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10:00 PM
@Zoidberg Is that a yes?
 
@Zoidberg Why the hell is that a PNG
 
So is that a yes?
 
I figured it was.
 
user142019
@sehe Do I know.
 
Lol. Now beat it
 
10:01 PM
@Zoidberg PLONK
 
No.
 
user142019
:(
 
PARTY POOPER
 
user142019
Puppy says no to my nos.
 
@user1690130 Touché. Aussi: t'en as menti!
 
user142019
10:01 PM
@StackedCrooked sharpie in pooper?
 
@StackedCrooked PARTY POOPY
 
YAY!! GO DEDMG
 
Now let's keep this chat clean.
 
@DeadMG :)
 
You should do a giant animated gif "NO".
 
10:02 PM
Wtf i svn-updated my local version of boost and it doesn't compile
 
@sehe thnks :) I think Zoidbeg is a VAMPIRE too let us suck blood togethe
 
@Mysticial You can do SVG with declarative animation too (javascript is not going to embed)
 
@sehe t'en as menti ? is that i lied?
@Mysticial plonk
 
@StackedCrooked Actually, he unpooped the party.
 
Like a vacuum cleaner?
 
10:04 PM
@Jerry I had to pause for a while. Now I see that it really wasn't worth that much of an argue. The point is, newest x86 proved that they can match ARMs in power consumption, having the same or better performance. This is of course thanks to tri-gate technology. And right now, phones and tablets build on the newest atoms can take advantage of that, obviously. That's all I wanted to say.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes plonk
 
Dude you plonk too much.
 
@StackedCrooked after you u get plnked 100time . . . .
 
There is no such thing as overplonking.
 
Once you've plonked everyone.
 
10:06 PM
lol the guy started to plonk us?
That's funny
 
@StackedCrooked Just let him plonk everyone - then it's problem solved. Saves us from having to boot him. :)
 
`error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp__PyErr_Format`
WTF Boost, you compiled before the update and that lib hasn't been updated. Y U NO COMPILE
 
soon he will be left in the vacuum, plonking everyone and being plonked by everyone
 
Entering this room with the purpose of plonking people is a strange thing to do.
 
This guy is strange
 
10:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz erm... What?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ye, why cn't i plonk back?
 
@jalf sigh. What?
 
newest x86 cpus have proved much less power-hungry than older x86 cpus, but they're still a looooong way off..
 
@jalf not quite. Where did you get that information?
 
@BartekBanachewicz didn't you want a ber the other day?
 
10:09 PM
For an up-to-date example, look at battery life on Surface RT vs Pro? One runs ARM, one runs x86. One is an ARM SoC consuming up to around 3w, the other is a x86 CPU using down to around 7 at best. The latter also has a beefier battery, and still noticeably worse battery life
 
@StackedCrooked no thta is not why i netered.
 
 
Intel has made huge strides, and in the next couple of years they're probably going to continue getting closer to ARM's power consumption. But they're not there yet
 
Maybe it's just the batteries that have improved!
 
10:10 PM
their performance is still miles ahead of ARM, though
 
@DeadMG yup, definitely true
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol at the #nopressure hashtag :)
 
> I’m willing to bet that the Cortex-A15, in low-power applications like video, is on par with the Atom. But in higher-power applications (ironically, Web browsing), it'll require 50% or so more power than the Atom
> At the end of the day, Intel's numbers make sense. It's pretty clear that the Atom is on par with today's top SoCs.
^ Tomshardware
 
@BartekBanachewicz did you sy the other day you wanted beer or not?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Link please? :)
 
10:12 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Nice quote. Link would do nicely, indeed
 
and btw, Toms hasn't always been the most accurate on their in-depth tech stories
 
:7580815 whta do you men?
@BartekBanachewicz plonk
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's one hell of a pretty date. 24 / 12 = 2 (mod 12)
 
