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10:00 PM
I want to do that too
 
what, Kickstart a programmable big red button?
 
but no time, and my latest failures with shift registers kinda discouraged me
@Puppy precisely
except I wanted a bit more than just a red button
hardware interface to PC, in general
 
hmm
you'd need a compelling hardware device that actually uses that interface, I think
 
I have that.
 
what is it?
 
10:02 PM
an STM32F4 board
well, it's not a user-end device on its own
but I was thinking about stuff you could hook up to it and the list goes on and on
 
well, sure, you could do, but why would you?
 
@Puppy because that costs 20gbp
and there's shitload of similar stuff
and of course analog output
leds.
analog meters of your ram and cpu usage
 
I already have a perfectly good digital meter
 
LCD with twitter or your mail inbox
 
... as opposed to my phone or web interface or desktop notification?
 
10:04 PM
@Puppy hardware devices have one important advantage - they are context-free
@Puppy yes.
you can program hardware buttons and displays to serve one purpose and that only, which makes them much simpler to use
that's why spaceships and planes don't have touchscreens
 
it also means you need ten billion of them
no, they don't have touchscreens because of the much higher reliability requirements.
planes are certainly having touchscreens implemented.
 
or at least, they're working on it.
 
@Puppy not for the key features
that's why Tesla's touchscreen is p much a fail idea
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's a reliability thing, not an interface thing.
that picture pretty much aptly demonstrates why a touchscreen is a much better interface.
 
10:07 PM
@Puppy you can't, say, just change the temperature in the car - you have to actually look at the touchscreen because there's no touch feedback
that's precisely an interface thing
 
there's ten billion 1-use buttons in that cockpit that would take you forever to learn your way around
and each one only has a tiny space in which to feed back information
no customization
 
Ell
factorio would be good 3d really
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, but I also cannot program the button to change the temperature automatically for me, or ask me if I want to warm up, or instead become the button to control my music player, or control the locks, or display a map.
dynamic digital displays are better than analog hardware buttons; aircraft and spaceships are just taking longer to get there because they're incredibly complex with massive safety requirements, so it takes longer for them to make any change.
 
no, not really.
but then again, you don't own a car either.
sigh
I'm going to play the new board game we rented
@Puppy you're wrong.
night people.
 
I think I agree with puppy here
What is going on
 
10:13 PM
I personally couldn't still replace a hard keyboard with a touchscreen display showing a keyboard layout. Just an example.
 
I should go to see a doctor about it.
 
I could; and lots of people did.
it's not that great for desktop because you want to look at the screen with your whole vision
so not having the feedback makes it hard to navigate the keyboard without looking at it
 
@Puppy But even if I had a separate display dedicated to customized input, it wouldn't feel the same.
It lacks the natural feedback, which makes me more confident of what I'm typing.
 
you're right; it would feel vastly superior because if I wanted to watch porn TV instead of type, that display could do that.
(also, haptic feedback for touchscreens and even holograms is now possible, although how long it takes to become a thing is another matter)
 
I would like something so that I can type in the air
 
10:17 PM
already invented (although again, how long it takes to be consumer-grade is another matter)
 
Like that bracelet that you put on your arm and checks the movement of your fingers by muscle contraction.
 
Ell
laser keyboard allows you to type on any surface
 
Until then, I'll be fine with hard keyboards. Although it makes me wonder if anyone had the thought of replacing it with a customizable input plate.
 
@Ell Hologram allows you to type in mid-air.
 
But then again, OS's would have to learn them.
 
Ell
10:17 PM
I wonder if factorio will get infinite universe or if it has it already
I hope so
 
OS?
What
Drivers would abstract that away.
 
Not all of it, if you intend user-level applications to customize the plate.
 
besides
 
Imagine a game converting it into an arcade-like gamepad.
 
gotta go
 
10:19 PM
for most keyboard uses, speech recognition will take over that soon enough.
 
bye
 
I seriously did not realize how advanced that shit had become.
 
@TemplateRex Hmm. I lost an earlier reply where I admit this is non-trivial. I've however concocted an answer that would probably have been helpful none-the-less:
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A: How to find in c++ STL in a specific manner?

seheI'm not sure why you want to do this, but these days Boost Interval Container library is pretty capable. Assuming that you might have wanted to keep track of the total (sum) of mapped values for a specific point, you could simply apply a splitting **Combining Style to your input data and profit:...

 
you need a professional (rather than consumer) microphone and a bit of training, but it can be scarily accurate
 
Speech recognition, IMO, will unlikely become a de facto text input, as the environment may either demand silence or be too noisy to be usable.
 
