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2:16 PM
holy shit
I'm working on Wide, and this is one hell of a Jesus-fucking mess.
 
I wonder who wrote it.
 
nah
it's mostly because of Clang
I have to have an LLVM type, and then a separate Clang type for every TU.
 
Oh, sure, blame the lib.
 
except now I think it might actually work.
if my balls turn out to be sufficiently massive
 
oh, puppy's on a roll again
 
2:22 PM
also, not having Starcraft 2 to distract me helps
 
Spoiler: they aren't.
 
and you can't go backwards from LLVM type to Clang type, to boot.
 
man this C++ code looks so much like C#, almost forget it's C++
 
Yesterday I did some C++/CLI.
 
2:24 PM
eeek
 
That shit is so verbose, it's not even funny.
I can't even make fun of it.
 
and that ^ for their pointer types
so fugly
 
That's not so bad.
Why would it be any worse than * or &?
 
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Spoiler: they aren't.
 
@EtiennedeMartel BECAUSE YES
 
2:26 PM
No, what I dislike is that all the cool syntactic sugar I take for granted when writing C# is suspiciously unavailable when writing C++/CLI. It's like one step up from writing CIL by hand.
 
I also discovered something remarkable
I actually kinda like the newest Linkin Park album.
 
oh
I haven't listened to their new album
I didn't really like it when they changed style a few years ago
 
didn't really approve of Minutes to Midnight or Thousand Suns
heh, same.
 
@DeadMG they're still a thing?
 
@thecoshman Monnneeyyyy
 
2:28 PM
what's "a thing"?
 
@thecoshman they're a band
 
They're still pretentious as fuck.
 
eh
they make music I enjoy (again)
don't care about the rest
 
@TonyTheLion really? I always thought it was a condition
 
@thecoshman 0xfffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
 
2:30 PM
is this what they normally sound like now? Generic Club music?
 
@EtiennedeMartel really? You think that?
I didn't find that
 
Look at them.
 
I can't head bang to that shit
 
They're like "We're cool"
 
hmmmm
 
2:30 PM
"Too cool for you"
 
I think that's what you're imagining
 
@EtiennedeMartel were ftfy
 
Technically speaking if I have an ssh connection and a valid ftp connection, can I install ruby and ruby on rails over a Linux server that does not have one pre installed?
 
@DeadMG this is still pussy music
 
2:31 PM
They're skilled, but they only make cheezy pop stuff for teens.
 
I don't like it
@EtiennedeMartel TIL puppy is a teen :P
 
hmm
I kinda like it, but there's always a couple tracks in any album you don't like as much as the others
 
Check this. This is good.
 
Thanks anyway
 
2:33 PM
No problem
 
@EtiennedeMartel ¬_¬ my hopes fell very hard when I saw 'radio head'
 
What has two +'s and doesn't give a crap?
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's rather bad.
 
Lounge<C++>
 
@TonyTheLion Cat?
 
2:34 PM
lolol
 
why we need TB HDDs; backing up? copy ALL THE FILES!
 
@EtiennedeMartel it was good until he started singing. Then pretty much sucks
 
@DeadMG One of the best musical acts in the world, and you say "that's rather bad"?
 
@DeadMG that too
 
You guys.
 
2:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel that's pretty much overstatement
 
@EtiennedeMartel Seriously, that guy can't sing for shit, and there's no appreciable music at all.
 
@EtiennedeMartel hardly
 
@EtiennedeMartel Follows long list of reasons why it sucks horribly.
 
@DeadMG What the fuck
 
2:34 PM
I mean, you can say what you like about Linkin Park, but they do actually play a number of instruments loudly enough to be clearly heard.
 
lol, "can't sing for shit"
 
that's true.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's pretty much when I realized he doesn't know shit about singing.
 
I mean it's personal taste et all, but the guy sings terribly.
 
@TonyTheLion Try this instead.
 
2:35 PM
How does he sing terribly? He's in key the whole fucking time.
 
Radiohead just isn't my thing
 
@TonyTheLion See? This I can understand.
 