@sehe it's also Christmas Eve :P
 
10:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz first of all, have those numbers been reproduced by anyone other than Intel? :) Second, power consumption for the CPU at idle is much higher on the x86 side, so it obviously depends on what you measure and when :)
 
@jalf he states that basing on his usage, the numbers seem legit. Also, you are right - atoms win mostly when under heavy load, while ARMs "leak" less on idle
 
of course, at more performance-intensive tasks, it becomes a question of performance/watt, where Intel has a much easier time competing than when it's just a matter of just minimizing power consumption when performance is not a factor
@BartekBanachewicz there's a difference between someone saying "Intel's numbers seem legit", and "we have benchmarked this ourselves with no interference from Intel, and got similar numbers" ;)
 
@jalf I believe he used the device in question
@jalf That's very true. When it comes to raw power, intel can just take more powerful units off the Core shelf. ARM still has performance to improve.
 
@BartekBanachewicz sure, but he didn't get to benchmark it
But regardless of whether Intel is quite "there" yet (again, I don't think they are, because power consumption at idle is important, and they're quite definitely lagging there), I think we can both agree that they've made impressive progress in this respect at least
 
user142019
I am in love.
 
10:19 PM
Jan 30 at 0:22, by Zoidberg
Perl, Erlang, Haskell, Scala, F#.
 
A year or two ago, I'd have thought it absurd that they could make an x86 CPU which uses so little power and still performs reasonably well
 
> Now, in our own calibrated 200-nit test (which adds MP3 playback in the background), the Surface achieves an 8:03 run time. Asus' Transformer Prime pulls off 8:01 (the same as the Surface), but with a 25 Wh battery instead of the Surface’s 31.5 Wh power source. So, the Transformer Prime’s consumption is probably around 3.12 W
 
@Zoidberg PLONK no LOVE in C++ room. Worse than the PERL word
 
^ just a quick one to prove he said they actually made some tests
@jalf I'd think that too.
 
user142019
@sehe No, with a human. :|
 
10:20 PM
@Zoidberg Undefined Behaviour! Out-of-spec-book!
 
@BartekBanachewicz but not enough for him to be willing to say "our" numbers. It's still "Intel's numbers" ;)
 
user142019
@sehe std!
 
Actually, if not for Inside Intel News, I would probably still think that. They can be biased, of course
 
@Zoidberg That's not in love. That's in him/her
 
user142019
class lobster {
    /** @brief Invoke undefined behaviour.
      */
    void love(human);
};
 
10:22 PM
@sehe who does zoid love? himself?
 
@Zoidberg strange doc style. Where you affected by your java course? (Or is my doxygen so rusty?)
 
user142019
DOXYGEN/CLANG
 
> the tour was fully hands-on, and we were even able to test the power requirements for loading Tom's Hardware's home page. Our own benchmark data, extrapolated, is consistent with Intel's. (emphasis mine)
 
user142019
I like Haddock.
 
user142019
It is superior.
 
user142019
10:24 PM
Also I want krupuk with satay sauce.
 
Could anyone point me to a reference for overriding base class functions with a std::function pointer? :D
 
user142019
What?
 
user142019
Why the fuck do you have a pointer to an std::function. And what base class function.
 
user142019
std::function is not meant for overriding.
 
@BartekBanachewicz but once again, they are using their own data to support Intel's. If they had thorough benchmark data themselves, they wouldn't need to write an article which is basically about the validity of Intel's numbers. :)
Also, don't forget that this isn't just a CPU vs CPU comparison, but two entire machines, with lots of varying components. Intel's numbers are interesting for the breakdown component by component
but Toms can really only just test the whole system and see if the total figure roughly agrees with what Intel says
 
10:27 PM
@jalf I don't really know what I could add to this. They said that they will benchmark actual devices themselves; the article however is breaking misconceptions about x86, and I think it does it rather well.
 
anyway, bedtime for me :)
 
class Base {void Do()};
class Derived : public Base
{
std::function functionSig;
functionSig myfun override
}
something ..
 
user142019
@jalf Goodbye penguin.
 
