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10:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel awww sad ;( picky you :P
 
@JABFreeware Yes. Intellisense is the name of Microsoft's implementation of that general concept.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Last version I used with 5.0 and it was great. :|
 
Alright, tell you what: I'll turn it on right now and check it out.
 
Ell
Is intellisence so difficult? I just imagine a fuzzy search of functions in scope
 
10:01 PM
intellisense is not fuzzy
You can get fuzzy autocompletion in eg sublime, vim. There may be plugins in the wild for VS though
 
@Ell It depends on building a database of symbols for a specific scope.
 
The guy from the placement agency told me to practice my english (IOW I suck) :(
 
@EtiennedeMartel Searching for SomethingWithVariousWords by their initials (SWVW) was nice back then. I don't suppose VS2012 has that now?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably not.
@kbok Well, next time get on Mumble with us and start talking.
But you know what's worse right now?
 
I don't like project management
 
10:05 PM
I have work to do both on our tools and our engine.
 
@Crowz amen
 
@EtiennedeMartel Last time I was on mumble no one was talking
 
@kbok Then start talking.
 
I'm talking right now. Alone in my apartment.
 
As guessed right :-), I've been working on a command-line parser. Mainly as a exercise to try wide variety of approaches related to boost spirit and c++ in general. Thank you very much for sharing your code snippets with me ! — G. Civardi 3 mins ago
 
10:05 PM
Not very fun.
 
So. Our tools are in C#, and developed with VS2010, so I simply opened the solution with VS2012 and voila, no upgrade required.
 
^ yeah yeah. Just vote me (t.f.) up :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel yep they finally understand how upgrades should be
 
However, the engine is a VS2008 solution, and we're not yet ready for the upgrade, so I still need to use that old piece of shit.
And no R# either because it's C++.
And I don't have a VAX license.
 
What's this R# you keep talking aboot
 
10:07 PM
@kbok Best thing since sliced bread.
 
prior VS solution -> VS2010 was a royal pain in the behind.
 
Makes you never want to use vanilla VS again.
 
Writes your code for you.
 
If you ever have to use C#, get a license.
 
10:07 PM
Fixes your code for you.
 
R# is the greatest thing to happen to my fingers.
 
This was a stupid question
 
I wish C++ was less complex so I could have R++.
 
The fact that these guys are actually working on a C++ IDE is getting me all excited.
 
Yeah, me too, since they describe what sounds like a TMP debugger.
 
10:08 PM
finally
 
did they also JIT template code
 
inb4 he's serious
 
this would seem to be the logical way to go
 
I supposed they merely compile it.
 
10:09 PM
@LucDanton Why not?
 
Is tuple<> legal?
 
@DeadMG I'm not saying 'why?'.
@kbok Yes.
 
I don't see a need to generate code.
 
They're using Clang anyway.
 
Does clang have <regex> support?
 
10:11 PM
@ThePhD Clang just finished 100% feature support (minus bugs).
 
Cool, let's confuse people with tuple<>s now
 
@DeadMG SFINAE :<
 
@DeadMG Trunk only. Expect a stable version this summer.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I pulled two days ago. Close enough.
 
@DeadMG Feature support. What about the library?
Who's running Clang's library?
Clang itself? Or is their stdlib Dinkumware's or somebody else's?
 
10:12 PM
<regex> is useless http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15882991/range-of-utf-8-characters-in-c11-regex/15895746#15895746 #cpp11
 
only MS use Dinkumware
 
Also read_some is useless
 
Clang uses libstdc++ or (Mac only) libc++
 
@DeadMG MS is crapware
 
Xeo
@DeadMG libc++ isnt Mac only
 
@Xeo Yeah no.
Seriously.
 
technically, it might also run on Linux, but #llvm says it's not really cooked there either
 
@DeadMG Does libstdc++ have <regex> support, then?
 
10:14 PM
Same boat as GCC then....
 
It may happen to work under some conditions but it's not supported, so don't disguise it as such.
 
What?
@ThePhD libstdc++ is what ships with GCC.
 
@ThePhD Can't you use Boost.Regex?
 
yeah, and <regex> is broken for GCC too. :D
@EtiennedeMartel Yes.
 
you can use libc++ if you're Mac
 
10:15 PM
Boost.Regex is the thing.
 
Everytime something comes into the stl, though,
I usually swap out its equivalent boost component for the std:: component
I was hoping to do that with <regex> but alas.
 
Don't do it for <regex>.
 
Still broken, except for MSVC.
 
Still broken in MSVC.
Use Boost.Regex.
 
Use Boost in the meantime.
Now, why do you need a regex?
 
Xeo
10:17 PM
@LucDanton Well, there's documentation on how to build libc++ on Linux with libsupc++, libc++abi or libcxxrt atleast, on libcxx.llvm.org :/
 
@Xeo But it's not known to work. And it won't always.
That's the difference between 'supported' and 'happens to work'.
I'm not saying it won't work.
 