@DeadMG well posting Linkin Park as a response isn't much wiser either :) But I agree this part is a lot better
 
@EtiennedeMartel Firstly, I can't fucking hear what it is he's singing. It's just "aaaaaaaaaaaaaa" in very high key.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ooooh, there's your problem; you were expecting a decent reason from it
 
2:36 PM
secondly, it's hard to be in key with virtually nonexistent music.
 
@DeadMG sounds like an apt description for muse
 
Anyway, the only band which vocals I like is Ayreon. Other than that, it's instrumental all the way
 
Cannibal Corpse FTW
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Wrong emphasis, should've been on "I".
 
@TonyTheLion indeed
 
2:37 PM
:)
 
@Xeo Well that's my emphasis :P How can it be wrong?
 
my mine criteria is volume
 
s/mine/main/
 
@Xeo actually, that emphasis still works.
 
my main criteria is metal
2
 
2:38 PM
@TonyTheLion yeah, loud :P
 
heheh
 
@thecoshman metal != loud
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
metal == MOTHERFUCKING LOUD (just kidding, of course)
 
2:39 PM
@TonyTheLion melodic trash death or blast beast trance black metal?
 
The only metal I like is Tool. So there you go.
 
@BartekBanachewicz good metal == goatfucking loud
 
vegetarian progressive grindcore
 
Oh god. What is happening.
 
@thecoshman I'm not much a trash metal fan, however death metal and melodic death metal and some other things, yes
 
2:40 PM
@TonyTheLion actually, I was being silly, but sure thing :P
 
Anyway, gotta get to work.
 
Xeo
I'm really not listening to much vocal music lately.
 
@EtiennedeMartel To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that one song, but yeah twas funny when he said that.
 
@Xeo that's great
 
@thecoshman you silly man
 
2:40 PM
I find once to start to use more then two words to put music into a genre you are doing it wrong
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Mostly because most Touhou remixes are non-vocal. :D
 
@TonyTheLion death or black (not silly this time) (well, a little)
 
Xeo
1 1/2h in already.
 
@Xeo anime shit?
 
2:41 PM
lol
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Touhou.
 
whatever that means
 
Xeo
It's a game series.
 
Confession bear: I star every message on the starboard of people who insult themselves.
 
@Xeo Sweet fuck, I don't think I have music this long. Maybe Thick as a brick, but that's only 44 minutes.
 
2:42 PM
@Xeo oooh, anime shit?
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel It's not a single song, lol.
 
@Borgleader You suck.
 
@TonyTheLion s/You/I/ and you get a star
 
@tony could be good, but needs more work me thinks
 
2:42 PM
lol
 
@Borgleader Everyone does. It's part of the Loungiquette.
 
@Borgleader you don't want to be tony, he's broken
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel I think the longest Touhou arrange I currently have is ~14m
 
Anyway, I really gotta go.
 
I appreciate people trying new things... but synths just don't work in death metal
 
2:44 PM
See y'all in 30 minutes.
Oh, and this.
 
Xeo
See ya
 
@thecoshman how'd you know I'm broken?
 
@EtiennedeMartel jamiroqai, long time no listened
 
@TonyTheLion seen you hobbling along XD
 
2:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yay, YouCompleteMe with clang support using Ubuntu libclang1 from ppa. This appears to be feasible. Not bad. Not bad.
(I'll probably end up disabling it because slow, and because I'm used to standard vim completions only, but it is nice to be able to enable this on a whim. Nice for 'exploratory mode' - SO answers, e.g.)
 
@thecoshman lol
 
SCNR
 
@thecoshman That's HARSH
 
@sehe Runs fast enough without the clang crap.
 
@sehe not really
proclaiming that we should have him put down just like a derby horse would be, that would be harsh
well... not saying it, but actually meaning it
 
user142019
2:49 PM
I'm home!
 
do we look like we give a shit?
 
physical home, or here? this ^ also aplies to down here V
 
I've created myself a github page
 
What language has constructs like "is belong to"?
 
@thecoshman maybe then all my problems will be solved? :P
 
2:50 PM
(since checking in on lounge is acceptable...)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've been looking around the ogonek codebase to try and understand it (it's gonna take me a while). I noticed in the encoding section, ascii and latin1 are practically identical in terms of interface. I'm curious why there was no inheritance?
 
