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21:00
I lost another 2 pounds this week.
@rightfold Whatever. Far-fetched logorheics
so far totalling 26
Wow. That's awesome. (As long as you're not actually dieing?)
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@not-sehe I won't be able to stand the pressure.
@not-sehe Dunno, really.
21:00
@rightfold Pascal called. He wants his units back
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@not-sehe Don't worry. Maybe I can stand the pressure with my power. I'm a horse, after all.
@DeadMG Uhoh. That doesn't sound too good. I assumed you're actively trying to lose weight
@rightfold Pony != horse
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ponies ⊂ horses D:<
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52 PONY POWER!!!
ponies ?< horses
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21:02
@ThePhD ⊂, not <, you silly fool.
subset
Of course, ⊂ denotes "horseshoe"
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Niet nodig; heb een kilometers dikke eeltlaag.
Tenenkaas TMI
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People always notice that I use semicolons.
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Nobody uses semicolons in Dutch.
21:04
I do! for(;;)
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for (;;) is for in Go. :)
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And while (x) is for x.
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Xeo
@not-sehe I should try and do that. :/ Been putting on a little weight lately.
@Xeo Me too. With lately being the last 15-20 years.
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I should gain weight. I'm too skinny.
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21:06
@rightfold Want some?
I used to be skinny. I was so proud when I topped 65kg
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@Xeo I'd rather gain it through eating fat food. :3
@Xeo It'd be cool if you could transfer weight around like that.
Now, I'm almost 75kg on a good day with shallow moon
Could have binge eaters and then have binge exercisers.
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21:06
@not-sehe I'm like, 55kg.
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:v
Xeo
Xeo
Yeah, I'll just stay silent.
@rightfold I think I'm around 60-63 KG.
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@ThePhD Fatass.
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:>
21:07
These units, they mean nothing.
Over this summer, I want to get a six pack.
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I haven't taken a single car/bus anywhere. I walk two and from work.
@rightfold Wrong kind of six pack. :c
I want one made of muscle.
And MANLINESS.
JBL
JBL
^he has very round muscles, that's it.
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD Who wants a six-pack when you can have a barrel? :D
21:08
Who wants beer anyways
@Xeo I want one, because I am the only boy in my family who didn't get a six pack at some point in their life. =[
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@not-sehe Steen.
@ThePhD Better start saving up
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Opstaan voor bier!
@Xeo Also, who needs barrels when you can have buns.
@rightfold Creepy as fuck.
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21:09
Don't click any links.
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His profile is sick.
Good to know.
user142019
He's a Dutch rapper (and quite a pretty damn good one).
@GManNickG I'm sure you prefer to express mass in eV?
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I'm like, 90kg
21:10
@not-sehe Electronvolt is a unit for energy. Not mass.
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@not-sehe inb4 LBS
Well, I guess if you use E=mc^2
@not-sehe No, in units of the mass of a single sheet of A4 paper is how I generally roll.
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@Insilico And what is mass again? :3
In physics, the electron volt (symbol eV; also written electronvolt) is a unit of energy equal to approximately joule (symbol J). By definition, it is the amount of energy gained (or lost) by the charge of a single electron moved across an electric potential difference of one volt. Thus it is 1 volt (1 joule per coulomb, 1 J/C) multiplied by the negative of the electron charge (−1 e, or ). Therefore, one electron volt is equal to . Historically, the electron volt was devised as a standard unit of measure through its usefulness in electrostatic particle accelerator sciences because a...
21:11
I stand corrected I just remembered Einstein.
He feels honoured
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Although I wonder how relativistic effects play into the calculation. Probably not much since we're moving way less than the speed of light.
@rightfold You need more nutricious food than noodles when you're trying to write melody lines and lyrics.
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I measure weight in penises.
21:13
@rightfold I thought that was a unit of length.
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@not-sehe When I'm doing what? I never do that.
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@MonadNewb That too.
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I HAVE SO MANY BONERS
@rightfold Oh, it wasn't a self-snap
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@not-sehe Oh, I get it now. XD
21:14
@Insilico I think I came up with a great mechanical design for the door-opener. :D
Also hi. :D
Hi! :-)
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@not-sehe Ik eet nauwelijks meer noodles.
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Ik eet tegenwoordig alleen maar boterhammen en avondeten wat ik voorgeschoteld krijg, als wel als döner kebab en friet.
@rightfold Never did. What's up with those things anyways
I still have to draw it up digitally, though.
21:15
@rightfold "als wel als" -> you need a serious break. Anglic braindamage is starting to show
Which is going to be a chore but should allow me to get a lot of my initial mechanical ideas out of the way and then focus on using the STM32F and the 2 motors I haven't decided on to actually do the opening.