@jalf they plugged into intel testing environment; the cables were soldered into the processor
 
user142019
@WindAndFlame wat.
 
user142019
10:28 PM
Base has no function myfun hence you cannot use override on it.
 
:p I don't know the syntax... I want to override a base c'lass' Do() method in a derived using a std::function ...
 
Goodnight @jalf
 
functionSig Do() ???
I can do that.
?
 
you don't know what you are doing
that's the problem
 
10:29 PM
now answer me shortly
what is std::function?
 
user142019
class Base {
public:
    virtual ~Base() = default;
    virtual void Do();
};

class Derived : public Base {
public:
    virtual ~Derived() = default;
    virtual void Do() override {
        f();
    }

private:
    std::function<Sig> f;
}
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can't add anything to this, unless you have more data. ;) I'm looking forward to seeing more comparisons though, of different systems with different hardware, and benchmarks performed by more different (and independent) parties. There has always been outliers in early reviews/benchmarks. Until more pop up, it's hard to say which ones are accurate
 
@zoidberg thanks!
 
user142019
Do you mean this?
 
user142019
Oh okay.
 
10:30 PM
@jalf Hah, I will try to make our GPU drivers suck less in the meantime, since the GPU comparison will surely follow
 
I would rather something like std:function<sig> Do() override.
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
what is std::function?
 
@WindAndFlame std::function is not a function. it is an object that pretends to be a function.
 
user142019
@WindAndFlame How could that possibly work.
 
@WindAndFlame You clearly don't know what you're doing
 
10:31 PM
this->GetBridgeImplByBridgeSource1 = std::bind(& BridgeImplementation1::GetBridgeImpl<BridgeSource1>, this,
std::placeholders::_1);
That is my method ...
 
user142019
What your code means is that you return an std::function from Do().
 
@MooingDuck that's the point. I tried to get him to read something; you're spoiling him instead
@WindAndFlame this-> is obsolete
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz still needed when shadowing. :)
 
user142019
void foo(int x) {
    this->x = x;
}
 
@Zoidberg NaNNaNNaN Batman, your argument is invalid
just precede that x with an underscore
 
10:33 PM
underscores ... so 1970s
 
@WindAndFlame wat
 
might as well use m_
 
user142019
I like underscores.
 
user142019
@WindAndFlame ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
I like m_
 
user142019
10:34 PM
Also where do you see underscores.
 
Hungarian notation is pretty nice actually
 
user142019
Besides _1 which is there for obvious reasons.
 
I like using this-> because it is clear.
 
@WindAndFlame it's also fucking long, ugly and useless
 
Hungarian notation is great if you edit in vim.
 
10:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz is that the thing MS uses? like DWORD dwSomeVal; ?
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz m_ is too.
 
@WindAndFlame you don't understand what hungarian notation is
 
@Borgleader no.
Everytime I see the code with unnecessary this-> I want to punch its author in the face.
 
@Borgleader Systems Hungarian, the useless one. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
user142019
10:35 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Same, if you change this-> to m_ or heck even _.
 
so violent
 
@Zoidberg suffix _? Dude, ew.
 
it is a great way to document code.
C++ is unnecessary, might as well use asm.
 
user142019
USE HASKELL ALREADY
 
its just style.
 
10:36 PM
no
 
user142019
You are unnecessary.
 
Style is whether to put an \n before {
 
I use base64-encoded random UUIDS as member variable names.
 
and syntactical sugarZ
 
user142019
 
10:37 PM
not fucking this->
 
this-> doesn't affect runtime performance at all.
 
