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14:00
I have my badge, but that's it
@R.MartinhoFernandes What does that mean?
it'll do
it can come to my Gewgles interview tomorrow
@FredOverflow T-shirts, stickers, pins, etc. The kind of crap you usually get at conferences.
@DeadMG Good luck with that!
14:01
thanks
@R.MartinhoFernandes I took a branded pen.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never went to a conference :( But I once measured my circumference!
but it was branded to the venue, not this specific meeting
lol
@FredOverflow Were you fat?
@FredOverflow Did you need a double?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have never been fat my entire life.
14:02
I left my keys at home Q_Q
@R.MartinhoFernandes keys to what
@BartekBanachewicz Home.
Among other things, but irrelevant.
then how did you lock the door?
@R.MartinhoFernandes how on earth can you leave keys to home at home? o_o
@JerryCoffin what does that prove? It doesn't guarantee that the function is deterministic. Maybe it'll fail the next time you run it. ;)
14:03
@BartekBanachewicz He left the key to his heart in the Lounge, and we found it!
@BartekBanachewicz Easy. Put the keys inside the house and get out?
"Put the keys inside the house"
didn't you lock the door?
Sure, if we assume that "this function is pure, I only need to test each input once", then we can prove that it is correct. But then you haven't proven the absence of bugs. :)
@BartekBanachewicz No?
14:04
my code had this illusion of working, but now the illusion has been shattered
ahahahahaha
@ScottW hmm, for a moment there I thought complimentary meant mandatory
"We'll kick you out if you don't use our Fitness Center"
@BartekBanachewicz There were people in the house when I left. Why would I lock the door?
ah. I was under false, as it seems, impression that you live alone
@R.MartinhoFernandes to keep them from escaping, duh
14:06
@jalf If that is the case, I will tke 'Complimentary minibar' option.
Now I can only go back once they come back.
Anything else seems irresponsible in the extreme
Hopefully they won't go out partying all night.
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can just call them, y'know
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@R.MartinhoFernandes haha
14:06
@BartekBanachewicz I left my phone together with my keys Q_Q
also it's wednesday
Sooo, yay. Debugging ancient C library, written by a guy who no longer works here.
(I already e-mailed them; don't suggest it)
I was gonna suggest IM
It also happens to be one of the more performance-sensitive and fragile areas of our codebase
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14:07
spare-keys ftw
remember last time I did that? :)
it was even funnier
To more or less quote Guybrush Threepwood, "I left my keys and cellphone in my other pants".
I forgot my badge, so I spent 45 minutes going to work and back
just to find the door closed
@Xeo Where do you keep those?
I locked my keys in a hotel room in Scotland. Also in the room was my wallet and air ticket. All the passkeys were in the hotel safe and the manager had gone out for the day with the safe keys. The window on the first-floor room was open a bit, so I borrowed a ladder. While trying to open the window fully, the cops turned up and I was arrested.
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14:09
I did bring my wallet.
Hi. Can anybody help me identify this font..
http://imgur.com/mzKrUNA
I'm get this monospace code from a mixed unicode font so I can't get the name of this. Thanks a lot!
@jagttt #define boolean char WTF?
Haha not my code. I'm reading someone else's code. It's from brogue the roguelike.
It looks similar to the font Sublime Text uses, but the lower case L is slightly different.
Oh, and the zero is way off.
Sorry. But I can't find the font lounge :)
14:12
But still, you should use Sublime Text :)
Yes I'm using Sublime Text 3.
@Xeo I mean, if you have spare keys that are always available even to someone that doesn't have non-spare keys with them, why do you even carry the non-spare keys?
@jagttt I didn't know there was a version 3 yet!
@MartinJames Wait, what?
14:13
@jagttt it's terrible
@FredOverflow yep it added symbol indexing and works pretty well.
> Sublime Text 3 is currently in beta. The latest build is 3021.
meh
Is there some kind of central Internet Crossroads with road signs pointing to all sorts of different sites, and a big plaque saying "if in doubt, better ask the Lounge<C++>? I am really honestly truly baffled at how the strangest of questions end up in here.
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@ScottW haha..
Unless by spare keys you mean "one set of keys for each piece of clothing I could ever wear that has pockets".
14:14
@jalf The packet hexdump from yesterday was a jewel.
user1357851
Back in uni days, there were a couple of weeks I was working 2 jobs (16+ hours days). When I got home I was exhausted. Once I slept with the front door open & I was living alone.
