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5:01 PM
last time I looked there was nothing regarding overalignment in C++14 draft
 
@AlexM. All I read was "Torvalds is a massive cock and his ego is the size of saturn"
 
@Borgleader Saturn? Saturn isn't that big, silly.
 
	/**
	 * Get uniformly distributed pseudo random number in [0,1).
	 *
	 * @return Pseudo random number in [0,1).
	 **/
	inline double random()
	{
		return double(rand()) / (double(std::numeric_limits<uint64>::max()) + 1.0);
	}
damn letdown
is this correct? It's not my code but I feel lied to
 
it is most certainly not.
 
yeah that's what I thought
 
5:10 PM
shit like that is the reason why <random> was added
 
Don't use rand, ???, problem solved. :D
 
@Rapptz :F
 
Oh I see.
 
5:16 PM
@Borgleader I don't like the guy either :(
 
Sometimes I think the projects he's involved would be better off if he retired =/
 
@Griwes Linus Torvalds: an ego so large it has a super-massive black hole at its core.
@Borgleader Some times I agree. Other times I sleep.
 
@DeadMG What you can't do is refer to that new object by the old name (3.8/7)
 
5:33 PM
seems perfectly reasonable to me
 
How? "Autism" is a spectrum. It's a 1D scale. You can have conditions that are perpendicular to it, but I don't see how you can have an "opposite" of it
Unless they just mean "at the opposite end of the autism spectrum to the condition which people typically refer to as 'autism' out of ignorance"
unless the 'autism spectrum' scale is only a sub-scale, that doesn't already reach both ends of some imaginary scale of overall brainwhatevers
mmmm
 
I'm pretty sure that the autism scale is not generally considered to go lower than zero.
 
who or what is henry hoover?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, it does't. Roughly speaking, you're trying to say infrared and ultraviolet are exactly the same just because they both refer to wavelengths of light.
 
5:44 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit their music is good
but that's about all they amount to really
 
@JerryCoffin But nor would you say that ultraviolet and infrared are opposites of each other.
 
sorry, I sort of have a natural hate towards all nations that tried to take my country in the past :D
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, ok fair enough
@DeadMG And yeah that too. I think it still applies
 
@DeadMG Arguably true, but if you're going to complain about writing in newspapers, there are a lot more serious issues to deal with than merely treating "opposite ends of the spectrum" as "opposites".
 
@DeadMG An incredibly famous brand of vacuum
 
5:46 PM
@JerryCoffin True.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh believe me I can find much bigger issues on BBC News ;)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ah, so nothing of importance then.
 
@DeadMG I imagine the people who work for the company and its shareholders may disagree with you there.
 
I'm sure they would.
ah well, it's not their job to say what is or is not important.
but I gotta admit, it pisses me off every time I see "Morons kick ball around field" on the front page of the BBC.
or, "Moron does stupid thing BUT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE KICKS A BALL AROUND A FIELD".
 
can't see I've ever seen that particular headline
 
5:50 PM
it's on there right now
 
Mm, nope. Nope, it isn't.
btw this is probably old news but Eich quit
 
yeah I saw
personally it was a cockup on both sides.
 
@Xeo butts
 
and Mitchell Baker has strange hair
 
the Mozilla folks totally overreacted to having a person that isn't totally and completely representative (should he have a statistically average number of breasts, testicles, etc?)
 
and Eich could have defused the whole thing by not trying to dodge and ignore it.
and it does kinda show that he was unfit for the job since he couldn't handle something as simple as this
 
@ThePhD yes
 
then again
the BBC in general is often a waste of money.
I can't believe we charge people for stuff like Doctor Who.
 
Doctor Who and Top Gear are about the only things that are worth charging for...
 
nah, neither of them is.
 
5:56 PM
Bigot
 
rofl
I know, right?
 
it's so bigoted to suggest that a national tax, paid for by everyone, should be used to produce programmes that benefit everyone
instead of, say, random entertainment that benefits some random subset of people.
 
