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Xeo
10:00 AM
I know why/how the leak is happening (because a REMOVED_FROM_STAGE event isn't being triggered on the leaking object)
But I don't know how/why the event is not being triggered
It is being triggered if I tinker with a completely unrelated object.
 
Oh.
Debugging code that doesn't run is the worst.
 
test1 a = do (a ++); print a
can't compile, right?
Assuming the usual print and (++)
 
Well, it can.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes let's just shout at him for bringing us a AS problem and we can put it behind us all :P
 
Ell
Man I've had two messed up dreams recently
I hope I don't get sent to prison for thought crime
 
10:01 AM
@Sofffia Oh, no, not with the regular stuff.
 
zch
Do you have to rely on this event?
 
I see
 
Xeo
@zch I can emulate / refactor it. It's still completely baffling.
@thecoshman *lolli, surely
 
Nah, just giggling at "AS3".
 
@Xeo huh? it's a pun...
 
10:05 AM
Dear lord.
test1 a = do (a ++); print a
main = do
    x <- int 1
    test1 =<< float 1.0
    x += 4
    x -= 2
    print x
So that you can do ^
 
Xeo
5 mins ago, by Sofffia
Assuming the usual print and (++)
so much for that :P
 
Yeah, I was wrong
 
@rightføld Oh god, I hope he doesn't go all "YOU SHOULD USE RUST EVERYTHING ELSE INVARIABLY SUCKS BECAUSE IT'S NOT RUST"
 
everyone seems to need support from me the day before having to go gold, all the fucking time
 
omg I do have a personal facebook account which I signed up with a birth year of 1935, but why did I use my real name?
 
10:13 AM
it's always "urgent" because nobody bothers to test stuff before it's too late
 
Xeo
THIS IS SOOOOO WEIIIIIRD
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
found a fix. still doesn't explain the behaviour
 
Calm down, we are here to help.
We are friends.
 
Xeo
There is no help
 
Actually, nvm, I gotta eat
lol
 
user1804599
>>> babel.Locale('en', 'US').territories['GS']
'South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands'
 
user1804599
10:16 AM
Yummy, sandwiches.
 
banana sandwich
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes he probably changes his mind once he tries Rust and he'll say it sucks because he cannot do <insert Haskell feature here> in it.
 
Can sheep get infected with lycanthropy?
 
ugh, steam's web chat stopped working properly
 
Ell
10:17 AM
@Sofffia hahaha
 
Wondering if I can make a true "wolf in sheep's clothing" in DF.
 
I've never seen so many server issues like I see on Steam
 
> Updates: PayPal welcomes new president; PayPal and eBay to become two independent companies.
 
there's not a single week without them going offline
 
thanks for letting me know.. I guess.
 
10:18 AM
Oh.
 
user1804599
huh
 
user1804599
PayPal and eBay were the same company?
 
user1804599
I hate eBay with a passion.
 
I guess I could cloth a regular werewolf-dwarf with sheep leather.
 
10:18 AM
Yes
since like 2005 or something
Where have you been?
not even, 2002.
 
@AlexM. try the League of Legends EUW servers...
 
wtf, going to this weekend trip in a few days time, need to find out more info but the organizer is not returning my messages
 
user1804599
@Rapptz I was like 7 in 2002.
 
Ell
all the codementor projects are webdev
 
user1804599
Everything is webdev.
 
Ell
10:19 AM
I ought to learn it really. But ughh so boring
 
user1804599
There is no such thing as not webdev.
 
@ArneMertz EUNE worked fine for the X hours I played LoL
ain't going back
 
Ell
I might try RoR
 
for some reason, Dota 2 players tend to shut up most of the time
unlike LoL players
much better to play with
buuut, server issues
I'm doing the all-hero challenge, and I'm trying to win a game with each hero in as few tries as possible; last time I won, but because of server overload, the match wasn't recorded
 
I'm not sure what they mean by separation.
They're not selling it or anything.
Oh wait I see.
 