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@not-sehe Geen idee hoe ik dat in het Nederlands moet zeggen.
I think I need to put in the order for that STM microcontroller now, but I also have no clue how I'm going to wire it up. =[
@ThePhD the dilatation
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21:16
Ik denk tegenwoordig in het Engels.
@rightfold 'zowel als'?
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@not-TonyTheLion They said that to Jesus too.
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@not-sehe Dankjewel, meester der Nederlandse taal.
@rightfold I know that feel.
@rightfold It's rare I think in Dutch these days.
I only speak Dutch to my family. Otherwise, never.
@not-sehe I am, but that doesn't imply that I'm not dying.
21:20
true, you're not dying, but Wide is dying.
Developers are supposed to be optimists.
sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssh
Change your name to not-Funny
I was an optimist and then I started writing software.
@not-sehe lol
Will I become a better person if I become not-ThePhD
Sure. You'll become a better person as soon as you change. It's a local minimum :)
No. It's not about becoming a better person, its about protesting the fact that the real polar Bear is still not back.
21:23
Yeah. I might as well.
@BoltClock can I ask you a practical question related to merging accounts?
why is Wide dying
I'm trolling you.
I just implemented in-class initializers
First law of thermodynamics
I'm dying
Same excuse
> The internal energy of an isolated system is constant and energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.
21:25
Also known as 'entropy is ever increasing in the universe'
ITT: kill the lounge with a modicum of pseudo-physics
user142019
I want C## which fixes C#.
by the way
what dafuq is wrong with me
all the code is so easy to write now (unless it deals with Clang)
I implemented in-class initializers in like, two minutes.
it shouldn't be that easy.
Hm. A lot of the motors I'm looking at are pretty bland.
21:33
also
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@DeadMG Maybe it's inefficient and buggy!
I really, really need more testing and tests in general, but I have no idea how the fuck.
@DeadMG Make a bunch of wide files, run them through the compiler programatically, catch exceptions?
There's even Sutter's Mill!
You can even write the programs in-line and wrap up the const char[n] with a kind of mem_iostream or something.
@Griwes "Little Lost Goto"
Poor goto.
21:37
pretty trivial to implement a compile method that will handle compiling strings of Wide code.
if the llvm jit can link in c++stdlib stuff you could even REPL it
@DeadMG Write a compiler in Wide.
@DeadMG Swell way to detect leaks
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I want a combination of OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner where I can put outlines in mindmap elements.
got a lot of stuff to do before bootstrap
@rightfold It's called cut&paste. You know
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@not-sehe Sucks if I update the outline.
21:44
@DeadMG Isn't your core language turing complete yet :/
of course
@rightfold That's the beauty: it will invite you think your outline over quite well before committing changes
@DeadMG Then, seriously, this might not be the worst idea. You will find every corner of the language that needs ironing out.
@ThePhD yes:
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A: Serialization into static data using Boost and IOStreams

Evgeny Panasyuk unsigned char* my_obj = { 10, 48, 48, 30, 20 ... } It is better to use: unsigned char my_obj[] = { 10, 48, 48, 30, 20 ... } So you will have array, which knows it's size, not just pointer to begin. Also, add const if you don't plan to modify it. My question is: is there some easy wa...

I already have a really long list of things that need ironing out.
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@not-sehe Zwijg. :<
21:47
are my clothes on that list?
user142019
I'm a cunt pirate. I hijack cunts.
@mariusbancila Lol that should be filed under "breaking changes" then /cc @JamesMcNellis
^ MSVC teams may be understaffed, but they sure as hell have their spirits going
21:50
?
understaffed?
16 mins ago, by DeadMG
I really, really need more testing and tests in general, but I have no idea how the fuck.
^ there's one big bullet on the list
tests are hard
I spend a lot of time writing tests and they are fucking hard
Ell
Ell
@DeadMG can you output an ast?
you could do that and compare to what it should be
@not-TonyTheLion yeah, it's not like MSVC is ahead of the troops, right
21:51
also, programming any large code base is hard
Ell
Ell
Programming any code base is hard
(for me)
@DeadMG for the twitter challenged:
std::cin no longer overheats the CPU when you hold down spacebar (xkcd#1172). - Stephan T. Lavavej http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2013/06/28/c-11-14-stl-features-fixes-and-breaking-changes-in-vs-2013.aspx
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By the way, today was my last day at school. :)
@not-TonyTheLion I wouldn't project that Wide is a "large code base" yet.
Well, unless you count libclang (but that's cheating)
I think I beat myself up too much if I make mistakes or don't get something right the first time. I kind of expect myself to be proficient just about now.