All TV should be pay-per-view
 
@DeadMG I think the problem wasn't so much his views per se, as the fact that he actively attempted to have them elevated to law. His claim that "don't worry, gays at Mozilla, I won't in any way discriminate against you within the company" might have rung a bit hollow when he actively tried to discriminate against them on a legal level
 
5:58 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Didn't say that.
 
Oh, no, he tried to have his views elevated to law with a $600 donation
not sure how else you think laws are formed
 
I don't have a problem with ad-supported television.
 
@DeadMG No, I'm saying it
 
ok, then why are you saying it?
 
Because it's my opinion
 
5:58 PM
@DeadMG yeah, agreed
 
I essentially agree with you but I think the solution is to stop with the blanket licence fee, not stop with excellent entertainment that ok fine maybe not 100% of the people in the country find interesting or relevant to them
(good luck producing something to satisfy that requirement)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't think they should stop making Top Gear or DW.
I just think they should find another means to fund it.
 
Okay, so we're in agreement
 
can't tell me that Top Gear would go off the air if they had to run ads to support it
 
no probably not
it would be pretty fucking annoying but then again I'm really used to watching TV without ads (thanks internet)
 
6:00 PM
heh
 
@jalf Is it really so difficult to believe that somebody will follow the law, whether he agrees with it or not? There are quite a few laws I find (at least) somewhat questionable, but I follow them anyway...
 
@JerryCoffin Eh? I don't follow
Who finds it difficult to believe that who would follow which laws?
 
@jalf Gotta admit, does kinda limit his credibility. But he could have at least said something like, I dunno, "My personal politics are irrelevant and Mozilla as a company supports LGBT, so as CEO when representing Mozilla I do too"
 
@jalf You seem to find it difficult to believe that he would follow laws against discriminating against gays.
 
@JerryCoffin No, he's saying that Mozilla employees might not believe that he won't discriminate against them, when he already did by supporting the proposition.
 
6:03 PM
@JerryCoffin I am pointing out the fact that he lobbied for laws banning gay marriage. It has nothing to do with my belief, I am observing a simple fact
 
hmm
 
For gays working at Mozilla, and who presumably may want to marry, that looks a lot like discrimination.
 
this amitriptyline stuff might actually be making an impact.
 
@DeadMG What's that?
 
stuff the doc prescribed me
 
6:06 PM
cool
They haven't gotten closer to a diagnosis or anything though?
 
nope
 
random pills!
 
they're not random :P
 
@DeadMG You clearly don't know what "discrimination" means, but regardless of that, the law is what it is. We're left with a simple question: would he follow the law as it exists or not? I don't think his support for a failed bill is any sort of evidence that he'd break the laws as they are now.
 
they're anti-depressants that can also anti-depress your gut nerves, as it were.
 
6:08 PM
Fun Drugs
 
@JerryCoffin No one except you seems to see any relevance in the question of whether he'd break the law. None of us are saying he'd break the law in any way. I don't know why you obsess about that question.
 
@jalf Only if they're idiots who don't have a clue what "discrmination" means.
 
@DeadMG that may have helped yeah
 
@JerryCoffin Or if they just want to marry the person they love, same as everyone else.
I'm sorry, but you're hardly in a position to call others idiots for that
 
Desire to marry is not the same as understanding what "discrimination" means.
You may as well be claiming that a black guy should be allowed to call their breakfast cereal racist, and mean it, without fear of being called an idiot for it
 
6:12 PM
@JerryCoffin You can discriminate against people without breaking the law- for example, by donating money to what many people would consider a discriminatory law.
 
You can call it whatever you like. Whether or not it is discrimination, he actively worked to limit the rights of a large group of people on a legal level, while promising that he wouldn't do any such thing on an organizational level within Mozilla. Doing the former renders the latter kind of meaningless.
 
@jalf No, it doesn't do anything of the sort.
 
@JerryCoffin Just come out and say it, you are against gay marriage. Good for you. But you don't have to talk nonsense and bend words and try to set up strawman arguments to make your point.
 
@jalf Is.. is this trolling?
 
@Rapptz Who, him or me?
 
