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7:00 AM
heh
Some of this stuff is weird.
Like c_str link
 
It is a very simple EDSL with obnoxious syntax, worse errors, and no debugger.
 
Xeo
Btw, does X<_, Y<_> become X<_1, Y<_1>> now, or X<_1, Y<_2>>?
 
Former. This mimics MPL and non-MPL bind expressions and has the property that Foo<_, _, _> has the same meaning regardless of how deep it appears.
 
Xeo
Ah, true, bind also does that
Then I can't have any objection, can I? :)
 
Same algo.
@Xeo Btw I built a new Clang snapshot and it behaves much nicer. Have yet to see an ICE.
 
Xeo
7:13 AM
Ah, I have yet to build mine
I should've done that over night
It'll totally kill my machine :s
 
I just downloaded a prebuilt one :3
and it really really doesn't like MS' standard lib :p
 
@melak47 That probably means you don't have full C++11 language support, like a peasant!
 
:(
 
You would never get full C++11 support anyway would you?
libc++ only works on OS X
And.. he's on Windows.
 
Language.
 
7:20 AM
Lame.
 
Lawyered!
 
Lame@@@
 
lol
so, how do I get my C++11 fix on windows? :(
 
Ah well. Do you think they'll even bother with libc++ on Windows?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz linux too
 
7:21 AM
@melak47 MinGW~
 
Xeo
@melak47 VirtualBox with Linux
 
@Rapptz blergh
@Xeo been there, done that
 
@melak47 Works for me
 
Xeo
Been there, still there
 
@Xeo Why... not just dual boot?!
 
7:22 AM
@Rapptz :effort:
 
Xeo
> on Windows
:P
 
@melak47 yeah but if you're already going half way, might as well do it all.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz For my specific case, I only have a 64GB SSD, otherwise I'd potentially do that.
But then I can't just jump over and test stuff
 
@Rapptz but then if I want to play a quick game with someone, I'll have to stop what I'm doing and boot windows ._.
 
lol
 
Xeo
7:23 AM
What would be really nice is parallel boots
 
@melak47 Moar computers!
 
Xeo
Where I can just do something like alt-tab to switch between OSs
 
@LucDanton and what, multiple keyboards? no thanks. vnc? nooope. kvm switch? bleh.
 
When we can do that I'll eat my socks.
 
@melak47 Hey if you want to play while coding that's a different kind of thing altogether!
@Xeo Well if we can dream I'd rather just have my games on anything Debian-based.
 
Xeo
7:24 AM
haha
Or a nice CLI and Clang under Windows :P
 
... no
 
@Xeo The former is possible.
At least..
For variations of the word nice :|
 
Goddamn Railgun cliffhangers! How the fuck am I supposed to sleep for the next week?
 
I r the backs
 
I suggest closing your eyes.
 
Xeo
7:29 AM
@Mysticial Don't spoil me!
Or rather, I think I have to watch out not to spoil you :3
 
@DeadMG Hi there.
Good week?
 
hmm
it went OK, and it was kinda fun, but it could have gone a lot better
 
@Xeo what distro are you running in vbox?
 
Xeo
@melak47 Debian
 
today there are a couple of final sessions and then the last session at the end, where lots of formal voting takes place
it'll probably go the same as yesterday but not guaranteed
that's the last chance for a paper to fail to make it into C++14
 
Xeo
7:33 AM
Hm, I wonder if I can watch Railgun while Clang builds in the background...
 
Moar screens!
 
Xeo
Damn, it went fine until the opening...
And then it just died xD
 
you really need a new PC :S
 
I need to get home and fix my PC, fix all four of my existing papers, and write several new ones
 
Xeo
Sure you're not overshooting with the amount of papers?
 
7:38 AM
What kind of PC do you have that can't handle it?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz A 6 year old one. With 2GB RAM. And Dualcore with 2.2GHz. Plus a shitty graphics card.
 
:<
 
@Xeo Three of the existing ones only need what I would class as minor work. The fourth needs a bit more but not that much. After that, I can crack on new ones.
of course, I also need to cover a bunch of that content for Google...
 
