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user142019
9:00 PM
@sehe plonk.
 
A huge pile of ugly shit.
 
@sehe the ! denotes excitement
 
@Zoidberg you're right
 
@doug65536 guess what!
 
@sehe It's a devil in disguise.
 
9:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll try to point it at my code.
 
Anyone know if the source is available for this chat app?
 
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Hereby I declare 1690130 to be dividable only by 1690130 and 1.
 
@Ebalders probably as a part of SE
@Zoidberg wat?
 
@Zoidberg What about 2 and 5?
 
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@FredOverflow not anymore mate.
 
9:01 PM
Feb 1 at 20:54, by sehe
user1690130 - does it count when a user name is comprised of a prime number and it's square, separated by 0s?
^
I called it
 
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user1690130 is troll so 1690130 is prime number.
 
@Ebalders The JavaScript is on your browser. The backend is closed.
 
@Zoidberg i am humn
human
 
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@sehe wat een toeval.
 
9:02 PM
it's 22:00 now. I still have like 4 hours of this day. great
 
If I were to win the lottery I'd buy a coverity license.
 
@Zoidberg Ik heb er een zintuig voor
 
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@sehe Niet zinnig.
 
@StackedCrooked Eric Lippert works there now.
 
9:03 PM
Who is he?
 
Sigh
 
is the intel compiler really /that/ good?
 
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Yo momma.
 
@StackedCrooked Ex-member of the C# compiler team at Microsoft.
 
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@WindAndFlame It's a C++ compiler so no.
 
9:03 PM
Ah.
 
@WindAndFlame depends on what you call good
 
I am using the MS Visual Studio CTP version, and it sucks.
Nov CTP version.
 
the CTP is just that- a CTP.
 
@WindAndFlame It's not a compiler.
 
9:03 PM
it's not supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
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OTP <3
 
inte's compiler checks for a genuineintel cpu and if not detected, it branches to unoptimized code paths
 
they used to be ahead on optimizing for Intel CPUs, in combination with their concurrency/maths libraries
Not (significantly) anymore, though
 
oooooooh
 
@doug65536 that's not true, at least not now.
 
9:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz check their website
 
It's a shame that there are no torrents for coverity.
 
@WindAndFlame Best code generation in x86, or so I heard.
 
@doug65536 hrm, hrm, "their" website?
 
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@StackedCrooked create one and problem solved.
 
so, if there was something specific, I could compile a lib with intel, or whatever, then a diferent compiler for a different lib for AMD?
 
9:04 PM
Intel?
 
@EtiennedeMartel As long as you're using an Intel CPU.
that shit should be illegal.
 
@DeadMG Hmmm.
 
@doug65536 please take a look at my profile
 
@EtiennedeMartel Also, dated I think
 
@Zoidberg Genius! :D
 
9:05 PM
@DeadMG Do you have AMD stuff?
 
AMD doesn't exist right now anyway
 
no, and hardly anybody does anymore
 
@sehe Yeah, I heard that a while ago.
 
but it isn't going to change if Intel pull that anticompetitive shit all over again.
 
@BartekBanachewicz They're focusing on embedded, IIRC.
 
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9:05 PM
I had an AMD at work last summer.
 
people who use apps do. So, having an optimized shared library for 32 64 intel/amd
and arm
 
Well, intel proved that x86 fits embedded even better than ARM right now
 
ok, well I couldn't care less what their compiler does now. they pull that anticompetitive bullshit and they're not getting my money
 
@doug65536 it's not like NVidia didn't do it
 
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x86 is PHP.
 
9:06 PM
@WindAndFlame It uses the EDG front-end, which is about as good as it gets for C++ conformance. Intel does seem to know how to generate good code for their chips (big surprise) so it produces very good code (especially for floating point).
 
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It's a mess.
 
@doug65536 echo chamber :)
 
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But somehow it kinda works.
 
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:P
 
x86 is still the best architecture right now
 
9:06 PM
thanks @JerryCoffin
 
> The cost listed in this 2006 article is $50,000 for 500,000 lines of code.
 
@BartekBanachewicz best bang for the buck. Best architecture? Really? Come on :)
 
@sehe name better one...
 
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@StackedCrooked Reminds me of something funny.
 
Speaking of money, I am getting awesome at German. No the two are not related. Just random biased unsubstantiated bragging.
 
user142019
9:07 PM
Teacher said he once worked on a 100 kLOC code base. But it was in Java so it still doesn't say anything.
 
kinda of a weird tangent... I have been playing with CMake to try to get out of the VIsual Studio IDE, (for dynamically generating make files for nested code and header structures)... is this the better way?
 
Concatenate!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Best for what?
 
