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9:02 PM
@Nican That's an issue of specific-game compatibility, not general performance.
 
user142019
Stack Overflow is broken.
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user142019
Can't view questions.
 
this I have just observed for myself
 
looks like all questions have been answered
guess I'll have to find something else to do with my life
 
cry?
 
9:09 PM
This is heavier then quitting smoking
 
@rightfold You mean fixed.
 
user142019
:D
 
I could be a septic tank cleaner. wouldn't be much different
 
That's pretty much what software maintenance is.
 
Cat seems to be in a cynical mood today.
 
9:13 PM
yup. spend all day dealing with other people shit
 
@ScottW You got the horse, that's not fair!
I got a gay-looking dude.
 
they should have someone bending over in front of it
 
Xeo
 
@CaptainObvlious Why?
 
Xeo
Ahaha, NERF gun :D
We also got some at work
 
9:14 PM
@StackedCrooked just so you now how painfully fucked someone is about to become
 
Has anybody tried one of these? amazon.com/Mega-Fliers-Great-Inflateable-Flying/dp/B005WZU1R0/… ? How do you control the height?
 
would be nice if they showed an image of the offending code
 
@Mikhail Good question.
@Mikhail #1 most helpful review is a bad review about a counterfeit item.
lol
 
So, is a question: "my program is slow...oh, optimizations? No I didn't think of turning those on, look at that!" still too localized? That close reason is removed and I always closed those as too localized.
 
9:18 PM
if (signUp == false)
 
Forgetting to turn on optimizations isn't very localized. I see that about 5 times every day on SO. :P
 
@Mikhail that little box on the bottom has a propeller in it
 
:cripes:
@Mysticial And at least one ~~benchmark~~
 
Anybody have any RC balloons to recommend for a 5 story atrium?
 
user142019
@ScottW A unicorn!
 
user142019
9:19 PM
UniKORN!
 
WHERES MY UNIKORN?
 
YAY, questions are working again for me
 
@CatPlusPlus Haha, top of the weekly newsletter today: A ~~purformance~~ question with ~~benchmarks~~. 200+ upvotes
 
Ell
Why are chilis spicy?
 
Because they hate you.
Also capsaicin.
 
9:23 PM
they hate you by means of capsaicin
 
user142019
Whatever fuck Xamarin.
 
user142019
Have to pay to build from the fucking command-line.
 
user142019
And not ten or twenty dollars, no. A thousand bucks per year.
 
@Mysticial Arg. : (
 
user142019
Objective-C++ > Xamarin.
 
user142019
With some categories that make dealing with arrays and shit more bearable similar to LINQ.
 
That sound.
 
@GManNickG I bet if someone answered, "You forgot to turn on optimizations. That's why you are getting your results." to every single performance question, it would probably end up with a net positive rep. :)
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked That's the most horrible music I have ever heard in my entire life.
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus but I mean, why have they evolved like such?
 
user142019
9:28 PM
Even Justin Bieber is better than that.
 
@rightfold That's the good thing about it.
Het is als een slijpmachine.
 
@ScottW I'd still pay.
They deserve to be paid. Fuck Java/Obj-C.
 
What is Xamarin?
 
Company created by Mono developers.
 
user142019
Overpriced junk.
 
9:32 PM
What do they sell...?
 
.NET environment for Android/iOS.
 
@rightfold huh/ build what?!
 
Sounds shitty.
 
user142019
@not-sehe An iOS application written in C#.
 
user142019
> error MT9008: Building from the command-line requires a Business license.
 
9:33 PM
MonoTouch
@rightfold that's... interesting
 
user142019
Basically the only reason I want to use C# is LINQ but I figured I can actually use Haskell on iOS.
 
Xamarin is not worthy of your hates
 
Unity has no build automation either in standard license.
 
Good thing I never use Unity.
 
user142019
I used Haskell in OS X application but I wonder how well ARM support works.
 
9:35 PM
Unity is okay.
 
Unity is okay, but I hate the fact that I need a business license to use GL.
I mean... ... really?
 
user142019
Hmm, I could also use Nu which is functional.
 
@ThePhD ?
 
@CatPlusPlus The GL class (openGL exposure) from inside Unity is locked for people who pick up Unity on non-pro/non-business licenses.
 
Ell
@ThePhD how do they lock it?
 
9:38 PM
And what do you need that for?
 
Unless the policy changed since 5 months ago.
@CatPlusPlus Unity does not gracefully handle 2d drawing of any kind.
 
Neither does OpenGL.
 
I can build my own classes from openGL easily.
At least, i could, if I had a business license. :3c
 
all current graphics APIs don't contain any particular 2D drawing stuff, afaik.
 
Ell
but they don't make it difficult
 
9:40 PM
arguably true
 
Ell
I imagine having to un-project a 3d shape is irritating
 
that really depends on the shape and API
 
They make it difficult by being not-2D-oriented.
 
