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10:01 AM
@Jefffrey My school uses it
 
> By the grace of Heaven, Emperor of C++, seated on the throne occupied by the same dynasty from time immemorial, enjoin upon ye, Our loyal and brave subjects:

We hereby declare War on the Microsoft Optimizing C/C++ Compiler and the British Empire. The men and officers of Our Army and Navy shall do their utmost in prosecuting the war. Our public servants of various departments shall perform faithfully and diligently their respective duties; the entire nation with a united will shall mobilize their total strength so that nothing will miscarry in the attainment of Our war aims.
 
pretty sure this is the 32nd year
no, wait, it is the 31st year.
 
No, you're right.
Also, it appears I forgot to redact "and the British Empire" from the original declaration.
I think I'll keep it.
 
yeah, I know.
I was just going to make you keep editing it until you gave up.
 
This why empires declare on you.
It doesn't make any difference. I tried 4.7.3, 4.8.2, 4.9.0 and 4.10.0, same results. I also tried clang 3.4 and 3.5, both refuse to compile the code. Please fix your question. — Jonathan Wakely 4 mins ago
4.10? I’m dangerously out of date.
Oh right, today is ‘after Easter Monday’ (modulo timezones), which was the original timetable for the 4.9 release.
 
10:07 AM
Bit of a dick move to give a declaration of war the day after blowing up half the enemy's fleet.
@LucDanton Only a few hours left on Easter Monday anyway.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "hey look out we gonna blow up half of your fleet" is a lame war declaration anyway
 
you blew up half of MSVC's fleet?
 
@VáclavZeman I just replaced a few words from Japan's 1941 declaration of war.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh.
 
10:19 AM
So, you can post a disparaging comment and then delete your question (presumably answer as we) to leave it for everyone with enough rep to see, with no way of flagging? That’s nice. You can even edit it after the fact.
I’m going to guess that’s a known ‘feature’ with a highly upvoted post on meta, but no action or comment regarding it.
 
@LucDanton Hmm, I just flagged it.
@jalf I guess you could call it that.
 
wow
TIL @datenwolf has ~5k upvotes in
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Q itself?
 
The comment.
It appears I can flag the question as well.
 
I don’t have a butan for the comment specifically, eh.
 
10:23 AM
Hertz from Moscow.
@LucDanton It's a little flag on the left side.
Disappears after use.
 
Oh that’s that then. Probs got confused by the edits.
 
> It's always better on holiday
So much better on holiday
That's why we only work when
We need the money
 
depends on how you define work
well, if you own a big company and work for $1 a year, is it work?
 
I should get me some Franz Ferdinand albums.
 
I am asking a philosophical question :p
I have been told by all three friends who I met up today that I should not feed wild life and should get a pet instead
because wildlife would become dependent on people, which is true
but pets don't???
 
10:30 AM
I should listen to some industrial
and drink another coffee
I went to sleep at 5 am
also
 
@telkitty.exe oh, you updated your photo avatar?
 
It's cute, isn't it ;)
 
@telkitty.exe yeah, probably... what is it?
 
sloth
 
10:33 AM
wath? TIL what sloth is
 
@telkitty.exe it's not philosophical, it's just dumb. Pets, by the very definition, are animals that are either raised or taken into human homes. As such, the only thing keeping them alive is the humans feeding them. While you can keep feeding your pet, you can't realistically keep feeding an object of wildlife you offer some food (especially if more people do so for a while, and then stop).
@Abyx a sloth. It's an animal.
also I keep forgetting to unplonk you :F
tadaa
 
@BartekBanachewicz your point?
 
@BartekBanachewicz huh?
 
that we should not keep pets?
 
@BartekBanachewicz The biggest problem with feeding wildlife is not about the survival of the animals.
 
10:35 AM
@telkitty.exe that you should not feed the wildlife vOv
@R.MartinhoFernandes isn't survival the biggest problem of the wildlife?
 
there are plenty of the wildlife around, they are not threatened species, they are LC - least concernt
 
It's about the animals becoming used to being fed by humans and moving in closer and closer to human dwellings.
 
@Abyx I plonked you a few months back, but recently I was able to read what you wrote here and it was okay so I figured that maybe I can loosen up on my hurt Lua fanboy pride :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz ah well I can say something about Lua again
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes eh, all in all... feeding wildlife is disruptive.
 
10:37 AM
you want to feed wildlife, they want to be fed, it has heck nothing to do with anyone else
 
How selfish of you.
 
freaking people, can't take care of their own life, trying to tell others what to do
 
@telkitty.exe isn't that the entire point in having a pet? :p
 
selfish? how?
 