@WindAndFlame it's also a bit faster for me (faster compilation)
 
@BartekBanachewicz I know i86 carries a lot of baggage. I'm not into CPU design, but I know better designs have just failed commercially
 
9:08 PM
@JerryCoffin workstations, servers, tablets and cell phones
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mal proben
 
@BartekBanachewicz you mean CMake?
 
@WindAndFlame ICC
 
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You need 100 kLOC of Java to print "Hello, world!".
 
9:09 PM
@Zoidberg You might be slightly exaggerating, kid.
 
@Zoidberg no exaggeration whatsoever
 
@sehe well, apparently they weren't better. Of course you can make a better prototype. But now, put that into production
 
@BartekBanachewicz ARM is much better on a MIPS/watt basis. IA64 and SPARC are better on a MIPS/MHz basis. x86 mostly wins on a "we've dumped more money into it than anybody else" basis.
 
Surfaces have awesome battery times.
 
@JerryCoffin there's no ARM with tri-gates right now. And x86 Atom is more powerful and takes less power than best Quallcoms
 
9:10 PM
Can you feel the sarcasm on that message?
 
@BartekBanachewicz And you think tri-gates is related to architecture how?
 
@JerryCoffin never seen MIPS as a unit before
 
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@Zoidberg It's three plus braces.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never would have guessed.
@MooingDuck Really? I thought it was nearly the most over-used unit in all of computing.
 
9:11 PM
@JerryCoffin That there are no ARMs with tri-gate right now. So even if theoretically they are better, no chance to prove it ATM
 
@BartekBanachewicz Still missing the point. How do you think gates relate to architecture? [answer: they don't]
 
Really, speculating on how powerful or energy-efficient ARM unit with tri-gates can be is just... speculation
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes needs more factories and singletons.
 
@JerryCoffin that's very cool. I think we should compare CPUs based on the number of their legs, not speed
 
@JerryCoffin Eh. People care about MIPS per $. I don't care about my CPU's clock speed and I don't really care that much about the wattage. Not to mention that it doesn't matter how many MIPS you have if it's not backwards compatible with x86.
 
9:13 PM
You care about wattage in a mobile device, other than that, all true
 
I think most people care about battery times.
 
my desktop doesn't run on a battery.
 
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Your desktop isn't a mobile device.
 
@DeadMG Power use matters quite a bit for laptops, and a lot in cell phones. Backward compatibility matters a lot for desktops, little for servers, and hardly at all for cell phones.
 
@JerryCoffin ARM architecture is better and cool and ... except there are no units utilizing it.
 
9:14 PM
@DeadMG Oh, we were discussing which architecture is better for DeadMG. I missed that part.
 
CISC!
*cough
 
I never suggested any such thing.
 
sorry, getting old.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Say what? The last time I checked, ARM outsold every other architecture on the planet.
 
no one remembers those debates, eh?
 
9:15 PM
all I'm saying is that it's hard to say "x86 wins because Intel pushed in the most money!" when the other "winners" win on factors which are irrelevant to a vast number of users.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You said the best architecture. Not the best commercially available product :)
 
@JerryCoffin well, I mean, utilizing it so it actually beats x86
@sehe that was wrong indeed.
 
Love it
 
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@BartekBanachewicz It beats it in the commercial department, then. In units sold.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Beats it at what? Let's consider the other direction for a moment. How many x86-based cell phones get better battery life than ARM-based cell phones?
 
@StackedCrooked neither do i! w can be fiends :)
 
The Flash/Reader folks must not be using Coverity
 
@sehe okay. It's like saying android beats iOS because of number of units sold. Oh come on!
 
much better with pepperoni thanks
 
9:16 PM
@user1690130 Not sure..
 
@JerryCoffin pretty much every one. Atoms are more energy efficient that any ARM on the market right now.
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
@user1690130 You do realize it's a fuck friend matching service, right?
 
What ritual do you perform to become a part of fienddom?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shit, missed the typo and the joke.
 
9:17 PM
It's like poking.
 
@EtiennedeMartel for perl help . . .
 
that chick in the picture probably isn't signed up with them either
 
i'll be lot of people' friends
 
@BartekBanachewicz What "every one" are you talking about? If you're going to talk about products instead of architecture, then let's hear an actual model of cell phone.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?! you get your story straight. First you state the architecture is unsurpassed. Ahem. Then you correct it and add the 'commercial success factor' into the mix. I mean, fair enough to look at the competition then. They also have commercially successful chips. I know there's a difference, but hey
 
9:18 PM
@user1690130 Do you know what a fuck friend is?
 
@EtiennedeMartel yes
i think
 
@JerryCoffin Duh. There are no phones different just by the processor. So let's look at the CPU. The CPU delivers more power for less energy. Now what else do you really want?
 
@user1690130 "Friends with benefits"
 
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This is what happens when Java runs out of memory.
 
9:19 PM
One of those benefits is sexual intercourse.
 