Actually, that sounds like a genius idea.
user142019
I honestly cannot imagine anyone who would in their right mind hire Telkitty.
user142019
14:15
Also it looks like Consolas.
Crazy, too, but that's orthogonal to genius.
Biometric authorization would be better
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@DomagojPandža Do I scare you?
@Telkitty Were you still alone the next morning?
never forget your keys eye ever again
14:15
Nah, you suck.
Pretty sure it's not consolas. I've been using consolas all day :)
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think so.
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@FredOverflow yeah I scared all the criminals away I guess ...
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I have keys in my pockets, and some in my bag. :)
14:16
@Zoidberg thanks I'm trying that right now
@Zoidberg Image is too complex: 102 components found. There is a 100 component limit. 000021cb5177706d0006cac700007c06 [job.cc:65]
@BartekBanachewicz Because it has too high a failure rate.
retina scanners are pretty damn accurate
I don't want to be locked out even if I bring my keys eye.
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And I take my bag everywhere. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I may forget the pocket-keys at home and then I still have the ones in my bag.
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14:17
@FredOverflow job.cc:65 LOL
the only downside is the inconvenience
also, you can just use a normal password
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but it was scary, that was the same unit/apartment where I once found a guy peeping from a window from the outside when I was walk out of my bathroom (or was I walking into the bathroom)
like, a keyboard
@Zoidberg What's so funny about a file name and a line number?
hook it up to your raspberry pi and you're all set
user142019
@FredOverflow it doesn't belong in errors shown to the user. The UI designer is bad and he or she should feel bad.
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erm
Also, I doubt I could do that on the street door.
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ITT: Bartek sucks at security.
i can totally imagine someone standing in front of said keyboard for a whole day trying to hack it
14:19
oh hey, a longjmp. This code is awesome
user142019
sweat
@BartekBanachewicz And there is a history of diabetes in my family, and that's another fear.
boy, there's a big bitchup in the Unicode proposal thread.
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm?
user142019
@DeadMG I read "ketchup".
14:21
@Zoidberg Wow it really works! I think it is droid sans mono. Thank you very much!
@BartekBanachewicz Diabetes changes your retinal patterns.
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:D
I doubt it happens over 24hrs though
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14:21
@DeadMG Yeah, it's annoying. I always think there's some interesting update, but nope...
user1357851
It isn't fair that when a young girl living alone, she has to worry about her safety - I caugh guys peeping inside my flat/apartment twice at two different places. A young guy would not have such a concern
user142019
It's awesome. :P
user142019
Ghetto is also funny. It's about Erlang.
VLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH.
user142019
14:22
I have seen VARG live.
@refp Variable-length argh?
@EtiennedeMartel 403
@DeadMG as needed by every developer once in a while
@refp Really?
@EtiennedeMartel really
user1357851
@EtiennedeMartel It's a bit tl;dr -- however -- ponies.
@DomagojPandža Read it.
@Telkitty There's not necessarily a big difference in behavior, only (or at least primarily) in the reaction to it. If a guy looks into a girl's apartment, it bothers her. If a girl looks into a guy's apartment, he's more likely to like it.
@TonyTheLion MSPainted. :Đ
for those like me who get a 403 from the link by @EtiennedeMartel knowyourmeme.com/photos/…
14:24
@DeadMG I can tell Ville and Nicol are discussing different things, but I am not in the mood to intervene and try to clear it up.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes s/am/am not/?
Tough morning robot?
@Telkitty Someone desperate enough to peep into your flat truly is a menace to society and needs to be stopped.
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yeah
14:25
(Or whatever time it is right now at your location)
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The robot's wires seem to be all over the place.
Help! I'm trapped in a week full of Mondays!
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lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shiiiit son.
newfags don't know how to follow robot on twitter
Hmm, VS2012.
it's a segfault.
Goodbye, VS2010. I'm not touching you anymore.
s/VS2010/VS/
14:27
VS2012
@BartekBanachewicz .. why the edit?
@refp I am not sure how does s/ work for parts of words
user1357851
@JerryCoffin I wonder how many guys have stranger girls peeping throught the window into their apartments
@BartekBanachewicz it doesn't care about words, nor does it really know what a "word" is
@Telkitty I dunno. I did once, but I'm not sure how common it is.
14:29
VS2012 is pretty. But that's all it is. A pretty face. It's dead inside.
The C++ standard contains the word "Vivisectionist" lol
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@DomagojPandža s/pretty\./pretty ugly./
@DomagojPandža it's not pretty, nor functional
it looks Ok
can people stop with the useless search-n-replace patterns!?