@Abyx you're forbidden to do so until you release AbyxScript, remember? :) Anyway, I guess I learned (am learning) to appreciate productivity more than raw discussions these days, so might well accept that a language choice is personal.
 
10:39 AM
@jalf because they are sad, they need to 'buy' love
 
@telkitty.exe ... by making an animal dependent on them ;)
 
@telkitty.exe you're endangering the animals by feeding them
 
iow, feeding them is kind of the point
 
how so? in an area that usually has 10 birds, it will multiply to 30 if there are people feeding them, will decrease to 10 when people stop doing that
 
It will also bring a lot of birds closer to people.
It has a lot to do with everyone else.
 
10:41 AM
bird poop for everyone!
and stressed-out birds trying desperately to dodge bicycles and hyperactive children
 
> I think it will
 
Well, the birds I know only go and visit the places where there are human handouts & I am willing to take the risk, what's that to do with anyone else?
 
user1804599
Urgh.
 
user1804599
Fuck you GitLab.
 
user1804599
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10:43 AM
lol
 
@telkitty.exe What risk again?
 
you get the flu from other people, so maybe you should consider not be too close to people
 
@telkitty.exe Take a step back. You started out with the statement that it would make the wildlife dependent on you. Is that good for the birds?
 
Eroding animals' natural fear of humans is a bad idea.
 
if any specie is not adapt to the environment, then they die, regardless human intervention
 
10:45 AM
That's quite the non sequitur.
 
after all, we are the meanest motherfuckers in the jungle.
 
@telkitty.exe and therefore we should intervene as much as possible, forcing them to adapt?
 
Truism, regardless of human intervention, therefore human intervention is totally cool.
 
I am saying humans are not as important as we think we are
 
From someone who claims to like animals, that is quite a weird position to take
@telkitty.exe and yet you want the wildlife in your area to live on your terms, be fed by you and be dependent on you
 
10:46 AM
well, if I love something, I should just ignore it?
 
@telkitty.exe If you care about its wellbeing, quite possibly, yes
If you love something, do what is best for that something
 
@jalf And it doesn't affect anyone else because they will certainly only come to her and not any other human because it has "heck nothing to do with anyone else".
 
it is not up to you or me or anything else to say what is good for a bird, if a bird decide to eat hand outs, it's birds choice.
 
@telkitty.exe that is the dumbest bullshit I've heard all week
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if I want to give out hand outs , it is my choice
 
10:48 AM
Irrelevant.
 
In the same way that if I offer drugs to children, it's the children making bad decisions, not me?
 
@telkitty.exe The point is that that is a bad choice.
 
So what you're saying is, you don't actually give a fuck about the wellbeing of the birds. You just want to feed them because it makes you feel good?
 
It doesn't matter whose choice it is. It is bad.
 
10:49 AM
you are saying, you can decided what's conscientious between two other parties
what makes you right?
 
@telkitty.exe No. I'm just saying what is a bad idea.
@telkitty.exe I think we all elaborated enough on what kinds of harm can come from this.
 
we try to help endangered species, we also try to eradicate pests, we have not been successful in either
 
Another non sequitur?
 
Have you ever seen children around a flock of pigeons? I don't think it is humanly possible to count how many kicks the poor birds have to dodge. If you want to encourage the birds around you to get closer to humans then you are free to do that, but don't pretend that it is for the sake of the birds... Or even that they "consented" to it
 
Or maybe you're trying to say that the lack of success is related to people feeding wildlife?
 
10:52 AM
@jalf sounds about right
 
I am saying, on the grand view of things, it doesn't matter either ways
 
@telkitty.exe But it does matter for the individual birds you feed
 
It does, and we've explained why.
 
human intervention will affect little
 
In the grand view of things, there's no point in feeding the birds either. In the grand view of things, you may as jump in front of a train or shoot a group of children. In the grand view of things, nothing matters
 
10:53 AM
@telkitty.exe or so you choose to believe... because feeding birds makes you feel good
 
yeah and if maybe if I didn't feed them, they would have died long time ago
 
But let's be clear on one thing: feeding the wildlife is not in the wildlife's best interest
 
But it makes me happy it makes the bird happy
not up for you or anyone else to say
 
giving heroine to addicts also makes them happy
 
humans are stupid
 
10:54 AM
you're the prime example of that
 
@telkitty.exe for a while... untl the next day when it comes back and you're not there, and it goes hungry. Or the day after, when it comes back and a child tries to kick it
 
food = addicts?
 
@telkitty.exe Why not? Because you don't like what we say?
 
Please, keep the bird's happiness out of this
 
@jalf Or not even that. Just the day when it starts suffering from its horrible malnutrition.
 
