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user1804599
11:00 PM
@HamZa dat hidden pun: you are uncertain as to which principle I’m talking about.
 
@HamZa Heisenberg, at a guess
@rightfold Obvie
 
I'm a bit confused. I don't know if you guys are trolling or serious.
I mean, I'm in the C++ room ...
 
@rightfold you'd need to better define your standard deviation sample size and measurement technique
 
user1804599
@HamZa Right; C++ is unsuitable for quantum computing.
 
@HamZa Right. WE figured you might be lost :)
 
11:02 PM
@rightfold Heisenberg does already provide a tighter inequality; the result of the multiplication must be at least half Planck's constant
In quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle is any of a variety of mathematical inequalities asserting a fundamental limit to the precision with which certain pairs of physical properties of a particle known as complementary variables, such as position x and momentum p, can be known simultaneously. For instance, in 1927, Werner Heisenberg stated that the more precisely the position of some particle is determined, the less precisely its momentum can be known, and vice versa.. Annotated pre-publication proof sheet of [http://osulibrary.oregonstate.edu/specialcollections/coll/pauling/bo...
 
lol, sorry for the disruption. Going back to what I was doing
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes, but half the reduced Planck’s constant is > 0 but 0 x = 0.
 
@rightfold Nah. If you were to theoretically measure the momentum absolutely (which is not banned by Uncertainty), then the standard deviation of the position is zero. You just don't know what the position is.
 
oh cool, auto nerdtree at last
let's try that out :3
 
user1804599
@sehe just want to be 100% because it’s late and PHP got me used to unlogical edge-cases in weird scenarios.
 
11:05 PM
@rightfold what
 
ah it's so cool
 
now I just feel like I am cheating :| mrdoob.github.io/three.js/editor
 
my vim just became an IDE proper
 
@rightfold Are you basically asking me whether half Planck's constant is greater than zero?
 
user1804599
 
11:06 PM
@rightfold oh god.
More unprofessionalism. On my bloddy internet
 
@rightfold Yes, I just posted a link to Wikipedia for you to find that, and said it in words too.
 
user1804599
Neither σx nor σp can be zero.
 
@BartekBanachewicz UHoh. why
 
@rightfold Yes, I said that too...
What is your point?
 
So C++14 will be like haskell?
 
11:06 PM
@sehe installed GhcModVim
 
it feels like people want to remove types from C++ with auto etc
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That σx cannot be zero.
 
@rightfold Standard deviation comes from multiple measurements, dPdX is on one measurement on one particle.
 
@rightfold That's fucking obvious. What point are you trying to make about it?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix remove_by? That's one algorithm that was overlooked
 
user1804599
11:07 PM
@CaptainGiraffe If all the measurements yield the same result, the standard deviation is zero.
 
@Crowz that looks nice
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix you are not actually removing them, you are just letting the compiler infer them
 
@Jefffrey I'm aware of that...
 
Type inference is the only sane way of doing static typing
 
Haskell's type inference looks very powerful
 
11:08 PM
The question is why did they wait in 2014 to start doing it
 
@BartekBanachewicz mrdoob has so many helpful things to learn THREE
 
Because C++ and C++ programmers are bad
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix auto was in C++11
@Crowz it's his pet library, no wonder he has
 
user1804599
auto was in C++StoneAge but :compatibility:.
 
It was only C compat and never did anything
 
11:09 PM
I guess auto was a boost thing
 
Nope. Actually, I hink Boost was late adding BOOST_AUTO for backwards compatibility use
 
no
 
it has to be a language feature
 
I overheard one of my friend talk about that a long time ago
 
11:09 PM
I feel though, like he wrote it specifically with the intention that other people would want to read it and figure it out
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix drop that friend immediately
we are your only friends
 
I don't remember who it is :(
 
you don't need any others
 
Maybe it was your inner devil
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Solution: drop all friends.
 
11:10 PM
C++11 was planned for a very long time
 
@rightfold What is the square root of zero?
 
user1804599
Zero.
 
lol
 
They wanted it to be 08 or 09, but they suck at everything so it got delayed by years
 
11:11 PM
Or -0
 
@rightfold Correct
 
user1804599
@sehe Minus zero is zero, so same thing.
 
lol
 
@rightfold Maybe in your branch of mathematics. Not in all of them.
 
Also is 0.9999999999.... == 1 ?
 
11:11 PM
@rightfold Not it isn't. 0.0 and -0.0 are different entities in floating-point. :):):)
 
Ell
Evening all
 
@CatPlusPlus you should stop saying that everybody sucks
 
user1804599
@Mysticial Indeed.
 
user1804599
But 0 is not a floating-point.
 
user1804599
It is an integer!
 
