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1:02 PM
of course
 
> fatal error C1001: An internal error has occurred in the compiler. (compiler file 'f:\dd\vctools\compiler\cxxfe\sl\p1\c\template.cpp', line 22679) To work around this problem, try simplifying or changing the program near the locations listed above.
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VS ICEs are funny.
 
@Jefffrey hm, use 2.1 functions?
 
Oh, btw, the locations are listed below.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... nevermind.
 
@Jefffrey 2.1 has a weird mixup of shaders and fixed bindings in them
You should check your extension string first.
What GPU is that?
 
1:10 PM
NVIDIA GeForce 320M
 
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Do any of you floss or pick teeth? :v
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes template.cpp, line 22679..whoa
 
@BartekBanachewicz You can stick to shaders.
 
@Jefffrey dude, that will support at least 3.3
 
@BartekBanachewicz Remember those mythological forces?
 
1:12 PM
@Jefffrey you have to elaborate on that.
 
Mac.
 
will that run on a different GPU?
 
@Jefffrey Mac supports 3.2
try again.
 
Oh yeah. WTF.
 
1:12 PM
there you go.
 
I believe you already showed me that.
w/e 3.3 is alright.
glVertexAttribPointer, in/out and stuffs.
 
I swear to god, I had that same picture with only 2.1 up to 100%.
 
2.1 is old
 
Maybe because Snow Leopard.
 
1:14 PM
it's ~ DirectX 9.
 
I had Snow Leopard back then probably.
Well, ok. Thanks anyway.
> Specifically, you will need hardware capable of running OpenGL version 3.3.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes where should I put my GVim plugins on windows?
 
oh hey
I got a Google Helpouts invite.
 
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@DeadMG You have friends!
 
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It's magic.
 
1:20 PM
what, did someone here arrange for me to be invited?
 
Well anyway @R.MartinhoFernandes when you're there I guess I'll need more help with configuring it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz %USERPROFILE%\vimfiles.
 
testing 1 2 3
 
@DeadMG dafuq's that?
 
dafuq, I kept getting parse errors in chat up until now
 
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1:21 PM
@DeadMG Nope, but now I did.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and vimrc?
 
%USERPROFILE%_vimrc, I think.
I can check.
 
Xeo
$HOME\_vimrc :D
 
Oh, Markdown.
 
Xeo
And from there you can put it where you want and just source it from there.
 
user1804599
1:23 PM
I have source ~/vimrc/.vimrc in my .vimrc and .vim is a symlink to ~/vimrc/vimfiles. :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It essentially seems to be StackOverflow, with video chat, but covering any topic, and the helper gets paid.
 
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This way I can keep it in version control without putting my entire home directory in version control.
 
Mine is just runtime vimrc. I don't put it in source control.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yaaay
@Xeo I've especially mentioned it's on Windows
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, just check $HOME inside of gvim :P
 
1:24 PM
okey now how do I change colors :F
 
user1804599
I do roughly the same with .zshrc.
 
@Xeo lol, neat
 
Xeo
colo pablo
 
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colors solarized and set background=light :D
 
1:25 PM
:BundleInstall flazz/vim-colorschemes may be in order.
 
Xeo
Hm. At home, set nu rnu leaves me with relative line numbers, and the current line has the absolute number.
At work, one completely overwrites the other :/
 
> When setting this option, 'number' is reset.
> When setting this option, 'relativenumber' is reset.
 
Visual studio is really slow today :(
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Eh, how the fuck do I get what I have at home then?
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm, nice.
 
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1:35 PM
Is there some kind of sleep function in Vim, and a way to loop over all the available color schemes? :P
 
I have just sold the source code and rights for one of my simplest app to someone (iphone only), but the website mentioned I have to give my password for the itune connect developer account?
 
That sounds wrong.
 
user1804599
I want to pick one I like.
 
@not-rightfold There's a plugin that picks one randomly every time you start vim.
 
user1804599
1:36 PM
Ah, :while 1|sleep 1|call NextColor(1)|endwhile.
 
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With a custom function NextColor.
 
:%!ls <path_to_colors>
:%s/^\(.*\)/sleep 1 | echo "\1" | colors /
Then source it.
Or...
:%!ls <path_to_colors>
:%s/^/colors /
:%y
q:p
Now you have a colors blah line for each scheme in the command-line window. Just try each in turn.
 
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Coool.
 
:autocmd CmdwinEnter * map <buffer> <F5> <CR>q:
This will prevent the command-line window from closing on Enter.
Make it <CR>q:j and you can just press F5 repeatedly to cycle through.
 
1:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wonder which law he broke.
 
Probably some variant of vandalism.
@Xeo Do you use a patched version or something?
I think Bram is adding this on 7.4.
 