I've never heard of any Atom design that consumed less than "substantially more" than a performance-competitive ARM chip.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yes, i will be friend for perl benefits
 
@Zoidberg Two JVMs, one cup?
 
@DeadMG 30% less power consumption, IIRC
 
i will give ex fo perl help
if thta is legl
 
9:20 PM
Service announcement: Please don't type Perl on the chat.
 
@user1690130 please try to spell a little better, I can't tell what you're saying
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Service announcement: Please don't type Perl on the chat. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
 
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Perl.
 
So you know.
 
@MooingDuck my keyboard is not working well.
 
9:21 PM
@MooingDuck you know, please stop trying to comprehend. You know better
 
@MooingDuck He's ready to give sex for Perl help.
 
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$message =~ s/Perl/Java/;
 
That's how deep his vampirism goes.
 
@EtiennedeMartel you said the P word!
 
@user1690130 I'm a room owner, I do what I want to do.
 
user142019
9:22 PM
I wish every language had an s// operator.
 
@Zoidberg C# has. Except it's a method on System.String.
 
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Hmm. std::string& operator s///(std::string&, std::string const&, std::string const&)
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, it's a method on System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex.
 
@EtiennedeMartel can we plese make a qubecois room?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, forgot s// matches regexes.
@user1690130 No.
 
9:24 PM
DERP.
What else!?
 
@Zoidberg Still, the point is: why have language support when you can have library support?
 
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SYNTAX :D
 
@Zoidberg You still have much to learn, young lobster.
 
@EtiennedeMartel for the record, never say that americans are ignorant to canada or french canada. i showed interest in learning.
 
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In C++ it may be possible with overloading / and using it with Boost.Spirit xD.
 
9:25 PM
@user1690130 I don't recall saying that.
 
@user1690130 amazing. when did you stop that nobel attitude?
 
@EtiennedeMartel you did not. i'm saying never as in never now or from thi point forward
 
@Zoidberg interesting thought. totally doable.
 
@sehe stop?
 
@user1690130 I don't like stereotypes anyway. I sometimes joke about how the French are all snobbish wankers, but that's about it (and even then, it's inexact: only people in Paris are like that).
 
9:27 PM
@MooingDuck Nope.
 
@user1690130 "you showed interest in learning". Somehow you went from that to "gimme teh codez; I want to leech site XXX.com and I don't know how to"
 
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<<french>> stereotype.
 
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inb4 bin because UML.
 
@EtiennedeMartel je veux apprendre quebecois
 
@MooingDuck Almost done: Boost Xpressive
 
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9:28 PM
 
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lol
 
@user1690130 And I'm not interested in "teaching" you such a vague subject, considering I have better things to do.
 
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@sehe Boost.Perl!
 
@sehe parce que e veux apprendre quebecois
 
@user1690130 'u veut l'apprendre' - lolsic
 
9:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes no? oh wait, of course not
 
@EtiennedeMartel je deja connais un peu
 
Is there a way to make an #ifndef ... #endif to disable asserts on machines with ATI cards? The CUDA assertions are tripping and it's annoying.
 
@sehe ?
 
@user1690130 I mocked your French typo in French. C'est rien
 
@user1690130 No, you want to leech. You sit there, asking for people to feed you with random facts and information, without giving anything in return.
3
 
user142019
9:30 PM
@Borgleader Yes.
 
@sehe s/veut/veux
 
@EtiennedeMartel damn
 
seriously
 
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If you compile on that machine and #define something if ATI card.
 
how have you guys not plonked that guy yet?
 
user142019
9:30 PM
I have.
 
@EtiennedeMartel nobody sks me nything
 
@user1690130 You ask too many questions.
 
yesterday, by user1690130
i will do anything to get help
 
@sehe yes
 
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Even suck my dick? Well, you're not allowed to since it'd be rape.
 
9:31 PM
^ that's an apt defintion
 
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lol @ flag
 
@user1690130 Read this, and then tell me if it rings any bell.
 
@sehe will you quote me on that in tomorow too?
 
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lol @ flag 2
 
@user1690130 Including claiming you're cute because you want to learn "Quebecois"... Get out
 
user142019
9:32 PM
inb4 Tim
 
:7580132i never said I was cute
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, mostly I want you to pin down what you're really saying. You start by claiming that the architecture is better, but then jump from that to a design feature that's related to products, not the architecture. Based on that, I asked for an actual product -- and then you decide to go to simple hand-waving. So, first question is whether you're really talking about architecture, fabrication, processor, or end-use product (e.g., cell phone)? Second is how you plan to support your claims?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Obviously, no. It's irrelevant to him. True help vampires are sociopaths. They don't care. They just continue pushing buttons till they get response. ANY response. If they can appear "nice, agreeable" - fine. If it turns sour, fine as well.
 
Is that user on the MiniFame already?
 