@Drise oh hey, now I see it. I'll give it a look if it's not too late
 
Xeo
Anyways, I should head to sleep. G'night.
 
@Xeo gn
 
@Drise when doing a sort, test with the sets {0}, {0, 0}, {0, 1}, {1, 0}, {0, 0, 0}, {0, 0, 1}, {0, 1, 0}, {1, 0, 0}, {0, 1, 2}, {0, 2, 1}, {1, 0, 2}, {1, 2, 0}, {2, 0, 1}, {2, 1, 0}. Once you pass those, you're done, and since there's <4 elements it's really easy to debug.
 
10:23 PM
In libstdc++, is std::tr1::array in <tr1/array> or just <array>?
 
@Xeo Hi Xeo, 'night Xeo
 
@EtiennedeMartel I do directory name matching for my FileSystemMonitor
The pattern matching is done with Regex.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Everything in std::tr1 is in <tr1/*>
 
Former IIRC.
 
@MooingDuck What if his sort algorithm uses an optimised pass for three-sized input? :P
 
10:24 PM
what is Bubblesort?
:D
 
Stacksort is the best, anyway.
No debugging needed!
 
Unsort is my favorite.
 
@JABFreeware One of the easiest sorts to do
 
@Drise uh, recursing on (v.begin(), begin, v) is only right the first time. You're going to have to keep track of the begin and end that were originally passed into your function instead of modifying them. That's probably your bug.
 
Hey, that ain't funny, it managed to do it in the first run :F
 
10:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes obviously do correctness before optimization.
 
@Rapptz I joking...making fun of it...its SO SLOW
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really comparable though. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is completely broken, and 10 is perfectly conforming, MSVC's regex implementation rates maybe an 8, where gcc's rates somewhere below 0.
 
@JerryCoffin I think he means the C++ regex, not the implementations.
 
@Drise this is of course ignoring the fact that your sort only works on vector<int>
 
:O
Hey it's MooingDuck!
I haven't seen him in a while. :D
 
10:27 PM
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Q: Bootstrap menu icon doesnt work

DarthVader I have this attached file, for menu, and this button doesnt work. any ideas why? or anyone encounter the same problem? I can post the menu code if needed.

^ lol, screenshot of issue, no code
 
all too typical TBQFH
 
Oh wow he deleted it quick
> read the question. i m asking if someone had the same problem noob – DarthVader 4 secs ago
 
@Rapptz ahahaha
 
i like to ask questions — DarthVader 9 secs ago
 
i like to ask questions — DarthVader 10 secs ago
 
10:29 PM
lol
 
@LucDanton Perhaps -- and from that viewpoint (if you want real Unicode support) I'd pretty much agree. Nonetheless, gcc's regex is a whole different world of brokenness.
 
sbi
If you have slow Internet, use Youtube via UPS...
 
@Doorknob Haha! beat you by a second!
 
Lol :D
 
10:30 PM
His top tags: C#, Java, .NET, PHP. Nice combo.
 
anyone encounter the same problem? is a valid question — DarthVader 36 secs ago
err... no, it isn't :P
 
sbi
lose32
4
 
Xeo
@sbi Ape, you're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to come online when I go to sleep, you're supposed to go to sleep when Jerry comes online.
 
@sbi I could stand to lose some weight, but 32 (pounds or, especially, kilograms) would be too much.
 
-1 for linkdumping...
 
Xeo
10:31 PM
@Kinru And we likely hate it as much as you do.
 
@Kinru some downvotes?
 
I don't want to lose 32 years.
 
hello..
 
sbi
@Xeo Yeah, but I spent the evening in a cafe, discussing with a bunch of people from 6 houses (yeah, we're going global soon!) the speech I am supposed to give at Pankow's parliament (BVV) tomorrow.
 
Xeo
@sbi Ooh, good luck with that!
 
10:32 PM
how to convert timestamp innto readable format ??
 
driveby!
 
Needs more question marks.
 
i used asctime..shows seg fault error
 
@sbi Best of luck.
 
Xeo
Y'know, it feels actually weird to wish luck for something like this. We should wish him that people listen.
 
10:33 PM
also used strftime ,...seg fault ..
 
I love Bob Kelso's reaction :)
 
wats d reason
 
@Kinru, it's late man, it's too late.
 
@ScottW I guess -- I survived being a teenager once, so I suppose I could again, but I'm not at all sure I'd want to. If I could still have most of my current life, but have my teenage body, that would be pretty cool though.
 
@sbi Good luck :)
 
10:34 PM
@CodeJack No one knows. You are doing something wrong.
My screen! It's full of comments and C code.
 