@TonyTheLion depends...
 
@Borgleader The interface is meant to be shared by all encodings (it's a concept).
 
@Borgleader because inheritance OOP and it sucks
 
2:51 PM
death tends to put a serious damper on your sex life
 
@thecoshman well, that's no worse than it is now, I have no sex life.
not that's really any of your guys' business
 
@Borgleader Btw, I have been putting some docs together these last days, you might find it helpful, at least to get the interfaces. Temporary residence: persephone.rmartinho.com:8000/doc/ogonek
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok I'll take a look at it. Also correct me if I'm wrong, latin1 lacks one of the methods ascii has
 
@TonyTheLion of course it is :P
 
Public ones? I don't think so.
Btw, latin1 can't share behaviour with ASCII because of validation. ASCII will simply barf on 0x80.
@Borgleader Ah, wait, maybe you mean that ASCII has an overload with skip_validation, and latin-1 doesn't?
 
2:55 PM
Yes that one
 
That's because all byte values are valid in latin-1, so there's no need to specialize (there is never any validation to be done).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's Doxygen or did you abandon the idea of using it altogether?
 
why not just add it and have return true;?
moar consistency
 
@CatPlusPlus It's all handcrafted.
 
2:56 PM
Did you look at Sphinx?
 
@DeadMG ASCII is the odd one out here. The interface has only one function. ASCII happens to have it specialised for speed (because, well, speed is the whole point of skip_validation).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
It can even somewhat integrate with Doxygen XML output, but it's sucky integration
 
oic
 
But still, nice system
 
2:57 PM
@CatPlusPlus No. Maybe I should check it out.
 
Oh, it apparently has OOB support for C/C++ now
Dunno if there's extraction though
 
user142019
How are vtables implemented when working with multiple inheritance?
 
user142019
// For example.
struct B1 { virtual ~B1() = default; virtual void f(); }
struct B2 { virtual ~B2() = default; virtual void g(); }
struct D : B1, B2 { virtual void f() override; virtual void g() override; }
B2* d = new D();
d->g(); // How can it find the vtable pointer?
 
@thecoshman What's funny about hand-crafted docs? I think it makes for much better docs. I would like to automate a few things, but too much automation on docs is bad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes just the way you phrased it
 
user142019
3:00 PM
Or is there a table of vtable pointers?
 
who cares?
 
user142019
I do.
 
we don't, so you're done
 
@Zoidberg It's placed as the first member.
 
Table of vtables or something similar is used for virtual inheritance AFAIR
 
3:01 PM
I think they have to have multiple vtable pointers
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes but aren't there two vtables involved? One for B1 and one for B2.
 
@Zoidberg No. There is one: for D.
 
There's only one vtable in D
 
user142019
Oh of course.
 
@Zoidberg All the vptrs point to the D table.
 
3:02 PM
BTW Robot, how coupled is your library?
 
user142019
But the compiler doesn't know that d is a pointer to D; its static type is B2*.
 
Nov 16 '11 at 9:17, by R. Martinho Fernandes
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@CatPlusPlus Up it's arse.
 
(Check transcript to see the relevant code)
@CatPlusPlus What do you mean? I depend on Boost.Range, and on some bits of wheels that I ship in the repo.
 
right
 
3:04 PM
But the various components are somewhat distinct.
 
I finally realized why this shit does not make any sense whatsoever.
 
Almost everything depends on the UCD, but they don't have interdependencies.
Well, there's the fact that the UCD currently depends on text, but I have a task filed to break that.
Was that what you were asking?
 
user142019
Right, but how is the offset of the vptr of the B subobject found?
 
man, I have to figure out this 1400 line function
 
@Zoidberg Through a B* pointer.
static_cast<B*>(some_c) adjusts the pointer.
 
user142019
3:07 PM
The A subobject is no problem since it's offset zero like with single inheritance, but with multiple inheritance and polymorphism it's not known at runtime what the offset is of the B subobject.
 
@Zoidberg static_cast isn't dumb. It's that simple.
 
user142019
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nice. :P
 
When you cast to B*, you are not left with a pointer to an A.
 
user142019
I see. Thanks man.
 