11:12 PM
What does the double precision standard say about -0, I think it can be represented.
 
Everything is terrible
 
Ell
Meh I wouldn't call floating point a "branch of mathematics"
 
you depress people FFS
stop
 
@Ell Neither would I, and nobody did.
 
@Jefffrey you're onlye depressed if you let yourself be depressed
 
11:13 PM
true
 
user1804599
@Ell She said she wouldn’t consider you “nice.”
 
Where did you ever see -0
 
Calculus has 0-
With upper - :argh:
 
0- is something different
 
11:13 PM
I've never seen -0
 
@CatPlusPlus That's because you're ignorant and uneducated.
Signed zero is zero with an associated sign. In ordinary arithmetic, the number 0 does not have a sign, so that −0, +0 and 0 are identical. However, in computing, some number representations allow for the existence of two zeros, often denoted by −0 (negative zero) and +0 (positive zero), regarded as equal by the numerical comparison operations but with possible different behaviors in particular operations. This occurs in the sign and magnitude and ones' complement signed number representations for integers, and in most floating-point number representations. The number 0 is usually encoded ...
 
(In a way that's different than 0)
 
hm I should probably start learning real GL now...
 
Again with computing
That's not math branch dummy
 
@CatPlusPlus No; you should read the entire article, not just one or two words. Idiot.
 
11:14 PM
1/−0 = −∞ actually this is kind of wrong, it should be 1/0-
 
That conversation was certainly nicely derailed
 
the Lounge got denormalised
 
It's obscure therefore it's important
Or something
 
11:16 PM
The Helicopter experiences turbulence.
 
lol
 
Cheer it up (shooo! shooo!)
 
never seen -0 with limits
always 0−
 
I forgot, Cat is the expert in everything
 
11:18 PM
That Redl talk has me underwhelemed at ~18:20 already. I mean, clearly they're making C++ into python there.
 
I'm not expert enough to have uncovered secrets of NEGATIVE ZERO :(
 
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Q: http://jsfiddle.net/kn7ML/1/ Creating regExpression cannot validate - JavaScript

user2985380// I am trying to create a validation script that will use regular expressions to make sure the user inputs the proper information then display it and display an error if user inputed info does not meet the regExpression requirements. I cannot seem to get it to work! Am I missing a function or f...

 
ok
@CatPlusPlus GhcModType and your bindings are officially amazing
too bad they don't work when I am getting compilation errors :/
 
Yeah it has some dumb limitations
 
Ell
When is zero signed? Besides approaching negative zero or positive zero, ie approaching unsigned zero from either side?
 
11:20 PM
Another is that it needs the module to be importable
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well most of us read xkcd. I laughed my ass off.
 
@CatPlusPlus hmpfh. won't add me much in developing samples for a module i am working on then, I guess
 
@CaptainGiraffe Eh?
@Ell In one's complement it's always signed.
 
@CatPlusPlus the checks work great, at least
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I laughed reading the question. The comics in question are xkcd.com/208 and xkcd.com/1171
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11:23 PM
so cool.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yay, unreadable code! It's "cool"!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's not unreadable
 
@BartekBanachewicz it is
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit compared to C equivalent? I don't think so.
 
But I can't read it :qq:
 
Ell
11:26 PM
@lightness sorry, I meant in maths as opposed to representations of numbers
 
yeah, I guess that's the usual rant
 
hello
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sorry you feel that way. Still wrong.
 
what's unreadable about it?
 
anyway good night... I'm off
 
11:28 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you know, I wouldn't mind if you said "I personally find it unreadable". But it's not something you can factually prove, and you're just saying all that to mess with me, again.
 
I find it highly amusing that he of all people is the one to try to sarcastically call me "expert on everything" :allears:
 
Well I can guess the vab vbo ibo mbo stuff but it's not readable.
 
AI site is being closed again ;E reasons are stupid
 
@CaptainGiraffe do you know OpenGL? because that's low-level OpenGL usage example.
it's not the user-facing API.
 
It's p standard Haskell, if you can't read it then a) you don't know Haskell and should probably shut up b) see a)
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Ell
11:30 PM
Are the advantages of Haskel's type system tied to it being pure functional?
 
TBH this whole "Haskell is pure functional" thing is a bit weird
it's great as an imperative language
 
@Ell not really
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have a hard time understanding your comment. We are not looking at an OpenGL implementation are we?
 
Ell
@bartek what does the signature draw :: d -> IO () mean? Draw is a function which takes a drawable and returns an IO?
 
@CaptainGiraffe no, it's the code using OpenGL API. As such, it uses OpenGL primitives called Vertex Array Objects, Vertex Buffer Objects and Index Buffer Objects. Go figure "vao", "vbo" and "ibo" now.
@Ell returns an IO action, yes.
 