Xeo
There. Not here.
 
@Xeo thanks :D
 
Hi Doorknob!
 
again, driveby!
 
(I've always wanted to say hi to a doorknob)
 
sbi
10:35 PM
@Xeo Thanks, but luck isn't really needed, actually. There's a proposal by all factions, so it is very unlikely that it won't go smoothly. Someone still has to explain it in 3mins, though, and they all agreed I am to be that someone. /cc @R.Martinho, @Tony (The trouble is we're topic #50 for the meeting. :() That will take long.
 
@TonyTheLion YAY! You got to! :)
 
hello @Tony. Please don't eat me. I am an innocent doorknob. Our population is being decreased a lot by being eaten by lions :'(
:P
 
@Doorknob I won't eat you :)
 
yay! :D
 
@sbi I won't wish you bad luck.
4
 
10:35 PM
@JABFreeware It's a like a special moment for this Lion here :)
 
Lol
 
Xeo
 
@ScottW We try, on occasion
@sbi oh, patience you will require.
 
sbi
@Xeo That is a pretty useful phrase, actually. :)
@TonyTheLion Not us, the meeting will.
 
10:38 PM
hello...plz help me someone...i googled but no ue
 
@sbi oh you don't have to sit and wait till its your turn to talk?
 
so much driveby :O
 
@CodeJack Use a debugger.
 
@CodeJack dude, the door is there.
 
@TonyTheLion I never knew you could do that :O That might be helpful later :P
 
10:39 PM
:)
It has a doorknob
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion There's two proposals that concern us, one is #33 and one is #50. The current plan is that we will have 3mins to talk before #50 is voted on. And, as @Xeo said it so aptly, I have been volunteered for this task.
 
@sbi Ah I get it now.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Everything else does not concern us, but we'll have to sit through it until #50 anyway.
 
right
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes : i used debugger , it shows asctime returns null
 
10:42 PM
Stack Overflow can help you here
 
@ScottW
Dutch is too verbose
BUT IT'S TIME TO GO HOME
SO FUCK YOU
AND DOEI
and doei? what does that mean :P also Google Translate ftw :P
oh, it means "and bye"
well I guess Google Translate isn't so good after all :O
 
sbi
Well, anyway, the god news about our fight for our apartment is that, since today, we're six houses, housing >150 people, and that Berlin's parliament and government starts to become aware of us — which is important because the company owning our house is Berlin-owned. Today members of the company's executive board were "invited" to explain to the larger of the two governing factions why their customers are rioting.
Our increasing importance was visible when, a few days ago, someone from the Christian Democrats (basically the "Torries" here, also Merkel's party) contacted us to arrange a meeting. That was today, too, and he was a bit embarrassed about his colleague who, contacted by us in February(when we contacted lots of politicians), turned us down. Apparently, we now gained enough momentum to be too important to ignore us.
 
that's a relatively good situation to be in
well, not better than not having a problem at all, but, y'know
 
sbi
@DeadMG Just today we reflected that we'd rather not be in it. :)
Had they made a good offer to four or five renters in this house, they would not face the wildfire they're facing now.
 
@sbi I am glad to hear this! :) I was hoping your efforts would come to fruition.
 
sbi
10:52 PM
@Borgleader Well, any possible fruition is still far away.
 
Moral of the story: bribe them early.
 
I mean you're getting recognition, that's a start :)
 
sbi
@Borgleader Yeah, whatever happens, what we already achieved is almost unbelievable.
A positive result would be great, though. This is very exhausting work, and it's very important to us.
 
Looks like I need to have 1x dispatch thread.
@sbi :O Wow. Sweet, way to kick ass!
 
Speaking of ass, I'll get mine to bed.
 
10:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Defrag well :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can I come with you? <3
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Basically, yes, that's it. They were too arrogant, though. Once we got in contact with other houses, this started to get out of hand. One advantage of having a three digit number of people in the boat is that you inevitably also get people with a lot of special knowledge and expertise in the fields required to fight them on their own ground.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes G'night.
 
sbi
Yeah, I should go to bed, too. I'll have to polish my notes tomorrow morning and I shouldn't fall asleep during the meeting in the early evening, no matter how boring the topics are...
Good night everybody!
 
night!
 
11:00 PM
@sbi When it comes to a political fight (which this is clearly turning into), numbers tend to carry weight of their own, regardless of expertise or knowledge of the people involved.
@sbi G'night.
 
hey everyone, i'm having a really hard time finding an error in some buggy code. as far as i can tell, everything is correct. i'm using dynamic programming and was wondering if anyone is willing to help me out. i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask so please inform me if it's not.
i posted my code on SO here: stackoverflow.com/questions/16179111/…
 
don't understand why one of you downvoted me -__-
 
How exactly do templates work with primitives?
 