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21:52
Celebrated it with a huge-ass kapsalon. :3
@rightfold For the season, I suppose?
orite
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@not-sehe Forever, I hope!
@not-sehe I'm talking about what I work on at work
@rightfold ew
21:52
sorry I'm on a rant
@rightfold Wut. Tell me more
@not-TonyTheLion ah
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@not-sehe Well, I hate school.
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And I'll have a job starting next monday!
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School pays like, -1700 euros per year.
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21:54
Job pays like, 1700 euros per month.
Yeah, but any specific reason to anticipate ((never-returns))?
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@not-sehe I could do BCompSci again but I don't see the benefit.
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And for now I can't think of another subject that fits my interests.
because he doesn't quite realize yet how an easy of a time he had at school and how the work world isn't all that easy either
and work isn't just about getting paid
@rightfold I'd do so. I can tell you, jobs are mostly just jobs. Of course, there's the rare opportunity, but in general, jobs are guaranteed to involve eye-blinders. (not that I should preach this sermon; I dropped out for work in '98)
lol
Jobs involve looking at ugly code
the days of writing beautiful code are over
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School involves looking at even uglier code.
@not-TonyTheLion which beautiful code? :| I write beautiful code in my job. Of course it's against the odds
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I liked my job.
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21:58
It was only a single summer but I liked it.
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I didn't like anything about school.
@not-sehe heh. The only thing I wrote that was nice was a lambda
one lambda
my coworkers aren't fans of lambda's
@EvgenyPanasyuk What amazes me, is that they somehow disguised that mic as a beer can, and it still took a while for me to notice that's why the sound spectrum was so distorted!
@not-TonyTheLion Well, C++11 lambdas aren't my definition of 'beautiful code'
@not-sehe :)
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Just wondering, are your bosses developers?
22:01
My manager used to be
@EvgenyPanasyuk seriously, I think there's no frequencies below 200Hz present there
until he became a manager
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lol
@rightfold They're all wusses Some of the time
class manager { /*What does this even do?? */ };
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22:02
class TonyManager
@not-TonyTheLion Oooh nearly hit a trigraph accident!
I'm unmanageble, I bitch and complain and fuss too much
@not-sehe so, you are looking to sound spectrum of every video?
@not-sehe oh yea. Dayumn
@EvgenyPanasyuk Listening, son. I don't do synæsthesia
:)
I should be going to bed. I'm in an impossible mood.
Down for a soft reboot, see you all :)
22:05
@not-sehe I used to play violin, but I don't notice such things :)
Hey. Nice to meet. I'm probably buying a violin. After having been without for quite some years.
@not-sehe lol
I'm terrible like that. I notice when an overtone doesn't 'add up' with audible ground frequencies, so I know when there's a subsonic ground frequency in a room...
This happened the other day. I had a lot of explaining to do :|
FTR 200Hz was wildly inaccurate. The cutoff is is likely more around 70-90Hz
@not-sehe I want to find freetime someday to try to play that one:
I tried once - but it requires some time to master it..
@EvgenyPanasyuk I want his tone! Igor Oistrakh is very nice too.
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22:10
Man.
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Motörhead is so damn great.
@EvgenyPanasyuk Not too sure about that piece. The piano part is just to 'dumb' for my taste. All the doubling. The gratuitous fillers. Well, I'll have to listen to more than the first 2 minutes :)
@not-sehe Ten years ago I played this one on my final exam:
I almost forgot notes, but when I start to play - fingers remember most of it.
@EvgenyPanasyuk Ah, it becomes quite intricate. At least to play it tastefully (around 5')
@not-sehe yeah
22:16
@EvgenyPanasyuk I played that. Not too intensively. I think I could reproduce it from auditive memory, but my fingers certainly won't remember.
@not-sehe I like it - it is not hard, but sounds good.
Last may I took my "loan" violin to a concert with my musical/pop choir - that was a first in ~10 years (since mine got burgled). It turned out I could still find my way around and we improvised a chorus on a nice little waltz.
@EvgenyPanasyuk As so often with Bach: indestructible music
@not-sehe yes, exactly
IOW: essential music, inevitable music. Which is weird because of all the perceived complexity. It's a delicious mix for a beta music lover
Nah. Not inevitable. More like necessary or with necessity.
Immuteability: The property of functional programmers that prevents them from shutting up about pure functional programming.
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22:20
lol
brilliant wordplay
@Abyx @rightfold should see that.
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I was the first one to star it, you silly Canadian.
Monad Nauseum: To complain endlessly that all abstractions in non-functional languages are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
@EvgenyPanasyuk Ah reached the more adventurous parts 8'+ (still depends heavily on the interpreter to make this music)
@rightfold Cranky little pony arent you. Did somebody ride you too hard? :P
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22:27
@Borgleader Yes @ScottW did.