@Xeo If it makes you feel better I'm using an i3 Sandy Bridge.
 
Xeo
Totally makes me feel better... :P
 
7:42 AM
Hey, it's a pretty shitty card!
 
user1357851
I want to post some pics when I realised xeo is here ... not cool
 
debian comes on 8 dvds? jeez...
 
Xeo
what
 
Xeo
wtf
 
7:44 AM
wut
 
@AndyProwl Ooops, I fail. In fact I was using an old version :|. With the new version I also get the message twice, I reported a bug here github.com/philsquared/Catch/issues/164 .
 
there's also a "netinstall" one...but if it's gonna download 8 DVDs worth of stuff while installing, that's gonna take a while :p
 
Xeo
Didn't for me
 
I thought linuxes were sposed to be small! D:
 
7:47 AM
I'd just go with netinstall. I think the debian people don't know how to distribute or number their files, I don't know.
@melak47 Ubuntu and Mint aren't big so I figure Debian isn't either.
 
lol, the netinst iso is 168MB
 
Oh, we can't read.
> The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system.
^^
 
@melak47 Still a lot of floppies though.
 
@Rapptz derp
ok, so what's on the other 50 CDs?
 
I have no idea.
 
7:49 AM
Packages.
 
Xeo
I wonder if the rest of them contain all the packages...
 
yeah, they mentioned something about coming with "29.000 packages!"
 
Xeo
Oh wow, this is getting bad.
 
Scroll down to features.
 
Xeo
7:50 AM
My PC is repeatedly hanging now
 
> Responsive GUI with resolutions up to 1920x1080, 16 million colours
 
> Fits on a single floppy, boots also from CD and USB drives
 
Xeo
@Rapptz I don't even want to imagine their driver situation...
 
lol
It's written all in Assembly. Pretty cool.
 
written in assembly to avoid bugs...
 
7:53 AM
ahaha
Pretty cool.
 
so basically
 
user1357851
notepad++ is annoying now, I am trying to replace ",\n with ")\n with \n new line not visible, it won't put the newline at the back
 
apparently there was quite a lot of drinking in the bar last night and there won't be a LEWG meeting because nobody could be bothered to turn up
 
@Telkitty Use regex.
 
so I'm sitting here alone with nothing to do, again.
perhaps I should just leave
 
Xeo
7:56 AM
haha
 
user1357851
how?
 
I could be home before lunchtime
 
I don't use Notepad++, I thought any decent editor would have it. At least via plug in.
 
user1357851
newline is \r\n on window right?
 
yes
 
user1357851
7:58 AM
maybe I can turn something on so I can see the special characters
 
@Telkitty in the replace dialogue, switch to "regular expression" mode, and turn on ". matches newline" :D
 
you guys haven't plonked him yet?
 
@DeadMG too much love in this room? :D
 
@Telkitty replacing stuff\r\n with crap\r\n works fine for me
 
@Telkitty Find \",\n replace ")\n works for me.
 
8:03 AM
@Rapptz omg the memories...
@Xeo Reminds me of my last computer. If my motherboard hadn't given up, I'd still use it.
 
user1357851
sigh ... running Android app on device has frozen my PC again
 
user1357851
had to restart
 
Xeo
8:41 AM
Oh crap, make only now reached the clang directory... up till now it's only been llvm D:
 
user1357851
now I know why it is not working ... I think there might be some spaces between ", and the new line
 
user1357851
So if I search for ",\n it will return nothing
 
@Xeo are you building on a rasb or what? ^^
 
Xeo
1 hour ago, by Xeo
@Rapptz A 6 year old one. With 2GB RAM. And Dualcore with 2.2GHz. Plus a shitty graphics card.
And inside of VirtualBox, to boot
 
not that much better :P
 
Xeo
8:51 AM
no shit, Sherlock :P
 
9:08 AM
how do you alias class methods in C++?
 
Ell
Hehe. Who got rickroll'd? :o
 
I mean, is there a syntax for it, or is it best to just call the other function.
 
