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12:00 PM
I don't see how that's the only good recommendation.
 
that would imply that I know or care about who Ayreon, DT or PT are.
or about the (as far as I can tell pretty arbitrary and meaningless) genre shit
 
"Oh hey, we're friends and I guess you will like this band that makes nice music"
 
which I don't
 
The great thing is that you don't have to.
You just have to look at tags.
To have a preview of what the band might sound like
 
why would I?
 
12:01 PM
because it's faster.
 
@ScottW Bartok has written music
 
you can Google bands with tags as easily as I can.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ugh.
How arbitrary. What about listening to a song to get a preview of what the band actually sounds like?
@ScottW Well played.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there are millions of bands. You can't listen to them all.
 
yeah, I find tags and genres to be massively ineffective
 
12:02 PM
@DeadMG your search tools are based on them
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't even know how that furthers your argument.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nobody suggested that. But you could start with ones that, say, your friends recommend.
@BartekBanachewicz What search tools? I don't search for music.
 
1 min ago, by DeadMG
you can Google bands with tags as easily as I can.
Anyway "I don't search for music." is kinda nuff.
 
that's only me saying that there's no reason for me to participate on your behalf
I don't participate at all.
 
I don't know what I am talking about therefore listen to me.
 
12:03 PM
I listen to and enjoy music like everyone else.
 
this is getting out of hand
 
that's enough
you don't need a pedigree to have an opinion about music
simple fact is, I succeeded in finding music I like and plenty of it
 
@DeadMG sure. But I can recommend something with a higher rate of success if I know what you listen to.
@DeadMG opinions and tags/genres are two different things
 
Friends recommend stuff to me with good rates of success because they know me.
 
I am not saying the music you listen to is bad.
 
12:04 PM
you probably could, but you'd have a much better shot if you actually knew what the recommended band sounded like instead of the arbitrary labels they use
 
@DeadMG sure, but tags allow you to narrow down the search and allow you to listen to more focused samples
that way you can hear out more and the possibility of finding something that you will really, really like is much higher
 
I'm not gonna get music from a band you recommend if you are not an existing fan of them
and also
 
Anyway.
14 mins ago, by not-sehe
@BartekBanachewicz they serve to mutually confirm a community and it's members, and vice versa, recursively :)
 
if I want to search by tags, I can do that myself and don't need to ask you for recommendations
 
12:07 PM
ah music recommendations... listen to Vienna Teng My Medea... recomended by STL :)
 
sehe and Scott nailed it.
 
who cares?
 
"so the tags don't hold up well in many cases" but they hold very good in vast majority of cases
 
@BartekBanachewicz Only if you expect very broad definitions of genres.
 
when you can take two bands from one tag, and find them similar, the tag works
 
12:08 PM
but then what was the point?
 
And such broad definitions go against your perceived utility.
 
Note: I don't think that having a community-serving tag-mechanism is useless. It's just useless if you really want search for new music that might surprise you
 
what's the point of Band B if I already have Band A?
and they are similar?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not really. Progressive metal is something that I'd be surprised to find something completely different tagged as such.
 
searching for music is hard
 
12:09 PM
similar != same
 
@DeadMG more variations around the same topic
 
I don't need more variations around the same topic.
 
cool. then why are you even in this discussion?
 
Woof!
because he's puppy, and he needs to have his say in just about everything
 
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe, but good luck with "alternative" or "indie". Those classifications are often not based on sound at all, but on external characteristics.
15 mins ago, by Scott W
@BartekBanachewicz or help keep people closed-minded?
 
12:10 PM
@Bartek don't you see he doesn't want to get chained down by a world of tags
 
because I felt that you were acting as if people like me did not exist and our needs for music recommendation were irrelevant.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes true. Some tags are more vague than the others
 
and I felt compelled to point out to you that you were wrong.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen if anything, it's you chaining down yourself
 
@DeadMG you never miss an opportunity for that? Do you?
 
12:11 PM
not often
 
@Bartek he makes his own rules
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't really see how a mood for a particular music and wanting to get more of it is close-minded
 
19 mins ago, by not-sehe
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think maybe the puppy might feel his monopoly is being violated...
Called it!
 