14:30
I guess this goes without saying -- but the dark theme.
@FredOverflow pg 331
it's driving me nuts
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@JerryCoffin lol, did you invite her in?
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@FredOverflow It also contains a limerick!
@Xeo page?
14:30
and with useless I mean expressions which could be written in a better manner :(
@Xeo Really?
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now I'm gonna have a fag and cry
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14:31
Oct 25 '12 at 23:25, by Xeo
When writing a specialization,
be careful about its location;
or to make it compile
will be such a trial
as to kindle its self-immolation.
/* §14.7.3 [temp.expl.spec] p7 */
@Telkitty Nope. Closed the curtain. Nothing more. I s'pose I should add: it was kinda dark, so I couldn't see very well -- s'pose it could have been a somewhat effeminate looking guy.
imagine if I really went out and kidnapped a fag every time I said "I'm going out for a fag", that'd be funny (at least funny compared to the current discussion in here)
Ahahah, self-immolation.
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@JerryCoffin At the later place, one of my neighbours (also a girl living alone) complained about the problem. Although she thought it was a thief checking out the place. Because of my experience, I knew it was the other neighbour
@refp It has a nice comedic value.
Comedic semantics are important.
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14:34
I didn't know there were so many perverts
struct InternalFormatFormatType{
kill me
lol
sure thing
just come over here with a sharp knife
@Telkitty There probably aren't. But one pervert can probably lead to 100 stories like yours (i.e., might easily have looked into 100 different girls' apartments if he's a real peeper).
also function names that are nouns
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@JerryCoffin true, except I had it happened to me twice, not once, in two places and 5 years apart
14:37
What are you talking about, Telkitty? It would be easier to believe if you said you were the executive producer at Blizzard. But then again, you Asians are weird, it might be true.
Why do you keep spitting abuse at her?
@DomagojPandža Telkitty != Rest of Asian Population
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FU Tony you pussy
@R.MartinhoFernandes because he has an abuse fetish?
Because she keeps trolling. And I've had enough of that crap from Cicada.
14:38
@DomagojPandža Dude, no need for the racism.
@Telkitty Erm... @DomagojPandža hurls abuse at you, and you curse me. Your logic makes little sense
@DomagojPandža Is Telkitty Cicada?
@FredOverflow No
Is Tony The Lion Tony The Tiger?
user1357851
14:40
@TonyTheLion first you delete my pic for no apparent reasons, then you accursed me for an Asian cast out
You send him a pic of you?
@DomagojPandža I'm sorry, but you have been doing worse than her.
@Telkitty that's not what I meant with that statement, what I meant was that @Dom shouldn't insult every Asian because one person of Asian origin behaves annoyingly according to his point of view.
@FredOverflow He evolved.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Meh, I guess so.
14:40
Is Haskell logo long haired nerd?
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah :(
@FredOverflow No, that's yo momma
@FredOverflow lol
@kbok Looking for a job? It's still time to leave the country.
Oh, Cat is here. I'll just leave the abuse to him. <3
14:42
@CatPlusPlus Is Cat with beard Cat without beard?
I am not her biggest fan, but I can't stand idle while you continuously keep verbally abusing her like that.
@EtiennedeMartel There are crazy assholes everywhere. Well, maybe not in Canada, but it's too cold.
@TonyTheLion I agree, I like asians. It's just that Telkitty is ruining them for me. I apologize to Asians worldwide.
@Telkitty Once every 5 years isn't exactly common. I suspect there's also some statistic clustering at work -- at a guess, some apartments are a lot more likely to appeal to young, single women than others, and such a place is probably a lot more likely to attract a peeper as well.
ITT Fred is higher than a rocket-powered kite.
14:42
@DomagojPandža I told you few times to chill fyi
@DomagojPandža good boy
You really should just ignore her
--ignore
@TonyTheLion No, not good.
14:43
ain't no rest for the wicked.
according to the puppy, not good
but you know what, I don't care any further about this rather silly conversation
He's referencing the last part. There, no more.
damn fuck I have to do laundry today
the pile of dirty stuff exceeded 1m
Text to speech
I heard MLP is so popular because it looks like Flash
14:45
I always wait until the last moment to do laundry.
just wear it again
@BartekBanachewicz you have a measure stick to see when you need to do laundry?
also, laundry isn't that much work
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, it does.
@DeadMG Yeah. If OO can do it, we can, too. Laundry reuse!
