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12:00 PM
@Xeo But but
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh fuck.
 
Wait what did Pubby find?
 
We should have a lounge motto
 
12:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz o_0
 
@not-TonyTheLion We'd never get agreement on it.
 
There's apparently an actual one-instruction-set microcontroller that's commercially available. O_O
 
Never update LLVM.
sounds like a good motto
 
user784668
@not-TonyTheLion I always do.
 
@Insilico linky
@thecoshman the tablet I have to test won't boot
 
12:01 PM
@Insilico Eh?
 
Xeo
@Fanael Then you're actively working towards Wide's death.
Gratz
 
@not-TonyTheLion Welcome to the lounge, now fuck off.
 
I was looking for "sexy Bjarne Stroustrup" in google image, instead I found this:
 
Wide is a dying language
5
 
user784668
12:02 PM
@not-TonyTheLion My computer is running svn update; make in an endless loop.
 
@Insilico oh hey, it's maxim!
 
They call it a "RISC" microcontroller but it really is a OISC.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I can see the relation
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes u didnt answer my question ... when Java got everything why C++ is so special.. well i really love coding C++... i am working on a app which should run under 5 MB... it kind of frustrating .. of course u can't do that in Java... but what is so special comparing to Java..?
 
@not-TonyTheLion really? I am impressed
 
12:02 PM
@not-TonyTheLion not that it was alive in the first place
 
I'm a dying soul
 
@Navin Can.. you... not... use... fucking... dots... as.. fucking...... spaces..?
 
> The MAXQ instruction word is unique because there is only one instruction in the classical sense, the "MOVE" instruction.
 
12:03 PM
@Navin You can start with RAII.
 
Xeo
@Navin It's Java that is 'special'. The 'Special Olympics' kind of 'special'.
 
user784668
Oh fuck. Using C++ should be forbidden until somebody proves they understand pointers.
 
@Insilico The only uC I've used with more than one instruction set is ARM/thumb.
 
@MartinJames I actually want to get started with ARM stuff. Been programming with PICs and AVRs for a while now. Eventually I want to play around with FPGAs and/or CPLDs.
 
12:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz would you prefer some other punctuation?!"£$%^&*()_+{}[]-=<>,./|;:'@#~`¬¦€
I think I got them all
 
user784668
@MartinJames I've used a i386 uC. Two instructions sets too.
 
@Fanael When you type .get(), your editor should lock until a senior developer comes to your desk and unlocks it
 
@thecoshman You forgot about interrobang.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman €
 
Terrible, terrible question. Please don't ever write C++ code again. — not-Tony The Lion 12 secs ago
 
Xeo
12:04 PM
Ahahaha
 
@Xeo That's not punctuation...
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz there's an Emacs package to do that, you know.
 
@Fanael As an alternative, just don't use pointers in C++.
 
those are all I have on my keyboard (€ is via a script even)
 
@Fanael I betcha there's an Emacs package to brew coffee
 
12:05 PM
Not oneboxing that.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman µ
 
FUCKWIT
 
Should've kept my mouth shut with the Bjarne avatar suggestion.
 
@Fanael Heh - I don't usually consider 386+ as microcontrollers :)
 
2 messages moved to bin
Bye
 
12:05 PM
@not-TonyTheLion thatnks
 
Xeo
Fuuu
Too slow
 
I am crying now (from laughter)
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Ya. It even has a web browser built-in.
 
12:06 PM
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A: Vector.erase(Iterator) causes bad memory access

FredOverflowBeware, erasing elements one by one from a vector has quadratic complexity. STL to the rescue! #include <algorithm> #include <functional> videoObjects.erase( std::remove_if( std::bind2nd( std::mem_fun_ref(&videoObject::isInside), ofPoint(tcur.getX(), tcur.get...

lol, C++ sucked before lambdas
 
@Fanael ~VS has that too~
 
@Xeo that's more of a letter really...
 
Xeo
I'm just throwing special character at you
 
user784668
@thecoshman ☭
 
Xeo
ß
 
user784668
12:07 PM
@Xeo In what way is it special?
 
This is a comparison of the Java programming language with the C++ programming language. Design aims The differences between the C++ and Java programming languages can be traced to their heritage, as they have different design goals. * C++ was designed for systems and applications programming (a.k.a. infrastructure programming), extending the C programming language. To this procedural programming language designed for efficient execution, C++ has added support for statically typed object-oriented programming, exception handling, scoped resource management, generic programming and temp...
 
Xeo
@Fanael Not found on every keyboard layout
 
Where's that banana key on my keyboard?
 
@BartekBanachewicz dude if its bothering then stop reading my comment.
 
It's broke.
 
12:08 PM
@Insilico Just take real banana and smunch it over some key you almost never use. Voila, you now have a banana key.
 
@Navin I will if you stop writing bullshit, deal?
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz If only you stopped writing bullshit too.
 
@FredOverflow Needs two 'bread' keys on either side.
 