6:18 PM
You
 
I'm feeling pretty sure that one way or another, Jerry's personal stance on gay marriage is relatively immaterial
 
@DeadMG I just figured it might be easier for him to make his argument if he didn't feel he had to be subtle about his own personal stance
@JerryCoffin Enlighten me then, how do you figure? Why do you feel that gays at Mozilla should be satisfied that "he might want to take away my right to marry, but at least he won't affect my professional career"?
 
How do you logically even reach to such a conclusion without jumping through hoops?
 
I get the feeling that the problem here is that some of the people in the conversation simply don't know the applicable laws. The Mozilla Foundation is based in California (and the bill he was supporting was in California). Current California law includes the "Gender Nondiscrimination Act", which prohibits essentially all discrimination based on gender, gender identity, gender expression, etc. in all matters of housing and employment.
 
@JerryCoffin Again, I don't see the relevance. What does law have to do with anything?
 
6:23 PM
Just about anything Eich (or anybody else) could do to discriminate against gay (or lesbian, transsexual, transgender, etc.) people would violate that law. As such, to believe he would discriminate against gays means believing he would violate that law.
 
@JerryCoffin He has showed a willingness to get law changed before.
 
if he did, getting any kind of legal remedy would require proof that he had violated it, which isn't exactly trivial to obtain, not to mention discriminating against them by, say, donating to other discriminatory laws or law-changing efforts.
 
And whether or not he would be able to discriminate, I suspect that it means a lot to the affected people within Mozilla that he wants to discriminate.
 
@jalf Are you a complete idiot? How do you figure that my knowing what "discriminate" means somehow translates to any particular view on gay marriage?
 
Whether or not he would abide by the law was never the issue.
 
6:25 PM
butts
3
 
@JerryCoffin Well, I'll let others be the judge of that. I don't think I'm an idiot. Complete or otherwise. But it is difficult not to notice how you're jumping through hoops, one more pedantic and contrived than the next to show that "it's okay that he wanted to outlaw gay marriage"
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked whee, first episode of Mahouka is out
 
@jalf Seems to me you're jumping through one hoop after another to make accusations, despite a complete lack of support.
 
@JerryCoffin You mean like calling people complete idiots?
 
As for my actual views on gay marriage, I've expressed them long ago:
Jan 8 '13 at 15:39, by Jerry Coffin
@TonyTheLion Gay marriage being allowed is still a good thing. Encouraging all the gay men to be out of the closet and married to other gay men leaves more single women...
@jalf When the shoe fits...
 
6:28 PM
I believe someone was asking whether I were trolling?
 
I literally do not understand how you can be against gay marriage
It is stupidity level that's beyond :psyduck:
Fuckin' idiots errywhere
 
@JerryCoffin good for you. I believe there should be room for conflicting opinions. I have no problem with Eich being against gay marriage. I don't like him donating money to get that opinion elevated to law, but him merely having and expressing that opinion is fine by me.
But it baffles me that you are so keen to excuse him by talking about completely irrelevant issues, like whether or not he would violate the law, or where or not banning gay marriage should be considered discrimination
 
What is this room for? (is my question correct for it?)))
 
no
 
6:31 PM
@AxelFoley No
 
Also butts
 
@AxelFoley too many closing parentheses
 
aren't they parsed correctly even there?
 
@jalf Eich resigned as CEO because people were afraid that he would discriminate against gays in Mozilla by forbidding them employment or discriminating against them just for being gay. Jerry pointed out that it was silly to think this because it's illegal to do such a thing and he wouldn't violate the law like that.
 
6:33 PM
@Rapptz Trying to ban them from being married just because they're gay sounds like discriminating against them just for being gay to me.
 
Well, good news. Proposition 8 is unconstitutional so it doesn't matter in the present day what he did in the past. His opinions could have changed since then or something, and we wouldn't know.
 
@Rapptz And I pointed out that it is silly to think that he would violate the law, when he could (and would) instead simply lobby to get the law changed to limit the rights of gays.
 
I really don't know why there has to be something about gays
 
@Rapptz I'd consider that perfectly fine, if he just stood up and said "Yeah, it was a dumb mistake, I've moved on, you should too".
 
it's like, such a non-problem
 
6:34 PM
@Rapptz Well, he was asked about that in interviews, and "refused to speculate" on whether he would lobby for similar laws again today.
 
but his response was like, "I can neither confirm nor deny that I am a raging homophobe who would, if given the choice, fire every gay employee".
 