14:45
@TonyTheLion meh, it's just nearly the height of my desk
@ScottW That's why it feels so good when I scratch C++.
@TonyTheLion I know, I just couldn't be bothered
@TonyTheLion Well, the outline/radius of the pile matters too.
@FredOverflow Need more templates. Shirt<Blue>, Shirt<Gray>, etc.
@BartekBanachewicz Last week, instead of doing laundry, I just bought new clothes.
14:46
I do laundry when I run out of clothes
oh come on.
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Haha
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@JerryCoffin I don't really mind all that much. Because peepers don't bother me much. Once I got molested on a bus. I am sure I got molested, not just crowded and I was only 9 or 10 year old. Perverts. The truth is that maybe 80% of the girls had this kind of problem happened to them.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I did that once too - but I also actually needed new clothes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes like a boss
14:46
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wouldn't work for me, I always wash new clothes before I wear them.
@R.MartinhoFernandes aren't you are supposed to be older and more responsible or something?
@kbok The animation looks good, yes. But it's not the only reason.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...
I do laundry when I run out of space.
That's not what I said. :)
14:47
@Xeo Yeah, that was the case. I didn't have enough non-Winter clothes. /cc @Bartek.
But -- in other news, how's everyone doing today?
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Great
Had cake
1. Open Laundry machine
2. Put in clothes
3. Close door
4. Add soap
5. Press Start
6. ???
7. Profit
Shitty as usual
Not that hard
14:47
@TonyTheLion Need to dry
@DomagojPandža Everyone? Impossible to tell.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh.
I do laundry once a week
@TonyTheLion Your washing machines are weird. You put soap after closing the door?
@TonyTheLion you have to take them out at some point
14:47
@TonyTheLion 6. Wash other people's clothes
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Had cake, did virtually nothing all day...
@DomagojPandža Not so well. My interview was not as good as I hoped
I do it like once every 2 months
@Telkitty I'll have to take your word for it. Not only am I not a girl, but I grew up in a town so small we (literally) had no public transportation -- the only buses were school buses (and when I was that young, I mostly walked to and from school anyway).
@BartekBanachewicz And dry them.
14:48
but hey, it's so warm outside i can just put them out cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
@EtiennedeMartel yea because the soap compartment is separate to the clothes one?
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, there usually is a little box for the soap
It's a good drying day outside. Maybe I will wash something.
@CatPlusPlus holy crap
you have a lot of clothes
14:48
@EtiennedeMartel there's separate shit for that
@kbok Oh? What happened?
Cat Plus Plus is a fashionista
I actually use washing liquid
@DomagojPandža They use old crap and they do C/C++
it apparently comes out cheaper
14:49
I use those little bag/tab things.
@EtiennedeMartel Isn't there this thingy in the top-left corner with 3 sections which you initialize with clothes washing stuff?
I mean I don't know because I just steal what my flatmates buy
The worse thing is that the salary and workplace are great so I might end up accepting that anyway
Where I'm from, we pour the soap right on the clothes.
14:49
@R.MartinhoFernandes nigerian scam lol
(And I say "pour" because it's liquid stuff)
@EtiennedeMartel low-tech washing machines
OpenSauce™
@EtiennedeMartel You may need a more recent/elaborate washing machine
lol elaborate
"Your clothes will look exquisite when I'm done with them"
14:50
@EtiennedeMartel Seriously? You need to go and check out some of the Samsung models available nowadays.
The liquid in the separate compartment is mixed gradually during the washing process so it's more efficient
If I have powder or liquid in a bottle, I use the pull-out tray thing. The bags, I just throw in with the dirty clothes.
Touchscreen, baby.
14:51
@DomagojPandža That looks scary.
Sixth Sense
@R.MartinhoFernandes David O'Reilly?
WOAOAOOAAO
@DomagojPandža Breaks after 6mo
+1 ^
buy Bosch if you want something reliable
@kbok Well, those fancy washing machines aren't gonna sell themselves.
14:52
Just buy one of those $1000 20y lasting machines
or you know
Washing machines are hard enough to use when all you have to do is push a button; a touchscreen sounds like a nightmare.
@DomagojPandža What version of Windows is that running?
I perfer the old mechnical timer with one rotary control. I can set up the wash in ~500ms without looking.
use the public station
14:52
@BartekBanachewicz meh
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Uhm...
I've found nice looking one near me
So inconvenient
@MartinJames that's fast
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Can't you just, Idk, whisper to it?