@Zoidberg wtf? I mean, who did you plonk actually?
 
user142019
I'm way less tolerant these days when it comes to plonking since I fixed the avatar list fuck-up with custom CSS.
 
using this-> rather than m_ is style.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can say 'me' out loud, it's ok
 
user142019
10:38 PM
I guess the fucked-up avatar list is actually a feature to prevent people from plonking. :P
 
@WindAndFlame wtf?! I only code in vim, at least for C++. What was that about, again?
 
My first job had style guilde: gGlobal, mMember, inInputArgument, outOutputArg, ioInputOutputArg, sStatic, cConst, eEnumerator, theLocalVariable.
 
@sehe lol
@StackedCrooked <facepalm>
 
@sehe oh, styleconventions that help vim coders, like m_, etc.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Wind And Flame lol
 
10:38 PM
Hungarian notation strStuff
that kind of thing.
 
@Zoidberg I was quite afraid you did plonk me
 
user142019
lol
 
a non-discussion.
 
@BartekBanachewicz some libraries take to suffixing standard keywords with _, as well as 'global' constexpr instances (e.g. Boost Proto)
 
@Zoidberg PLONK
 
10:39 PM
@sehe like new_?
 
@WindAndFlame That's sad. Vim coders are not disabled coders. I can code fine, without crutches. Vim supports that
 
@user1690130 Stop it.
 
nyan_ = nyan;
 
Well, it's in detail:: anyway, right? @sehe
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked what about a const input arg or a static const global?
 
10:39 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Well, and while_, if_, swich_ etc
 
@Zoidberg I never dared to ask.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nope. Of course not. Proto is about EDSLs
 
LOL. Hey, I grew up with punch cards... I used VI for years, and Hungarian notation was very helpful.
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked lol
 
@WindAndFlame except you weren't using actual hungarian notation
 
10:40 PM
My dad thought octal would be useful to me when I grew up.
 
I honestly don't remember. I don't think it was scPrefix.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I got plonked about 5000 time the other day. I want to see how it feel to plonk 5o00 times the people who plonked mee. It feels good.
 
@sehe I give up. I will read up about it later
 
@StackedCrooked I admit I like to s_staticVariable; But then again, that crops up ... maybe 10 times in a large code base
 
no, I was using the other Hungarian notation?
 
user142019
10:41 PM
It's raining water! Hallelujah, it's raining water!
 
@user1690130 Do you know what "plonk" means?
 
@WindAndFlame there is perfectly one, made by it's only author. Every other is just an abomination of the original
 
Lately I put my statics variables always in a function scope.
 
user142019
Time to shit and get some crisps afterwards. Sehe may guess the flavour of crisps. One chance. Brb.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not the point. His point is: lack of intellisense meant the need for crutches. clear fallacy /cc @WindAndFlame
 
10:41 PM
lol. so the one I used 15 years ago, not authentic? :p How in the world do you know what I used? :p
 
@sehe that's clear BS
 
Actually prefixes help intellisense. You can type the prefix followed by ctrl-space.
 
@sehe help doesn't apply invalidness.
 
@WindAndFlame because you apparently don't understand what hungarian notation is about
 
Clear code with clear intent trumps obscure "comment-encoded-in-identifier"
 
10:42 PM
Hungarian notation is about code readability.
 
@WindAndFlame elaborate.
 
@WindAndFlame "help"?
 
@BartekBanachewicz You words are clouded in mystery.
 
aid.
geez. egg shells and drama queens.
I use alcohol to help me code.
 
@StackedCrooked that's deep
 
10:43 PM
THERE
I said it, I am disabled.
 
@WindAndFlame No, it's about lack of proper IDEs.
 
@WindAndFlame So I can't push you? Aah :(
 
OH: "There are few benefits to my day job. The increased desire to drink is nice."
 
Which is kinda useless now
 
A terrible way to use std::function for "overloading" (Note I violated the rule of three and that needs fixing)
 
10:44 PM
lack of proper IDEs. .. PWB was epic.
 