12:08 PM
🍌
@FredOverflow Wow, that works! Thanks!
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes compare Haskell _ = GT
 
@BartekBanachewicz then i should stop mentioning your name...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, so C++ is type unsafe.
 
@Fanael What if _ is also Haskell?
 
user784668
@FredOverflow compare Haskell Haskell = EQ above that
 
12:10 PM
@Navin and then it will be forgotten... damn, sounds like a fantasy curse
 
compare Haskell Haskell = EQ
compare Haskell _       = GT
 
@FredOverflow Then Haskell is greater than itself.
You can have objects with such property, c'mon.
 
Come on, not even NaN is greater than itself :)
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Ok, C++ and C# are type unsafe, while Java is type safe. I'm out, wikipedia (ok, technically, if you count UB... but you shouldn't, for fucks sake).
 
@Fanael @xeo ok ok, I get it, no normal keyboard has a key for every character
 
12:11 PM
Hm, would it be wise to compare floating point numbers with !(a != b) instead of a == b?
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow NaN's are snowflakes.
 
@FredOverflow nope.
 
@Fanael I prefer _ <= Haskell = True (because <= is also an mcd for Ord).
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes mcd?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why are you assigning True to the result of a comparison?
 
12:12 PM
@Griwes Breaks the laws of the Ord class though.
 
user784668
@FredOverflow definition of (<=)
 
@Xeo Minimal complete definition. A set of functions of a type class that must be defined for the class to be complete. The others are derived from them.
 
Xeo
Oh!
Nice
 
@ScottW sure
 
12:13 PM
For Ord you have either compare or <=.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Interesting. So just < doesn't work, huh
 
@Griwes Why is Java type-safe, but C# is not?
 
user784668
Haskell is not type-safe because unsafeCoerce.
 
"hieß" is past tense of "heißt"
 
@ScottW Google translate says "Shortly after, it was the same transmitter, Kandil said to have even submitted his resignation". Can't help you with much else.
 
12:14 PM
@Xeo No. That would be enough to define a SWO, but Ord is for total orders.
 
@ScottW Does that answer all questions?
 
Xeo
@ScottW "Shortly after that, the same channel announced that Kandil supposedly submitted his resignation himself"
 
"hieß es im selben Sender" -> "it was mentioned on the same channel"
"Es heißt, <some statement>" means "somebody said <some statement>".
 
@Griwes Erm, if the languages doe not make an effort to prevent type errors (i.e. a certain category of UB), it's type safety isn't great.
 
@BartekBanachewicz thank you and i am not here to fight and argue ... if you want well do it on MSN skype, etc not here... ok ... Take care.. (as u can see ...... are still there)
 
12:17 PM
German is weird sometimes. For example, "Es gibt XXX" means "XXX exists", not "It gives XXX" :)
Well, now you know :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How would the std::boolean handler dispatch even work? OP’s code uses overloading for static dispatch, but the result of the operation is certainly dynamic, isn’t it? I’m just asking because nobody in the thread mentions this.
 
@ScottW Maybe a more direct, but worse translation for "Es heißt" would be "Word on the street is" :)
 
@KonradRudolph Hmm, lol, you are right. I guess everyone just dismissed the whole thing as pure madness.
 
user784668
Oh, enum Bool { True, False, FileNotFound }; proposal.
 
@FredOverflow scribbles notes
 
12:19 PM
@FredOverflow more like "it is said"
 
For the paranoid: "they say".
 
By the way, don't confuse "es heißt" with "das heißt", abbreviated with "d.h." :)
"d.h." means "i.e."
For example, "Javas Typsystem saugt Eselsbälle, d.h. es ist nicht zu gebrauchen" means "Java's type system sucks donkey balls, i.e. it is unusable".
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@FredOverflow By the way, don't confuse "es heißt" with "das heißt", abbreviated with "d.h.", i.e., "i.e."
 
you should be proud
 
> very good
 
12:23 PM
:P
 
> clean
> PHP
 
hahahahaha
 
One of those things don't belong.
 
> I have a PHP in clean coding!
 
@FredOverflow I like how in Portuguese "i.e." can stand for both "id est" and for its translation, "isto é".
 
12:24 PM
neat
 
user784668
I can write very good, clean PHP too.
 
@FredOverflow That reminds me of Java's unbelievably clunky implementation of generics.
 
Hello.
 
user784668
An example:
 
@Rapptz Hi!
 
12:25 PM
@Insilico Subtyping undecidable in Java? We don't know...
 
@ScottW You're up early!
 
user142019
PHP is nice.
 
@PeterT Yeah, but that sounds too biblic for me.
 
@rightfold you know no one is gonna fall for that
 
@ScottW I just laugh from the outside. I know very little PHP.
 
user142019
12:29 PM
If you know all the quirks it's doable.
 
user142019
Still annoying though.
 
@BartekBanachewicz With him you never know.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 Zoidberg starts a new project in PHP and finishes it
 
@rightfold with out the pain side of things, pain is quite painless ¬_¬
 
user142019
You know, I've been considering using PHP.
 
12:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz s/finishes/abandons/
 
@BartekBanachewicz Zoidberg finishes projects?
 
@rightfold yes, we know. Now take the pills already.
 
user142019
@ScottW 5.5 because generators.
 
user142019
Generators are great for getting shit out of databases.
 
It'd be nice if std-asylum's tweets included a link to the forum post. I want to witness the insanity at the source.
 
user142019
12:32 PM
Let's try and get PHP to work with Nginx.
 
@rightfold you sound like ThePhd
stahp.
 
user142019
Why?
 
because he also insists on doing dumb shit for no reason.
 
user142019
Haha.
 
user142019
@ScottW In old days, some_function()[42] was a syntax error. :D
 
user142019
12:34 PM
You had to assign the result to a variable first.
 
user142019
Oh right. :v
 
user784668
@ScottW 5.2 is long EOL
 
user142019
PHP is fun. Like JavaScript.
 
for weird definitions of fun.
 
@Insilico Yeah, but it's hard enough to cram the insanity into 140 characters :/
 
user142019
12:36 PM
lol
 
user142019
php.net/downloads.php doesn't load.
 
@rightfold thank goodness
 
user142019
:(
 
@rightfold does so
 
I can probably Google the quotes with site:forums.google.com or something.
 
12:36 PM
@rightfold it doesn't load because php
 
user142019
It loads!
 
user142019
Finally, PHP has finally!
 
user784668
@rightfold PHP has RAII.
 
user142019
Seriously?
 
user784668
@rightfold Yes.
 
12:38 PM
 
user142019
@Fanael Nice!
 
user142019
Well, it has reference counting.
 
user142019
So it's more like… std::shared_ptr.
 
user784668
@rightfold just bear in mind the destructor goes off when the reference count reaches zero and not just when leaving a block
 
user142019
12:39 PM
@Fanael How does it deal with cycles?
 
I need a list of canonical Imgur links or something to PNGs I might use as a response to certain messages.
 
user784668
@rightfold It's PHP, so I guess it doesn't.
 
> I thought UTF8 does support characters like the french accents, but obviously it doesn't!
 
user142019
Haha. Can I have a weak reference?
 
@jalf "It would take an entry-level game developer 0.4 years to create this game." ? way too low okey it scales nicely
 
user784668
 
> It would take an entry-level game developer 3402 years to create this game.
> $170,100,000
lol
 
ahaha
> "The first 90 percent of the code accounts for the first 90 percent of the development time. The remaining 10 percent of the code accounts for the other 90 percent of the development time."
That's a great quote
 
@jalf haha, "single mechanic" can't be changed.
 
at a scale from 0 to 10, this ^ is related by NaN
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes it can if you use your browser's HTML inspection
 
12:43 PM
@jalf only 3.4 thousand years to develop everything?! I better get started then
 
user784668
0
Q: Do functions have access to variables in the immediate outer scope without parameter input to the function in C++?

Stephen JacobDo functions have access to variables in the immediate outerscope without parameter input to the function in C++? ========= Here is a code I am working on #include... void ReadGrid(); void SaveGrid(); int main(){ ReadGrid(); } void ReadGrid() { int m=1; int n[]={1,2,3}; vector<int> o(3,10); ...

 
user784668
Dynamic scope? Not in my C++!
 
user142019
Okay, fuck it.
 
user142019
~/Downloads [ rm -rf php-5.5.0/                                       ] 2:44 pm
 
user142019
Best thing I've done today.
 
user784668
12:45 PM
Best thing I've done today is fixing a broken filesystem.
 
user142019
I'm going to write a web app in Objective-C.
 
s/o w/o fail to w/
 
hehehe
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's implicit
 
Hmm, it appears some headers are gone.
WTF
 
@ScottW he will re-engineer HTTP obviously
 
user784668
12:49 PM
Own universe.
 
JBL
@ScottW Who isn't ?
 
JBL
Lol
 
@JBL Robots aren't!
 
JBL
@ScottW PHP coders don't dream big enough
 
user784668
12:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes hahahahahahaahah stop lying
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Suuuuuuuuuure.
 
JBL
@R.MartinhoFernandes Somewhere, someone is working on an AI carefully designed to accomplish this.
 
user784668
Is there a std::map-like class implemented using a vector in boost?
 
JBL
user image
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Huhu
 
12:52 PM
ahahaha
 
wtf is flat_map?
 
Does anyone know how to alter the colors of directories in the mac terminal?
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz std::map, but implemented using a sorted vector
 
1 min ago, by Fanael
Is there a std::map-like class implemented using a vector in boost?
 
so it lies in contiguous memory block
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can read.
 
12:55 PM
Can anyone look at my question? I'll be adding a bounty in ~4 hours. stackoverflow.com/questions/17409964/…
 
> profiled the system to the "smallest" millisecond.
 
@TheBlueCat blergh C.
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes fuck it, takes years to compile
 

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