14:52
they are quite popular in US
@kbok Dunno -- I have a fairly similar LG model that's about 5 years old and still works quite nicely.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, a touchscreen doesn't sound a lot of things and is usually silent.
@TonyTheLion they dry your clothes too IIRC
@TonyTheLion It's the WashOS. :Đ
14:53
@JerryCoffin With a touchscreen?
does it have WiFi?
@TonyTheLion Touchscreens for washing machines, microwave etc - annoying and pointless.
interesting logic
@BartekBanachewicz There's literally one downstairs my apartment but still
14:54
Actually, there are wifi models, same goes with newer fridge models and ovens. They can be controlled that way, automagically.
I am actually kinda into the digital house thingy
@DomagojPandža Do they update your Twitter/Facebook feed when your clothes are done?
@MartinJames Yeah, microwaves for washing machines are useless
@kbok No, not a touch screen, but it would probably be even more dependable if it did -- touch-screens don't have moving parts, where this has a rotary control plus about half a dozen buttons.
it can send you an email or something
14:54
@Insilico ahhahahahahahah, that's hilarious, because it's so pointless.
@TonyTheLion Sounds about right for Twitter updates.
Thanks for dissecting it, Tony.
I'd like to have an oven that I can preheat with my cellphone
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're welcome, robot :)
14:55
@JerryCoffin AFAIK For washing machines the electronic parts tend to fail quicker than the mechanical parts
when I'm going from work with a frozen pizza for example
Stupid multifunction touch displays are making it impossible to use stuff.
@kbok they are specifically designed that way
ITT Washing machines and programmers
@MartinJames Only if you're not skilled.
14:55
Also hardware controls > touchscreen
@kbok I s'pose that's possible, but it'd be contrary to my experience with virtually anything else.
forever and ever
Touchscreens ftw.
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: We're washing... [c++] [c++11] [coliru] [no-helpdesk]
14:56
ITT: Touchscreens vs Hardware controls
fight!
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I wanna a modern house where every electronic equipment can be controlled by a dumbass phone ^_^
@DeadMG I don't want to acquire dedicated skills for every, different appliance I ever use!
Hardware controls can be operated by blind people
or without looking
@JerryCoffin IME When a machine handles water and/or extreme temperatures mechanical parts are more solid
14:56
@Telkitty You still have to walk to the machine to put the clothes in...
user1357851
I use robot
@Telkitty Hopefully there will be some authentication going on before you just let phones control your house.
user1357851
which I can use speech to control $
AI voice control.
@Insilico still, the idea is great
14:57
@Insilico Yes, WEP keys.
turning the lights on/off
turning the music
pulling the curtains
controlling surveillance and alarms
Hmmm....Come to think of it, how about one with no controls, just an Ethernet connection. Who's with me on developing SWMP (Simple Washing Machine Protocol)?
@R.MartinhoFernandes WEP keys, man you're already asking a lot from these people. :-P
checking energy/water usage
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, those things are so easy to get through.
14:57
@DomagojPandža Thanks for dissecting it :P
@JerryCoffin I'm in.
I'd like to have one remote to watch TV for starters; let's tack smartphone domotics after that
@JerryCoffin Is it going to end up being a 1000-page protocol?
we need more general protocol
SIHP
user1357851
how about a tiny magnetic strip implaned to the finger tip + finger print + voice
14:58
The lab at Nortel was too hot, so I spent 10 minutes faffing about with the almost-useless a/c controller with it's incomprehensible icons and touch controls. Two days later, an overhead duct collapsed from the weight of snow.
Simple Intelligent House Protocol
@JerryCoffin I'm in
@JerryCoffin Can you make it SWAMP?
@BartekBanachewicz That's UPnP
so it can operate on ovens, washing machines, microwaves
14:58
@BartekBanachewicz Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure "SDP" (which should obviously be "Simple dryer protocol") is already taken for some "service discovery" nonsense.
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user1357851
like you sign in your phone using your finger and voice - which you are already using anyways
@kbok no, that's for media
The protocol will be called SHIT. Simple House Internetwork Technology.
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@kbok But without the security flaws.
@BartekBanachewicz Nope
14:59
hm.
so can we build on top of uPnP?
Common Residential Access Protocol.
There are protocols for e.g. lights and stuff
wifi lightbulbs are cool
wifi lightbulbs?
you can turn them on and off and change colour
14:59
lolwut
I'm afraid UPnP is totally overkill and too complex. Like XML.

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