@Rapptz It's not just "he wouldn't violate the law like that." but that taking a perfectly legal action of donating money to some cause years ago provides not even the slightest hint that he's at all likely to violate the law that way.
 
There was no way he could stay in office, no matter what he'd say
 
or even just "My personal politics are none of your business"
 
Anyway my take on it is that it sucks for someone to be forced to resign due to their opinion.
 
6:36 PM
@Rapptz Source, by the way? Where did people express being afraid that he would discriminate against them in that respect? From what I saw, it was simply that people didn't want a person with his views to represent them and their company.
 
We live in the age of witch hunts
 
@JerryCoffin Again, no one except you even brought up the possibility that he would violate the law.
 
Not that I feel sad for him because his opinions are p shit
 
@Rapptz Sure. But it also sucks for someone to not be allowed to marry the person you love due to someone else's opinion. Lots of things suck. But I'd say that considering all the things that suck in the world, a CEO losing his CEO job is not on the top 10
 
Basically what I'm saying is that I'm probably still drunk
 
6:37 PM
> In a personal blog post addressing employees on March 26, Eich wrote that he recognized "there are concerns about my commitment to fostering equality and welcome for LGBT individuals at Mozilla," but he hoped "to lay those concerns to rest, first by making a set of commitments to you." He and the company emphasized equal health benefits to all domestic partners across the country.
 
@Rapptz Yes. Those are Eich's words. Where did the people who objected to him being CEO express concerns about being discriminated against within Mozilla?
 
@jalf I don't feel like his position has any relevance.
 
@Rapptz Being fired (or resigning) over his opinion would be one thing if it was a relevant opinion. If his opinion was that Mozilla should develop a spreadsheet program, that would at least be a relevant opinion.
 
It's a silly precedent.
 
@Rapptz Some people do, apparently
 
6:38 PM
Yeah maybe you do.
I don't
 
@Rapptz Apparently people at Mozilla do. :)
 
I also don't particularly care for the situation outside of that precedent.
Couldn't care less if he donated against gay marriage
 
@JerryCoffin Mozilla has some pretty strong stances on LGBT issues. I'd say the CEO's stance on LGBT issues is fairly relevant then
 
It's in his legal right and it's none of my business.
 
@jalf But without violating the law, he clearly can't discriminate against gays (LGBT in general).
 
6:39 PM
@JerryCoffin Yes, I heard you the first 8 times you said this. It is still irrelevant, and it will also be relevant the next time you repeat it
 
@jalf Are we talking about a different organization than I realize? I thought Mozilla developed software?
 
@JerryCoffin Perhaps you should do a bit more research then before calling others complete idiots?
 
@jalf Are you claiming Mozilla doesn't develop software?
3
 
Mozilla is obviously a human rights organisation.
It's part of what they do!
 
@JerryCoffin He wants to discriminate against gays, and he has a history of actively working to change the law to better suit his (discriminatory) views.
@JerryCoffin I'm getting a little bit tired of your nonsense. Please, can you turn down the trolling a bit? But I'll play along once more. No, I am not denying the fact that Mozilla develops software. I am pointing out that as well as making software, they also have some strong stances on equality, openness and doing good.
 
6:43 PM
@jalf So I should probably have my driver's license revoked because I'd really like to drive 200 MPH? I should undoubtedly be unemployable because if I had a choice I'd rather be rich enough that I didn't have to work? What complete idiocy! The question should have been, and should remain whether he could/would do a good job of leading Mozilla.
 
@JerryCoffin Given that Mozilla employees practically revolted at his appointment, don't you think that answers that question?
 
@jalf I haven't trolled yet, and I'm not going to start.
 
Now there's one person I never thought I'd have to plonk
 
@jalf What you need to do is learn to read, then put that (apparently new) skill to use.
 