@user1690130 No, I'm exposing the real reason for your camaraderie. Touche-pas!
@R.MartinhoFernandes Epsolootly
 
9:34 PM
@sehe no you are wrong. i really want to learn quebecois. if nobody wants to discuss that here. that is fine. i will go on fine.
 
@user1690130 people don't want to discuss that here.
 
@user1690130 So, why are you here? Oh wait, honesty is not on the menu, I suppose
 
@Zoidberg Cool. I'll keep looking for it then.
 
@MooingDuck i get it. moving on from the q-word
@sehe i'm here for the p-word.
 
@user1690130 we don't want to talk about that either here.
 
user142019
9:36 PM
My next computer will be a Mac.
 
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inb4 I'm an idiot.
 
we're not doing the p-word here. i hvaen't been dicsuing the p-word here anymore.
i even call it the p-word becuse i've been sked to
 
@Zoidberg I had a friend talk me into buying a macbook pro about five years ago. Worst decision of my life. And I let my wife buy a $800 cat.
 
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lol
 
Woah woah.
A what cat.
 
user142019
9:38 PM
A sacred sphinx.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes next cat is $1000, and I'll have to drive 350+ miles each way to get it.
 
Women are evil. Cats too, btw.
 
// I just realized that I could make a program that outputs its own age:
int main() { std::cout << (current_time() - get_time(__DATE__, __TIME__)); }
 
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FedEx
 
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@MooingDuck PetEx
 
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9:40 PM
Man.
 
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I have to shit but I'm not in the mood to.
 
No comments.
 
Alright, I have to admit, I talked her into buying a cat. I've always wanted two cats. But I was thinking $100 each from the local shelter, not $1800 + 700 miles.
 
So it backfried?
 
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inb4 you buy Cat Plus Plus.
 
9:41 PM
@Zoidberg First time I've seen somebody publicly admit that he was even more full of shit than usual! :-)
 
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lol
 
@Zoidberg It drinks brandy so this may become expensive over time.
 
@MooingDuck I think you may think fondly of the time when she bought you mere stars :)
 
@sehe yes :)
 
Feb 29 '12 at 2:01, by Mooing Duck
@RMartinhoFernandes my GF bought me a star and I have to name it and she's upset at me for not coming up with a name
^ just in case anyone missed that epic-sode
 
9:45 PM
I remember defusing that situation.
 
@MooingDuck You can still call the cat "Moon Duck" - maybe
 
@sehe First cat is "Ulu" and for the other we're considering "Serene".
 
Do you actually know where the star is now?
 
@MooingDuck Oh. Sadly, "Kepler Protégé" didn't make the cut either
 
Or at least its magnitude.
 
9:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was probably sold another 7 times
@R.MartinhoFernandes tits!
 
Fuck that space.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How appropriate in this context
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no idea. I can't even recall what I named it :(
@sehe probably
 
user142019
 
I have very similar cake.
 
9:49 PM
@MooingDuck You said you named it after her :( Don't tell me you forgot your wife's name :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, that sounds like something I'd do. (And yes, I remember her name)
 
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@AndreiTita SPACECAKE
 
lol ^ "Don't worry - it's discreet" :)
FB, right
 
@sehe Reminds me of the "how to draw a cat", Step1: "make a circle", Step2: "draw a fucking cat"
 
How does your mind work?
(Don't tell me)
 
9:53 PM
They're bot oversimplified processes
 
A fucking cat is harder to draw than a sleeping cat.
 
Too many cats in this room
 
In both cases you're skipping way too many steps for the sake of making the graphic/steps funny
 
What do you have against bots :(
 
Nothing, I like bots!
 
9:55 PM
^ explanation accepted
> Intel TSX implements two instruction-set interfaces: HLE (Hardware Lock Elision) and RTM (Restricted Transactional Memory). HLE can be used to add transaction hints to existing code paths, while RTM allows control of the transactions directly and the use of software abort handlers. HLE refers to the specific instruction prefixes, while lock elision is a more general concept that can be also implemented with RTM. RTM requires new code paths as new instructions are used.
That's interesting stuff. C++17/2x should exploit these here
 
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@Borgleader ooold
 
one specific hardware vendor's instruction set?
maybe when they become universal
 
@DeadMG Damn you're predictable :)
 
I spent way too long bitching with Committee members over the past few months
 
> Intel has announced "Intel Transactional Synchronization Extension" (Intel TSX) for the upcoming Haswell CPU core. TSX supports memory transactions in hardware to improve their performance and make them practical. IBM has also announced similar extensions.
 
9:57 PM
@MooingDuck Wait, you paid for a cat?
 
it'd have to be AMD and ARM too
 
All the cats I had in my life, I simply rescued them.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No. He got mugged and the perp left a cat behind.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah
 
@Zoidberg Who cares, I'm explaining my thought process. Read the damn chat.
 

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