10:55 AM
I didn't say I am not stupid, sure I am , I am keen aware of that. Statistically speaking I get right slight more than vast majority of other people though
 
@telkitty.exe that was basically what you started out with: it makes the wildlife dependent on you. Dependency, addiction, not a huge difference
 
@telkitty.exe I'd not be the only one that would beg to differ, I guess.
 
She likes to mention those fat birds often. It's not good for the birds.
 
a question though: why not simply get a pet? Then you could take care of it responsibly, make it happy, not just for 3 minutes, but in the long term, and without causing it any long-term harm
 
sigh ... humans are idiots - wildlife are not pets. They know when to looking for other food. They will go hungry one day sure, but starved to death - well, it's called nature selection
 
10:56 AM
Again, it's not about them starving.
 
@jalf because probably she knows that she wouldn't be able to take the responsibility
 
it's called wild life
 
however, the wild bird won't die in your house and you won't have to kill it
that's just plain cowardice
 
at least I don't say what's good and not good for you and your friends
it is between you and your friends
 
It's called selfishness. And stubbornness.
 
10:58 AM
it's called ignorance
 
@telkitty.exe who cares what you're saying really.
 
you do
 
@telkitty.exe So, in your boundless love for all wildlife, you don't care that your actions negatively impact their lives? You are literally saying that because you love wildlife so much, you refuse to consider their wellbeing?
 
@telkitty.exe Yes, that too, but qualified with "willful".
 
@jalf I wouldn't say such a person loves wildlife.
 
10:59 AM
If your actions cause them harm, then "oh well, that is nature's way"
 
I like wildlife, I care about their wellbeing, but it is not within my ability to help all the people, all the animals on the planet earth
 
It is within your ability to not harm them.
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@telkitty.exe if you care about its wellbeing, then why do you refuse to consider the consequences of your actions?
 
@telkitty.exe No, you like taking selfish pleasures at the cost of wildlife
and then when confronted you try to defend with "they will die anyway"
 
You do not give a single flying fuck about the poor animals. You can deny it all day long, but that is what your actions say.
 
11:00 AM
it's like your mother say "it's good for you to be slim", so she only feed you half full everyday
 
@telkitty.exe another non sequitur?
Also, my mother never said that, nor did she only feed me half full. Nor am I a bird. I don't see how it applies
 
I like chasing and shooting rabbits.
 
at most it could be said it's redundant, but harmful? lol?
 
I'm actually good at it, surprisingly.
@telkitty.exe It is harmful. Are you willing to listen to the reasons?
 
because you all assume they will die once I stop feed them
 
11:03 AM
@telkitty.exe We've already described several ways in which it is harmful
 
no they wouldn't
 
6 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Again, it's not about them starving.
 
@telkitty.exe you haven't been reading a single word we wrote, have you?
 
you're arguing with Telkitty.
 
@telkitty.exe Do you want to listen to the real reasons instead of assuming them?
 
11:03 AM
I doubt it.
 
2) they get too close to human - we catch most of the flu from other fellow humans
 
you are conditioning them to get closer to humans. Not all humans are nice to birds.
 
Yes, you want to assume them.
 
You know what, we don't have to argue about this
This is the internet
 
also does anyone here play Hearthstone?
 
3) malnurtion - you are assume they DEPEND solely on my feeding, but no, they only get handout occasionally and usually it's when the weather is bad and sometimes we don't see them for days (any particular bird)
 
Assuming you care about the wellbeing of the birds, do that bit of research. Then you can make an educated decision
 
> So it goes in one ear and right out the other
People talking shit but you know I never bother
It goes in one ear and right out the other
People talking shit, they can kiss the back of my hand
 
11:06 AM
@telkitty.exe hello? Can you hear me? are you seeing this? Hello?
waves
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ooh I should start listening more to that band. Borderlands all over again, huh? :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hmm, they have a track in Borderlands?
Which one?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes O.O
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ain't no rest for the wicked! (It was the very first song you hear in the first game's intro actually)
 
4) not all humans are nice to birds, sure. but it is better for us to conexisting with them then we expand our territory and their dwelling shrink into non existence
 
@telkitty.exe you are not an expert on this matter. Nor am I. Look up what the experts say, rather than trying to blindly justify what you want to do for your own selfish reasons
 
11:08 AM
@telkitty.exe No, it doesn't matter if they depend solely on your feeding or not. Your photos of the fat magpies are evidence enough.
 
expert said one thing we were told in high school, then in uni we were told it was all wrong
 
@telkitty.exe lol?
Ad hominem much?
 