Xeo
Nope? Maybe I have a different version at home
 
Solarized colorscheme is available as a plugin
works nicely
 
Xeo
At work I have 7.3
might have 7.4 at home
 
1:55 PM
beautifulness!!
now Powerline
 
Good day fellas
 
Powerline is great. I use it in vim and tmux now.
 
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chlordane is Hollywood's colour scheme.
 
Xeo
predA &&& predB >>> uncurry (&&) -- wheee
Maybe I like the function instance of Arrow too much
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well I've added a bundle but it doesn't show
fuck my vim has no python
what now?
okey old powerline works
now I just need a font
 
2:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Build it? Download a version that does?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes since old one works, I don't feel a need to do so
 
I'm pretty sure the standard vim install on Windows has Python.
python/dyn or python3/dyn IIRC
 
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let s:colors = ['PapayaWhip', 'ashen', 'baycomb', 'colorful', 'kiss', 'kaltex', 'inkpot', 'grape', 'pleasant', 'obsidian2']
exe 'colors ' . s:colors[system('echo $RANDOM') % len(s:colors)]
 
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:P
 
good enough
 
2:13 PM
<3 powerline
Ugh, .jpg
 
One basic question in C++. If a struct contains non primitive datatype members, do I need to allocate memory for it separately, I mean in addition to malloc(sizeof(struct))?
 
Wait, it's a .png on my disk.
WTF
Does imgur auto jpgify large pics or something?
 
@ontherocks uhm, what are you doing with malloc in C++?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah well on linux it's much easier to configure
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I find your lack of Windows disturbing
 
2:17 PM
@Borgleader windows sucks
I FUCKING PASSED
YES YES YES
PONIES.
 
you were expecting to fail?
 
@NikiC, I am trying to clear some fundamentals. I may be wrong.
 
@Borgleader I am always expecting to fail
 
malloc is not a "fundamental" in C++. It's a legacy interop feature.
 
I got 3.0, which is the lowest passing grade
 
2:19 PM
3/6?
Wait, never mind.
 
2/3/3.5/4/4.5/5
 
@BartekBanachewicz What did you pass?
 
Drug test.
 
Eh, I had some close calls too, like in my Electromagnetic Fields class... omfg that was a shit course
 
2:21 PM
kekeke.
 
That was the only room that matched the search term "true"
 
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@BartekBanachewicz OMG
 
ok I will use new.
 
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Object Management Group
 
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@ontherocks Use std::make_unique.
 
2:25 PM
@not-rightfold isnt make_unique c++14?
 
I think so. VC doesn't have it either way.
 
It's not magic, though.
 
its not on cppreference
 
And it's the thought that counts.
 
@Borgleader yes it's c++14
 
2:27 PM
I had another idea a while back.
It was a giant maze, of sorts.
Players (least 20, say) would try to reach the middle first.
Would also have... RPG elements (?), items and whatnot. And, at night(?), some monsters roam the maze.
 
There was a maze in the Call of Cthulhu adventure I played last Friday.
 
Xeo
We fought a dragon and a clay golem on Sunday
 
Hmm, dragons.
For some reason they never presented much of a challenge to my players :S
They actually one-hitted one of the right CR once.
 
I had another idea, of a platformer/shooter.
The main mechanic would be light - or, rather, lack thereof.
 
The others they managed to overcome without a fight.
 
Xeo
2:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Likewise, we tore it down in 3 rounds. Although one of us is a powergamer pact mage with an overpowered pet :/
well, it was a young dragon too. But then again, we were lvl 8
 
If they knew ahead of time, they would spend hours planning (how to avoid) the fight.
 
@Pawnguy7 ah more amazing ideas
 
Haha, yes.
 
Xeo
What I did not like was that it was a fire dragon, so my Mysterium of Flames was worthless :|
 
@Xeo No OP on that one-hit. Just a whole lotta maxed out rolls. Like, crit and all dice maxed out. Those things that "never happen".
 
2:32 PM
Mostly old ones.
 
@Pawnguy7 I am rewriting Harvest now
 
I still don't quite know what the final verdict on stringly typed API's was.
 
Xeo
They suck?
 
@Pawnguy7 that was not a stringly typed API T_T
 
@Xeo One of the PCs in that campaign decided to become a dragon hunter, especially geared toward the red ones. That was after a red one polymorphed as the innkeeper sliced the throat of another PC, hehehehehe.
 
2:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I may be misuising the term.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Was it a stringly termed API? :P
 
Anyway, there would be things like light sources hanging around, which you want to avoid so people don't see you. This, and, say, shots give off flashes.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes ow
meh, monad transformers kinda seem tedious.
with all the lifting
 
@Xeo do you even lift?
 