Xeo
No syntax for it
 
I mean, I know there's function pointer syntax, and that makes me think that you can treat functions as data in some cases.
like class fields are
 
Xeo
If you want to alias a method, just forward to it.
 
9:12 AM
ok, thanks
 
user868935
Anyone worked with GLEW and VBOs? I have OpenGL 3.3 and GLEW 1.9, but when I check for VBO support, it all returns false
 
I've never heard of GLEW and VBO
 
9:46 AM
@Xeo are you the one with a Mac at work who complained about his mouse no longer working?
 
rss.rss.rss.rss.rss.rss.rss.rss.rss.rss.rss.www.tpb.lt ...wut
 
Xeo
@bamboon My right mouse-button no longer works, and we got a Mac at work, but I'm not sitting at it :P
 
your right mouse button doesn't work in general or only at the mac?
 
10:02 AM
god I'm slow on the uptick today
 
my goddam program worked! :D
I feel so friggin happy
 
user142019
> People you may know: Cat Plus Plus
 
user142019
Oh Facebook…
 
10:18 AM
@Zoidberg Hey zoid, would you mind running some code for me?
Just to take a look?
 
user142019
Yes.
 
@Zoidberg Is that a sure, send me, or yes, I mind.
 
user142019
I answered your question.
 
First one or second one.
:P
nvm, I guess you're busy.
 
user142019
(Pro tip: if you don't tell me what kind of code and what code, I mind because I don't run arbitrary crap from the Internet.)
 
10:20 AM
@Zoidberg Its C++, will send you 4 files 1 main function 2 files for class and 1 file for input
 
user142019
Does it work with clang 3.1 and libc++?
 
user142019
Does it require me entering input?
 
@Zoidberg It works with GCC 4.7
Yes it does.
 
user142019
I have no GCC.
 
Should work on clang as well
 
user142019
10:22 AM
I'm not in the mood, sorry.
 
user142019
Time to eat.
 
Sure, cya then! :D Thanks anyways for considering.
 
Ell
10:38 AM
did @ThePhD say he was writing a .blend file loader?
 
there, got CMake to decently build and run my tests.
 
Ell
for your own build system?
 
user142019
Shameless just-before-close repwhoring.
 
@Ell nono, I'm still reinventing a standard library currently. Ambrosia is on temporary hold.
 
Ell
right :P
 
10:43 AM
I got tired of all the shitty corners of namespace std.
 
Xeo
?
 
user142019
Is copying a dangling pointer UB?
 
Ell
No. I don't think
surely copying a dangling pointer is like copying an int
dereferencing it is where the UB is, isn't it?
 
user142019
That's UB for sure.
 
ok
new topic is amazing
also, @kbok time to stop fucking around
 
user142019
10:49 AM
lol
 
also my "I suck" is on 3rd place on starboaard. what
 
@bamboon Thanks a lot:)
 
Has anyone here played with Wt or Treefrog? I'm just wondering which one to learn z.z
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz no, that's Etienne's newbie hints.
 
user142019
Har har har.
 
10:52 AM
@Oshawott download and use both, then pick
 
@AndyProwl no problemo, I only just noticed that phil already answered. Did you try what he suggested yet?
 
user142019
Use Snap or Sinatra.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, that's my natural course of action. But if anyone has experience with both and/or either they could guide. :P
 
@bamboon I tried that yesterday yes, but didn't see much of a difference. Still got two assertions instead of one, although the second message was slightly different
 
user142019
C++ for web development is silly.
 
10:57 AM
I don't know what else to use when performance matters. :P
 
user142019
Snap!
 
I've never coded Haskell in my life :(
 
@AndyProwl oh, that looks colorful now, but still almost the same yeah.
 
user142019
Haskell is like ponies: AWESOME.
 
@Xeo std::string for one. fstreams and non-ASCII filenames for another.
The C cruft global namespace contamination for a third.
broken cout on Windows.
 
Xeo
11:00 AM
Ah, so it won't be a standard library, really
 
well obviously.
I'm not reimplementing the bad parts.
I'm not changing the good parts though.
That would be dumb.
 