@telkitty.exe and therefore you know better?
 
classic physics vs quantum mechanics
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh. I didn't play the first one.
@telkitty.exe What.
 
11:09 AM
classic economics vs keyanism
 
No, it's not all wrong.
 
@telkitty.exe Well, luckily, the internet gives you access to the uni expert right away! You don't have to go through the "wrong" high school expert first.
 
But I'm tired of explaining to people what sciences likes physics are all about. (Hint: not truth)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ow. Too bad, 2nd had many connections to the 1st. Sans the main characters appearing as NPCs.
 
Philosophy deals with truth.
 
11:10 AM
truth is overrated
 
says someone tell me to not feed wildlife
 
@telkitty.exe lol you really have so little idea of what you're talking about
 
That's not English.
@telkitty.exe How does the conclusion follow from the premise?
 
@telkitty.exe wat.
 
not all humans are nice to birds => we should totally get more humans in contact with birds.
 
11:11 AM
it is okay to feed pets but not wildlife?
 
You fail logic forever.
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@telkitty.exe Did we say so?
 
@telkitty.exe The key difference is that you assume responsibility for your pet. You take care of it
 
Does it change anything in the matter of feeding wildlife?
It's one fallacy after the other.
Pets don't have ecosystems.
(Well, maybe if you want to look at it in a very analytical way, but even then it's a degenerate ecosystem)
 
I guess the key word is responsibility. Or lack of such.
 
@jalf yeah, plenty of irresponsible pet owners
 
11:13 AM
@telkitty.exe How is that relevant?
"because some people are irresponsible pet owner, I'm going to be irresponsible when dealing with local wildlife"?
 
Unquestionable logic!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes animals codependent on each other
 
Xeo
> Please log in to view this content.
 
Random words strung together?
Or is that supposed to mean something.
 
When you have a pet, you feed it, yes, but you feed it what it needs, as much as it needs, when it needs it. You take it to the vet, you look after it. That's what the whole "responsibility" thing we mentioned means
 
11:14 AM
> A: Pets don't have ecosystems.
B: animals codependent on each other
 
@jalf people don't even do that to family/friends, you really think they will do that to pets? Most of them anyways
 
@telkitty.exe responsible pet owners do, yes
 
Is it my imagination or does Bing still use "Firefox 2" as the title for the first result for firefox? Even though that's not the document's title and hasn't been for many years? Cheeky buggers trying to make the software look old?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes animals depends on human, human is a part of ecosystem
 
@BartekBanachewicz Just noticed the song in the video is censored :<
 
11:17 AM
@jalf and what percentage of those responsible pet owners do you see?
 
@telkitty.exe Does that matter?
There are horrible people out there => We should all do bad things.
 
#Bing labels #Firefox download page in search results as "Firefox 2", though that's not the page title. MS trying to make it look outdated?
there, retweet the fuck out of that
 
yes, we are talking about your 'ideal world' - let me enlighten you, it does not exist
 
@telkitty.exe Does it matter? I'm choosing to assume that you would be one of the responsible ones. Am I wrong?
 
@telkitty.exe No. I'm talking about this world and how we should behave in it.
 
11:18 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes a minor inconvenience. While we're at it, reminded me of The dirtiest song that ain't by Aurelio Voltaire, which you might like if you haven't heard it before.
 
19 mins ago, by telkitty.exe
I like wildlife, I care about their wellbeing, but it is not within my ability to help all the people, all the animals on the planet earth
 
@telkitty.exe I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. It seems to be a dreamworld where the wildlife lives in harmony with you. We are talking about the real world, the real animals that live in it, and the real consequences of interacting with them
 
19 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It is within your ability to not harm them.
It's on the starboard.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit conspiracy
 
Are you people fighting again?
 
11:19 AM
how am I harming them?
 
@telkitty.exe you stubbornly refuse to even consider the possibility that you might be actively harming these animals
 
If you don't understand that ability, it's simple: instead of actively harming them, don't.
It's your superpower.
 
possibility - there is a great possibility I will die in the next 50 years, and nope I don't plan for something I don't have enough knowledge of
 
@telkitty.exe well, here's an idea. you could try to gain knowledge of it
so that you can plan for it
 
I could die in the next 50 years, therefore anything.
 
11:20 AM
I know ignorance is bliss, but... what if there was a way in which you could find out if feeding the birds was harmful to them
Wouldn't that be interesting?
Anyway, I don't see why this discussion is still going. You've said quite clearly that you don't care about the consequences of your actions on the wildlife, and you don't intend to listen to us. I, on the other hand, have said that none of us in this room, including you, are experts on this matter. I've shown you the magic of google, whereby you could actually educate yourself on the matter and make an informed decision about whether or not to feed the wildlife.
I don't see what else there is to be done here. You can run directly back to feed the birds if you really don't give a fuck about what is best for them, and just want to scratch your own feeding itch, or you can go do the research so that you can be sure that you're actually doing the right thing.
 