11:33 PM
IE the OpenGL user api.
 
Ell
IO action hmm
 
This is a generic sample, with no context, that indulges the names to be terse.
 
hmmm
I don't know when I started playing Banished, but I suddenly realized I need to sleep soon.
 
@CatPlusPlus I didn't "try" to sarcastically call you "expert on everything". I outright did it!
@BartekBanachewicz shrug Just because you're wrong, no need to get butthurt about it
 
:lol:
 
11:36 PM
@CaptainGiraffe well, the context is that it's the inside of a library that uses OpenGL. Anyone reading the source must know OpenGL beforehand, and thus those names aren't ambiguous to him.
@Ell as close to "impure function" as you can get
 
It's p much impure
 
Ell
@lightness why else get butthurt? :)
 
I'm curious about Dwarf Fortress... I haven't even started playing it yet.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm letting you know that your attitude and the aura of universal truth is annoying me.
 
yeah, shorthand names for some well-established terms in a domain that are often used are acceptable
 
11:38 PM
DF UI is legendarily bad
 
How many hours would I need to play before I'm starting to enjoy it?
 
Ell
@captain how long did it take you to learn Emacs? ;)
 
The UI is likely not a problem, I have spent many many hours on nethack
 
It is
 
@Ell You blasphemer
 
11:39 PM
Trust me
 
It's way worse
NetHack UI is actually nice.
 
NetHack has a modern, beautiful UI compared to DF
 
 
DF UI is an inconsistent mess with absolutely no design behind it
 
11:40 PM
/cc @CaptainGiraffe
 
Cat, thats not what I've heard =)
 
tbh I'd rather read about DF and play a DF-like
 
I think that <leader>hT for clear is a bit weird, it requires me to press shift
 
11:41 PM
@CatPlusPlus what's that?
 
Ok, no DF. I'll keep running my FTL missions.
 
Boatmurdered is a required reading
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then I am succeeding. You should work on that.
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Q: Redefining an operator and overloading an operator

user2977378I'm new to C++ and trying to understand the concepts of overloading. I can't seem to understand what the difference between redefining an operator and overloading an operator?

 
@BartekBanachewicz LP master list duh
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit on what? Quite some time ago I'd be in the middle of a heated discussion :P
 
11:44 PM
@BartekBanachewicz You said it was "annoying" you.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit eh.
 
Yes, you are annoying, that is a fact
 
7 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm letting you know that your attitude and the aura of universal truth is annoying me.
 
yeah I know.
 
11:45 PM
You don't even remember your own message from seven minutes ago.
 
Then why did you say "eh" when I remarked on it? You are weird.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Now now.
 
of course I am
 
Calm down boys
 
11:46 PM
I think you have been on drugs for the last few years and it's been addling your brain bit by bit -.-
 
We are all weird, we should be used to that by now.
 
this all thing is just stupid
 
Projecting
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ow.
 
@Jefffrey no no, it's starting to get interesting!
 
11:47 PM
no, it's starting to get pathetic
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How could you tell?
 
the winner is the one that ignores the other first
GO
 
it's pathetic, but it's the point just before becoming interesting
 
@Jefffrey Oh. I sense much "parent" in this one
 
unless someone ignores the other first :\
 
11:48 PM
@sehe Well, y'know!
 
Oh. That.
Yeah. I sniff the same
 
Funny, I was just thinking it might be glue
 
I just pooped in my pants. This is too funny.
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@sehe right
 
11:49 PM
BRB, need to clean shit up.
 
;0
 
oh god damn it
am I hitting mono restriction or what again
 
Everybody poops
 
talking about poop... I need to take a shit
 
11:51 PM
some people poop with their mouth
 
but I'll bring you guys with me, don't worry
 
and I don't mean it metaphorically ;0
 
what the hell is going on
finally a good type error
but I have no idea why I was getting the previous one
I had random mismatch, I've added a type signature, it worked, I removed the sig and got ambiguity error :/
 
g'evening.
I was hoping for that to expand..
 
g'night!
 
11:55 PM
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@ScottW google told me!
 
I'm a webfaction representative, we also act as a registrar, but only to our most trusted customers, send me a PM and I'll show you how we can register you for a new domain today!
 
General advice is to not register your domain where you host shit
 
@ScottW no not at all =)
 
@CatPlusPlus +1.
 
Why is "I just pooped in my pants" starred? Are we 5 years old?
 
11:57 PM
changing the hosting might be a PITA
i think
 
Less likely to bite you
Also most resellers are shit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit we are certainly not older than 10.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It did prove effective at diverting that current convo
 

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