Ell
@rubenvb then what is the point? xD
 
Xeo
Implement Control.Monad plx
 
@Ell I'm implementing improved versions of the bad parts.
and learning purposes obviously
 
Hmmmm... quick question. when did it stop requiring peer reviews for my edits?
 
user142019
11:02 AM
When you hit n reputation.
 
@CaptainObvlious when you hit 2000 rep
 
@rubenvb @refp Ah. thanks. little slow today lol
 
@CaptainObvlious aren't we all..
 
think i'll stumble over to 7-11 and get some cupcakes and a hotdog
 
11:04 AM
@bamboon Indeed. Not that I cannot live with it, I really like Catch. But it is a bit annoying when the first simple example you try out has a bug
 
is is_convertible testable by static_cast?
 
Xeo
no, static_cast tests is_constructible
 
yeah, feared as much.
 
Xeo
Let a function parameter do the job
 
say what?
 
Xeo
11:08 AM
foo(U) and then auto test(T v) -> decltype(foo(v), true_type{})
something like that
 
I have no idea what that should do O_o.
 
user142019
for member in draft.members when member.email is emailAddress
    throw new Meteor.Error 500, 'Cannot add member twice'
 
user142019
CoffeeScript is neat.
 
user142019
Same as for-if.
 
Xeo
template<class From, To>
struct is_convertible{
  static void foo(To);
  template<class F>
  static auto test(int) -> decltype(foo(declval<F>()), true_type{});
  template<class>
  static auto test(...) -> false_type;

  static constexpr bool value = decltype(test<From>(0));
};
@rubenvb ^ Should work, minus typos
And of course, you should properly inherit from either true_type or false_type
 
11:12 AM
@AndyProwl yeah, that's really lame.
 
@Xeo is that last decltype supposed to be not there at all or should it be a declval?
 
Xeo
uuu... should be decltype(...)::value
You'd use decltype(...) to inherit from it, that's what was in my mind
 
@Oshawott Javascript
 
That's pretty nifty. I'll try to understand this and see if I can apply it anywhere else. Thanks @Xeo!
 
11:16 AM
vlaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
 
Xeo
Fixed the ::value and the forgotten class before To.
 
@Xeo yeah, I got those already :P
So this is using declval to call a function requiring the conversion being tested, correct?
 
Xeo
ya
 
Only thing I don't see is what a double argument decltype does.
 
0
Q: How do I give an 'up vote'?

syntagmSeemingly a basic question to which I can't find an answer. maybe I am asking in the wrong way. Some one gave a very useful answer and I want to reciprocate in one way or another.

 
Xeo
11:17 AM
@rubenvb comma operator
 
That same trick can also be used for is_default_constructible if I'm not mistaken?
and is_move_constructible and friends
 
Xeo
If you meant the comma operator, ya.
But beware of operator,(T, true_type) overloads :P
 
huh, overloading operator, is evil.
especially for true_type
 
Xeo
Just decltype(void(T()), true_type{}) it. :P
 
your SFINAE is more advanced than mine...
heh, the blog I linked to links back to SO
Obviously, SO is the gathering of the C++ gurus
 
user142019
11:32 AM
@KonradRudolph How do I give a 'fuck about that question'?
 
Xeo
y u take so long to compile Clang T_T
 
user142019
> C++
 
Xeo
Atleast it's already at the unit tests...
 
user142019
In three weeks I will die because of a Java overdose.
 
Today I might be killed by a horse
 
user142019
11:36 AM
Horse > Java
 
user142019
Because it's a superset of ponies. :3
 
not sure I have never really used java
 
user142019
And Java is a subset of horse shit. :(
 
how is a pony awesome?
horse shit > horses imo
 
user142019
@JohanLarsson Java is like C# without var and without LINQ and with type-erased generics and without lambdas and without delegates and without any interesting feature at all.
 
user142019
11:38 AM
Okay, the lambda part will be fixed in Java 8.
 
Ell
but its windows only
but has a much better standard library
 
user142019
What? No.
 
user142019
I can use C# in OS X and Linux just fine.
 