Maybe I'd have seen it coming if I hadn't been such a complete idiot. :)
 
6:46 PM
@jalf So, in your world, it's okay for somebody to have a opinion that contrasts with your own as long as they don't try to actually do anything with it? That's... interesting.
Only jalf's opinions are allowed to be put into law. I guess that means only jalf's opinions may be the correct ones. And what's that called?
That's right! Bigotry!
:D \o/
 
Terrible.
 
Anyway I'm going to donate $1,000 against Mexican restaurants in Arizona.
I wonder if such a law will exist
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if your opinion is that a group of people should be considered second-class citizens and have fewer rights based solely on who they are, then I don't think it should be elevated to law, no. That doesn't you can't try to do so, and it doesn't mean you "can't do anything with it".
I kind of think debate is important, and it is healthy to be confronted with different points of view. I believe that you should express your opinion, try to convince others to agree with it. Simply lobbying to have it elevated to law is just a way to avoid that debate. I'm not sure that is healthy.
 
I'm not sure you have any clue how the legal process works. Not to worry.
He's quit now so you can go back to doing.. whatever it is that you do.
 
6:52 PM
lol how is donating money a way to avoid debate?
 
C++ Programming Language: http://devdocs.io/cpp/
 
cos bigotry innit
 
inb4 repost
 
@Rapptz Creating a law that "these guys can't marry" is a way to just have it your way, without having any kind of consensus form through debate
 
...what?
 
6:53 PM
Creating a law that they can is the same
You lack logic
 
But incidentally, I'm not dictator-for-life of planet Earth. It ultimately doesn't matter what I think is right or wrong. You are free to lobby for laws that gays can't marry, that slavery should be reinstated or that gingers should be required to always jump on one leg.
 
Thank goodness for that
I was getting worried for a moment
 
@Borgleader Shame it looks like shit.
 
But I personally see a major difference between having and expressing and arguing for the opinion that "these people shouldn't have the same rights that I have", and trying to have that opinion enforced by law.
 
C# will finally get ?. :toot:
 
6:55 PM
@Rapptz It's not that bad
 
the table is ruined
 
I don't see the point of republishing cppreference content
 
but everything else on that page and with the layout is fine
@CatPlusPlus common interface under a single URL innit
 
@CatPlusPlus It's easier than creating the content yourself. :p
 
> ANYONE CAN PROGRAM NOWADAYS!
I know so I can tell. Or what? Just the chosen ones, with biological privilaiges, with colossal amount of money and knowledge can learn programation?
I'm sick of bastards like you who think that are smart and special, better than the others, just because learned something like programation.
Even a child can program and develop famous app without going to university.
Google and Stackoverflow is there for it.
With dedication, a week is enough to learn a new language ¬¬ï»¿
 
7:03 PM
@jalf That's because you're ascribing an absolute value to someone's opinion based on what the opinion is and, by extension, whether you agree with it or not.
Which is fundamentally offensive.
 
@Jefffrey YouTube comments.
 
Why the fuck am I replying
 
@Jefffrey We know YT comments are super dumb, no need to repost them here.
 
oh okay
 
> programation
> Obama doesnt know shit about Computer Science...that is why his website is shit.
lol
dat logic
 
7:04 PM
yeah
 
> Constructor type parameter inference
Cool
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my brain hurts from all the dumb
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus wazzat from?
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus No more Tuple.Create. :v
 
7:06 PM
@Borgleader I'm becoming a little immune to it, sadly, because of the lounge
 
Yess
That and ?. will make things so much easier
 
Hmm, Primary Constructors reminds me of Scala
 
That whole sugar doesn't seem to be very useful
 
your mother doesn't seem to be very useful
 
Oh boy. Picking up things from the floor = bad idea
 
7:13 PM
While I like ?. I'm always afraid of seeing those being nested multiple times =/ (just like x ? a : b; in C++)
 
The whole point is that it can be nested multiple times
It'd be better if references weren't universally nullable and this was generic bind and not specialised one but still
 
hmm
do I need yet another tree in my Wide compiler?
 
@DeadMG I'm going to go ahead and guess "probably".
 
well, I already have AST and codegen tree
 
97
Q: Visually stunning math concepts which are easy to explain

NicholasSince I'm not that good at (as I like to call it) 'die-hard-mathematics', I've always liked concepts like the golden ratio or the dragon curve, which are easy to understand and explain, but are mathematically beautiful at the same time. Do you know of any other concepts like these?