10:25 AM
@Ell Reague of Regends?
 
Risk of Rain?
 
Ell
Rubby on Rairs
 
Oh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Roam of Roarcraft
 
user1804599
Rust on Rails
 
Ell
10:28 AM
I want to make a finance tracking app
I guess I could modify GnuCash
 
user1804599
Make it in C. You don't provide warranty anyway.
 
@Ell Don't
 
@rightføld Rust on Rhodium.
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus but money
 
user1804599
Ell on Drugs
 
10:30 AM
Ell on Ecstasy.
 
Ell
Cat on Catnip
 
user1804599
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo
 
Wide on Whales
Also meh Monday
 
WtF
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
user1804599
10:31 AM
Monday is the best day of the week.
 
user1804599
Tuesday is the worst.
 
@rightføld why that?
 
user1804599
No more boring weekend.
 
get a hobby oO
or Work on Weekends :P
 
user1804599
I practice my hobby at work, and I get money for it.
 
10:33 AM
you like being told what to do ... I see
 
well, a second hobby then?
or start a private project
 
@rightføld let's start a private project
you'll take care of the work, I'll make sure it stays private
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
It won't be finished.
 
get 2-3 girlfriends, your weekend would never be boring again ... I hope they are clingy too, all the more fun (for us to watch)
 
10:35 AM
suit yourself!
 
@rightføld make it smaller
 
user image
4
 
well, waitresses gotta start early
before being born, preferably
 
start 'em off young
 
man, I can't believe how Wasteland 2 managed to take away half of the fun by spoiling the ending like that, really what kind of developer puts an obvious "easter-egg" that tells you what you'll find at the end of the game. then ends the paragraph with "oops!"
this is the shit that happens when publishers don't force the erasure of inappropriate content from games
ugh
I lost most of my motivation to play the game
 
Ell
10:43 AM
what do you guys think of using env for environment and other such shortenings of words?
I generally don't do it
 
user1804599
env is a well-known abbreviation.
 
@Sofffia that's intentional.
 
+1 for the effort. I expect this to be expected behaviour on because the heap report is triggered inside main(). Would be nice to have a MSVC buff chime in though. — sehe 21 secs ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Boy Who Cried Sheep's Clothing!
 
@AlexM. What?
 
you're a slut!
(who generally doesn't do it)
 
10:47 AM
Spoiling the ending isn't inappropriate content.
 
it is when the purpose is to spoil the ending
it's essentially an "Ooops, just spoiled the ending for you LOL" message
 
I'd laugh at it.
 
@AlexM. You are blaming your behaviour on external factors. You're going to have a hard time being happy
 
I wouldn't, I didn't spend 12 hours reading through everything just to have half of the story ruined like that
 
@AlexM. Hint: it's not ruined. It's just in a different perspective for you. If you only read stories for the suspense...
 
10:48 AM
@AlexM. How do you know it's really a spoiler, though?
 
what do you mean?
 
Unless you know the real ending, you can't know it's true.
It could be just a joke.
 
^ plot twust
 
@sehe it's more that it confirmed my suspicions, however it did so very abruptly and I gained no satisfaction from it
 
It could be just a narrative device that plays on your expectations for effect.
 
10:50 AM
you already hear about things that will be part of the ending right from the start, so it's not hard to anticipate who the bad guy is and so on
 
You're now expecting that ending, and when things start deviating you'll be asking yourself "how the hell will things steer towards that ending again?"
That can keep you hooked despite the spoiler.
It moves the interesting part into right before the end.
 
I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that, especially since a mate's take on my complaint was "meh, you already knew about those things if you made some links based on the story so far, so it's not a big deal"
 
There's probably a name for this trope.
 
you can try to erase the memory by getting really drunk
 
@AlexM. He spoiled it then. Shoot him.
 