@WindAndFlame well then don't start such pointless arguments, because you apparently have no idea (I know it's harsh, sehe, thanks) what you're talking about
 
@EtiennedeMartel Huh. It's about languages/coding styles that make IDE's necessary.
 
I didn't start that one.
 
@WindAndFlame Does it help? I can't imagine..
 
@sehe I mean, Hungarian was necessary back when nobody had decent autocomplete.
 
10:44 PM
;)
 
@WindAndFlame I think it still is, in a way
 
@EtiennedeMartel thanks
 
@MooingDuck you shouldn't post things like this here without a huuuge disclaimer
@EtiennedeMartel but it isn't about autocomplete at all -.-
 
@user1690130: Use the offensive flag type if you think something is offensive but not mod flags. Besides that, the message you flagged isn't really offensive at all.
 
@BartekBanachewicz there's two disclaimers
 
10:45 PM
@EtiennedeMartel i don't want to plonk you but tht is plonk worthy almost :
 
@EtiennedeMartel You too? Of course it wasn't. It was done. But it wasn't necessary. It was painful, illegible and like any misguided attempt at annotating/commenting code, it grew out of sync the second you wrote code.
 
@MooingDuck HUUUUGER ONE
 
@MooingDuck What the fuck.
 
That means: hungarian naming mandated 'write-once' code.
 
@ThiefMaster I ws offened. You mght not have been. I ws
 
10:45 PM
@sehe Hmmm.
 
@user1690130 Oh wait, you are the troll from the java room...
 
that was an epic std::function overload example.
 
@ThiefMaster He's a help vampire. He's been harrassing us since yesterday.
 
@AndreiTita that's more or less how virtual functions work under the tables. I figured I could emulate it poorly with std::function.
 
@ThiefMaster Au contraire. This friend has been annoying the crowd here since feb 1st
 
10:46 PM
@ThiefMaster yup
 
@sehe That early?
 
I think I should print out his trolling, take a dump and then use it as toilet paper.
 
Can you do something about him?
 
@ThiefMaster Nah. Too much attention
 
Yeah
 
10:47 PM
@ThiefMaster plese on't suspend me. sory
 
 
@MooingDuck That looks more like overriding than overloading to me.
 
@ThiefMaster the quote about "sex for perl help" should be framed, though.
 
@user1690130: You have 24h to find a new place to troll. OUTSIDE the SE network of course. Maybe 4chan would like you. If you continue trolling here your next ban will be longer.
7
 
@user1690130 Hey. Where did we here that one before
 
10:47 PM
@StackedCrooked er, right. that
 
Huzzah. That was well received
 
@user1690130 You said you were sorry before, and you did not change your behavior, despite being repeatedly told what you did wrong.
 
no, Hungarian notation, originally, (back in the olden days), was to let people know the purpose of that particular variable or type... So many times you were like, What is this variable? What are its members? But with strStuff prepended, you knew how you could use that variable... no autocomplete to do it for you.
I would point to a bunch of references, but that is too old school ..
 
@EtiennedeMartel he cries "sorry" the moment he thinks someone is gullible enough to think it's sincere. Yet, he freely admits "he'll do anything to get Perl help". And, with help he means "Write teh codez for me". Ask @MooingDuck and the roach
 
we have a roach?
 
10:50 PM
@DeadMG The only woman here, of course.
 
@WindAndFlame I have never once worked on a C++ code base with completion (well, other than just Vim completion, but that's 'dumb' completion).
 
that's not a roach.
 
@DeadMG Kill it with fire.
 
@DeadMG The lady bug
 
Roach Approach!
 
10:50 PM
I got addicted to autocompletion when I started working on the J2EE spec.
 
@sehe That's a kind of grasshopper. Very different.
 
and then C#.
and PHP.
too much too remember.
 
@BartekBanachewicz @Rapptz appratz!
 
@WindAndFlame say one more goddamn bullshit, I dare you.
 