10:21 PM
hmm
 
Ell
@Puppy Maybe for some accents :P
 
I agree that it can be environmentally influenced, but machine learning algorithms are not bad at eliminating environmental noise now.
 
The latter is debatable, sure.
 
@Ell That's a problem of the training data, not the technology.
 
There’s subvocal stuff for military application or whatever :v
 
10:22 PM
We can eliminate the noise. But can we eliminate the voice's sound to everywhere except the microphone? :P
 
I think that it is theoretically possible but not in any consumer or professional device right now.
I mean, apart from the basic "Soundproofed walls" kind of thing, as in, something that would be convenient to use in an office or a train.
 
Yeah, my point.
 
did you know that there's a fucking earthquake shield now?
nerf science.
 
Ell
uh oh my turrets are dead
I need to research military sharpish
 
well I'm probably gonna crack off to bed
gotta get a train back to civilization tomorrow
 
10:28 PM
> Bonus In case you wanted, here's how you can at least write the solution to the problem posed in the OP using Boost Icl: Live On Coliru. Though it's not particularly efficient, it's straight forward and robust.
addition made
 
10:45 PM
Dang. Lounge is dead
 
Ell
yep
 
So this is what one would call dead Lounge?
 
sbi
@sehe I wouldn't count on it.
 
> My name is David, and I am the marine biologist who put a shrimp on a treadmill—a burden I will forever carry. To be clear, the treadmill did not cost millions of taxpayer dollars, the goal of the research was not to exercise shrimp, and the government did not pay me—or anyone else—to work out shrimp on treadmills. chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2014/11/13/…
@E_net4 I just did
 
@sehe Yes, but would that be a widely accepted statement to active Lounge users?
 
10:53 PM
> In an effort to put an end to the erroneous media reports of wasteful government sponsored shrimp-treadmill research, I am willing to put my infamous treadmill up for sale
lol
Only one way to find out!
Oh wait. The lounge is a little dead to ascertain this. And you'd get sample pollution too (the more people voice there opinion, whichever way, the less dead the lounge would be etc.)
 
sbi
@E_net4 How about you look it up?
 
@sbi Neat!
 
@sbi chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/10/loungec The fifth most active user had posted ~34 minutes ago.
I call this dead. Especially for the lounge (yes, death is relative now)
 
sbi
@sehe Oh, I wasn't challenging you. In fact, I find this room dead quite often.
 
Wow. I have >3 million all time messages in the lounge. That's not healthy
 
10:58 PM
I was just wondering about the timely upper bound you often consider before calling it dead.
 
Aug 24 '12 at 5:54, by StackedCrooked
Oh, I read "down" in your comment. A word which isn't there.
heh
 
@E_net4 usually ~20 minutes. But when the traffic has been really really low anyways, I might pronounce it dead earlier
 
I didn't realize @Rapptz has been here for over 2 years.
 
sbi
@sehe Where can you see this?
@E_net4 I know the time when I come here. What would I need to restrict myself with boundaries for? I declare the room dead when I come in and nobody replies.
 
Oh wait
That can't be right.
 
sbi
11:01 PM
Oh, that. Thanks. Yes, I think it's right.
 
@sehe only has 556119 there.
 
@sbi Well sure, another reasonable criterion.
 
damn greedy copy paste algorithms
 
Now I really want to see those shrimps running on a treadmill.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes First I need to move into my old apartment. Then we need to finish three projects until last week. Then I would have time for a beer. (Well, except for a few things here and there I need to slip into that mess.)
 
11:07 PM
@sbi Check out #2. Just sayin :)
 
@StackedCrooked hm?
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Shrug. I know this. But what can I do?
 
@Rapptz I happened to notice your presence in logs from 2012.
@sbi Probably nothing. I'm the same.
Actually that can't be right.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Well, I did complain loud and clear at work, and encouraged my cow-workers to do the same. This might have changed something there.
 
I don't work nearly as hard as you.
@sbi Nice.
 
11:11 PM
> Some of this article is astoundingly flaky.
I second that
 
Yeah.
> 5. I wish that I had let myself be happier.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked But with the apartment thing? I mean, by the end of December I will have been fighting this fight for 2 years. For a while I was one of the half a dozen people running a citizens' initiative. (And I was a figure head, speaking into mikes and at public occasions.) All it got me was lots of work (I ran another 20h/week job at the side) – and I did get to keep my apartment.
 
@StackedCrooked dial it up to 11
 
No, I can't let myself be that happy!
 
I believe you
 
11:13 PM
@sbi I admire your tenaciousness.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I very much hope so, anyway.
 