10:54 AM
no he didn't lol, the easter egg did
like, you enter your HQ
go to the museum
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes equally, it can make you know that person X is now invincible until that point.
 
there's an armed nuclear bomb there
 
Thank you are you going to spoil the ending for us?
 
and you can press a button to make it go off
who wouldn't press the buton
like, it was so obviously placed
 
ffs
 
10:55 AM
@thecoshman Or shock you more when they turn out not to be.
 
@jalf it's not the ending
it's the thing that spoils your ending
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, depends if it is telling you the truth that person X does this at some stage, or if it's a 'oooh premonition' as part of the game itself.
 
so, the game teases you about what the ending is going to be, but you have no way of knowing if that is accurate, until your friend goes "here's what the ending is going to be", and you're saying that he didn't spoil the ending?
 
@Ell We have stability test named STABTEST.
 
10:57 AM
@thecoshman It depends mostly on how reliable the information source is.
 
@jalf if you put it like that, there's no way for me to confirm that it's accurate even if my friend told me it is
maybe the friend lied
 
> Thanks For Watching
dat pun
 
Never lend an unreliable narrator money.
 
@AlexM. yes?
 
that doesn't bring back my enjoyment of the game though
hoping that everything I've read is a lie
 
10:58 AM
Only you can do that. Now, feel free to switch the topic
 
Xeo
Sigh
 
> "If you only knew the power of the dark side. Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father."
"He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
"No. I am your father."
You can't trust all exposition you're given from in-universe information.
 
ffff ... maybe I should withdraw from next weekend's trip, the organizer refuses to answer anything other than on a public message board online. we have done a few bushwalk trips before, he told me my AWD is not a 4WD & offered me a ride, now he's not responding when I asked him the details in regards to the trip
 
user1804599
@sehe nice
 
I know a better example, but I don't want to spoil it. (Spoiling Star Wars is fair game)
 
11:05 AM
I think the term is "red herrings"
 
he's not answering to my private message/sms but he was answering someone else on the web page in regards to the trip & allowing more people on it.
 
Xeo
So, situation:
- Two objects (A and B, where A is leaking something), both have the same parent (scene hierarchy)
- the parent is removed from the stage (its parent), which _should_ trigger a REMOVED_FROM_STAGE event on all of its children
- after that, A is removed from its parent
- then, B is removed from its parent
- A does _not_ get a REMOVED_FROM_STAGE event
- if B is not removed from the parent, A _does_ get a REMOVED_FROM_STAGE event
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Someone explain that shit
wtf is going on
Also, if the parent is removed from the stage after the two children are removed, the events also get dispatched correctly
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd argue Star Wars is much more complex than the simple plot this game has though :) anyway, I'll just take it as a premature confirmation of what I thought was obvious enough
there's plenty of sidequests so I guess I'll just immerse myself in those instead
 
maybe he's trying to piss me off & making me quit by telling me that my car is not good enough then not responding to my questions in regards to where I can catch a ride with him
 
11:08 AM
This is great. telkitty is rambling about her car, robot is spoiling Star Wars, and xeo is going on about Actionscript. Best Lounge conversation :D
 
I am rambling about this trip organizer
Maybe he planned to execute revenge on me ... because last time he offered to give 4 of us a lift. But I changed my mind last min & drove to the national park myself. He seemed to be really pissed off ...
Seriously though a car can only comfortably fit 4 people even if you have a 4WD
 
ITT, @Xeo is bad at iterating a list of objects to destroy them:)
 
they already had 4 people in the car, don't know why he was so upset
 
Xeo
@MartinJames Err, that's got nothing to do with that
 
@Sofffia Unanimity only lasts one more circuit
 
11:18 AM
@Xeo I only called it as I see it:)
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty the trip isn't into the Belangalo state forest is it? why would he want to squeeze you all into one car?
 
user1646075
can I add to the general noise of crossed conversation by mentioning that my cat seems to have blood in his piss?
 
11:35 AM
@chmod711telkitty Including himself?
 
