken 2006
 
7:50 AM
@FredOverflow here, have a cauliflower
 
user1804599
Dungeon Master sounds like some kinky BDSM thing.
 
Xeo
BDSM - Badass Dungeon Super Master
 
@rightfold you must be thinking of the PC game with that title
 
Xeo
that reminds me, new QC comic \o/
 
user1804599
I am not.
 
7:51 AM
@rightfold No Dungeon Master without Dungeon Slave, I assume?
 
@rightfold You could beat your minions to make them work harder. Among the minions, only the SM girls enjoyed it.
 
Xeo
...
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked do it with love, though.
 
...
50 shades of grey
 
Morning
 
7:58 AM
heyo
 
user1804599
50 Shades of Gay.
 
Oh, that was Dungeon Keeper, not Dungeon Master.
 
user1804599
8:21 AM
Hmm.
 
user1804599
I have fs which is a list of filters.
 
user1804599
Currently doing this although it's technically redundant since filter (-> true) is the identity operation: fs.push <| (-> true) if dialog.find('.all-pages').is(':checked')
 
user1804599
But it's so consistent with the rest of the code!
 
user1804599
Ah I'll remove it.
 
8:42 AM
A keepr, a master - a Dungeon gang, kinky!
FYI I have never read 40 shades of grey or twilight - not really a romantic book fan
 
I just singlehandedly closed a question.
Fuck, now I found a better dupe.
Should I reopen and reclose or is that impossible?
 
If so, would someone help me change the dupe link?
 
@DeadMG yeah, I had the dumbs yesterday
probably because of the lack of sleep... which is totally gone now, yay!
spent around 15 hours in bed, which only means I won't be sleeping tonight, again :(
I live such an unbalanced life it's not even funny
 
Xeo
Get a job, it's a magical cure for abnormal sleep-cycles (except in Cat's case)
 
8:55 AM
well I do have a job
but the schedule is so flexible (i.e. I only have to do a number of hours per month) it barely affects me
it's 11:55 AM and I just arrived to work
going to leave late in the evening
 

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