Right in the feels
@rightfold I ain't Canadian.
user142019
LIES
He's québécois
Tabarnack.
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22:30
We're all living in America, so in the end, it doesn't even matter.
`Merica!
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At least, the united states thereof.
So apparently, our entire team here at work has computers that overheat like fuck.
Xeo
Xeo
@DeadMG I was thinking of Rammstein - Amerika
22:33
well your app must be super-stable then
One of my colleagues just had a hard shutdown because of overheating. So I ran a stress-test on 3 of our machines - every single one of them came within a few degrees of hardware shutdown... lol
overclock them until they barely boot and then run it
@Mysticial Stop holding the space bar.
Xeo
Xeo
@Mysticial ow
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@Xeo I was referring to that.
Ell
Ell
22:33
My ubuntu WiFi is going slow As molasses
> ubuntu
Ell
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For no apparent reason
problem identified
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@Ell Wi-Fi*
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WiFi is non-existent.
22:34
@Xeo Yeah, getting a few threads stuck in an infinite loop seems to be almost enough to trigger a hard shutdown...
So we'll be talking to our manager when he gets back after vacation...
Xeo
Xeo
@rightfold So is "Wi-Fi", techically. It's a word that doesn't mean anything.
It's a tragic day for computer users everywhere.
@EtiennedeMartel lol
http://stackoverflow.com/a/17459049/583833
Did I miss anything? (these types of answers usually get downvotes for minute details)
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Keelhauled is a nice song.
22:40
@DeadMG lol. last time I checked you appeared incapable of running it?
@Ell lol linux
@Borgleader int newAr[] = new int[size]; - is this C#? Nah, syntax error too
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@not-sehe Puppy mantra: I can't use it, therefore it must suck.
Ell
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What's up with linux?
@not-sehe Nope thats me derping
22:41
@not-sehe No, it's Java.
@Ell It's the best OS alive! That's what's up.
@Mysticial Whatever you do, don't fix the software! Hardware resources are far cheaper. So is fire insurance
I wrote it like that because I wasn't sure, then I fixed in VS and forgot to change it in my answer
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Oh yeah. I remember that incredible fail that was puppy trying to install an os
@Borgleader Watch the downvotes pile up for a minute detail =p
@Borgleader you weren't... what.
A glaring detail
22:43
hrmm...what's the markdown for strikethrough?
@not-sehe I'm not fixing anything. It's clearly the desktops that are poorly designed. I don't expect that our own machines are gonna get fixed (since that'll require a new heatsink or something). But at least for all future machines, they should at least be QC'ed to handle infinite loops without shutting down.
@not-sehe I never ever use dynamic arrays -.-; I didn't remember how to allocate one
@MonadNewb Mmm? I don't follow. Of course it's not tragedy! He deserves to be celebrated. And he, frankly, deserves to pass away at a respectable age. So, au contraire: the past decades the industry has been blessed by Engelbart's contributions!
We* live here, best learn about it --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O37yJBFRrfg
*We applies to most^ people here
^most is based on my perception
@Borgleader not excuse - I don't remember when I used last one, but my spinal cord refused to compile that piece of code :P
22:45
@Mysticial Yeah. What's the fun in an infinite loop that is not infinite
@not-sehe Exactly :)
¬_¬ ergh... markdown
smackdown
close enough
just watch the video
@not-sehe okay, maybe "sad" would have been a more appropriate word than "tragic"
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22:47
If I have two threads reading and writing to a circular buffer st the same time, what's the worst that can happen?
@Ell depends, how smart are you being?
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Well. Its A sound data buffer, I thought maybe the worst would be getting old data? Or js there still opportunity to catastrophically fail?
well, if it is not properly thread safe, they may never see that data the other writes
@MonadNewb Granted
@thecoshman Needs another layer of disclaimers crusted on
@not-sehe indeed :P
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22:52
It won't be threadsafe. I want to know how horribly wrong it will go
I ought to get
Is it still called a singleton if there's only one immutable instance of the object?
2 mins ago, by thecoshman
well, if it is not properly thread safe, they may never see that data the other writes
Ell
Ell
*try it
@thecoshman And I thought the U.S. had complex laws...
@Mysticial no:
22:57
@MonadNewb phf, look through the guys other videos for the one about UK territory, best grab a cup of tea for it. It will blow your mind :P
@EvgenyPanasyuk wtf
@thecoshman I don't drink tea =p
@EvgenyPanasyuk thx
@MonadNewb (me neither)
@Mysticial though it is not popular meaning..
22:59
gezus...GQ has a five minute YouTube ad...wtf is up with that?

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