Ell
(I have no experience, this is just speculation from me)
 
presenting a fullscreen quad with a texture is relatively simple
and since projection is done in a shader, if you want to work with unprojected co-ordinates then just don't project.
 
Xeo
9:41 PM
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A: Why is this c++11 code incorrect?

Richard Smith Is this code really incorrect or are the compilers wrong? Well, neither. The standard has a defect -- it says both that A is considered complete while parsing the initializer for B::i, and that B::B() (which uses the initializer for B::i) can be used within the definition of A. That's clearl...

Yay for Richard
 
Ell
@DeadMG well, can you do this in unity?
Can you write glsl in unity?
 
the fuck should I know?
I don't know or care about Unity.
 
Ell
Nor I :P
 
all I'm saying is that given a 3D API, it's really not difficult to write 2D on top of it if you have the most basic control
 
I'm getting more and more annoyed with engines as time passes.
 
9:43 PM
even if it required 3D projection matrices, you could just set them all to identity.
 
They even make things like storing function pointers or delegates as a real hassle.
Layers and layers of visible and invisible boilerplate.
 
yup
they're just like "frameworks" for .NET and Java
they hide away all the stuff you want to control
 
.NET's delegates are elegant, simple, and do exactly what I want them to, especially in C#.
I can't say the same for Java.
 
You're just low-level freaks.
 
9:45 PM
I'm not a low-level freak. I'm a "what the holy shit am I even reading jesus christ make it stop" freak.
In either case, what I want to do is write what is generally accepted C++ or C# code and have whatever framework or engine I'm using capable of working with that.
I should not have to write engine-specific or framework-specific boilerplate to get my stuff going.
I'm pretty sure this si one of Robot's tenets.
 
There are good frameworks, there are old frameworks, there are bad frameworks.
 
"If you don't play nice with the standard library, I will hate you."
Something like that.
 
I personally have never seen a good framework
 
Ell
There are old frameworks, there are bad frameworks.
 
Generally not a problem in .NET or whatever.
 
9:49 PM
hello
 
It's C++ ecosystem that's completely fucked up.
 
.NET's library is fantastic. And most libs for .NET aren't bad. It's C++ that's this massive ugly clusterfuck.
 
nobody's saying that C++ does not suck, because it does.
 
I just don't get it. Why make TArray<T> when you can just std::vector?
 
Well then, stop using C++. Low-level freak.
 
9:50 PM
lol no
 
Ell
c++ RAII is sweet
 
C++ has a lot of sweet things.
 
I'm less concerned about RAII
more concerned about templates.
 
@CatPlusPlus You're a low-level freak too, aren't you? You use Haskell.
 
Then everyone sticks their dick in the cake and its not worth eating anymore.
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9:50 PM
Not enough to counterbalance every crappy thing.
 
even my parser uses templates more powerful than generics are in C#
 
@ThePhD damn ...
 
Ell
RAII + templates (but they could be done better) is what makes c++ so attractive imho
 
I generally don't miss C++ templates. I certainly don't miss C++ template build times.
 
Ell
that and access to like, all the libraries in the world
 
9:51 PM
q__q templates and build time.
But it's not really template's fault.
It's moreso C++'s shitty compilation model's fault.
Fuck that shit in the mouth.
 
I agree.
nobody would give a shit about the cost of instantiating vector<int> if you didn't have to do it ten thousand times or more
but I have Wide for that.
by the way, I'm still trying to fix Wide.
 
Which is what makes generics in C# so nice. Sure it fucks you in that you can't take advantage of that T actually is without forcing a runtime cast,
 
ThePhD killed Wide.
 
I didn't kill it!
It wasn't my goddamn fault. D:
 
@ThePhD What runtime cast?
 
9:53 PM
First scroll attempt sort of worked...
 
@CatPlusPlus Inside of the generic class, I mean. Unless you apply constraints (impossible in a fully generic class like List<T>), you can't make any assumptions about T except that its an "object".
 
Unfortunately, the rate of acceleration changes.
 
I like explicit constraints.
 
@ThePhD LOL. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, but have a +1 anyway.
 
You're supposed to explicitly constrain C++ templates, too.
Except the compiler won't stop you from writing shitty code that breaks when someone looks at it funny.
 
9:56 PM
Nice way of phrasing
 
Xeo
I want concept_maps... :<
 
I want frikandel speciaal.
 
q_q these compiiile tiiiiiimes.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked That'd also be sweet.
 
After all, the only valid a -> a function is id. :v:
 
Xeo
9:58 PM
@CatPlusPlus Huh?
 
That's re: explicit constraints.
 
Xeo
Yeah, but why would id be the only valid a -> a function?
 
@DeadMG I'll pull it soon and try to build... you should commit everything you have, even if its broken.
 

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