11:14 PM
@CaptainObvlious Flagged. Sorry.
 
Ok I downloaded the file what now? — user2311215 23 secs ago
 
No worries. I expected it would be
 
I can comment now?
 
Guess I could get a badge out of it since I have 3 dv's
 
Ell
@bob well did you read the newbie hints?
 
11:18 PM
hmmm
can anyone here read LLVM IR?
 
@Ell i haven't. I'm assuming it says we should ask for help here...?
 
@BobJohn No.
it says, in short, "We don't give a shit about your problems."
the tag underneath the topic says "no-helpdesk" and it means it
 
@DeadMG ok. not sure why you're so hostile about me asking for help.
 
this is a chatroom, we come here to chat and relax
if I wanted to find people who needed help I'd go browse that site that's specifically made where people who have problems can ask for help
 
@DeadMG ok! sorry for completely and utterly fucking up to an unimaginable degree.
good day, sir!
 
11:25 PM
Someone met the Puppy with a bang!
 
eh, I wasn't even offensive to him or anything
 
@BobJohn You might want to break that function into smaller functions
 
Hey guys, I'm new to the site and I've got myself a real head scratcher here. I was wondering if one of you could help me?
 
only if you have a particularly interesting problem
 
@lciamp yes, try to ask @BobJohn
 
11:28 PM
;D
 
oh gawd, what's the infestation of noobs?
 
Yeah, if someone started mapping noobs incursions as a function of time, a pattern would emerge. And then we could fight it!
 
hahahahah
@DeadMG How's the job hunting?
 
@TonyTheLion Interviewing at Google on Thursday
 
@TonyTheLion that is all full moon
 
11:30 PM
wait, that's tomorrow now
 
@Timo it'd definitely make sense to do so. it's become frustrating looking at the same code trying to find a small mistake, though (my TSP paths mess up for even small instances of the problem).
 
@DeadMG oh nice :)
 
@BobJohn I agree, you might solve the issue just by breaking it into small functions that do one thing
 
@TonyTheLion It will be if they offer me a job.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk hey maybe that's what's going on.
 
11:31 PM
You also might consider encapsulating the vector in an object if it makes sense to do so
 
@DeadMG Hope so for you :)
 
would be nice
 
@DeadMG Please report back to us the skills assessment process they have
 
sure
 
@Timo lol, you can Google that you know.
:)
 
11:32 PM
@Timo definitely. thanks for the insight!
 
Yea but is it the real deal
 
@Timo You don't have what it takes.
There. Skill assessment complete.
 
@BobJohn Something I read in either clean code by robert c martin or working effectivley with legacy code by michael feathers is that when you see a bunch of nested for loops, that might be an indicator that each for loop should be its own function
 
@DomagojPandža lol
 
11:35 PM
@Timo that's an interesting thought. i hadn't considered it because the for loops function (at least close to) what they're logically supposed to do in sequence (find minimum path in subset, etc.).
 
Can anybody explain something about templates for me?
 
@Pawnguy7 what do you want to know?
 
Well, I get it in terms of, for examples, <template typename T>, but am confused how it works with primitives where you supply their value instead of their type, for example, SomeTemplatedObject bob<5>()
 
I guess you are looking for non-type template parameters
 
Five is the template parameter
 
user1357851
11:43 PM
howdy
 
I am still confused.
 
what's the problem?
the template accepts a parameter which is of type integer and it's value is 5.
 
Do they have a different syntax then, for example, a vector of <int>?
 
what kind of music do normal humans listen to?
 
@Pawnguy7 template<typename T> ... - type template parameter. template<int N>... - non-type template parameter.
 
11:47 PM
AH. I think I see it now. Thanks.
 
ewwwww, I just used a goto.
 
@Crowz Single female vocalists, hard rock, and, (strangely, for me), Tegan and Sara.
@DeadMG Why? Not used a GOTO since M$ 8K BASIC on Nascom.
 
Hmm I think I just realized I have an unusual taste in music
 
@MartinJames Well, it's really like break; but out of a bunch of nested if.
 
11:51 PM
@DeadMG Put the if's in a separate function,, return when condition met.
 
could do
 
I'll look at it later
 
There is nothing wrong with goto, seriously. It just should be used judiciously.
 
actually a lot of the stuff dealing with the LLVM type system is like this
 
11:54 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk Haven't found a judicious use in, well, three decades.
 
lots of special cases to consider
 
I think that LLVM just threw me another funball
it's a function declared to take pointers, but you should pass it values anyway
makes it difficult to know what's going on
 
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A: To use goto or not?

btaThere is nothing inherently wrong with goto. The reason they are often considered "taboo" is because of the way that some programmers (often coming from the assembly world) use them to create "spaghetti" code that is nearly impossible to understand. If you can use goto statements while keeping ...

 

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