I would just give up and settle somewhere else.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I kinda ran out of steam now, but I still need to keep fighting. Sigh.
 
Berlin seems like a lively place though.
I don't see much people campaigning in my town.
 
Is it acceptable to ask c++ related questions in here? As in ask for help figuring out a compiler error?
 
11:17 PM
Ok, this made me laugh. I must be a sadist.
 
@StackedCrooked I think a lot of articles like this tend to reflect (almost) as much about the writer as they do about the origin.
 
Good point.
 
Dude, look at the dog's face. It's both funny and depressing.
 
@E_net4 :)
 
Yes, I'm confused now.
@asandwhich Well, I'm all ears if you give it a try.
 
11:21 PM
@E_net4 cool, thanks. I am getting an expected class-name before '{' token error for this line, and I can't figure out why. "class Sphere : public GeometricObject {"
I am including the proper header files and everything is in place as far as I can tell.
 
@asandwhich clearly you did something wrong
 
Well, you may want to pastebin the whole code.
 
@asandwhich Ok, you are missing a closing bracket somewhere.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Using C++.
 
Or opening bracket, or something.
@rightføld We are all sinners.
 
11:24 PM
hmm. Lot of stuff to pastebin. Everywhere else I have checked said it is a circular reference, but I can't find where that would be. All my brackets seem to be in place as well
will pastebin this file and included file
 
user1804599
> an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law
 
user1804599
I don't believe in divinity, so I don't consider myself a sinner.
 
Oh wow. So C++ is the language of the heretic now? :P
 
user1804599
I bought Peace Walker.
 
Here are the two header files where the issue is occurring. pastebin.com/59Xe7BqJ
 
11:25 PM
@rightføld How dare you fail to believe in me? You need to send at least 3 virgins immediately.
 
@rightføld yeah, C++ isn't particularly divine
 
trololol I like this guy already
> "What is a Solution?"
Well, you might ask "what is the problem", and that's a very valid question. The problem, basically, is that Microsoft makes it Very Hard (TM) to build things
:)
 
user1804599
Except when you use .NET.
 
@sehe wow, what a rant
 
@StackedCrooked Not really. start at the beginning?
want to learn C/C++? @cmuratori is live-making a 2D game from scratch explaining *every single thing* along the way: http://handmadehero.org/
 
11:29 PM
nah
Ok, now it sounds rather informative.
 
If you look at the ambition of this project, it can't be anything else than impressive
 
user1804599
@sehe I also made my uncontribution.
 
@asandwhich I failed to find any issues with that snippet. Makes me wonder about the other headers included.
 
user1804599
Download is at 40%. I can't wait to play!
 
@rightføld did you notice he has emacs on his desktop?
 
user1804599
11:33 PM
@sehe No.
 
user1804599
I only noticed he uses C, not C++.
 
user1804599
Therefore he is a moron.
 
twas a good guess
 
Ell
youtu.be/F3ntGDm6hOs?t=5m29s blowtard hey? Maybe he's watched the game programming language videos too..
 
user1804599
> De traditionele rellen tijdens de intocht van Sinterklaas werden dit jaar ontsierd door de aanwezigheid van honderden kinderen. Met onder andere vrolijk zingen, zwaaien en snoep eten bezorgden zij de relschoppers een vervelende dag.
 
11:34 PM
@rightføld I don't get it. I'll judge by the merits.
@rightføld lel. Speld
 
user1804599
> Het is nog onduidelijk hoe dit heeft kunnen gebeuren. De burgemeester van Gouda heeft een uitgebreid onderzoek ingesteld.
 
@Ell blowtard doesn't mean anything to me
 
Ell
it was a terrible joke
 
 
user1804599
I only harass Java programmers.
 
11:41 PM
someone did the Rosetta mission on KSP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfq2_C7JATI
 
Ell
I'm not sure if women in tech want to be treated by men how men in tech treat other men in tech
 
@rightføld The community thanks you for your contributions
@Ell I'm sure they don't. I'm not sure that is anyone's point though
 
user1804599
Misspelling the name of the programming language in the title of the question does not leave a very positive impression. — rightføld 25 secs ago
 
user1804599
@Ell I want to be treated as a woman.
 
user1804599
In a non-retarded society, that is (don't cut off my genitals).
 
11:49 PM
I have no idea what you just said, or why. — sehe just now
 
Ell
Show me your genitals (genitalia)
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
Fuckf uck fuck fuck fuck. I'm out of tonic.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked You have to try very hard to achieve exception-safe code, though!
 
had to be posted
 

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