Stringly typed APIs have this problem that it's easy to mistakenly attack your fellow dragoon instead of the dragon you wanted to. (How's that for combining unrelated threads?)
 
2:39 PM
@Xeo Pulling that off was a bit nasty, but it made the rest all the much more awesome because of the tone it set. Eventually they got so paranoid about shapeshifters (their chosen nemesis was one too) that the only thing preventing them from literally shooting first and speak with dead later was the party's paladin.
 
Xeo
haha
sounds nice
 
Just finished converting all of our models to OBJ files since that's the only format we know how to read properly.
those are brilliant ^
 
Just a pity that real life intervened and they never had the time to complete their revenge. :(
 
Xeo
-- With `ReaderT` over `IO`, it feels like there should be a better way to do the following:
  h <- asks socket
  msg <- init <$> hGetLine h -- drop trailing '\r'
 
a pity is that a vim app on iPad is slow as fuck
and I have no jailbreak now
 
2:51 PM
A wat
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, vim on iPad?
 
Human* human= dynamic_cast<Human*>(shapeShifter);
if(human == null)
 
@Xeo Almost everything I ever wrote with the transformers that wasn't demo or experimentation code ended up with scratching the whole shebang and writing a specific monad with all the features instead of a single enormous stack of transformers.
 
Xeo
hm
 
2:54 PM
heya
 
Xeo
It's just ReaderT and IO for now
 
For the biggest assignment in university I had error, reader, writer, state, and IO. RWS exists already a single transformer, though.
 
Xeo
Wait, isn't State a combination of Reader and Writer?
 
Not if you don't want to write into the same place you read from.
 
What is usually done when loading potentially tampered files?
 
2:59 PM
validation
 
Expand on that?
 
Test if it's valid?
Hard to expand on it for arbitrary files.
RT @AaronSorkin After much trepidation, I’ve decided to join Twitter. What piques my curiosity is the economy of language required to (1/57)
 
Xeo
asks socket :: MonadReader Foo m => m Handle
hGetLine :: Handle -> IO String
I have a feeling I should be able to chain those
with a liftIO sprinkled somewhere
 
question; is there a way to strip all "non-normal" characters? ie, characters not on a keyboard from a file
 
imagine touch-typing on that thing
 
Alternatively, "yes, just do nothing; all characters are in a keyboard somewhere".
 
Chinese is fucking stupid. Perfect example of what happens when you create a non-modular and borderline inextensible system.
 
Ell
:L
 
3:11 PM
The above is for Japanese, btw.
 
Japanese is better
I suppose even for Chinese, arguably you can blame the manner in which computers accept modular characters, since theoretically you can build all Chinese Trad/Simpl glyphs from component strokes, just like you can build Latin words from component characters.
But trying to maintain "one character per word" (ish) seems silly from the outset
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thank God English is so sensible and orthogonal!
 
maybe one day human would all be super smart and characters need more permutations to differentiate the subtle differences ... before then we indeed need to cater their limited brain power with less letters
 
Xeo
msg <- fmap init $ liftIO . hGetLine =<< asks socket
whee~
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 36 strokes (almost all?) are encoded in Unicode. No one uses them.
 
3:17 PM
@JerryCoffin Indeed!
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because it's shit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Whoosh!
 
You see, the loungers can't even handle 2 C++ rooms, surely people can not handle more than 26 letters
 
@JerryCoffin Back atcha...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Isn't it what you suggested?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Theoretically" - the rest of my argument maintains that it's silly and cumbersome and that nobody uses it only reinforces that.
 
3:19 PM
I don't see a lot of difference between "one sequence of symbols per word" and "one sequence of strokes per word".
 
pinyin is easier
 
Granted, that western languages tend to have some more or less direct correlation between each symbol and the sounds they represent is a bonus, but even that is questionable at times. (English?)
 
sometimes you can use 2 letters to write 2 characters
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes French?
 
Oooh, that too.
Though French is still more systematic than English.
 
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3:21 PM
Irish.
 
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Tibetan.
 
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Burmese.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's that Latin symbology already incorporates "one sequence of symbols per word" very visually. You write one character at a time, in a fixed order (unless you're retarded), in a line.
 
Algerian
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Almost anything is more systematic than English. The association between letters and sounds in French is still pretty loose though.
 
Xeo
3:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes German is pretty nice in that regard, I think
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Slapping strokes on top of one another is far from ordered or structured, in such a manner.
Simply put, with Latin it really is a "sequence"; with Chinese it isn't, and there would be a learning curve for anybody trying to type Chinese glyphs by inputting sequential strokes. It's just not natural
Disclaimer: I know nothing about writing Chinese, really
 
Stroke order (; hitsujun or kaki-jun; pilsun or hoeksun) refers to the order in which the strokes of a Chinese character are written. A stroke is a movement of a writing instrument on a writing surface. Chinese characters are used in various forms in Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and in Vietnamese. They are known as Hanzi in Chinese, kanji in Japanese, Hanja in Korean, and Chữ nôm in Vietnamese. Basic principles Chinese characters are basically logograms constructed with strokes. Over the millennia a set of generally agreed rules have been developed by custom. Minor variations exist be...
 
gif! kill it with fire.
 