Oh, Sphinx is Py2.
 
3:15 PM
Oh, and what's a POD again?
 
user142019
Plain old datatype.
 
Ahhh yeah
that should be in the newbie hints
 
@Borgleader No virtuals, no complex inheritance, no custom copies, etc. stackoverflow.com/questions/4178175/…
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So basically, the same limitations as a struct in C?
 
Not quite. You can have functions, for example. And in C++11 it's even more relaxed: the data can be private, you can add ctors as long as the default ctor and the copies are defaulted, etc. But yeah, the basic idea is that.
 
3:19 PM
HELLO WONDERFUL PEOPLE
And @Zoidberg
 
I require code units to be PODs IIRC.
That makes the implementation of the custom data structures I use easier, and seriously, WTF, non-POD code units?
 
What is the literal for short? 2s?
 
There isn't.
Oh, right, not just PODs, but integral. Yeah, no floating-point code units, bitches.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pretty much the same rules as the people writing the standard library came to with regard to elements of std::basic_string -- see, even they didn't get everything wrong!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Oh, and what's the use of the anonymous namespace in ucd_data.c++?
 
3:25 PM
@Borgleader Oh, .c++
Phew.
 
(Also, I have a "compiler" for the ducet allkeys.txt file, all I have to do is decide on the format, the parsing was rather trivial)
 
@Borgleader Well, basically, all that raw data has internal linkage. The actual interface is formed by the variables outside. I don't want to expose the arrays because that won't keep their sizes in ABI, and I want that boundary to have a stable ABI (so, e.g., you can swap with a newer DLL to update the UCD for your program without rebuilding).
The DUCET will need something similar.
 
See here bitbucket.org/martinhofernandes/ogonek/src/0ed78d1e9788/include/… how these are the only symbols exported (the OGONEK_PUBLIC macro does that)
 
3:33 PM
you're all idiots
I assume
 
no,
you're the biggest idiot of all
 
I think the ABI can already stay stable as is right now, but officially it isn't until 1.0.
 
My horse finally took care of me today. He ended up getting me to cum three times. I feel so much better ^_^
 
I still haven't figured out the best way to handle querying the aliases.
 
3:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I was hoping you had an explanation
 
@Collin Me too
 
@TonyTheLion only on the day of fucks given
 
@Collin I have no explanation for any shit that's up on Tumblr.
 
The Enumclaw horse sex case was a 2005 incident in which Kenneth Pinyan died from injuries received during anal sex with a stallion at a farm in an unincorporated area in King County, Washington, near the city of Enumclaw. He had videotaped previous sex acts with the horses and distributed them informally under the name Mr. Hands. During a July 2005 sex act, videotaped by a friend, he suffered a perforated colon and later died of his injuries. The story was reported in The Seattle Times and was one of that paper's most read stories of 2005. It was informally referred to as the "Enumcla...
 
@thecoshman there is no such day
 
3:35 PM
Why do I know these things.
 
@TonyTheLion Americans celebrate it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wonder too...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes kinky fetish?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that the "two guys one horse" thing?
 
... opposed to nom-kinky fetish...
 
3:36 PM
I'm scared to click that link
 
@TonyTheLion FWIW, there is no NSFW imagery on the page.
 
still...
also a city named Enumclaw...
it just adds to the weirdness
 
Tony's afraid he'd get sucked in and start reading all the related articles
 
enum claw {}
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes let's face it, wikipedia is NSFW
 
3:39 PM
@Collin No he's afraid he's mentionned in the related articles section
 
@Collin oh man, that would be bad.
@Borgleader erm...
 
> On February 24, 1986, the King County Council passed Council Motion 6461 five votes to four setting forth the historical basis for the renaming of King County in honor of Martin Luther King, Jr. Because only the state can charter counties, this change was not made official until April 19, 2005, when Washington Governor Christine Gregoire signed Senate Bill 5332 into law.
The more you know.
 