I could not, just like I could not figure whether there is a god
 
@telkitty.exe Some questions are easier to answer than others. "Am I harming these birds" is a lot easier to find an answer to than "is there a god"
 
Is there even a named fallacy for "spouting random unrelated trivia"?
 
I am saying that there is NO study on human handouts and suffering of birds that I am aware of
 
But it says a lot about you that you refuse to even try to find an answer to that question
 
11:22 AM
all theory
 
@telkitty.exe Yes, that's where "willful ignorance" comes from.
 
I did, I am not convinced
 
@telkitty.exe Oh, I must have been dreaming when I googled it before and the first fucking result was a post about a scientific study of the effects
 
please enlighten me by all means
there is NO STATISTICS
NONE
 
@jalf But that study is "all theory" or some such bullshit.
 
11:23 AM
@jalf I don't know why you are trying to argue with a troll?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes THERE IS NO STATISTICS
 
give me stats
please
 
What kind of stats?
 
Whatever. Stats.
Because stats.
 
Angel wing also known as airplane wing, slipped wing, crooked wing, and drooped wing is a syndrome that affects primarily aquatic birds, such as geese and ducks, in which the last joint of the wing is twisted with the wing feathers pointing out laterally, instead of lying against the body. Males develop it more frequently than females. It has also been reported in goshawks, bustard chicks and psittacine birds (budgerigars, macaws, and conures). The syndrome manifests as an incurable anatomical condition which is acquired in young birds. Due to a high-calorie diet, especially one high in...
 
11:24 AM
I think this entire discussion is for the birds.
 
@telkitty.exe first result when I googled: here
 
If that rate keeps on we're hitting "there is no real science" in about T-minus 3 minutes
 
But you know what? The burden of finding the right answer to this isn't on me. It's on you. You are the one feeding the birds, ostensibly for their own benefit. It is your responsibility, not mine, to ensure that it is to their benefit.
And again, your outright refusal to even try to find out whether it is to their benefit says a lot about your so-called "love" of wildlife
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes or because it could occur in the wild but the wild ones would not survive?
cause? effect?
 
anyway, I've got to run. Have fun all!
 
11:28 AM
@jalf you need to highlight the statistic parts
 
@telkitty.exe really???
 
hypothesis, hypothesis, hypothesis
Since we can't measure birds happiness level, give me 1) stats of the average age of birds who frequently getting handouts to those who don't
 
I should add that 4/2 weapon back to my paladin deck apparently
I kicked it out, and now apparently it's the best and epic and everyone plays it. Oh well.
 
2) % of people who got disease from those wildlife - those who frequently give out handouts vs those who don't (bird flu is from chickens which are not wild)
 
This whole conversation is retarded and so are all of you
 
11:41 AM
Hello, I am working with resource files in Win32 for the first time, I have created a resource.hpp file to give IDs to my resources and I am following a tutorial. I am wondering, why is it that the numbers the tutorial (and all references I have seen online) give such high values to these IDs?

For instance, the IDI_MYICON is given an ID of 102, even though it is the first resource in the list... Why not give it an ID of 1?
 
what makes you think that we would know
 
This is a programmer chat in C++ and resource files are very common in programming GUI applications.
 
Windows programming is fairly esoteric (to use the wrong word)
This sounds like a good question for Stack Overflow
This is not really "a programmer chat in C++" — it's more about flinging shit at each other and arguing over whether or not it's morally acceptable to feed wild birds
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Ha ha, okay. Thank you Lightness.
 
if only there was a website where you could ask questions about programming
 
JBL
11:52 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm amazed by how fitting that description is. :)
 
You are welcome, Torben.
 
WELCOME IN YOUR FACE
 
@DeadMG /s/WELCOME/whale cum
 
way to murder regexes
 
11:54 AM
Maybe you're Red John...?
 
hahahah
 
@telkitty.exe Or you can go and read them.
 
well
 
oh for god's sakes just drop it already
 
it suddenly occurred to me that "YOUR FACE IS WELCOME" would have been the far superior version of that joke.
 
11:59 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit s/god/dog/
 
@telkitty.exe The cause is a high-calorie diet.
 
never ceases to amaze me that a shit-flinging contest like this one can continue for hours, but ask one programming question and you're immediately hurled into the bin and instructed to build your own coffin. what site is this, again?
 

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