@Xeo Russian too -- even when you have no clue what they mean, you can pronounce words in Russian quite recognizably just by knowing the alphabet.
 
@JerryCoffin For that matter, Greek too.
I can read Greek!
Just don't ask me to understand it.
 
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3:24 PM
@JerryCoffin You know, like most languages?
 
Xeo
I like it when my Haskell code type-checks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dammit.
 
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@JerryCoffin Retarded spelling is the exception, not the rule.
 
Then everything I just said falls apart and never mind.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :)
 
Ell
3:25 PM
I can speak a tiny bit of greek
 
@Fanael I don't know enough languages to say with certainty, but my experience has been that native speakers of most languages believe it's the case, but are nearly always wrong.
 
@JerryCoffin Might have something to do with sharing the same alphabet but different phoneme sets.
 
木 means wood 林 means woods (area covered by trees) 森林 means forest
 
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And "fuck" means fuck.
 
3:27 PM
Chinese is more symbolic, evolved from symbols
 
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@Xeo Bad example, see zompist.com/spell.html
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Undoubtedly doesn't help.
 
@JerryCoffin The familiarity with the symbols is often misleading, but most languages that use the latin alphabet are pretty systematic in pronounciation, once you learn that language's letter(s)-phoneme map.
 
鱼 <-- fish
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Pretty systematic", except when they're not. Just for one obvious example, many (most?) Latin-based languages have (at least) two different pronunciations for most vowels.
 
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3:31 PM
@JerryCoffin Citation needed.
 
雨 <-- rain
 
@Fanael Proof left as an exercise for the reader.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I knew that one :p
 
Candy is similar, isn't it?
 
3:32 PM
The average number of vowel sounds per language is almost six. I don't know about the set that uses the Latin alphabet.
 
@chris huh?
 
'ellö.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I think I read some fun fact once that the difference between the two is ah'-meh vs. ah-meh'.
Oh, yeah, the words are the same. I don't imagine the kanji are.
 
@JerryCoffin I'm not sure I agree with that. They have more than five vowel sounds, yeah, but I think most of the "extras" are marked with diacritics, doubled letters, part of dyphthongs, or with consistent rules (like -e endings in French, or... all vowel endings in Portuguese).
Still, not saying they're totally systematic.
@Fanael Hmmm. IPA: e; phoneme: ä; sample: r_a_te?
I thought that was /eɪ/, not /e/.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think we're starting to talk at cross purposes. My original assertion was about being able to pronounce words at least reasonably well knowing nothing but the alphabet. Most do have a fairly small number of rules beyond the alphabet, and follow those rules fairly consistently, but still pretty clearly require more than the alphabet to even get started.
 
3:41 PM
@JerryCoffin Oh, you mean a 1-to-1 map. Ok. Fair enough.
Yeah, that's definitely not the rule.
Pretty much no Latin-alphabet language. Neither Greek, definitely. No idea about Russian, but I take your word for it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The big problem with Russian is that you still run into the problem of what syllables to emphasize, so if you only know the alphabet, you place equal emphasis on all syllables.
 
Oh, stress.
 
The result isn't the way a native speaker would say the word, but it's still generally quite recognizable.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right.
 
I still get that wrong in English at times. Stress in Portuguese is often marked with diacritics. And we just shift the vowel sounds for stress.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not surprising -- there's an old joke in English about placing the em**pha**sis on the wrong syl**lab**le (which renders those words nearly unrecognizable the first time you hear it).
 
3:51 PM
Is there a minimal pair of words that differ by stress?
 
Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!
OpenGL on Mac is such a fucking pain in the ass.
 
I'm willing to bet that any such pair in Portuguese would differ by a diacritic.
 
Xeo
Robot, isn't there anything tweetable in the operator typename or user-defined qualifier threads?
 
@Xeo Maybe. I have yet to peer into anything but the first few posts, but it looks promising.
Hmm, I'd lose that bet :S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess it depends on how you look at things. For example, "mobile" can be either an adjective (emphasis on first syllable) or noun (emphasis on second syllable). They're related enough that I'm pretty sure most dictionaries list it as one word with two pronunciations and definitions.
 
3:55 PM
Though the pair I found does not have different pronounciation in my dialect.
@JerryCoffin That's pretty much what I was after!
 

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