3
whoa
 
7:24 PM
@AlexM. no gif
 
whoops, sorry, had no idea
 
:)
 
@DeadMG it's a compiler. There's always room for one more tree.
 
well, I already have a kind of semantic tree, but it's relatively limited and mostly just corresponds to objects for most of the major AST tree nodes, e.g. module/type/etc
 
@AlexM. ho-ho-holy shit
 
7:29 PM
but I figure if I introduce a proper semantic tree, I can finally cut the codegen interface, remove codegen calls from many places, and support new kinds of incremental re-analysis and type inference and such.
 
Then what's stopping you
 
nothing, I'm just thinking about it
and/or rubberducking
 
Do eet
 
Mmm
Let there be tea, he said...
 
@AlexM. this helped me, thanks :)
 
7:34 PM
fourier is a name I remember from last year's calculus course I think
or maybe it was taylor
yes, I have no idea what goes on in that question, I just look at the pretty animations
 
Taylor Series, Fourier Transform
 
Fuck Fourier Transform
 
I do believe that most fucking takes place in a physical layer of existence.
 
@MeadMG, It is not so fun to fuck in abstraction , do you mean?
 
7:41 PM
@Jefffrey hmm i should look at it. Fourier transforms always elluded me
@AxelFoley hehe MeadMG
 
interface IFuck?
 
programming jokes
 
oh man gotta love Romanian mobile handset devs
they just released an 8-core phone with 1 GB of ram
 
is 1GB ram much?
 
Battery lifetime measured in seconds?
 
7:43 PM
@Jefffrey no, it's too little
the phone is aimed at "users who want performance"
@CatPlusPlus doesn't say yet
 
Let's talk about terrible Minecraft mods youtube.com/watch?v=2QoNDcAM8KI (not safe for anything)
 
oh, right.
I swear, every time I try not to think that new guys are attention whores, they turn out to be one anyway
 
why is my dick hard?
 
Oh man this is so funny twitter.com/filip_woj/status/452497273188929536/photo/1 it has all the funniest keywords!!
 
amazing joke!
 
7:56 PM
Lemme change all keywords to "dongs"
I've noticed that sobering up cranks up my hatred for everything
Ugh
 
try not getting drunk then
 
Or maybe try not sobering up??
idunno
 
yea alcohol sucks
 
Ahaha I literally read that as "yea alcohol works"
What the fuck brain
Letters transform themselves
#weird
 
if it works, don't touch)
 
8:03 PM
@CatPlusPlus it means you are in dream
WAKE UP
 
Is still irc alive?
 
yes, irc is still alive
 
what servers are popular?
 
dunno
 
do you know any un-popular lumpen irc servers?
 
8:06 PM
A what
 
I don't even know the name of a single server, but I'm sure IRC is not dead
 
Ok, I'd like to believe too
 
There's like a million networks
Even the oldest dinosaurs like IRCnet are still alive
Oh apparently EFnet is even older
 
web ate it..
 
8:12 PM
irc
didn't it?
 
No? It's completely unrelated?
 
emm?
 
The web and IRC are entirely orthgonal.
That's like saying the development of high-speed trains "ate" people's enjoyment of music
 
in JavaScript : The Language of Love, 5 mins ago, by copy
@LiamWillis Did you join the C++ room or something?
lol
 
I mean, social side of web
even, I asked
 
8:21 PM
web is asocial
 
Asocial? why?
 
because fuck you, that's why
 
lol
what's up?
 
it's a joke.
about the web being asocial and then me being asocial.
never mind.
 
ok, fuck you too)
 
8:29 PM
the funny was long gone.
 
it's doesn't matter even
 
@DeadMG how is health?
 
actually for once it's a little better
got prescribed a new drug by doc and it seems to have some effect for once
but it's only been a couple days
 
nice
 
8:37 PM
@DeadMG :D
 
8:58 PM
TRAAINS
 
@CatPlusPlus wat
 

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