4 passengers (the 3, plus you) in a 4x4 is just fine
He probably took it as some kind of insult cos you were being silly
 
@aclarke :( maybe your cat could use a vet ...
 
Ell
@chmod711telkitty "a car"? any car?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but if I got in there would be 5 people
 
Ell
11:38 AM
our car fits 6 passengers comfortably
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty yeah, looking one up now. he's new (to us) but 3.5 yrs old.
 
@chmod711telkitty 4 passengers. Just fine.
Or is this a tiny jeep from the 1920s?
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty and it's fun to bush-bash in your own car, am i rite?
 
Ell
and our mini hybrid 4x4 fits 4 passengers comfortably
 
user1804599
baka
 
user1646075
11:40 AM
but AWD != 4WD if you speek tecknical. 4WD implies dumber mechanical locking diffs, whereas AWD generally means electronic variable locking diffs etc which don't actually work that well on dirt. What sort of car do you have?
 
mine's a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander semi-auto petrol
my baby
 
user1646075
a friend of mine had a Nissan X-Trail with the electronic AWD, and he said the diff would overhead and stop engaging when it was put on dirt, 'cos the work it had to do was too heavy.
 
user1646075
overhead => overheat
 
I drove Outlander for a week before ... as a replacement car from the insurance company I am with ...
 
user1646075
11:47 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i call bullshit on that one.
 
user1646075
also mormons. Oh rite, not christians....
 
user1646075
also new and old. The prosecution rests.
 
user1646075
clearly the first was defective...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if it's part of the game/film itself telling what 'will' happen, it's not a spoiler, it's part of the game/film. If it's from the outside, it's a spoiler. Some people are like you mentioned, and wnjoy seeing how things unfold to what they know the end will be.
 
Now I am f***ing sure the organizer being a d***head, he sent out a group message answering some of my questions. It could be a coincident of course - that he changed his mobile number, email address and did not read any personal messages on the site. But it is more likely he's just a d***head.
 
11:49 AM
@aclarke There are like 7 commonly used Bibles in mainstream Christianity alone, and that's just today
people have this odd view of religions as being monolithic, unified organisations
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty sounding a bit paranoid there. I've morphed individual Q's into group emails when i was doing technical support. It might mean your questions are really good
 
that then translates for some as faith being a monolithic, unified property of people
it's absurd
 
user1646075
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I wonder if the Jews have more than one version of the old testament....
 
literally everyone believes different things to different degrees, and even published religious doctrines mirror that to some degree
 
user1646075
11:51 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit even though they are splintered almost immediately. ;-/ Consider why there are Sunni and Shi'a muslims...
 
@aclarke Even that is a silly categorisation, implying that every Sunni Muslim has the exact same set of beliefs and levels of faith
 
user1646075
@LightnessRacesinOrbit which is kind of odd when you consider how scattered they were. curious.
 
@aclarke To a degree yeah
 
user1646075
@LightnessRacesinOrbit they're like the protestants and catholics - but seriously close in belief. It's mainly a political shit-fight on who should have been Mohammed's successor
 
It also suggests that Jews place more importance on their own faith than on converting others (which is observably true), and one might propose that this is evident here. Christian missionaries told the "truth" that they thought their potential new flock would buy into
@aclarke yes I know
 
11:54 AM
@aclarke yeah, normally I would believe that's the case ... if not for the fact that he always used very little effort and ended to piss me off immensely.
 
Ell
rubber dinghy rapids
 
but the question being, why am I still signed up to this event
I should just avoid him like a plague
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty because once the smoke clears, it'll be fun with your friends/
 
user1646075
@LightnessRacesinOrbit a friend (ok, of a friend but I've personally met her) had a recent issue - huge story not to go into here, but I read around verses 4:20-4:40 of the koran and it was truly scary.
 
@aclarke I try not to read the Qu'ran because I prefer not to get arrested
 
Ell
11:59 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why would you get arrested?
 

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