@DeadMG she goes by many names. You should understand, McWoof
 
10:51 PM
what? I only go by one name
 
@StackedCrooked (the origin of this is Starcrafts animated series; very good and shared by Blizz on Fb)
 
@DeadMG Jimmy?
 
@WindAndFlame I never got addicted to autocompletion (Intellisense-style). I di get addicted to automated refactoring in Eclipse one day. Thank god for ReSharper
 
any of you doing this?
 
@StackedCrooked Wat?
 
10:52 PM
@StackedCrooked The Rustled One
 
I am trying to get mingw working in eclipse on windows to compile a DirectX api.
 
@sehe I get addicted to the n and . buttons in Vim.
 
@JohanLarsson javascript? meh
 
not doing so swell. Trying to use CMake.
 
@sehe Ah Jimmy Rustles.
 
10:52 PM
@StackedCrooked Natasha.
 
@StackedCrooked Don't forget ;,, and fFtT
 
@sehe I don't forget :)
And macros.
 
@JohanLarsson Can we register @R.MartinhoFernandes on behalf of the Lounge?
 
@DeadMG As did many others if memory serves. Even the roach went by that same name :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have a total of two hours of js lifetime, all of it tonight coding a stupid bot for that.
 
10:53 PM
Whoa what I'd miss
 
@StackedCrooked For quick and dirties. Yeah. Vim is addictive
 
@JohanLarsson you could spend that time better forking my Js game, really :)
 
New guy got suspended?
 
@Rapptz Nothing.
 
what is a blue user?
 
10:54 PM
@Rapptz "New guy" - what misnomer for "Help Vampire"
@WindAndFlame Moderator
 
@sehe I well remember Dawn of the Living DeadMG
 
I didn't notice the drama
 
@sehe He's a sucker noob.
 
@JohanLarsson Is this Robocode JS Edition?
 
10:54 PM
even I couldn't figure out what I said
 
@sehe user1690130? I had him plonked the entire time.
 
@Rapptz Also, he got largely ignored despite repeated attempts to create turmoil. Then he picked offense with a random message, flagging for a moderator. BIG MISTAKE :)
@Rapptz Who hadn't
 
the people replying to him.
 
Actually, looking at the sample code, it is Robocode, JS Edition.
Fucking identical.
 
@EtiennedeMartel looks like it, ty for the link I prefer C#
 
10:55 PM
@Rapptz Well, I can mentally plonk. Yesterday, that failed. But then again, everyone did, so my plonk wouldn't actually have secured order in the universe lounge
 
@JohanLarsson Robocode is a really old project.
I think it predates C#.
 
Today, things went really well with a combined plonking effort. Cheers to the loungers
 
old as in not active anymore?
 
user142019
I thought of some new ideas for Zoidlang.
 
@Zoidberg A porn keyword?
 
10:57 PM
@JohanLarsson Pretty much.
 
user142019
Haha just reserve a keyword porn but don't do anything with it.
 
Ell
you should make ub do truly crazy things
 
pointer to orn
 
@EtiennedeMartel It says Newest version: 1.8.0.0 (Wed, 30 Jan 2013) though, sounds pretty recent.
 
Ell
actually if you can detect it, it's not ub is it?
 
user142019
10:58 PM
Anyway, I'm largely inspired by C#, Haskell and CoffeeScript. :3
 
@Rapptz Oh oh.
 
user142019
@Ell it is.
 
From what I've seen, FightCode is not as advanced in terms of features as Robocode.
 
@Rapptz I like my foresight here: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=7497883#7497883 - that was seconds after I even entered the room. I'm ashamed to admit I spot them that well
 
user142019
char xs[42];
xs[42] = 64; // easily detectable UB; clang issues warning
 
10:59 PM
@StackedCrooked 'lpornContents' :)
 
user142019
porn {
    // sexy code in here
}
 
@Zoidberg unsafe { /* already implemented in C# */ }
 
lporn? long pointer to orn?
 

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