@DeadMG haha
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, you started by being surprised that LP was tagged as "alternative". I wouldn't find it surprising at all, because "alternative" is like that.
 
12:11 PM
WHY DO WE HAVE A C LIBRARY?!
 
@AaronKyleKilleen well then if you feel constrained by a few words under the album you are listening to, I suspect several other problems
 
@jalf because its a language that is still commonly used.
 
@Bartek no I actually hire people to chain me down
 
@jalf I agree. Libraries should have books from authors whose last name starts with other letters too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just seem to have a narrower view of that tag, but I agree it's overused.
 
12:12 PM
@not-TonyTheLion I don't mean "why do we depend on a C lib written by others"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mine is tagged as "Rock", "Nu-Metal", "Blues", "Alternative", and "Metal"
 
@AaronKyleKilleen lol
 
I mean "why is one of our own libs written in C, and not C++?"
 
because someone liked C over C++?
 
@not-TonyTheLion Screw that guy
 
12:13 PM
@not-TonyTheLion DASFASF
 
How would we know? Probably because the code was stolen
 
@jalf Maybe you can.
 
@jalf haha
 
I am going for a launch
 
Good idea
 
12:13 PM
ooooh, lunch!
 
@BartekBanachewicz where to? the moon? :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz It keeps you inside the same bubble of awareness. I'm not saying it's inherently bad (though the words Scott used kinda make it seem so), but you seem to exhibit that behaviour.
I believe the reddit term for that is "circlejerk".
 
Bartek and Lightness seem to share a character trait there
Maybe I should not be speaking my mind quite so freely
 
Also, writing "you seem to exhibit that behaviour" makes me feel like some villain taking notes on some weird social experiment.
 
@not-sehe You should.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
12:17 PM
I tag my music "soundtrack" and "songs" as genre because my music player sucks at filtering file locations, and don't have much use for genres :p
 
@melak47 I wish I could go to the moon, less programming there.
 
I never used genre filtering
 
I only separate out classical from everything else
well classical in a vague sense
 
@not-TonyTheLion I think going there involves quite a bit of programming :)
 
I'm going to find a job as a garbage collector
Won't be much different to this
both deal with garbage
<3
 
12:18 PM
Gotta love probability statistic
 
@AaronKyleKilleen I don't even. There's little difference, after all
 
@not-sehe My music library genre tags are a mess. The only reliable tags I have are "Soundtrack" (which is actually meta, and says nothing about the sound), some instrument-based tags, and "Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy".
 
@not-sehe well there are very long classical pieces that you don't want to randomly come up in a playlist
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes rofl
 
12:20 PM
> Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy
lol
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Oh, well, I don't play music randomly. Problem solved!
 
@ScottW sucks.
 
@not-TonyTheLion Well, that's how it came out of the rip. Not gonna change it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha
 
^ from here.
 
12:21 PM
I like some of Korn's tracks
 
@ScottW hey calm your tits, I was kidding: it's beautiful. Also I'm 21, not exactly a teen, am I?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really what I listen to.
 
;)
 
@ScottW with @rightfold perhaps?
@ScottW It seems you did a lot when you were 14?
were some kind of wizzkid?
 
12:23 PM
Horses are pretty funny animals
 
I love horses
 
Yeah, I've never thought they would have come to Minecraft though
 
Meh, horses.
Horse meat is fine, but horses are just meh.
 
@ScottW thanks. listurningnow on my lowly smartphone
 
12:25 PM
do smart phones have smart pointers?
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Horse meat? I thought it was dog food
I guess they do that in France, but then again there are lots of things they do in France that I don't understand
like the 25 hour work week for example
 
@not-TonyTheLion I don't know. I don't point at it. But then, I never catch someone dumb pointing at it either
 
@not-sehe why not?
 
@BartekBanachewicz That said, I like PT, so maybe I should check the other two.
 
12:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ayreon's Human Equation is the best place to start with it. (And other Arjen Lucassen projects in general)
 
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@BartekBanachewicz I dunno. Perhaps things could be taken the wrong way. It's usually hard to convey what one has in mind. Debiting broad statements involving individuals is prone to offend. That's not intended. It's just me being a smartass and observing random things :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dammit. not available on mobile.
 
JBL
Now that's a good rofltoshop.
 
mornin and what a start lol
 
@not-sehe oh come on, you know both me and Tomalak are 9 years old.
 
12:30 PM
@not-sehe That's a thing?
 
@melak47 ahahahahah :) <3
I'm stealing that.
 
to put it on your CV?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, it's a first for me too
 
@melak47 FB
 
12:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz AAMOF, no
 
What kind of bullshit is that.
 
@ScottW <3
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes commercials
 
@BartekBanachewicz what?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :cheese:
 
12:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes They don't want my sould to be healed by cosmic sounds. It's a public safety risk while driving :/
 
@BartekBanachewicz How's that? I still get ads on mobile normally.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes weird then.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I deliberately go out of my way to avoid entrapment inside the bubble of awareness. My musical exploration and general open-mindedness is fairly extreme. Why do you think otherwise?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why do you think I think so?
 
@ScottW chill out, pluggin' my headphones
 
12:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, no, sehe brought me into it
If anything, I have problems committing to opinions because I'm too open-minded about being wrong ;)
However, I do not display this when it comes to OCD pet hates such as "STL" - perhaps that's why
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think he meant something tad else.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What does "something tad else" mean?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit mystery
 
something a little bit different
 
> OCD pet hates
lol
 
12:34 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you hate STL? don't let @ThePhD hear that :o
 
Sigh I'm working my butt off during a week full of release deadlines, and someone else on the team spent a portion of the day adding "quips" to Bugzilla
@melak47 ThePhD likes "STL"?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I hear they are lovers pals now
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit please don't go any further
 
@AaronKyleKilleen no it doesn't ;P
@melak47 I see!
@BartekBanachewicz I can't help it!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I hear he ran out of washed pants.
 
12:35 PM
2 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Well, apart from ThePhd going shitstorm again, I haven't missed anything, it seems.
@ScottW no, the STL guy
 
@BartekBanachewicz He knows. He's trying to get Lightness wound up. If you are Lightness and are reading this message, please ignore the previous sentence.
 
that's too obvious
 
STandard Library
 
@ScottW the energy is nice. I'd call this jazz. I like how it probably designed the noise at the beginning (at first I thought they desparately needed a better studio)
 
12:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz STephan Lavavej
 
sorry that wasn't funny
 
OMG meta quote
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't request to ignore any message!
 
@ScottW I'm not so sure about the song build up/discipline. But who cares. For now, it has my attention
 
Shut The fuck up Losers
@R.MartinhoFernandes oops
 
12:38 PM
Why is it that every time I pay special attention to be particular accurate with my words, someone messes it up :'(
Fuck you Universe.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes which message?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In what order shall I evaluate that requirement? That is, which of the following two sentences shall I ignore? "He knows" "He's trying to get Lightness wound up"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Having a good day I see? :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think either of those would work, though with varying degrees of paranoia.
 
what do you guys think of life hack videos on the internet?
 
12:39 PM
woopsie
I think I've just fried a Nexus 4
 
Is it tasty?
 
How'd you do that?
 
What sauce are you using?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz oO
 
12:40 PM
i didn't lick it
 
Why did you fry it then?
 
@not-TonyTheLion run a bunch of tests on it
 
it apparently tends to overheat
 
@BartekBanachewicz That is normal. It happens when you fry potatoes as well.
 
12:41 PM
oooh, wait, maybe it's not that dead
 
Then keep the oil boiling.
 
phew.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am roughly at 60% of the execution plan
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh you
 
¬_¬ ergh... github is acting the twat
 
It's nearly executed.
 
12:42 PM
@not-TonyTheLion Me giving cooking advice. What has the world come to.
@thecoshman Don't tell me there's a TwatML now.
 
@not-TonyTheLion :D
 
@thecoshman move zig! for great justice
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Twatdown®
 
Hmm, someone cloned ogonek. Are any of you "yggchan" on GitHub?
 