Ell
Just like I can use windows in linux just fine :)
 
user142019
No, without a VM.
 
Ell
11:39 AM
wine is not an emulator :3
...nor a vm :P
 
Xeo
mono
 
user142019
 
var is not that useful imo, sure I use it but I don't count it as one of the nice things about C#
 
Xeo
wat
 
user142019
It's the best feature C# has together with LINQ.
 
Xeo
11:40 AM
That's the same as saying "type inference is not useful"
 
user142019
Required manifest typing is retarded.
 
Ell
wait I'm confused
I thought mono needed wine o.O
 
user142019
@Ell Mono is a cross-platform implementation of .NET.
 
Ell
Right
 
user142019
@Ell lol no of course not.
 
Ell
11:42 AM
well I never.
 
@Xeo idk, I regard var just as a syntax feature that is nice when declaring generic stuff
 
user142019
I use var whenever I can.
 
user142019
I find it annoying that the return type of functions cannot be inferred. :c
 
user142019
The reason Java doesn't have var/auto is because "dynamic typing is bad". :)
 
Ell
I didn't know var was dynamic typing
 
user142019
11:44 AM
@Ell It isn't.
 
Ell
I though it was just inference
 
user142019
dynamic is dynamic typing. var is static typing.
 
Ell
Oh. So it's just java being stupid :P
 
I use var for var l = new List<string>(); where it is obvious and redundant with explicit type
 
Ell
oh. It seems I have mono installed already
 
user142019
11:45 AM
@JohanLarsson OMG PONIES
 
Xeo
Screw explicit types, I don't exactly care about what I have here. The only thing I care about is what I can do with it.
 
@Zoidberg [x] nice ponies
 
user142019
I do care what I have here, but I don't have to know since the compiler already does and will spit errors if I make a mistake.
 
@Zoidberg I would also count the tooling VS & R# as strengths for C#
 
user142019
The only thing that can screw this up is implicit conversions, which are fortunately very limited in C#.
 
user142019
11:48 AM
@JohanLarsson Meh, I use Vim. *hides*
 
Ell
how do I quit from csharp? xD
 
so, uh, trying to configure clang hung up my VM. :/
 
user142019
@Ell control+D
 
Ell
ta :)
oh. it hasn't worked o.O
 
user142019
Do it from an empty line.
 
user142019
11:49 AM
quit; also works.
 
user142019
  quit;                    - You'll never believe it - this quits the repl!
  help;                    - This help text
 
Xeo
Amahgahd, Clang is finally built
 
user142019
Being able to inherit constructors feels like I'm in heaven.
 
user142019
I'll try it ASAP.
 
Ell
hm, I tried quit o.O
 
user142019
11:53 AM
@Ell SEMICOLON
 
You click the gray arrow that points upwards. To demonstrate how to downvote too, I will now click the other arrow. — Zoidberg 35 mins ago
hahaha, gg
 
Ell
maybe I bodged something earlier that broke it from then onwards
@Zoidberg I know :P
 
user142019
Open another shell, killall mono. Problem solved.
 
user142019
Nice.
 
user142019
11:55 AM
> Source maps have been used to provide automatic line-mapping when running CoffeeScript directly via the coffee command, and for automatic line-mapping when running CoffeeScript directly in the browser. Also, to provide better error messages for semantic errors thrown by the compiler — with colors, even.
 
user142019
Damn. About time.
 
user142019
 
user142019
Haha seems they like clang.
 
Ell
I just crossed it off
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol, what
 
Ell
11:56 AM
but anyway. I think I need to restart
 
@kbok I didn't have time for lundi lately :/
I want to get it really rolling
My current state is build-red tho
 
I'm integrating it into the 🍌 project right now
 
what's that?
your game?
I want to integrate in minicraft, but I need these lambdas
 
Yes. I still haven't found a name.
 
and these are capturing lambdas
 
11:59 AM
I need that too
 
also I am going to keep reqs at OGL 3.3
that sucks, but i want my nexus to run it
 

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