@thecoshman I made an effort to be unambiguous in what I said (i.e. "NSFW imagery" and "on the page")
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean, the way it distracts you enlessly
 
TVTropes is worse for a distraction
actually this lounge is the bane of my existence :P
 
3:42 PM
@TonyTheLion it's also shit :P
 
@Borgleader So, the criteria for the format are: array of PODs; use initializer_list for any members that would be "arrays of unknown size". Then you just define an ABI in the same style (pointer + size) with some extern OGONEK_PUBLIC, and write neat wrapper functions that operate on that ABI and provide a high-level interface instead of pointer/size pairs.
 
visited 591 days, 270 consecutive
oh god
 
I have 1211
 
@LuchianGrigore damn, I can never seem to get past 50 without missing a sunday or something
 
I think I'll use namespace versioning like the stdlibs do too, but that can be easily added later (but should be there on v1).
 
3:45 PM
@CatPlusPlus consecutive?
 
Nah
I've missed like 10
 
And btw, thanks for the effort :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what do you mean?
 
Looks like Atwood is working on chat++.
On of the promised features is: Search that actually works
 
@CatPlusPlus impressive, only 10
 
3:48 PM
@StackedCrooked Looks interesting
 
@thecoshman namespace std { inline namespace __1 { class string; /* it's a template, but let's pretend it isn't for a while */ } }
 
@StackedCrooked It's a forum
 
It reminds me of Google Wave for some reason. I feel skeptical.
 
It appears the next Xbox will not allow used games.
 
And TBH it looks like any other forum
 
3:50 PM
@thecoshman That makes std::string be exported as std::__1::string. If they break the ABI, they up the namespace to __2, and the old binaries won't link with the new ones (because now there is a ``std::__2::string` but no std::__1::string anymore), i.e. you know when your code would break.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Same thing as the PS4
Ebgames is gonna take a hit
 
Maybe consoles will finally die
 
I hate this attitude from game companies that we're merely renting a licence rather than buying a tangible product
 
@StackedCrooked So they made chat search crappy on purpose so Jeff can use that as a selling point?
 
3:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus Consoles wont die, but it might kill all those "season pass" bullshit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.
 
Yes, disallowing reselling is really the best way to go
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm starting to think you were raped by a console when you were young and now you're hell bent on revenge.
 
@CatPlusPlus bin
 
so if Life is a container of time, then Life.end() is the return value of the death() function.
 
3:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus 60$ boxed AAA titles are dying anyway.
 
I'm surprised by the choice for Ruby though.
 
ASP.NET doesn't sell
Too platform-restrictive :v
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm not saying its the way to go. All I'm saying is season passes were invented to counteract the used-game sales. If you kill that then there is no need for the season passes.
 
I don't even know what to say
 
then don't say anything
 
3:55 PM
@CatPlusPlus I would have expected Python then.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, requiring a Windows box kinda kills the potential.
 
What potential
 
It kills everything.
 
If I wanted to use C# for webdev I wouldn't even think about using ASP
 
But I heard that mono works just fine.
 
3:56 PM
@EtiennedeMartel that backwards currency thing you funny people is surprisingly grating
 
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU "Only in the US"
 
Exam incoming fuuuu
 
I had "web systems" course this semester
And there were ASP.NET assignments
 
And tehres loads of people around meee nooooo
 
WebForms is probably even worse than PHP frameworks
 
3:57 PM
@thecoshman Wut?
 
@EtiennedeMartel writing 60$ rather then $60
 
@CatPlusPlus I had assignments with Lift, in Scala: worst documentation EVER
 
@CatPlusPlus Take a look at MVC.
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't think Jeff would use WebForms.
 
I spent few hours trying to get those ~controls~ to work properly when styled with Bootstrap
 
3:58 PM
@thecoshman That's because we say "60 dollars", so we write "60$".
3
We don't say "dollars 60".
 
^ This
 
@EtiennedeMartel Lies. You say "60 bucks"
 
@EtiennedeMartel Eh, it's not an interesting technology in any way
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I usually say "60 piastres".
 
@EtiennedeMartel we say a lot of things that we don't type. phonetics is not the answer everythnig
 
3:59 PM
@ScottW Then why do you Americans insist on having dates in MM-DD-YYYY format?
 
Lightweight frameworks in Python manage to be much better than ASP.NET even though they don't as much
 

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