12:44 PM
so do you guys think Zimmerman will walk?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I noticed the last commit was feb 23rd
 
@not-sehe Which branch?
 
@not-sehe o_0
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "default" ?
 
Been working on iterators-must-go.
 
12:45 PM
Cool.
The screen now shows a skinned cube
I've never seen a skinned cube before, at least not like that
 
Are you a taxidermist?
 
the robot is on a roll
 
I am just sitting here looking at the progress bar, I did nothing to the poor cube.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, very dirty trick to write one line to be the first answer and incrementally keep updating it. With 82k rep, why are you playing dirty to get more? — Shahbaz 12 mins ago
oops
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit dat butthurt
 
12:48 PM
I got caught
 
it's worth mentioning his answer has only 1 upvote
 
by a butthurt Indian Italian
 
user142019
Indialian.
 
user142019
By the way, the test was easy.
 
Since the question just came up, and I cannot find an answer on SO, is there a good introduction into C++11 for C programmers (apart from TC++PL)?
 
12:49 PM
@rightfold Are you suggesting that Indian people look like aliens? You fucking racist
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@thecoshman Getting unicorns here too.
 
user142019
There was a question on the exam: "What is the advantage of using an IDE?"
I answered: "There is none. Use Vim."
 
user142019
:D
 
@rightfold =)
good boy
 
@KonradRudolph inb4 The Book List. C programmers should be looked at as people new to programming
 
JBL
12:50 PM
@rightfold Meh, what's sort of exam is that ?
 
@KonradRudolph You want book-sized? C++ Primer the fifth, I heard (doesn't assume C, but should work for everyone)
 
@ScottW You just had to didn't you
 
user142019
@JBL One about Java, Android and Git.
 
user142019
Irrelevantness is routine here.
 
JBL
I can see that...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ideally a tutorial but that’s probably too much to ask. TC++PL is probably a pretty good match, actually – and otherwise of course
 
@rightfold brave talk - I bet you added something about the "perceived benefits" too
 
Anyway, thanks for the suggestions
 
@not-sehe Meh, if he did, he's a wuss.
 
user142019
@not-sehe TME for an answer that's "wrong" anyway.
 
12:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes IMHO when learning C++, forget about C
 
@rightfold so, akin to the rectal exam /cc @not-TonyTheLion
@R.MartinhoFernandes Precisely
 
user142019
It's a completely subjective answer.
 
I don't care about rectal exams
 
@rightfold not really
 
user142019
12:53 PM
Subjective answers shouldn't be on these kinds of exams.
 
@not-TonyTheLion the person standing behind ya does
 
@not-TonyTheLion I dunno. Never tried
 
user142019
Also, advantage over what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, but I could envision some material that explicitly works to make you forget about it (i.e. kindly touches on what you need to do and think differently).
 
@rightfold should be called "benefits", agree
 
12:53 PM
ITT rectal exams
 
JBL
@rightfold Well, implicitely "advantages over not-using-an-IDE".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes seems to be ok again now
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so next to saying "that is good", it should say "that's how you did that in C and it sucks"?
 
corporate benefits
 
@BartekBanachewicz I was thinking more like "so where you would do X in C, you can do better with Y" and so on.
@thecoshman Nah, still fluctuating between actual pages and unicorns.
 
12:57 PM
1
A: In C++ What is meant by char* t and char *t

HeatherThere is no difference for compiler.

fuck me really?
REALLY?
 
JBL
Apparently.
 
who on earth upvoted that
 
@BartekBanachewicz It would also gloss over most of the syntax, for example.
 
it's a goddamn dupe of dupes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm...
 
12:58 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes The thing is people who know C usually make false assumption they "know" a bit of C++
 
@BartekBanachewicz weak spots for eyeliner and facebook pics
 
Xeo
> So, question: how to decrease template deep instantination?
Should I post the log N method, or close as a dupe of a question about it?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, and this ideal material I envisioned would work expressly against that notion, making you clearly aware of the differences.
 
okey I've found a dupe
 
@Xeo asking is answering it
 
12:59 PM
> location Ponyville
 

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